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SM's hugs to JSJ and HH were not the same as the one to JK.  Here SM is slapping JSJ on the back and with HH it is just a hand on his shoulder.

 

 

With JK is full side hug that he leans into slightly. 

 

6 hours ago, kyoko22 said:

Yup. If she clarified about her and YSC is understandable. It is related to herself after all. But she also made it clear the relationship between JK and SJH. This is so interesting.

 

@kyoko22 I also found this really interesting.  She did not need to do this for JK (particuarly if you assume they're not dating or are not close).  However, SM did say this, and I applaud her for being brave and loyal, because we all know that certain fans will troll/backlash against her for doing this.  So, this means that JK is more important to her, than potential hate comments.  Also I would just like to add, that RM didn't edit it out.  RM is either done with the LL or they are wanting to make it clear to the audience that the LL's are very fake. They could've easily cut this moment of SM talking to the crowd (it is not related to the race), but I think RM has heard the audience backlash about forcing JK into an uncomfortable LL.  

 

Side note: The last two episodes what they have cut or edited is when YJS tries to interact with JK when it deals with SM.  Last episode when it was revealed that SM was the spy, they edited heavily JS walking over to JK and interacting  with him (looks like he was complaining to JK about him missing that SM was the spy).  

 

Below is a spoiler about the current episode that pertains to this topic.

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In this episode, SM does an act of betrayal, and the response of JS is that he starts talking to JK and putting his hand on his shoulder out of frustration at SM's actions.  However, the way they edit it you wouldn't know who he was talking to (just that he is voicing his frustration to someone).  

 

It is weird that these moments are edited so heavily. It shouldn't be a big deal for these two to interact.  Unless they don't want to associate JK, as someone who knows SM really well. 

 

 

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So a couple weeks ago, we got this image with this caption "is there any exercise you don't do? "

 

 

I know that some of you probably made the connection, but I want to put it in the forum to remember in the future. This was the day that JK released his pilates video.  I have thoughts below about this in the spoiler. 

 

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In the video it is explained by the instructor what you need to wear in pilates. 

 

If you look at the image from SM, this is not the type of thing SM will usually wears going out. These are tight fitting workout clothes. She has a scrunchy to put her hair up, and you can see/notice that she is not wearing sneakers (looks like sandals and maybe toeless socks). To me this is a pilates outfit. I've noticed, as well as other people, that SM has lost weight, but has muscle and seems to be stronger. This is the benefit of pilates, as a work out, it makes you stronger but have a leaner/dancers body. 

 

She was asking that question to JK, I am also certain .  Who else would SM being following and following her that is known for doing a bunch of different exercises, posted something that day about a new type of of exercise they tried, and has the coincidence of being the same exercise type of exercise it looks like SM is going to do (based on her pilates outfit)? Still, I guess I have to classify it as an assumption. I wonder if JK picked pilates as a vlog topic because of SM?   

 

@kyoko22 It is like you are reading my mind!! I read some more articles on body language after the vlog came out, because I caught something which made me intrigued. So, I then rewatched the vlog at .25 speed and I was right/not seeing things. One of the things that I read about body language, is that when men are interested in women (really when anyone is interested in anyone, but it is happen a lot in men)then they will lick their lips.  Not in a creepy way, but in a really quick way.  The reason is that, when people are interested in someone they produce more saliva. So, they swallow more, and they will press their lips and/or lick their lips. This is human response that can't be helped and it happens naturally.  As I said earlier, it usually happens so quickly that people don't notice.  Anyway, if you watch the vlog at a slower speed you will see JK swallowing a lot, pressing his lips, and licking his lips (even before the food comes). It also happens when they talk about their compatibility. Another thing that people do when they are interested in someone is looking from a person's eyes to their nose and mouth.  JK also does this at least once, but it is harder to track his eye moments. SM also does other things that show interest in JK, besides the touching him, looking at him, and facing her body towards him.  She plays with her straw (usually women will play with napkins, bottles, and straws subconsciously when they like someone) and she also drew attention to her shoulders (another thing that women tend to do).  Again, when we like to talk facts, well body language does not lie!

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Ok so I have some facts and assumptions as well. 

 

First to what @kyoko22 mentioned, I agree with your assumptions, and I also think they are dating.  Of course, this is all based on assuming the article is true to what happened in the show.  I will be watching this episode to see if this was him talking about a hypothetical gf or a real gf.  The article makes it seem like it is a real person. However, after reading some recent articles about SM (that were unkind), I am less likely to believe anything in entertainment news.  This could be just to drum up ratings for the show.  Like you, I try to approach things with facts/logic.  So, I will probably be more sure after Monday when subs are up.   

 

This all being said, if the article is accurate and JK did talk about his real gf, then that is exciting news.  It make sense why JK has been even more upset with the LL recently.  It also makes some of his other actions towards SM even more suspicious.  

 

Facts/What we know is: JK does favors/requests for SM like shooting a vlog with her brother, JK wanted SM to come to LA, JK does not want to use SM as smoke screen, his mom will be in LA, SM recently told YJS that she has thought of marrying JK, JK still compliments SM on RM often and tries to protect her, and they are not in a LL. 

