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hey can anyone pm me a live stream  link for TVN?
my usual link stopped working. 

[Lee Joon Gi 이준기 | [Drama 2023] "Arthdal Chronicles: The Sword of Aramoon"]

On 12 December 2016 at 10:20 PM, booho said:

Hey guys, i'm just curious, if a "stylist" usually hired by company or by artist itself ?

because for idol group, the stylist provide by their management company, but i dunno for actor ahahahahhaha

 

 

Hi! i think i can help to answer this. Stylist is on the management company's payroll but for someone like JG, most likely the stylist is hired/selected by him (but paid for by the management).

However, when engaging in commercials, or external collaborations with magazines etc, the stylist is under the endorsement brand or the magazine's payroll. In this case there are typically 2 scenarios:

1) if the celebrity is not picky, he/she may be willing to work with the brand/magazine's assigned stylist. This is what i would consider the more ethical way, as the stylist is paid for by the brand/magazine and the hence the brand/magazine should have a say in how much they wanna pay or who they want to choose. 

2) however, the more typical scenario is when the celebrity forces the magazine/brand to pay for her own personal stylist (one that he/she usually uses, the one that is typically hired by the artiste management company). In this case the brand/magazine would usually be forced to pay exorbitant fees for the stylist. 

 

Based on JG's status, i think he should fall into the no.2) category where he has a more personal say on who he wants to use. 

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2 minutes ago, ChewyChocolate said:

Those leaked pics of Wang So and the ferrari: if they were removed, I'm going to be so pissed off.

 

 

the pics with the ferrari were for the lotte duty free CF/mini drama, not for MLSHR

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How did JM turn from drunkard to a museum guide in the span of one year?

I guess that was the miracle/happy ending we were supposed to get.....

and HJ's hair is different. The last episode is so damn rushed... did't they preproduce this?

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so the reason why they flashed HJ back to the future was to show product endorsement....wtf..

 

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1 hour ago, Lmangla said:

 

ominous drum roll.... reminds me of wook's wife.... so maybe she will have a heart attack and pass out and die during the piggyback ride and we will get that tragic/(well maybe happy/satisfying for those who want to kill HS for her fickle, "I don't know what tea to have" attitude towards her life in goryeo) ending that moon lovers was bound to have..... 

 

i think is either a flashback or a dream sequence hs has b4 dying.... aiigoooo.....

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i think its ironic that they decided to remake this targeting Korean viewers who have yet to watch BBJX and does not know how the story will end, however, the key audience ends up being the international viewers, of which most are already exposed to the drama's ending.

On the one hand due to the production's original intention (to target korean audiences who have not watched BBJX yet), i think the last episode will be EXACTLY like the c version (HS dies, WS does not get to meet her, in future, HS sees WS by chance but he does not recognise him). 

On the other hand, i hope that the production is smart enough to actually film 2 endings (one same and one different from the c version bbjx), knowing that their key audience is us who already know what happens in c version and actually want to be surprised. Also the ending in the C version was written with the hopes of being able to produce a sequel. However, the Korean version DEFINITELY has no hope for a sequel (sorry guys, but i can tell you 100% it will not happen).  Perhaps it would also help to explain why there is no preview of next episode (as they are still deciding which ending to broadcast). CHAEBAL.....

 

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I think the last scene will be a replica of this exact moment, but set in modern times, with the two actually locking eyes with each other (and in true k drama style, in the middle of a crowd)

Also someone mentioned they would like to know what GJ was reading before HS left. It's not HS's diary, but "Zhengguan Zheng Yao - a summary of the important points of taizong's governance", a book by Emperor Taizong of Tang (it is credited in Wikipedia as "difan"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangjong_of_Goryeo) It is often used as an exemplary  text for kings to learn how to govern effectively. 

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i watched without subs.. can someone explain to me why WS's actions led to WH committing suicide? and why does BH blame him for it?

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33 minutes ago, lavender2love said:

 

TOOK ME SOME TIME TO DIGEST THAT ....... !!!!!!!!!!! YOU MEAN THEY CONSUMMATE THEIR UNION FOR AN HEIR ???.... ???  .... HUH ??? REALLY .???PD IS KILLING US...UGH !!!!!!

don't worry, no candle blowing, means nothing happened 

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Before we move on to the final episodes, i want to share some of my own interpretations of why WS seemed to change his character from ep 17-18. 

