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8 hours ago, KY L said:

I thought this one is obvious, he doesn't have one because he's an illegitimate son, and therefore deemed unworthy to carry the holy names of prophets and saints.

It is, and it's not. 

My reasoning, when I asked the question, was something like this (I may miss an important detail, though): situation behind the Kang Yo-Han's naming was as you mentioned, but then comes Elijah, and I've thought: she has a biblical name, yet is either an extra material child or at least not form a catholic marriage), or a illegitimate child, or her mom, Isaac's first wife die (less dramatic got divorce), which makes her, in eyes of a religious person, not worth it either.

But then again, their father got old, it's his first granddaughter (which makes people softer). There also a possibility that, the catholic (or similar) ceremony was a formality, a registry marriage already had took place...

In the end I've looked into Kang Yo-Han's name, and found it's origin. So, yeah. 

 

3 hours ago, noor1 said:

I really don't think the elites (who were just wannabes / upstarts 10 years ago) did anything wrong by running for their lives from the raging fire and smoke-filled church. We all would've done the same thing.

It's honestly just me, and this is likely not possible or probable, or makes much sense, but the elites in this show are just the means to reach Jung Sun-A or who ever is behind her, because she's the person (or some she's connected to - really, her own effort to climb the top is impressive, yet must hide someone, the elites aren't as influential to let her reach the top, if they don't know who she is, or maybe they know?) that Kang Yo-Han found the responsible for his brother and sister-in-law's death. If she really had gone this far by doing awful things, it's possible that she (or her ally) wanted to kill Isaac who could turn an obstacle (or Kang Yo-Han is trying to take her down to... help her, purify her, because... who knows what can stand behind this possibility - some sort of affection?). One need to take the supporters, before going for the head (in this environment and the amount of complexity of the power she holds). Or not? I'm hardly a strategist, so probably not accurate metaphor, sorry. 

Can't wait for the next episode.

 

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Can anyone explain me the situation with the firefighter? Does Kang Yo-Han went after him just because he'd stole his brother watch? That's... weird. Were both of those scene to picture him as a sociopath (otherwise his action does not make sense), or was it because the firefighter didn't check on his brother, and Kang Yo-Han thought Isaac was still alive and the man ignored the dying person for his own greed? 

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6 hours ago, lila21 said:

You really think Yo Han is right just because of his background?

What to do mean by this?

 

From what I see it, the whole relationship between Kang Yo-Han and Kim Ga-On, it's a mentorship/friendship/rivalry in progress. 

Kang Yo-Han must collect information about him before, otherwise, he wouldn't allow him to be the way Kim Ga-On is now. It's too dangerous to his plans otherwise. He's closely monitoring Kim Ga-On actions, because Kim Ga-On is a force that will be either useful (as an ally, also on a more private ground), or an obstacle. Maybe he's a bite too, to lure out the bigger player(s) - sniffing a weakness, starting to feel pressure, being reminded of the past. No matter the reason, the fact is it's not without its benefits to both sides. 

@ferily so many interesting questions, thank you. 

7 hours ago, ferily said:

Yo Han is definitely trying to get the support of the public but I wonder what his goal behind that is?

Public means viewership and subscriptions, which means big profits from advertisement. If it's big enough, none of the foundation members will complain, too greedy and hungry for benefits. A weapon to yield against those whose it's potential weakness, losing it means losing face, money, power, everything literally. Having it gives him an upper hand, adding to it the fact they wouldn't not have anyone to turn to in the moment of panic (hiding in shadows doesn't have it's downfalls) and may be easier manipulate. 

I think he wants in to be public partially because otherwise they could force it ot disappear, and also if it's popular, then they can't just... cancel it without consequences. Public vote means it's not his self-serving, subjective action driven by revenge (in case someone present it to the world), or at least isn't easily to prove. 

7 hours ago, ferily said:

Also him taking Ga On to the foundation, I wonder what the purpose for that was?