 

So, I like to use hypotheticals because it can put things into perspective. Let's say that JK is not dating SM, and he is seeing someone else in Korea.  How would all of these facts make his secret gf feel? JK has done all of this for another woman/SM, which he is not in LL with. I feel the answer is obvious, but I will say it anyway, this gf would probably be annoyed at the least but realistically angry.  

 

So now the question is, do you think that JK is the kind of person that would do this to a secret gf or SM? Would SM keep touching a guy that is seeing someone else, or would she want to come to LA with JK, his mom, and this hypothetical secret gf (because most likely JK would want his gf to come with him after two years of not traveling)? Would a secret gf what another woman on that trip (with or without her)?

 

Realistically, the answer is no to these questions. JK and SM are not these kind of people. JK has repeatedly shown that he will not misled women, if he is in a relationship with someone (he shuts down LL's and other stuff).  Even HH mentioned it in MUD, how JK will reject women who are celebrities when he is dating.  SM has been cheated on in a previous relationship and that scandal went public (she would not do this to another woman). Also, JK would not let SM be a smokescreen for a secret gf.  

 

In my mind, there are only two real options, either the article is over stating things/did not happen this way, or the gf is SM.  I do have something else I want to share from a couple of weeks ago (more facts and assumptions), but I will put that in a separate post. 

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@kyoko22 I am always happy to hear more kookmin thoughts! You should write whatever you want.  We all know that shipping is for fun and won't be misled.  Also, I've had some half fact half assumption thoughts (I wonder if they are same ones). 

 

I can't give a reaction @Nerdyo2266 and @Bluelagoon246but love your thoughts!

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At the very beginning of the episode after you see SM wave to JK (thanks @MandelBrot), 

then something really interesting happens . After seeing JK, JSM comes and shakes hands with JK's friend in a very casual/friendly way (sitting next to him see gif above). You might recognize him from this famous picture. 

 

Sidenote: You can see him walking away, in the background, of MandelBrot's second gif on the previous page. 

 

 

Anyway, as SM is shaking hands with him, she does not realize that they have already started filming, but then the PD Bo Pil does and stops her from shaking his hand.  Why? What is wrong with the cameras catching her greeting JK's friend so naturally?  BP's reaction is so strange.  Even if JK and SM are just friends, then there shouldn't be anything wrong with her shaking hands with someone that she has probably meet on a regular basis. Again, this confirms for me that we are not going to get to see how really close JK and SM are in the show.  

 

I think this is part of the reason why SM then spends the rest of this time before filming really starts talking with YSC, while JK talked with SJY. 

 

I wanted to point this out, but I am not the only one who noticed the moment cr jeonjeonprincess (view the entire scene at the link) https://www.instagram.com/p/Cf1p3v1AOId/.

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@KookMin_sg I also had the same thought/hope yesterday when the song was released (really hope SM goes to LA)!!

 

@Fdl_nj and @Ashima Mahajan As for the heart color, you both might be on to something!  I had no idea the heart colors had different meaning ( thinks back to text messages and cringes . . . oh well . . . you learn something new everyday).  

 

After today, I think that JSM knows what the heart colors mean because she posted blue hearts (meaning friendship and loyalty) today for her colleagues/co-workers and drama.  So yeah, SM knows the meaning of the hearts (non delulu option she wanted the blue to match or her choice of heart color is the biggest coincidence ever).

 

 

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@kyoko22 I don’t think you are reading too much into it. From what I understand KJK wrote the lyric/composition of the song.  I just translated them into English.  Look at the last chorus . . . JK talks about the blue sky and warm sun light ( would you call that a bright sky … a.k.a. So Min) lol . Sometimes it is so hard to call it delulu.

 

Kim Jong Kook, KCM "I LUV U (with Miran)" [Lyrics]

[Chorus]
Words that we know just by looking at each other's gaze
Words that are never enough 
Words that we even know without talking 
Lingering on the lips everyday, I Luv U

[Verse 1]
The moment, the time we first met,
My heart still beats fast
You know, that lovely feeling
As if we are meant to be
Like so, our first encounter started like destiny
From the moment I met you till now,
My world has been full of you

[Chorus]
Words now readable from each other's gaze

Words that are never enough 

Words that we even know without talking 
Lingering on the lips everyday, I Luv U
I Luv U, I Luv U
I just wanna say I Luv U

[Verse 2]
Words can't express everything
But I can say it confidently.
The happiest moment in my life 
was to meet you and love you.
Do you know that I can no longer

imagine a world without you.

[Chorus]

Words now readable from your gaze

Words that are never enough 

Words that we even know without talking 
Lingering on the lips everyday, I Luv U

[Verse 3]
Fallin' I'll be by your side

I can hear your voice just from your gaze

These aren't words for the moment, Forever
Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you so you don't feel lonely
On a rough day, you're my map
Tell me your happy everyday, too, baby
Stay as you are, love you more each time
Our relationship gets better

[Chorus]
More than the warm sunlight in the blue sky
and shining stars in the night sky,
To me you shine the brightest
Words only for you, I Luv U

[Outro]
I Luv u I Luv u
I just wanna say I Luv U
U the one U the one
U are the one I Luv U

 

Needed to add this: When someone has time could you make a kookmin YouTube video using this song? Just putting the request out there so no pressure (I would do it if I knew how/had the talent).

