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    8 minutes ago, jetsu said:

    The preview ... did anyone see Jung's new hair do? it looks like So's earlier style and the mask kiss with Soo ... it can't be Jung right? I really hope that I'm wrong. Please not Jung. 

     

    I hope you are wrong too.. but i had this suspicion since the beginning.....

    On a separate note, in the ep 17 preview, it seems that HS and WS remain devoted to each other despite him finally becoming king... I honestly don't know how they will write the C ending into this and make it believable. ...... it doesn't feel realistic to separate them in the next 4 episodes when they have survived 16 episodes of trials and tribulations... the way they wrote the relationship, it seems like they would be strong enough to survive what will happen to CR. I really wonder what event it will be to separate them, i hope it is different from C version and i am still completely in denial about everything...

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    i would like to clarify something...
    In ep 14, the subtitles implied that WS had already married his niece. But his hair does not change to that of a married man.

    I am not sure, as i may have misread the subtitles, is he married or not? or was his niece just promised to him as a second wife and he is not yet married? i hope the niece comes back in later episodes cause i like LJG's rapport with children, so cute!

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    after reading the forum i am starting to have so many theories!

    since many of you have shared that the roles in MLSHR will be reversed compared to BBJX, KG will be the one to decree HS and WJ's wedding, i am wondering....

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    if thats the case will WS die first? and HS fail to see him one last time because of a misunderstanding? 

    ok not really a spoiler, just speculation. it seems the ending of this drama is very closely guarded, there are no stills of what happens after WS becomes king (except for the visions and the WS & YW getting married pictures), so it makes me believe that the ending is maybe going to be very different from C version and the PD wants to surprise us? I really hope so!

    I am doubtful for a modern day meeting between WS and HS at the end; somehow it feels like it won't happen cause LJG had to grow his hair out long for this role and he cut it immediately after the shoot ended. not sure if they will show a long hair WS in the future. also LJG's last scene was the scene where he rode horses with his army of four back from Khitan (according to a pic in his IG), so if they indeed film the couple meeting in the future, i guess it would be shot right at the very beginning (but i also doubt that since LJG's first scene with IU was when she delivered lunch to him and her hair colour was already black - Ha Jin had brown hair).. hmmm i cannot figure this out. 

    Also, LJG posted this picture in his IG : 

     

    is it me, or it doesn't look like him? more like ji soo? 

    lastly, my other hypothesis for why LJG does not appear in modern clothes is because i feel he might return to the future and meet GO Ha Jin at a different age. When the little boy was drowning, the homeless guy (aka ji mong) did nothing on purpose, forcing HJ to jump in to save the little boy, so i am even thinking that the little boy IS  the reincarnation of WS, and HJ will become the mother figure he never had. so many theories my mind palace is gonna explode soon.

     

     

    So if you managed to read all the hidden text, i think you will still not know how the drama is going to end, but one thing you'll know for sure is that I HAVE OFFICIALLY BECOME A CRAZY PERSON. 

    I think i am going to quit tv for a while after this drama. Don't think i have the strength to internet after this.

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    I realised the drama has a tendency to show us a strong episode, followed by a weaker one. 

    Its just my opinion, but I was really quite bored with Episode 15; it seems episodes that drive the plot forward tend to fall flat, while episodes that tip toe cautiously around the main narrative like ep 14 are the real gems. I guess the director had to make do with a trade off due to budget constraints and the 20 episode limit. 

    can't help but rewatched ep 14 and i have to say i really liked the effort that the director made to enhance these 2 key scenes (boat scene and kiss scene). I wanted to share some of my observations here. I have used some of the images posted earlier in the forum from other users, sorry for not quoting your names properly, i will when i take the time to scroll back through the many many interesting posts in this forum (goodness, the forum is moving at light speed these days!) 
     

    1) boat scene 
    the characters are on a boat floating on a clear lake. However, as they spoke to each other, their faces are obscured by the sunlight. This is to signify that although the situation is already clear (Wang So has already decided to marry his niece and let go of Hae Soo, Hae Soo has already chosen to accept Wang So by wearing the hairpin) the characters feel internal turmoil again when they meet each other face to face. (although the clear lake could also represent how both now understand the love they had for each other with clarity, their feelings for each other are pure, untainted and undisturbed despite circumstances) 

    Neither could see each other's faces clearly in this scene because both are behaving dishonestly to each other in order to conceal the internal turmoil they feel, so their expressions are also obscured by the sunlight. Wang So is smiling and acting mischievously despite feeling the weight of his loss. Hae Soo is acting nonchalantly when in fact she is actually shocked by how disappointed she is and how much she values his words to her. 

    vlcsnap-2016-10-10-23h01m13s549_zpszmlr0 

     

    2) honest kiss scene
    The characters are surrounded by flora and fauna. Both portray an agitated exterior (both Hae soo and Wang so are openly expressing anger to each other), but their eyes are wells of clear reflection, signifying that although the exterior portrays turmoil, the interior is calm and resolved as both have finally decided to face each other truthfully. 