Many have speculated that he had changed because of the intense desire for the throne due to:

1) him tearing yo's decree ruthlessly
2) him ordering to kill all who question his right to the throne/exiling Jung/marrying YH after HS's rejection to his proposal

My interpretation is that he did the above not because he wanted to be the king so badly but because:
1) we all know what happens to those who initiate a revolt that fails. The main instigator together with his entire squad will be killed. Which is why once he started the revolt, he HAS to attain the throne, or else the general, BH and even HS will be killed along with him. for most part, the tearing of the decree was a rational decision rather than one driven by desire

2) we also know that if a revolt is successful, the king who gets dethroned and all his supporters will be in danger. Soon Duk said it best when Mo died and a new king takes over, his first job will be to kill off his brothers and anyone who supported the old king. That means once WS becomes the king, he HAS to stay as the king, if any revolt is established, no matter if it is successful or not, will weaken his position and put all his supporters in danger. So in a way, he acted ruthlessly in order to protect those who supports him

But definitely, in the course of ep 17-18, WS's character has  changed. He is not one to indulge in useless emotions, and definitely not one to display his true feelings, even to HS  he is often guarded.  But in episodes 17-18, you can see that he has openly expressed extreme anger over a few occasions. 

My interpretation is that it was not the throne that dictated this change, but rather the departure of the General.

In Ep17, the general's departure was a pivotal scene that marked the change in WS's temperament. One of the key scenes that was cut from the international version, but re-instated in the SBS version was a conversation with HS where WS shares his wild predictions that after the general, eventually everyone will leave him: BH no longer treats him like a brother, JM is only using him to exact revenge for WM's death. Bear in mind that at this stage neither JM nor BH have expressed intentions to leave him and It is wildly unlike WS's character to indulge in worst case scenarios (the old WS controls a strict economy of emotions; rather than waste time fearing, he would rather act). It is understandable that he is loosing richard simmons over the departure of the General because his main motivation to be the king was to protect those who support him, but after becoming king with great difficulty, he realises the same people he sort to protect would actually prefer to leave him. He must be thinking, why the richard simmons did i re-enter the wolf den in the first place?! And for someone who is unreasonably stubborn, naive and  unquestionably devoted to those he considers his possessions (while he claims that those who are his people will be in his possession forever, he also expects the same kind of unwavering attachment from the same people) it must have been a great blow and a genuine source of insecurity. 

So in Ep 19-20, we will witness how he will deteriorate after HS, and perhaps BH (after what happens to WH this is understandable) request to leave him. I think as all his worst fears are becoming reality, he will totally snap and become crazy. I think we should all be prepared for another major change in WS's character next week ( i think instead of WS being sad, we will be served a very, very crazy GJ).  

 

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14 minutes ago, hitomebore08 said:

 

  I noticed that too.

Can someone explain why in the world aren't we getting the same quality from the video? 

 I thought it was because I am using a not so new pc but no! even in the bts it clearly shows that there is a huge different in color!

  BTS:

 

still cuts:

 

and in my pc:

 

It will be greatly appreciated to whoever can enlighten us with this issue..  

 

Its easy to retouch still pictures in post production and amp up the colour artificially. However for moving pictures, the post production retouch has to be done more than 24 frames a sec which is almost impossible to do. It is however, possible to colour correct a motion picture by adding a universal filter to all the frames, but not all directors like that because it destroys the natural quality of visuals shot on film. although i think the drama is probably shot digitally, directors still like to pursue that original film quality, which i guess is an artistic preference. 

It is the same reason why the actors look more flawless in, lets say the cosmo shoot as compared to how they actually look like in the drama itself. 

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anyway, just another thought about the elliptical nature of the writer's style and why she had to write in the part where WS was thrown into a wolf den during his days with the Kangs, its not just to endear viewers to his character:

1) WS is sent to live with the Kangs. Despite being lonely, he retains a speck of his idealism and makes do with the situation by being best friends with a tree called Pat Pat

2) WS gets thrown into the wolf den. The incident teaches him about survival and strips off his idealistic tendencies and yearnings for companionship. In order to stay alive under attack from the animals and the harsh winter, he does what he has to do, he burns down his only companion pat pat in order to survive. 