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I agree what I like is that we can all have different thoughts and opinions and still enjoy the forum.  I am so happy that we have new people/commenters your always welcome (as long as you support kookmin lol). 

 

By the way, I have enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts/comments. Reading everyone’s thoughts helps me clarify my own opinion.  So some of things that I say, might have been said by others and thank you (you are helpful/insightful)!

 

@minusesyour theory/rant is really in line with my thoughts on kookmin and JSM.  I do have concerns about the way she will be treated and although she seemed embarrassed/surprised/amused. I agree that JSM doesn’t want to be pulled into a LL triangle and deal with another fan backlash by SJH supporters (JSM and SJH are closer than they were before/at least appear to be closer to cut down on her fans attacking JSM).  

 

Warning: Long Post Ahead!

 

The moment that has nagged me the most is the moment that YJS mentioned the phone call with JSM.  So I am only going to focus on that.

 

Dating or Not Dating (that is the question . . . sort of lol)

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As I have said multiple times in the forum, not trying to upset anyone, but I do fall into the they are dating category (too many moments for me to ignore). That being said, I think what we are watching is a shift and they are becoming more serious about each other.  Here are my reasons for thinking this: They filmed the vlog on the 15th (where KJK first mentions "if we were lovers" sign that he could JSM as something more, and two days later (June 17th three days before the RM shoot) she is talking to YJS about how she views KJK (thinks about being married to him). Obviously, whether you think they are dating or not this conversation with YJS is amazing for our ship.  Two and half weeks ago we know that JSM could see a possibility with KJK.  That is something that few ships can claim (both people have expressed genuine interest/possibility of seeing the other person as relationship material outside any variety show). Anyway, I am very very happy!!

 

Some say they just have good chemistry and hope they will date.  In my head, if they aren’t dating, then isn’t JSM really getting ahead of herself by thinking about being married to JK?  I know she is a romantic (and plays a hopeless romantic on RM), but she has also said that when it comes to love/relationships she is practical (and she has given good practical advice both on variety/radio shows and outside variety shows according to people around her). So, practically speaking, talking about marrying someone “If I married JK” before you date them . . . is well . . . not very practical. 

•  When JSM talks about her personality I tend to believe her (see link to INFP results for romantic relationships https://www.16personalities.com/infp-relationships-dating).  It says although she can be a hopeless romantic that many with this personality learn to see romantic relationships realistically (based on JSM’s past experiences and her comments/conversations about love I think she is more realistic about romantic relationships).

  

So, shouldn’t that conversation with YJS have been about her thinking about dating JK, if they aren’t dating yet?  True, YJS said “Surprisingly, So Min imagines what it could be like if she were with you quite often”, which implies that they aren’t together but that she thinks about being with him a lot (this doesn't just have to mean dating but could mean marriage).  I wasn’t really expecting YJS to just say they were dating (in fact I wasn't expecting any of this).  That is why, I think the next thing he said is more telling. YJS said, that JSM said, “If I married JK”, then what . . . (gosh I really wish YJS finished his sentence instead of being interrupted by the LL).  “If I married JK”, just seems like a phrase used by someone dating. Thinking about being married too someone before you even started dating is a big jump. 

• Side note: In my mind, I keep picturing the episode where JSM was debating about being married to JK and that it wouldn't be easy so she picked HH. LMAO 

Anyway, JSM is really close to YJS, so maybe while they were talking she was simply telling him about how she liked spending time with JK during the vlog, thinks about what it would be like to be with him, and eventually marrying JK, but that is not what YJS said (which even if the conversation happened this way it is still great news).   Setting aside whether they are dating or not.  I found something even more interesting about this moment and it has taken me time to pinpoint why I found this discussion so weird (for lack of a better word). 

 

 

Private Chat Between Friends

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So, this was a private phone conversation (just mentioned the two of them). If they are true friends (and I believe that YJS and JSM are really close/good friends), then your good friend/YJS wouldn’t go telling the entire nation you/JSM think about marrying your friend/co-worker, unless YJS knew that it was ok for some reason.  Remember when YJS accidentally let it slip that JSM told him something about what the other RM members were doing in a group chat, and the others got annoyed that she shared this information with YJS.  How did JSM react when YJS revealed something that she didn't want him to (basically spilled a secret)?  She scolded him for saying something and he apologized for the slip up (this instance seems minor when comparing to letting S. Korea/the world know that you think about being with/ married to KJK).  If this was a genuine slip up by YJS, then JSM would have scolded him.  Seeing how she reacted in the past I think she would have said something, or if it was a LL then play along, but instead she just laughed and said, “it’s not what you think”  (this comment could have either applied to being accused of wanting his money, she couldn’t think of what to say, or the conversation with YJS was genuinely innocent), but mostly she just laughed with her hand covering her mouth (a sign that you are shy). 