    This is where the director choses to place the kiss scene, despite being the less romantic scenario of the two. 

    REFLECTION.jpg

    I really like the artistic integrity that the director has imposed upon the series, I hope i will be able to notice more things in the future episodes and share with everyone when i have the chance as i feel many viewers may not like the drama because they tend to overlook the hidden gems this series has to offer! I honestly feel that MLSHR should be viewed as a work of art, rather than just a drama serial acted out by pretty faces playing for the popularity stakes. 

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    Even though i was one of the people who gave the writer flack for the handling of WS and HS's relationship, i have to say in ep 14 she wrapped things up in a very efficient yet meaningful manner. with just a few short interactions & barely half an episode's worth of screen time, the script managed to portray how profound and abyssal their devotion to each other was. 

    The boat ride was a pleasant surprise, i know korean dramas like to portray the OTPs going on dates but this scene was on another level altogether; the man did not buy things for the woman (i.e. clothes, its ALWAYS clothes for some reason), there were no sweet exchanges or symbolic tokens aka tropes of k-drama superficiality (except the hairpin which was downplayed many notches since the last few episodes), the romance was entirely portrayed with dialogue and layered with complexity and sadness, from the underlying current of separation, WS's reluctant lie about forgetting what he wanted to say, to HS acknowledging but accepting not only his dishonesty (by saying she will wait for him to remember) but her own as well (loving WS but fearing to do anything for him in case it becomes harder to let go). 

    I felt the aftermath of WS's marriage was really well handled as well, instead of using it as a plain narrative arch to make HS hasten her feelings towards WS, it added more dimensions to both HS and WS's character. So far the series has portrayed HS as holier than thou, righteous without fault, but this scene exposed her weakness to the viewers as well as to the character herself; when she received the poem, she lamented about not really knowing as much as she should about WS. Although she said she would wait patiently, she was angry at him for the marriage and eventually pressured him to express his feelings outrightly in the scene before they kissed.

    Before this episode, WS was portrayed as ignorant and brutish, having not known the difference between friendship and love. But over the past few episodes, we as viewers, as well as HS, get a glimpse of the clarity and still running stream beneath the turbulent exterior; that he is a man of depth, knowledge, strength of character and boundless compassion and love. Prior to this, I always got the feeling that HS thought she has a better moral compass and level of character compared to WS, but in this episode, she finally realises how much he has caught up to be worthy of her, as well as her own ignorance and weaknesses, and I believe it would finally compel her to do more for him in the future and fight to stay by his side. 

    Speaking of strength of character, I also liked that this week's episode gave us subtle moments of WS's unwavering disposition towards the ones he is loyal to and his pragmatic but self sacrificing approach for the greater good. Despite the CP putting him in a difficult position, he decided to sacrifice his own happiness for everyone else (similar to what happened in the poison scene) by marrying his daughter, keeping her safe in the temple. I also liked the scenes which are seemingly trivial  (him watching over the CP as he is finally able to sleep peacefully after WS decides to marry his daughter and WS telling HS that he did not regret his decision). It has shown us how strong and consistent he is, and I hope the show does not throw away this precious part of his narrative but making him change in to a possessive tyrant. I hope the writer give convincing motivations for him to eventually do what he will do, without taking away what the viewers like him for...

    I really appreciated the profound writing in this episode, but i would like to know how much of this is original and how much of this was actually from Tong Hua? do share with me if you could!

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    Offtopic-unrelated to drama please discuss JG other activities in actors threas

    7 hours ago, junejungki said:

     

    Yes, he love to cook. Dont we all love this guy? Jack of all trade.

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    before becoming an actor, he trained to be a chef. He also sings, his voice is nice but i don't really dig his genre. but he can sing Jason Mraz  songs quite accurately which is amazing cause he can't speak english and the lyrics are really fast. 

    I really hope he gets to go on 3 meals a day cause NJH is hosting the latest season.