Adding to the one's you mentioned, it maybe a move to lure Jung Sun-A. She's tightly guarded and careful, but after seeing the weakness, she might be a bit reckless and show her cards, even if only a thing little pick, it can give Kang Yo-Han some insights. And using Kim Ga-On for it may also help him to teach the guy what he wants them to teach. Also... maybe he's there to ground him, as a support, the familiar face in place where so many enemies are showing, in the lion's den. From what Jung Sun-A said while writing the invitation it was the first time he's truly meeting them like that. He may be enraged and do something reckless, if not stopped (even when it's just in his head).

 

7 hours ago, ferily said:

I also don't understand the hate towards him and his character  I think if we were in his shoes, we would act the same and be suspicious of Yo Han.

I think it's not about suspicious or the confrontation itself, but the recklessness and thoughtlessness he continues to present. If looking at his behavior from the outside, he just running around and... basically doing nothing. Not working (reading cases, preparing to the trial, questioning people - at leat he started in the last episode, digging in the archives - if someone part of the case are old, asking about expertise, warrant), and not thinking enough to let it be seen as a purposeful action instead of looking for people to give him ready answers.

 

7 hours ago, ferily said:

I personally don't believe that Ga On is Isaac's long lost son and maybe Yo Han is related to Ga On's parents in some way?

To think of it, does anyone thought about the bride's side? If Kim Ga-On is the groom's side, then... can Oh Jin-Joo be related to the bride? She's not part of the rich people's world, maybe Isaac bride wasn't either, and there's connections that's made Kang Yo-Han her a part of the team? 

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A need the new episode asap, because the wait creates more and more questions, without answers of any sort. 

Why is Saturday so far away?

 

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What if "nanny" told that story and acted as she did to manipulated Kim Ga-On to confront Kang Yo-Han and help him to shape the guy the way he wants? Strong emotion helps the manipulation, and she didn't interact with Kang Yo-Han by now. Either she too afraid of him or they are shaming together.

Also, do you find it alluring for a grown man to say a word "nanny" and possibly hint that it's also referring to him too, not only as Elijah's caretaker? 

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8 hours ago, Sleepy Owl said:

Well, Yoon Soo Hyun is not an ordinary detective too, she is part of RIU, which deals high bigger cases

Oh, that would explain things. Thanks for making it clear.

 

7 hours ago, lila21 said:

On the other hand Yo Han knew that Gaon was looking for information on him. He has computed butlers around the house that tells him information including what someone ate for dinner. He even told Gaon that he knew Gaon was walking all around the house yet Yo Han allows him and was actually waiting for Gaon to ask him.

It's in Kang Yo-Han favor, teacher that helping his opponent, because Kim Ga-On may not even realize that yet. Which is hard to explain to be honest.

He suspect Kang Yo-Han about murder of his brother, and also being involved in his parents case, being generally a shady person, yet he doesn't see any real foul play in taking someone to one's house, let him met family (before he even found the photo) and even give back a listening device. 

What kind of person being in such situation would not be at least a bit wary? It's not everyday set up between adversaries, also those jokes and the wound tending matter... 

I hope we've got Kim Ga-On's character development in the next episodes. He has potential, people here pointed a lot of his merits, so that ground is there, now he just need to start growing. 

They both are at crossroads, and the next episodes will be important to get insight of his perspective and see what he'll do with the knowledge. 

PS. Maybe there are those small things that pill up and made it a bit irksome, like mosquito bites, that make it a bit too much? 

 

EDIT:

Why Kang Yo-Han doesn't have a biblical name? Has he changed it or hadn't got any in the first place? If he has, does it mean it would reveal his true nature? Ot Yo-Han is a Korean version of one? Also, do you think those name are even important to the story, aside the fact they are a clue of religious background of the story?

(I dug a bit up and find an answer, sorry for rumbling.)

 

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6 hours ago, ferily said:

"All human beings are equal in front of greed" come out in episode 4 again?