 

JSM’s lack of frustration/annoyance with YJS in this moment makes me think that either JSM knew YJS was going to say something, possibly didn’t care that he said something, or she was so surprised that she just couldn’t think of what to say.  It really could be any of them.  However, seeing that Yoomin acted like their normal Yoomin selves (which is kind to each other) that makes me think that she was not mad/frustrated about his comment. Heck, she gave KJK more of a stare/glare in one of the games than anything that I could see towards YJS (She didn’t even stare/glare at YJS after this all happened and instead agreed with HH about getting food). So I think it safest to say that she didn’t really care that YJS spilled the tea, and might have been surprised. So, if JSM isn’t really upset that everyone knows she likes KJK, then that this great sign for the ship.  To me it reads like she has confidence and is not ashamed of how she feels. It was obvious in this episode that she is confident/comfortable in JK's house, and she doesn’t seem to care if people associate her with JK (even with everything going on JSM liked his most recent post in IG). This lack of annoyance with YJS, and her confidence/comfort with JK are other reasons that I think they are dating.  

 

 We all know that YJS has seen Kookmin interactions and had to wrangle them in previous episodes.  I see that happening in this episode, JSM putting on the sunglasses, when asked about the glasses she says, she found them laying around. This shows a level of comfort between her and JK by wearing his sunglasses without permission.  As soon as she answers, YJS throws in the LL to the put the brakes on kookmin.  So, in this moment where he brings up the phone call with JSM, YJS is not putting on the brakes, but putting his foot on the gas and speeding up the car, in my opinion (the opposite of what he normally does). It just doesn't make sense, because JSM was just wondering what KJK was spending his money on (she said nothing about relationships, in fact it was KJK that brought up a wife and kids).  Why bring attention to them?

 

 I think the reason why is that YJS and Kookmin are trying to bring a little attention/get people comfortable/float the idea that they might like each other and there could be more to them.  I just can’t see YJS sharing personal/private thoughts publicly without approval and/or a good reason. If they haven’t started dating, then this action by YJS doesn’t make a lot of sense.  It will get them lots of hate, could make it awkward for them, and potentially end it before it begins.   Some people might think that he could have slipped up, but I don’t think so.  Look at his eyes before he mentions the conversation, he thought about it and looked at the staff before talking.  He intentionally said it and JSM seemed ok with it at the time, but she wasn't ok (or playing along) when YJS tried to make a triangle out of it later with the sunglasses. This tells me that a LL triangle was not his original intention when he mentioned the phone call (it was JSJ that pulled in the LL in the beginning). 

 

Some JSM fans believe/think that she is dating someone (but they don’t think or aren’t sure it is JK).  If JSM was dating someone else, then she would not speculate about a marriage to JK (something even more serious than dating/relationship) in a private call to YJS.  Also, YJS would not be telling people JSM thinks about being married to JK, particularly if she was with someone else (even for ratings).  If JSM was with someone else, and YJS had mentioned this conversation by accident, then he would do what he did with Kwangmin and say that he doesn’t like the idea of the two of them and it would never work. 

 

 

I am firmly in the camp that they are dating (think it is getting serious), as always it will take dating/marriage news that they are with other people or a dramatic negative change in the way they interact to convince me they aren’t dating. If this happens, then I will still adore the both of them!

 

 

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When I saw this episode with subs all I could think in my head was NOT SIBLINGS!! LMAO  

 

Ok done with all caps but seriously I feel so vindicated!!  I knew that KJK did not see her as a sister, but having YJS confirm that JSM has also thought of him as a potential husband.  Based on the level of embarrassment that JSM had when YJS said that I know it was true and not a part of some LL.  If it was a part of a fake LL, then she would joke about it and potentially even flirt.  What I am surprised is that YJS called out the low-key behavior of JSM.  That question to JK, "You don't discard people either" was nothing really special in my mind (Jk is really loyal to his friends), maybe the tone and question conveys something differently in Korean culture, but I think if YJS hadn't said, "Why do you keep doing that KJK?" the moment would have just passed.  It was also YJS that mentioned something to SJH when she returned to get her to be fake jealous.  Why is he calling out this behavior?  Was this episode filmed before or after the release of the youtube video? I am still thinking about this because right now no possible answer seems right.  Is it just that Kookmin's chemistry is so obvious that he is trying to call it out so that it will stop? Hmmm.

 

This episode was amazing!! I have so many thoughts, but I want to say @kyoko22 I do think they were more open or off guard, but I think based on how much sweating KJK was doing he was nervous about something (more than the game).  I think you are right there is something weird going on (maybe very slow reveal of Kookmin).  I will be more hopeful if next weeks episode goes back to low-key Kookmin (I don't want it become a LL. Although they are more natural/have great chemistry, then I will start to wonder if it is not real. As the RM members, said they would never tease LL, if they were real).  That being said, there was so much skinship and the way that they looked at each other. . . well it was really hard to write the previous sentence. 

 

When I said that JSM supports the fake LL on her own terms (in an earlier post), the beginning of the episode was a good example.  She prompted SJH/initiated the LL by mentioning if she knew the pass code of the door and I believe the bike (I am going to rewatch the episode for my own enjoyment and maybe more thoughts).  Others also had to prompt SJH to get upset/fake jealous over the LL.  

 

Anyway, more thoughts to come and images later this week (want to hear everyone's thoughts). 

 

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@Lulu lolly I love what you have to say (thanks for the image) and you pointed out a scene that I also thought was telling!