     

     

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    7 minutes ago, shiraru said:

     

    *sigh*

    On the positive note, I like how the game of thrones are started, the action scenes are done so well! All of them looked so cool, but I kinda wish to see Wang Yo who fights Wang So instead of Wang Wook. I mean, the power hungry one is Wang Yo, right? Wang Wook is just an 'ally' to him. Although yes, Wang Wook's jealousy is triggered to fight Wang So because he sees Hae Soo at the palace gate, and yes, it might be to convince Wang Yo that he is indeed on his 'side', but to have Wang Wook fighting Wang So at the Cheondeokjeon is kinda out of place for me. Wang Yo would be more fitting.

     

     

    I think in the scene WY draws his sword first and the general responded. But before they can engage in battle, WW started striking and thats when WS decided to act, i think out of obligation to his promise to HS, he rather WW fought him than the general. 

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    just rematched the fight sequence for the nth time...and I realise true to the script, WS's moves were 80% defensive.

    Which is interesting to me because LJG's skills make it look otherwise (like he was the one attacking WW instead). And also, not to bash KHN, but in the long shots, i think you can see that he was using a double, whereas LJG was not..This scene is amazing because of LJG...R.E.S.P.E.C.T.!

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    6 hours ago, riuenu said:

    New spoiler of Episode 13 is out

    Is Wook and Yo bringing an army vs So and the general...and Haesoo behinds at the pillar..I guess Haesoo went to So, informing him that..that why So is standing with the general...

    I am so waiting for the translation already...

    [선공개] 왕요와 연합해 왕소를 제거하고자 하는 왕욱… 슬픈 눈의 해수

    ttp://tvcast.naver.com/v/1152584

     

     

     

    WW's words are super lame. you want him dead you kill him yourself....

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    12 minutes ago, lavendre said:

    @chi13lou @SizzlerZ
     Yup. Why is Wang So dragged into this whole fiasco? He should have his own drama with his own leading lady who is utterly devoted to him like HaeSoo is to that Wang Wook. I usually watch the raw on Monday and Tuesday nights, but I can't be bothered with it tonight. And I am even contemplating if I should even get the DVD/Blu Ray when it comes out. 

    I honestly feel bad for Wang So. Poor dude, how many times has he been rejected in today's episode alone? I get that she is still recovering and not in the right state to accept him etc., which I can totally understand and accept from Hae Soo's POV. But to still long and miss Wook? Yikes! *facepalm*

    i'll continue watching since I have invested my heart and time into Wang So. But I won't be shipping them anymore. I am a shipper of Wang So x the throne. Go get your throne, my hot masked man! 

     

    for me its not that i dislike HS for rejecting WS, its just not believable the way she treats him, its like they are not even friends and he's just some crazy irritating stalker to her...and she accepted his cape the previous episode, what's this?! the writing didn't go below the surface of the water tonight... not feeling it at all. 

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    5 minutes ago, fengari said:

    I almost share the feeling- but I am still for So-Soo. I think that the problem is that though WS and HS are writen geniously as entirely different  characters than their homologues  characters of the chinese SH, they are trapped/bound to follow the tragic story line. I cannot explain otherwise the so-out-of-character behavior of HS (e.g: though she is resourceful and resilient, an  attribute that WS recognised/sensed very early, when she starts to have the visions, instead to do  what she usually does she runs here and there like an opera-heroine with void, blanc gaze mumbling half sentences with no sense). Anyway, my point is that I get angry when i think that such a geniously writen character like WS (there is consistency in the way it is built and performed,)  has to suffer, and be wasted, because the poor heroine HS has to fullfil the tragic fate of the c- SH.

    ps: and indeed Yeonhwa, is a very interesting character and she loves (no matter what the reason is) genuinely WS. Besides,already  when WS was a scarface pariah, she was interesting in him.This shows something about her intriguing character.

     

     

    I won't be surprised that in the end HS might have to fight with YH for WS's love. I think once WS becomes the king YH will be 100% devoted to him, honestly if the storyline is moving towards a game of thrones, then YH is the most useful character. to WS, i think she will fight fiercely for him after getting having her ambitions stomped on by lesser men such as WW and WY.   My prediction is that HS will slowly become irrelevant as the story goes on and realises her ultimate role as a silent observer and nothing more....of course she and WS might share an intense love, but that relationship is to be consummated in another time, not now (in Goryeo)

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    WHY THE NICE GUYS ALWAYS GET STABBED/POISONED/REJECTED 

    honestly again i think BK got stabbed cause they don't have to time to develop him and woohee's story so fast forward to life threatening injury.... anyway he will not die.. its unexpected but not really that interesting. 

    the only nice thing about the episode is how they finally revealed that rather than the King and JM making use of WS to help CP gain the throne, its actually the other way round, King and CP are using CP until WS is ready to ascend the throne... wow....