3) WS is hardened, he is apologetic for this actions but has no regrets. The incident shapes his character significantly. 

4) WS meets another companion in a human form, HS, whose hanja name means "Tree"

5) WS enters the palace, a metaphorical den of wolves (key wolf figures, Empress Yoo, WY, WWon, WWook, YH etc). He fights to survive and but will eventually be forced to make the decision to sacrifice HS, his only true companion. Only this time it is not a tree, but a human with the name of a tree. This eventually makes him into the true GJ.

The thing is, tragically,  WS never left the wolf den at all. 

From the very beginning the writer has given us hints that HS is doomed from the way her name was penned....it also serves to highlight the looping nature that fate likes to operate in (what comes around goes around). The story of WS is often told in circles (i.e. the incident with Eun's birthday). which also cleverly alludes to the theme of reincarnation; i think our OTP is forever fated to spiral endlessly into each other through time and space. Its my artistic opinion, but i am sure the writer had similar intentions, had she had the support  and resources to fully flesh out these poetic ambitions. 

It saddens me that this drama could really be that good. Sometimes i wish that this is not a k-drama, but a movie or some other form of production that is not as dictated and restrained by the demands of commercial success or popularity. However i will stay tuned to the ending, hoping that she will draw parallels from an insignificant incident that happens earlier in the drama and completely change the way we appreciate the story again. I wonder what that'll be. 

 

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On 28 October 2016 at 9:25 AM, lyserose said:

Thanks for sharing the video. Lee Yoo Bi is so cute and sweet. I always like her camaraderie moments with Joon Gi. And LJG is so approachable, no wonder his fans could behaved very civilized because they know he would never pushed them away and always care to spend some times with them no matter how busy he is. I always love to view the videos of these K-stars taken at the airport because those are the times that really show their true real-life personalities. There are some that considerable nice and warm like Kim Woo Bin but they are also some that appeared to be rather haughty and feel all self-importance and couldn't care less about their fans. But Joon Gi by far, is the friendliest and most appreciative of his fans and I am not saying this because I favour him, instead strictly from those videos that I have watched.

 

its quite widely known that LJG is beyond nice and approachable to his fans. but i would also like to point out that his fandom is exceptional in a lot of ways, which explains why he is always so nice to them compared to other k-stars to their fans:

1) when Arang first aired, HK fans bought train platform advertising to help promote his drama 
2) when scholar and moon lovers aired, china fans invested in bus wrap advertising to help him promote his drama overseas. I am a marketer, and i know that those outdoor advertising the fans spent their money on is ridiculously expensive! (can cost in the range of about USD 30,000 per advertising period)

3) when he filmed never say goodbye in shanghai, the PD commented that he was surprised by the strength of his fandom. The budget did not allow for JG to have his own trailer van (for privacy and resting purposes) and JG was very accommodating and did not specifically request for one. however upon hearing this, fans in shanghai booked a trailer van for him for the entire filming period so that he can rest peacefully after filming

so in a way he is so nice  to his fans because they are extremely nice to him too!

Speaking of the PD of never say goodbye, there is a video of him praising JG for his professionalism.

(Korean stars are known the press and media industry for being NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT to work with due to a few reasons: over-protective management agencies as well as the stars' own egos. My friends working in the media have many times sited the need to boycott korean stars due to the unreasonable attitude that they have displayed during several media events that they were working on. They have interviewed hollywood actors before and feel that korean stars have even bigger egos and more ridiculous demands then even the crazier hollywood stars) 

In the video, the PD has mentioned that although he has been warned to be prepared for the contrary, in reality JG did not have any specific star demands for the production. He is accommodating in many aspects although the PD does admit that JG is not a yes-man; his only demand is proper communication and he does often request for the director to properly explain his intentions before accommodating to anything. Other than that, the PD finds JG to be very professional, is always on time and is always prepared. I have to commend JG for this because when i work with celebrities for endorsement deals, they are never on time hahaha. I have also seen some of his other interviews during the peak of his popularity  (iljimae days) and find that his management is often not so protective  of him which is highly unusual.. even when reporters ask him strange questions and does inappropriate things, he does not look at his manager for help, rather he always try to settle things himself using humour or other more diplomatic ways. I have been a fan for many years and honestly i don't know how his manager looks like (compared to Ji sung, who is also from Namoo, whose manager is always there). He seems to be more independent and different from other korean celebrities from what i know. 