In the car when they were coming back from the party. 

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47 minutes ago, mystic62 said:

He and his friend should do more investigation on the incident instead of going after his past.  

The fact that's most disturbing when it comes to those two is that they're both officers of law. Yoon Soo-Hyun is a police officer, a detective, also young and probably closer to the academy years that be a veteran. Kim Ga-On is a judge, also probably closer to school times than worn by experience in the field, which means they must have been thought how to do an investigation, that you can't simply believe people without checking facts, collect evidence. It's a basic knowledge for their occupation, right? 

One thing is fitting facts to the theory, something else is that they didn't even collect the facts, before they judge and throw themselves into chase after Kang Yo-Han. 

There must be a strong factor that push them to be so reckless at their jobs. I'm curious what kind of thing could it be.

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1 hour ago, LeftCoastOppa said:

 

- Elijah (...) ( nice to see her warming up to Ga-On )

That's somewhat an interesting matter. How Kim Ga-On will react to the thing that'd happened to Elijah, what Minister Cha did during the fire (I think that's part is true, the woman looks like a bit of... you know). It's a perfect opportunity to turn Kim Ga-On against the Minister Cha, because it something that they both agree probably - she needs to be punished. He warms up to Elijah, and his instinct may scream "delayed justice". It's a nicely played by Kang Yo-Han, and can explain another reason, why Kim Ga-On is at the mansion, free to do what he wants. A good backup plan if Minister Cha won't be loving mother and sacrifices herself. Now, she's in a bad position, literally everyone is her enemy, even family.

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3 hours ago, lebeaucouple said:

But I am with you, I prefer Oh Jin Joo pair with Yohan, even though there is only 1 to 2% chance. There is unlikely have any romance between these two. She is only the admirer but to Yohan, she is just his loyal team player and subordinate. 

I must admit it could be an interesting idea to explore, having some who would adore him, understand some aspects of what he's doing and not making it seem like something despicable. Oh Jin-Joo looks like a person whose gone through some injustice in her life that'd hardened her and gave her an unique, critical perspective. She kind of a middle ground between Kang Yo-Han and Kim Ga-On in the sense of justice, too. Also that moment when Elijah implied they are together, like it's somewhat possible. Even if not a serious romance, it could be fun to see him beginning to develop a feeling of romantic nature (in a pure way, not as  something... twisted). 

 

1 hour ago, Runa Chatterjee said:

Because, frankly, it's only been 4 episodes and I adore him. 

If we'll assume it'll be standard 16 episodes show, then we're in 1/4 of it. It's not a small amount of time, tbh. A lot of things can happen, a lot of feelings can appear and grow. 

 

1 hour ago, Runa Chatterjee said:

and Ga On pretty much does that. He confronts Yo Han. 

 

Yes, he does. His designed to be Kang Yo-Han's ultimate judge, I think. That's why  he's allowed to meet the family and is put in the team at all. 

He's just... really not skilled enough, not at their level yet. 

He definitely needs to rethink the way he's attending the investigation, learn which battle to pick up and, most of all, understand that he's in advantage, realize his situation. Only then he'll gain a weapon to fight his way into the game, wether he wants to play, or not. 

 

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In addition, Kang Yo-Han can be actually teaching Kim Ga-On the rules of the justice system as it's stands as of now. Not the idealistic version or the way it could be thought in school.

Kang Yo-Han had been living with his older brother, hearing him speak and share the experience about the world, who according to his tale and the way Elijah, nanny and his father (sorry, about the lack of names) was also a bit of on the pure side. Kang Yo-Han repeatedly says that he looks like him, which can also mean the believes or the way of seeing the world. That gives him a reason to think that Kim Ga-On can end up as us brother, if nothing change. And he wants thing to change. 

And that comment about chaperon (that was nice!) could suggest it. That he also want to work with someone whose not a burden and prepare him to fight later the bigger, better prepared fishes, more cruel and sly, if nothing else.