 

 

53 minutes ago, Lulu lolly said:

JSM is just playing the pirate game with her sunglasses

Those aren't her sunglasses those are JK's.   She picked them up, they were under the coffee table, and put them on as if they belonged to her.  When they mentioned/said something about them (not sure but they pointed at her), then she eventually put JK's sunglasses back.  I only noticed because when they showed the coffee table earlier (before this happened), I noticed the sunglasses and thought that is weird place to put glasses.  Anyway, I love that she just grabbed them as if they were hers (didn't ask which is what she would normally do).  Also, based on not having subs only she and YSC were not stressed at JK's because both of their stress rates went down (or maybe it is the average stress rate) from where they were at the start of the show.  Just goes to show that she is really comfortable at JK's. 

 

Update: Also thank you @MandelBrot for the wonder gifs you have made me so happy (well and Kookmin has made me happy ). 

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MUD EP292

Ok so I have been holding on to this for a while (obviously the episode aired over a month ago and the time it filmed was in late April).  Something happened on the MUD episode where they were at the wedding, well actually many things happened.  

 

 

·  This is the episode where JK publicly declared that he knows he works out to much, and over the last year his opinion has changed and he needs to change.  Signaling to the public that he is growing and changing (more serious about finding someone). This is something that we have all noticed for a while, by just observing him on his shows, and the way he is changing his habits. However, MUD is national platform where he can make statements that the average viewer will see and notice.  MUD requires him to be a certain type of character (nagger and cheapskate), and the only way that will change is if he makes it clear that he wants to change it.  In the vlog he stated that he knows when you really care/love someone you let them do what they love (the opposite of nagging them), and I never bought that KJK would let his wife or children not have everything that they wanted (look at the way he treats his mother). 

 

Keeping Fridge Doors Open

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·  As I mentioned in my other post, about JK not liking people to just leave the fridge door open this once again became a topic of conversation.  He defended himself as you can see below and I think he is true to his word based on how he treated JSM lol. 

 

 

 

 

 

Doing Cute Things for Women

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·   The MUD guys started to tease JK because he did not want to wear a flashing headband, that they had brought for his birthday, and asked if this is how he would treat his wife.  I rolled my eyes, and said of course not, and so did KJK.  I knew he would not treat his wife the same way as his guy friends, because I think SM is right he is like a woman on the inside (and I mean that as a complement). Yes, he gets upset easily but that is because he sensitive, is usually gentle, and kind particularly to women, but that won’t stop him from teasing women he likes (his words not mine).  JSM is not the exception, JK will normally do what women want, but he usually always bends to what JSM wants with a smile and eagerness.  Episode 489 always comes to mind, because this was before I thought they were dating. He hates being cute or doing cute things, when JSM asks him to say ok in a cute way he did it without hesitation (even with a smile on his face).  Other women have gotten him to act cute when they asked but you could tell he was frustrated/annoyed.  The point is that he will do things he dislikes for women and particularly women he cares about. 

 

Yes, KJK would! He will tease whoever he dates to get her attention but then do what he can to make her happy. At least based on the way he interacts with JSM. 

 

 

 

According to KJK, he could date and marry if he wanted (vlog and on MUD).  I don't doubt JK and JK doesn't doubt  Tak Jae Hoon (TJH) when he says that he could get married.  These Bros were defending each other at the MUD get together. 

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·  Now, what was has been new recently(last 2-3 months) is JK's insistance that he could get married if he wanted to. You don’t tell millions of people that it is not that you can’t date/get married but that you don't. He said it in his vlog, but he has confidence when he speaks that makes it clear that he is dating someone.  In this episode he says something similar about THJ, you can see below.  Actually, they are both defending each other or trying to get others to leave them alone.  It reads to me like two guys that are dating people and are getting fed up of people saying they can’t date or find women. 

 

It started off with Jong Min continuing to tease JK, trying to bring up another reason why JK can't get married.  What was surprising is that someone stepped in to stop them.  Now, TJH could be doing it because it was his birthday celebration (in part), but as it went on it seemed more like TJH wanted to defend JK and himself when it came to relationships with women. 

The above was addressed to JK by TJH. 

 

Later it was JK's turn to back up TJH. 

 

Is it just me or do those words above by TJH seem familiar? Oh wait, that's right JK has almost use that exact phrase on his vlog and on MUD. 

I think the person that said right above is JK. 

 

Don't worry TJH, I don't doubt that you could get married tomorrow. 

JK says, "He Means it" translation TJH is seeing someone and JK knows. 

 

I think there is another instance in either this episode or another one where TJH (and some how JK gets pulled into to) that he said, they don't think we can get married we should show them (pretty sure it was something like that or maybe I am not remembering properly . . . so don't believe me fully because I am really doubting myself).

 

 

Did TJH accidentally start to mention JSM?

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·    Finally the most suspicious part, I think TJH messed up and accidentally almost mentioned JSM.  TJH was getting annoyed at others saying he was too old to date.  So he started to make comments about Sang Min to get back at him (tease him).  However, in his frustration and teasing Sang Min he accidently said the wrong name of the woman that Sang Min was interested in. You can see in the images below that he is looking at and talking to JK about Sang Min’s crush (TJH is actually leaning to look past people to talk only with JK) and he says, that women’s name is Jeon.  When in fact the woman’s last name was Moon.  Where did Jeon come from? That isn’t even close. I think as he was looking at JK and he thought of Jeon So Min.  JK also wonders, “where did Jeon come from?” I think he knows where it came from.  I think that they both know that the other one is dating which is why they were defending each other.  