 

 

 

 

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I just came back from travelling and wow the forum has moved very fast! 

I just want to share some of my experiences with watching the show... recently I went on another trip with my friends and Scarlet heart was showing on a streaming service in that country. My friends do not watch korean dramas because they find it too fluffy or there are just too much manhandling scenes (this is just their opinion, i think people are allowed to have their own diverse opinions on what content they like)... however since they have watched the C version before, and there was nothing on TV, we decided to give it a try (I kinda kept it to myself that i was crazy over this drama as i was initially very self conscious about it!). Anyway on the first episode, all of them agreed that it was a very bad drama, it lacked depth and some of the plot devices were just too "convenient" to be true. However, since we had nothing else to do, we just let the drama stream to the next episode while we each did our own things. Somehow by episode 2, they were hooked! and by episode 4 there was no turning back. Everyday we were hovering between life and death, making do with just 3-4 hours of sleep each day  as we had to wake up early to fulfil our itinerary but we still marathoner the drama until 2-3am every night! Till this day, everyone still agree that it was a bad drama, we still make jokes about how bad some of the scenes were (like how WS was so devoted to his mother because he was scared if he did't behave, she might push him like how she did in the scene with Jung). But the reason they continued to watch the show is because ever since WS was properly introduced in ep 2, they were invested in his character, it doesn't matter even if they found the plot preposterous, it doesn't matter that they had watched the C version and hated how the characters are now portrayed frivolously in the early episodes by kpop idols, they just wanted to find out what happens to WS in the end. 

After coming back from the trip, i gather that a lot of viewers have expressed anxiety over the ending or displeasure over HS's character. I think rather than trying to explain or debate this logically, and although i do agree with the fact that the female characters are grossly underdeveloped (it is a k-drama after all), i think the bias against HS's character is rather justifiable for 1 reason:
Since the beginning, many of us were invested solely in one character, which is WS alone. 

While some might say that WS is one of the most well developed characters in the drama, i beg to differ. I think the main problem with the drama is that it cannot decide what it is and tries to do too much. Same with WS's character, it is so ridiculously multi-faceted that some parts seem to be incompatible with others. I must admit that the writer has some shining moments, but in writing WS's character, i think she was too ambitious; he is at times ruthless, at times compassionate; at times cunning, at times naive and innocent. At times deadly serious but sometimes funny. Sometimes unreasonably possessive, but sometimes operates with a god-like benevolence.....Honestly on paper, i really don't know what to make of this character. I think this is one of the reasons why people got anxious and distressed when they introduced WS 2.0 in ep 17, because huh? more variations are introduced at such a late stage of the story? really?

I think the key reason that makes WS such a compelling character is not the writing, but the performance. Despite WS's ridiculously duplicitous nature, LJG's performance still manages to convince the viewer of his character, every single time. We believe in his character unquestionably because he is acted out perfectly by LJG. I feel that the other cast members are good actors in their own right, but they just couldn't  rise above the haphazard plots or the lack of screen time to build characters compelling enough. As a result, most of us are watching the show invested in only 1 character, which is WS played by LJG. 

On a separate note, i too have anxiety over the ending, after investing so much of my time, i want the production to give me a satisfying closure.

Spoiler

I have been speculating non stop about how it ends... and somehow, i think we are unlikely to see a modern day reunion. There are just not enough episodes to left squeeze all the plot in and still show a proper reunion in the modern day. my opinion is that if its not well done, better not show it. 

anyhow, here is what i think will go down for ep 19 -20:

1) showdown between WS and WW. out of spite, WW shares his past history with HS

2) WS is broken by this, confronts HS and threatened to never see her again

3) at this time, WJ leads and army to the palace to take HS/ or revolt

4) (this is the missing baek ah scene) in the revolt, richard simmons goes down, and maybe WH gets killed.

5) WJ claims HS using the hairpin that was given to her by WS. WS is inconsolable

6) BH is seriously pissed of at HS as he felt used as a pawn in a situation where HS was unable to predict the devastating consequences of her actions. 