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43 minutes ago, blademan said:

Why are people hating on Ga-on so much?!!

Because he's Kang Yo-Han's opposite, he's hated by the public, just the public of a different show

 

 

But jokes aside, it's a good question. I needed to pause and honestly think what's in Kim Ga-On that's rubs me the wrong way. And came to conclusion that Kim Ga-On didn't earn the right to judge anyone, yet he feels it's given to him by the mere fact that people have an utter motive in what are they doing. Like... who doesn't have a few dark secrets?

Yet, he wants to exploit it just because he feels like he has any rights to, even if the people he's on didn't do anything wrong. It's... not a good trait.

You can be naive and gullible, still you need to have done something worth to be justified to judge others, especially if you're a judge yourself.

I mean in the show, not in RL (in RL the matter is more complicated and subjective).

Yet Kim Ga-On hadn't done any remarkable thing for anyone up until now. Simply didn't earn it. Kang Yo-Han is everywhere, Oh Jin-Joo has buried her nose in the files, Jung Sun-A threats people, Yoon So-Hyun is investigating, and what's Kim Ga-On done up until now in comparison? 

Even rescuing the guy from the burning bus didn't result in more active role in the first trial. He's just too passive.

It, of course, can change, but until it's done, well, Kim Ga-On is just... not there yet.

Naive can be cute, if well executed, hopefulness can be a strong trait, still needs a solid ground to explore. 

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6 hours ago, Mic gon said:

I do agree that his Isaac lost son, but he died went Elias was maybe 5 years

If enough people wanted it to be truth, writers probably will go that route, but at the moment it don't match up (according to the overall present symbolism). Kim Ga-On is too young, and the idea is a bit forced, to connect them that way. But we'll see.

To me, the resembles to Isaac is the Doppelgänger thing. Its purpose is to be the reminder for people around, those who sinned against Isaac, who where there that day, and who are going to pay. 

In my head Kim Ga-On is Kang Yo-Han's final judge, who will free him from his guilt, clear his conscience, because of the events 10 years ago. He'll also help Elijah heal, be a friend, a connection between her and her uncle. 

To add the meaning to it, I think his parents' case is connected to either Jung Sun-A or Kang Ga-On as a prosecutor? That part is still vague.

 

Out of nowhere. What do you think about Judge Oh? She seems to be a nice person, if a bit... much of fangirl. I think she's not naive, contrary to Judge Kim, and has a grunge against the company, contrary to Judge Kim who has something against Kang Yo-Han. The opposition is quite meaningful. Just hope she's not a spy or something. She's Kang Yo-Han literal "right hand" in court (the arrangement of places is nice and telling) and I think, she'll be a person on his side later (one of a few). 

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I've finished the fourth episode, and I've got QUESTIONS. 

So, where was Jung Sun-A during the ceremony? She was sitting on the bunch next to the ambulance, kicking reported and trempling (scare of what she has done, not yet lost in cruel world of money and power?), when Kang Yo-Han left the church with unconscious Elijah, but I didn't saw her anywhere before the fire (anyone saw her? Was it even her? Maybe it was just the future-Minister lady? It would makes more sense, because of what she's done to Elijah). 

Also, why Kang Yo-Han directed his steps towards her in the first place (if it was her, and I'm certain, it was Jung Sun-A)? He wasn't there either. That's too much of an accident. Why looking for her out of all the people, when he just lost his brother?

Also, that moment when he calmly walked when then steps from him the church was burning, and it wasn't small flames, in was full blow blaze. Yet, he just walked, no panic, no fear, no... smell, nothing. Then turned, and... Uh, yeah, this part is shady. 

If it's the tradition that children of their families are going to the same school, it's possible that Kang Yo-Han and Jung Sun-A know each other. If we add the fact that she's behind the shadows, and not a known heir or the head of the company, then she could also be a black sheep (yet, she could also be the real psychopath - she suits the medical terms much more than Kang Yo-Han, because he emphatized with the victim in the first episode, also he looks like he don't care to socilize, more than his unable to, like a sociopath, which also fits the part where writers are trying to misdirect us). 