 

At the point below, TJH has had enough of Sang Min.

You can't see but JK is cut off on left side.  TJH above and below is leaning back and looking past to JK. 

You can tell that JH is still mostly talking with JK when leaning forward. Also, I forgot to include the image, but after JH's comments above they cut back to JK commenting about how Sang Min's reaction is not right. JK said something like, you read something into it just because she smiled.  


This was JK above, no one else cared or asked a follow up.  However, I had the same question as JK.  Where did Jeon come from?  What made that name pop into his mind? Could it be looking at JK?  I think so but I am a Kookmin shipper.  My brain just likes to make connections between these two.  This has just been nagging at me since I saw it last month.  Here is some more Delulu - This instance is another reason why I wonder if they went to Lotte World together.  Could JK have mentioned to TJH his plans with JSM?  Is that why Jeon was on his mind? I know it is a stretch, but I do love to try and figure out Kookmin (they are like a fun puzzle lol)!                      

 

I know . . . I know I have problem, but I don't care .

 

 

 

 

If you didn’t watch the episode, I would check out the last 1/3^rd where they are talking.  It is annoying seeing them tease each other/tear each other down.  However, watching the interaction between JK and TJH is worth it for me. 

 

Looking forward to Sunday at JK's house!

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5 hours ago, kyoko22 said:

Please please. Write some more. i love to read your analysis. 

Thanks and I will! I already have somethings that I want to mention from MUD episode 292 and a little more from the vlog. I will probably post again in the next two days. 

 

I do think that the two of them are giving really strong couple vibes.  When JSM posted on May 21st other images of the Lotte carousel I thought maybe it is a coincidence that it is the same day that KJK was suppose to be leaving for Denmark (or was it arriving in Denmark).  After Sunday, I started to think maybe there really was a connection between her post and him being out of the country.   I am so hoping that JSM goes to LA!!

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@kyoko22 Thanks so much! I guess that means that JSM really likes that green shirt (wearing it twice in less than two weeks).  Really liked your Lotte World thoughts! I’m so glad you posted about that because it really looks like she was on a date. 

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Woohoo!! Someone else hears it too thanks @MandelBrot!  Also, let me be really clear I almost wrote that post saying they were the same shirt lmao. You have me convinced just with some more images .  At first I really thought it was the same shirt, but I doubted it because I thought it was just me wanting to see things that weren’t there. In my head, if that is the same shirt than that would be even more couple vibe suspicious for me because I do think it’s her BF’s shirt.  Just the thought of JSM being cheeky enough to where her BF’s shirt to the vlog shoot is hilarious but the thought that it’s JK’s will feed my delulu for months .  If she is dating someone other than KJK, then I feel sorry for JK because that boy is so attracted to her.  Him trying to come up with a way to buy her plane ticket is adorable.  Anyway, glad someone else sees and hears it too!

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Side Note: I am also not able to put likes or other things on some comments.  I can for people who have been posting awhile but there are 3 people on this page that I cannot leave a like/insightful for.  Hopefully, this will get fixed soon!

 

So, I have loved reading everyone’s thoughts about the vlog and recent events.  I do have some thoughts and some delulus/theories about Kookmin. To cut down on the length of the post I am going to put a lot of my thoughts in the spoiler sections. 

 

Lotte World

 

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First I will start with the thoughts.  Did anyone else notice from the episode this week that KJK really wanted to go to Lotte World and that JSM was silent about Lotte World (she was giving thumbs up to the idea).   JK was saying that he would enjoy it, and I all could think was that I knew that already lol.  Like @kyoko22 I also thought that she was on a date at Lotte World (and it could be JK).   When I put her caption into Papago naver translate this is what it says “He said he couldn't sleep after coming back“ now I know translators can be wrong.  So, I would really appreciate anyone here that knows the exact translation please let me know how right or wrong this is.  Based on this translation I was wondering who “He” is (Again, assuming that it actually means He)?  As I like to acknowledge my Kookmin bias, I obviously thought that it is KJK.  So, when he kept going on about how that is something that he would want to do and/or that he would enjoy I felt so happy!  It also made me really curious as to why JSM didn’t say anything about the fact that she was there only a month and a half ago.  Normally, when she does something that relates to filming she always happily shares that information.  It is suspicious to me.

 

All the positive comments about Lotte World below are KJK.  When he says below, "I can do it. All you need to do is sit" you can see that his hand and fingers are pointed in the direction of JSM (unconscious/subconscious movement on his part addressing his comment to the person that he is most interested to talk too).  Also, you can see that he is talking to JSM because she is looking at him while he is speaking even though you can't see his face.  

 

Delulu  - I know you like Lotte World because JSM shared that on IG lol.  Seriously though I do think that they went together as a birthday thing for him.  What I am also surprised about is that we now know that KJK looks at JSM's IG (thanks to vlog) and even if he wasn't the one with her at Lotte World he would still know that she had just been there.  Why didn't he mention it?  He has no problem mentioning other things that she posts on IG or things that she likes.  Again, the lack of mentioning Lotte World by JSM is very sus.