7) WS is finally broken. Despite many years of convincing himself of the contrary and claiming possession of BH and HS, he finally accepts that he is alone. He drives away HS, BH and perhaps eventually JM.

8) after this fiasco, HS moves on with WJ, but is traumatised again by the consequences of her actions. She sends a final letter to WS and passes away. (I think they might rush her death, maybe have her accidentally transported back to the future by falling into a lake etc). 

9) HS goes back to the future, survives and meets JM. JM shares that he retains memories of his past life in his dreams. In his dreams, he dreamt of GJ devastated upon hearing of HS's death and eventually imprisoning himself in a den of enemies (a wife who schemes against him and children who do not side with him). While GJ continues to rule efficiently, he has emotionally collapsed and JM keeps him sane by constantly telling him that HS is from the future, and they might meet again. 

10) before dying a lonely death, GJ, after depleting all his resources to travel to the future with no avail, asks JM for a final favour. that if JM ever travels to the future again, he should find HS and recite to her his reply to her final letter. In the letter, he promised again that he will never let her go and that he will keep trying to meet her even after death. (this will be the same line as the one he said after the bb cream application scene) 

11) in order to keep his promise to the king in his dream, modern day JM purposely sought out Ha Jin during an eclipse. Somehow with the knowledge of Goryeo Ji Mong, he realises that one can experience their previous life at a point of near death during an eclipse. he stages this so that Ha Jin can remember her past life as HS before he recites GJ's letter to her (if not it would not make sense) 

12) JM recites' GJ's final message. Ha Jin/Hae Soo obtains closure. As she treasures every word that GJ has returned her, even if he is not there, she feels his presence everywhere in this kingdom that he created for her future self;  in the softly wavering trees, in the breeze and the efferverscent lake etc (even as i am writing this, i'm like richard simmons don't let this happen). 

13) As the show closes, JM reminds HJ that both he and her exists in this era, who is to say that WS doesn't?

14) . and maybe we might get a very very short glimpse of modern WS somewhere, doing his own thing and waiting to be discovered by HJ. 

SHOW ENDS

REAL LIFE RESUMES FOR ME. 

 

 

but anyway, i have decided to not be anxious about the ending anymore, it may happen like i want it to, it may not, but one thing is for sure. LJG will absolutely kill it and I will just relax and enjoy his performance. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Diana Blanche said:

@chickenchopflipflop Ha! @antiherofans Ha!

I love your analogy between ML and Games of Thrones. Even the relationships between brothers/sisters seem to be Targaryens, as I said many, many page ago.

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I wonder if in Korea an actor as Peter Dinklage would have won any prize.

 

 

the answer is no... hahah unfortunately...

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10 minutes ago, antiherofans said:

 

Hae Soo = Sansa Stark  LOL

I keep screaming same things to them

"Stop making stupid decision."

"Choose the right guy."

"Don't trust him, he is a snake." (Wook & Petyr Baelish /littlefinger)

 

which reminds me Wang won = little finger 

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i have been pondering this ever since the running man episode. 

The reason i am hooked on ML is because it is so different from typical k-dramas, yet so similar. Similar in terms of the level of angst and the trope of the tortured protagonist. 

Different because it actually attempts to shock and discomfort the viewer rather than restrict itself to a formulaic narrative. 
 

Due to the latter, i am convinced that MLSHR is actually  ASIAN GAME OF THRONES. Even the opening theme sounds similar if you listen closely.

WANG SO = TYRION + JON SNOW 

=      + (the scar, charisma, scorned by parents and the weirdish bloodline, ON POINT)

Spoiler

 

YEONHWA = MARGAERY TYRELL

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WANG YO - RAMSAY BOLTON 

 

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WANG WOOK = JAMIE LANNISTER

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QUEEN YOO = CERSEI LANNISTER 

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JIMONG = VARYS + BRAN STARK + MELISANDRE (WTF)

HAE SOO = ARYA --> SANSA --> DANAERYS

I wished they had more time to make all the characters likeable like what they did for game of thrones. Anyway maybe its not interesting to most and out of topic, but i had fun comparing ML to the BEST TV SHOW ON EARTH... 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, sooji28 said:

I just open the SBS PD note newest still cut, and i found that our OTP's chemistry is soooo good. From the kiss, the after bed sleeping together scene, it was so believable. But below picture makes me want to say to our PD-nim: You should record from this the camera angle. *swoon swoon

 

 

And not just our OTP, Eun-Seun Duk are also so sweet together

 

 

 

Just wanted to say, not to be a spoil sport or anything, but LJG wasn't even kissing LJE on the lips... (its the part between her nose and lips - philtrum?) and its already sooooo hot....