If we add this, then maybe Kang Yo-Han meet her during the ceremony outside of prying eyes? She wanted to do something, he was her possible partner in crime? It's possible, basic it on their current interaction - it's seem like they know each other, they know about each other, also are too civil, Jung Sun-A is too... focued in him and on Kim Ga-On on the galla. It's... suspicious. 

It kind of sound like a weird theory. Uh, didn't plan this, there are just the thought I've got watching the episode. Sorry for that brain-dump... 

Also, I've missjudged Isaac, and I'm glad I did. It's good that Kang Yo-Han had had this kind of relationship and person in his life. Even if his as raw as his is (ignore the social expectation and rules), he is also a person who cares about people he finds worth it. 

Yeah, I think I maybe a little focused on the wrong part of the episode

PS. "I knew it..." that part actually doesn't prove he lied about the story. It's just saying that Kim Ga-On reacted as Kang Yo-Han expected, because he knows him, that kid is a bit too predictable (Jung Sun-A makes puppy eyes and he didn't even questioned why she told him, how she knew, why she even approached him...). Also, Kang Yo-Han is a good judge of character. 

 

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16 hours ago, Dddddddnnnnnnrrrrrrrr said:

I was beginning to doubt that Sunah was Saein in Yohan’s class since it seemed Saein had rich parents from America but now that she’s been proven to also be rich, I guess she could be the one.

Oh, so it's possible. Didn't connect this points, but they make sense. 

 

16 hours ago, Dddddddnnnnnnrrrrrrrr said:

She really is a match for YoHan and I wonder how long it will take for him to figure the truth out. 

I think he knows. He's just leaving her as the main dish, because she's somehow incolved in the fire, maybe even a cause of it. Ans she knows what he's after, observing. She's too confident she's on top of her game now, but I think, she considers him a dangerous enemy. They both playing the game now, and Kim Ga-On is they pawn (idk nothing about chess, but what I mean is... he's important player who'll chose sides and make on side win). 

I started to like this "theory". It's unreal, yet somewhat intriguing. 

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I'm here after the first episode and must admit, didn't see that coming. At all. 

After trailer I didn't have any good feeling about the drama, maybe I've saw the wrong one, don't know. But after the first few minutes in, I've... changed my mind. It can be really good, if they'll continue like this. 

The one that disturbes me the most is Kang Da-Jeong. The way she was decribed, the way her realtionship are in the present, I think she's the one that is most dangerous, close after her is Ju Young-Do, whose, well, not the brightest in the long run, but that makes him a lot more... suspicious. The one I'm actually the least concerned is Chea Jun - it's too obvious, and too... blunt to be anything than distraction. Still don't know about Ahn Ga-Yeoung. Well, we'll see, how it'll turn out. 

It was a good first episode. I'll see the next one, maybe something change. 

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(Do I need to introduce myself if it's my first post? Idk where to go... Help?)

 

So..

Gosh, this drama has the best cinematic. It's so good, camera work, music, contrasts, everything form the technical site is pleasant to the eye. It's worth watching it just for the aesthetic experience. 

Actor are also good, there is so many recognizable faces, just this tells how big this project is. And they are good. 

But that plot... It's nice, tense (the relationship between Kang Yo-han and Elijah are my favorite one and the one I'm curious about), but I'm three episodes in and can see the forceful way the Kang Yo-Han in made into a psychopath/sociopath (where in reality, I bet his brother is the type to trick everyone), the way Jung Sun-A is a person forced to submistion, yet waiting for the chance to bite (maybe for revenge?), also Kim Ga-On is a rude youngster who thinks knows the best. It's a bit dissapointing, because the crew, the technical side is so good... 

Well, we'll see where this goes. 

 

(Sorry for barging in, but I wanted to share the experience...)