 

 

Now for some theories/delulu!

 

JSM’s Green Shirt in GymJK Vlog (couple shirt ?)

 

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Ok, so someone asked here if they were wearing couple shirts in GYM vlog (not 100% sure but I think the answer is no).  However, that got me thinking that I have seen that green shirt from the vlog before.  I thought that JSM had worn this shirt before and posted in her IG (back on the 6th), but it wasn't.  However, that got me thinking about these two green shirts.  First, I think she was on date based on the June 6th IG photos.  Second, I think that green shirt from the vlog is a different one than the one she posted on IG.  Initially, I thought they were the same shirt because they have the same red square like symbol on the shirt and maybe it was shadows that made it look darker.  

 

However, they are two different shirts which I find weird/suspicious that she would have two shirts one of which is a very large man’s shirts from the same brand that might be slightly different shades of green. In the vlog you can tell they are different shirts because they are different sizes (look at where the seam of the sleeve falls on her arm).  The shirt from the IG post is larger because the seam hits the mid part of her upper arm. The one in the vlog is a smaller size but they both have the same red symbol/brand.  

 

So she wore the first green shirt after filming running man on the 5^th(she has the exact same hair style from the shoot that day).  If the photos were taken the next day, then she would have a different hair style.  The reason I think it was a date is because it is clear that someone else took the photos and we are never shown who it is (this is the same for when she went to Lotte World).  I know it wasn’t Wookmin who took the photos because he commented on the post “Let's go play!” which implies that he wants to go not that he is playing.  So that means it is less likely that the really large man’s shirts belongs to Wookmin (again assumptions based on potentially inaccurate translations), 

 

 

 

(delulu time) but maybe . . . it belongs to some other larger/muscular man who gave her a shirt to change into after filming was over. I will also say that the filming on the 5th was KJK’s return from Denmark episode. So maybe they wanted to spend time together after filming. 

 

Even more suspicious because why would she be buying/getting this very large man’s shirt and why get a smaller version of the same shirt? I know she likes green, but this is my delulu time so stay with me.  When looking at her style and what she likes to normally wear (something not picked out by a stylist) she tends to pick sweats/lounge wear, t-shirts, jeans or shorts, and hats but all of the clothing fits her (not shirts that are 2-3 sizes too big). This is why I think that this shirt from the 5th belongs to someone else potentially JSM’s boyfriend.  Maybe these green shirts are couple shirts? Oh delulu you brighten my day .

 

 

 

 

Vlog thoughts

 

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What I wonder is when did they film this vlog? It was either around the time he was about to leave for Denmark or after KJK’s return from Denmark, because he made a joke about SeChan and golf not suiting him, he made that joke in running man before he hopped a flight to Europe.  So I think they filmed it after his return. I’m just not sure if they filmed the vlog after the 5^th but I think so. 

 

Anyway here are my thoughts on the vlog

I think the vlog is JK’s way of telling everyone that he has a different MBTI than SJH.  I am just happy that he invited the guest that is special to him to take the test with him. 

 

I just love the way that he looks at her while she is talking (you can tell he is really trying to listen).

For those of you who have watched the MUD episode, where they came over to his house and teased him about how frustrated he got about having the fridge open for a long time.  They said that if you want to date that you can't treat a woman like that.  KJK said that he would not treat his wife like that, and that they were different, he would not care if his wife stood in front of the fridge with the door open for a long time.  This thought was running through my head as she was trying to decide what she wants.  He never complained and happily gave her anything that she wanted. lol

JSM really wants to go and is willing to pay for it herself.  JK body language says he really likes her (shoulders facing her and touching his lips while talking/looking at her). I think the reason he asked if she can rap is so that he can pay for her trip as business expense. 

 

Finally, what I find really telling/interesting is that when they are talk about how it would look if she went there alone.  They both look at the either his manager or PD to see how they are reacting to this idea.  JSM almost looks like she is begging with her eyes that they are ok with the idea of her coming on her own.  What I wonder is why they are looking to others trying to read their reaction/thoughts if they are just business.  So many cute moments in the vlog with their body language, content, and laughing.  Seeing Kookmin naturally interact proves to me that minimum they are really great/best friends and my honest thoughts they are dating and it is more serious.  I do not understand the people that call them siblings.  When KJK is referring to them as potential lovers that means he does not see her as a sister . The way he kept touching his lips means he potentially has kissing on his mind or sending signals that he is interested in her.   Anyway, these are just some of my thoughts I have more but I have already written way too much lmao!

 

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I am going to have two post one about what everyone is currently talking about and the next one is more about analysis and theories about recent kookmin events (so loved the vlog and have watched it too many times  ). 

 

I agree with @kyoko22about YJS is making this worse, but I also think that the writers on the show are getting lazy and relying heavily on the LL, members, and viewers to generate content.  To be fair to YJS, the show put him on the spot to come up with something for them to do for an hour (they should have given him a heads up that this was a possibility).  Of course, he is going to go with something that is easy like pushing the LL when he knows there are many fans of the LL. I do recognize that it is difficult after 12 years to come up with new ideas and sometimes it is easier/nicer to ask the audience what they want.  The problem is that KJK is not an actor (not easy to hide what he is feeling) and doesn’t want to give fans false hope to believe the LL is real, because he knows the backlash he and the show will face (not mention anyone he is really seeing).  