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its nice that everyone is commenting on LJG's interview and showing your support for him. 

But don't be disheartened! As fans I think we should regard him as an actor.

Let's face it, LJG is not a young idol who can draw crowds of fans in South Korea, because he is simply a good actor. He is not popular enough to get endorsements and CFs, because he is simply a good actor. He is certainly not a ratings-drawer, but he is simply a good actor. Is it good enough for him to be a good actor? Yes, definitely, because that's what he is supposed to do; its his job and its what he identifies himself as (@actor_jg)

As an actor, I feel that popularity is not the most important factor; its all about the performance and dedication. In this aspect, I would say ML is LJG's most successful work to date. 

As an audience, I am thankful that he took this role that showcases his range and capabilities. As a fan, I am grateful that he took this role; although the ratings are low, and he might not get awards for it, i am sure other producers and directors will notice him for his work in this drama and cast him in similar, artful productions in the future. He used to be an idol after the King and the Clown, but i think his work in this drama will surely open the doors for him to finally become a real actor. 

And also, I noticed that the longevity of an actor has almost nothing to do with achieving instantaneous popularity, in fact, the recognised actors are usually the ones who avoid being too famous, and instead build their career step by step, slowly gaining experience and popularity over a long period of time. On a selfish note, because i enjoy LJG's performances so much, i wish for him to not get too popular and have a long and prosperous acting career i can look forward to!

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Dear Chinguls, 

I know we've been speculating for months how the drama will end and how severe WS and HS's eventual breakup will be. 

I  would like to raise another important question for discussion!

WHY IS JIMONG IN GORYEO BUT ALSO IN THE FUTURE? I am sure this is a crucial point the writer will visit at the end of the story!  is this plot point in the original novel? 

Since JM traveled to the future, met HS and went back to Goryeo when he drowned as a child, it would probably mean that he knows HS is from the future (the scene after the rain ritual also suggests this). after HS dies and GJ becomes devastated, perhaps he works hard to devise a way for GJ to meet HS again in the future (cause GJ to have a near death experience during an eclipse and transport him to future)? what will actually happen? I am soo curious!! I think JM is the key to the happy ending we are all looking forward to!

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2 minutes ago, violet90 said:

i think So will be really afraid losing Soo.... i don't know what's going on but he look scared when he hug Soo... seriously throne make people changes but i think only with Soo he will be our So and with other he is King Gwangjong....

 

in BBJX when 4th ascend the throne we will get to see how protective and caring 4th is before everything went down.. i think episode 17 will show us that.. the hug and bed scene also the mask scene... So always have a right reason to kill a person and i don't think he just go on killing people... also notice he look mad as hell and i don't think it will happen so fast but MAYBE its something with Soo???

also i pretty sure So knew about Won involvement with poisoning CP but CR and Won cannot be the reason why he look mad like that... a King women is the king weakness himself... i wonder maybe people will used Soo to get to So?? i have a long list by the way.. lol

either way our OTP look their still in a good place and its all that matter...

 

 

totally getting the anakin skywalker vibes.... is this secretly goryeo star wars,....

 

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i think he was so mad because someone caused HS to miscarry their baby. 

 

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this is my second time watching this scene and the emotional impact is in no way lessened. I waited a whole day to have a proper discussion on this so bear with me its a long post!

1) Baekhyun was amazing in his final moments as WE; he managed to not only pull off a dignified desperation, which at the hands of a lesser actor, would not have been believable as his character had always been portrayed as childish and frivolous. moreover, despite the lack of many interactions with WS in the previous episodes, in this scene, he has convincingly established an affectionate history between the two that the audience was not privy to, and hence, made his departure even more affecting (this is also greatly due to the writer's clever reference to episode 7, hence making the audience readily accept the importance of WS and WE's relationship and how devastating WE's death must have been for WS, despite the lack of scenes between the 2). I even dare say that this scene would leave a greater impact on me compared to WS and HS's separation later on. 
 