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    WHY THE NICE GUYS ALWAYS GET STABBED/POISONED/REJECTED 

    honestly again i think BK got stabbed cause they don't have to time to develop him and woohee's story so fast forward to life threatening injury.... anyway he will not die.. its unexpected but not really that interesting. 

    the only nice thing about the episode is how they finally revealed that rather than the King and JM making use of WS to help CP gain the throne, its actually the other way round, King and CP are using CP until WS is ready to ascend the throne... wow....

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    8 minutes ago, liddi said:

    This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion... but anyway...

    This drama. I love it... and it has hit the pinnacle (so far) in terms of emotional intensity and narrative flow. However, I cannot help but see the flaws as well, and it is now that I involuntarily start comparing it to BBJX. Wook's betrayal in the rain scene delivers an irrevocable death blow to any illusions viewers might have had in terms of who is better for Soo... yet I feel that we were very much manipulated into jumping ship, so to speak. What I loved about the original is that you will continue to see strong ships for both 4th, 8th and even 14th... exactly because there is no one person who was made to be so obviously unworthy, so that the other may shine even more. Each person loved her, and continued to love her in their own way... and ultimately it was Ruoxi's decisions that decided her path... not the other way round. Here, Soo has little to no control over her life or relationships, sought for or not... and she had to be rejected by Wook in what can only be the most callous way imaginable, so as to make way for her love for So down the road. I am truly moved by So's sacrifices time and again for Soo with no regard to his own safety, but I cannot help but feel strong-armed into doing so through clear machinations, which is beginning to annoy me, because I would have just as easily loved them together without the added necessity of painting his rival in a less than flattering light. Meanwhile, what I am really missing is the brotherhood between 4th and 13th that remained undiluted until their deaths. We see Baek Ah as an ally of both So and Soo (he's the first SoSoo shipper, I'm sure of it!)... but there is nothing that reinforces the strength of his relationship with So nor justify his camaraderie with Soo, the latter of which is merely relegated to a few seconds of flashbacks. When all is said and done, the source material is more than just a love story - it is also a moving depiction of brotherhood, the pursuit of power and domination, the subtle yet lethal political chess play, choices made for good or bad, and consequences borne. So far, I am just seeing the love story being slowly fleshed out, and little else. With only 9 episodes to go and so much ground to cover in terms of the rapidly changing political landscape, Gwangjong's ascent to the throne and what comes after, I cannot help but be anxious that the pacing will be rushed rather than measured. Please don't let it be so.

    With the footing we are at now, I truly hope that the next half of the drama alleviates the contrivances and gives us a strong finish. I do not expect nor hope for a happy ending... it may be masochistic on my part, but I think it would not quite be BBJX if it were. All I ask for, is an ending that is bittersweet and heart-searingly memorable, just as BBJX did for me.

    On the other hand... can I just gush how much I love the BTSes of MLSHR? Just as the drama itself breaks our hearts, the BTSes are a perfect fodder to all that pain, and never fails to put a goofy smile on my face. The camaraderie is so heartwarming, and it is truly wonderful to see just how much fun they had during the filming, how well they got along, which in turn makes me sad that their hard work is not appreciated as much domestically. Here's hoping their ratings show marked improvement in the 2nd half of the drama... just as it is so well loved internationally.

    Last but certainly not least, here's hoping the two versions will continue to be in sync from here on. Please.

     

    I think the production is rather typical of Korean dramas. Koreans have the "palli palli" culture, they will not wait for the story to build itself slowly and subtle so that it is rich with meaning at the end, that is why there is the usual  trope of the male or female lead injuring themselves to fast forward the intensity of the romance etc. In a way, i think MLSHR is already trying to rise above this kind of production and storytelling culture as much as it can. plus korean prime time is very expensive so its impossible for them to dwell too much on details. Which is why i always thought this drama would have been better suited for the weekend drama spot (that usually has 30 -40 episodes.)

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    1 minute ago, junejungki said:

    Yeah!!  same here. I cant pin point exactly why I loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Wang So very much. I just love him.

     cause he's hot.. after watching the preview, i can't help but think WW got BURNT! haha

    But one thing does not make sense to me, why did WS give WW evidence to prove HS's innocence? if WW did not deliver, why did WS not act on it himself? I understand that his mother threatened that if he were to report to the CP, she would say that she did it so WS could be king, and sow further discord between him and CP.  So he did not give his mother in to prevent further discord? i have trouble understanding this, if he is not afraid to die to save HS, why is he afraid that more discord will be sown btw him and CP? or did i miss something from the subtitles?

     

     

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