2) LJG LJG LJG. ...... it is not even the finale and he is already this good, i wonder how good he will be when we reach the end. He managed to bridge the gap between the vision which was on one side of the emotional spectrum (laughter) to the reality, which was on the totally opposite end (crying). When i first saw HS's vision, i thought there was no way it could be played out in reality the same way it played out in the vision, and yet LJG was able to do it seamlessly and still enable us to accept without question that the vision  WS and the real WS are the same person. What is so amazing about that crazy laughter he pulled off after WE's death is that even though i am watching  from my mobile, his pain and presence had broken though the fourth wall and i literally felt like i was watching a live play where he is right in front of me, and chastising us for being entertained by this inexplicable situation. I really had the urge to just look away at this scene, but even the sound of his laughter is almost repulsive enough to give me nightmares. for a long time, I have not seen a performance so powerful that it actually made me feel physically uncomfortable and for this alone i would say the entire series is definitely worth watching. the only complaint i have about this scene was how they kept cutting from WS to WJ's face, and that kind of unhinged LJG's excellent momentum. Ji Soo seems like a decent actor, but compared to LJG, his face is as boring as a biscuit. 

It also really helped that the show was shot semi-chronologically as you can see LJG getting skinnier by each episode, and you can really witness his dedication to bringing out a physical testament to further convince us of  the torture Yo's reign has put his character through. Lastly, is it me or did LJG appear to age significantly after WE's death?
there is no way of knowing whether he will get an award for his portrayal of WS or not, but one thing is certain, this performance is an unforgettable one that will not/cannot be dethroned that easily by any other actor in whatever drama that comes in the observable future. 

 

Other observations:
1) the theme of the episode is change. HS is the only fixed variable helping to define the change in the other characters. Of course we witness WS's change, and his discovery of a higher calling besides HS (when he saw JM, he was the one to let go of HS's hand first, sadly HS is no longer his no.1 priority). I guess this development is also necessary as he will become merciless not because of HS, but because he wants to protect the country and I guess it would make their separation easier to stomach rather than some heartbreaking misunderstanding or whatever. Another change which i was surprised by was from WW; in the scene where the general and the ministers were dissing WS, did i detect compassion from WW? is this the start of a possible political alliance? and of course WJ's swelling arrogance.. ... nope, not going touch on that. just no.

2) i was wrong where i said the sbs version will have better editing... i thought it was a mess and all over the place compared to the youku one (although again the music in the sbs version is more apt, especially the pitch black silence during WE's death, a device which is commonly used in Game of Thrones during the death of major characters). The reason why the editing is so chopping? SBS decided to squeeze in an extra backhug scene between WS and HS in retaliation to the leaked episode fiasco. I personally felt that scene was useless, and the flow of the episode could have been much better without it

3) finally we get the lantern festival! did anyone notice if the man behind the mask was WS or WJ? i need to know!

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After watching sbs vs. youku versions for the past few episode, i have to say i would advise for all to watch the sbs version of ep16 first, and then the youku one for any missing scenes. Episode 16 is an emotional journey where the full impact  can be dramatically enhanced by editing finesse, and sad to say, the youku version still doesn't do it for me. however,  the writer really shined in this episode, as she did a couple of excellent references:

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A reference was made to episode 7 and now WE and WS's story has finally come full circle in the most unimaginably poignant way...A gift was given to celebrate one's birth and another was given to send the same person to heaven... 

The shadow puppet scene was an obvious homage to the King and the Clown: this particular scene in King and the Clown was a pivotal point that marked a dramatic shift in mood for the film. at first it seemed like a naive and innocent act, but on hindsight, it revealed itself to be a cautionary tale about how dangerous unbridled, undisciplined affection is during that era. It is the writer's warning to us that she will bring down a world of pain from here onwards and everything will spiral quickly to its tragic conclusion.

I think ep 16 is ver clear in telling us that there is no use expecting the unexpected... what will happen will eventually happen, just like WS's poem to HS, water will turn to clouds no matter what (another nice throwback/warning the write gave us). 

I think i will heed her warnings and take a break from this drama for a while, maybe skip to the ending which is supposed to be happy.. Chinguls... mark my words that there will be no more happy scenes after this.....

 

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not really spoiler, but in ep 16, LJG's acting has reached yet another level....