 

However,  I will also say that YJS, HH, KJK, and SJH have all said the LL is fake, KJK has said he sees SJH as family, and for fans not get their hopes up. How much more clear do they need to be (so frustrated)?  KJK has done more to deny a relationship with SJH the last 6 months to year than even the other LL that he gets teased about (even though recently he said he wished she would get married so it would stop). I know he says that he tries not to engage, but that is with the LL that is 20s years old (and it is obviously not going to happen).  He does make efforts to squash the current LL.  It is not completely the members fault that certain fans don’t hear those repeated comments and instead focus on obvious over the top fake moments.  Yes, in the end the only thing left JK can do is put out a statement and distance himself even more from SJH, but that probably won't happen unless he is planning on making another relationship announcement. 

 

If those fans were really paying attention to what people have genuinely said on the show and on other programs, then what happened on the show on Sunday should not be surprising (KJK has been fed up with LL for a long time and his fans know it).  KJK is now even wanting to distance himself from SJH outside of the show (doesn’t want her to come to LA) because he doesn’t want the LL to be teased or give false hope.  I think what happened with KJK and SJH was an accident brought about by real frustration and was obviously not intentional.  JSM has also become the one to calm him down or make him laugh when he gets too frustrated.  She only encourages the LL on her terms/when she is ok with it.   

 

Someone asked if we think the other members know, and yes I think they all do.  Something happened in the last episode (did not make it in the episode but appeared in youtube clip).  When JSM was waving to KJK and SJH before they went down the slide together SJH said something.  It sounded like, "Somin are you okay", but I can't be certain the audio is not clear and she says it really fast.  You all can listen for yourselves and tell be what you hear (the clip is on jeonjeonprincess on IG).  She could be saying something else besides are you ok, but it is directed at JSM and if you look at SJH face you can see that she is worried about JSM.  If what I heard was accurate, then I think she is worried that her going down with JK is upsetting to JSM.

 

Thanks @MandelBrot for the image. 

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the whole part of the bus is very interesting

@MandelBrot Yes it is! I have never been so happy with a bus chat in all the years that I have watched running man. 

 

I don't want to ruin it for those that haven't seen it and want to experience it themselves. For those that want to know then read the spoiler (no image just a synopsis of what happens).  

 

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When they first get on the bus they ask if they have to sit with their teams and were told yes.  JSM is already in the back and wants to sit by KJK, but he says something about they will want or she should sit with the male guest that they were forcing a LL with (I say forcing because JSM repeatedly tried to stop it).  Anyway, JSM says its ok oppa and starts to sit next to KJK, but he directs the male guest to sit next to him because he came on the bus right after SM.  So SM has to sit by the window.  KJK makes it clear twice that he does not like sitting by them and even uses the word "uncomfortable" being next to them.  The show tries to play it off like he is being cheeky trying to set them up but he has no mischievous smile and looks really upset/uncomfortable about having JSM sit next to the guy. 

 

The best part starts to happens around the 48 min mark.  Here are the things that are revealed:

• One of the male guests is rooting for the shows lovelines Chanmin and SA and they think there is possibility. 
• Both HH and YJS said that SA LL is not real and just for the show.  YJS goes further and ask people to not hope they are a couple.  I have never seen him be this direct except when shooting down Kwangmin.  
• JSJ says, you don't know SA might be dating in real life and YJS is like COME ON! YJS even says, if they were real we wouldn't tease them on the show.  OMG!! Did I just hear that right!?! We have been saying this for years and it confirms that if Kookmin is real (which they are lol) then the show will not draw attention/tease them about a relationship for ratings.  Even when JSM flirted with KJK in the opening last week (for a skit), YJS smacked her head in a way that was like what the heck are you doing flirting with him.  Even SJH asked JSM last week, why do you keep doing that (flirting with KJK)?  The answer because she feels comfortable and wants to!
• JSJ says that if SA get married, then he will buy them two major appliances (this to me is JSJ back handed way of saying that it will never happen, it seems like a supportive statement but he knows they are not real and will not have to follow through).
• However, JSJ says that no one believes that JSM and YSC will happen/are real.  
• The guest restated his earlier statement about Chanmin and their still being a possibility, and this pissed off KJK. He stares the guest down and asks him if this is an objective opinion (the tone is cold and annoyed).  
• The guest even asks him why he is staring so scarily, or something like that, at him.  My question is if they are not dating, then why is he so angry about Chanmin LL being potentially real, I have not even seen him this angry (not fake angry) when they tease the SA LL.

 

 

 

 

There is so much vindication for our ship being real in this episode.

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There are so many highly sus things in this episodes. . . the list seems to never end but can I just talk about shoes or new shoes for one moment (See Part 2 Video Below).  This scene so feeds into my Kookmin are dating and they are constantly doing things like this. This is something so small to notice about someone. Maybe I am wrong and people are constantly staring at peoples feet and shoes but I don't think so (please let me know if you think I am wrong).  Usually, it small details like this that someone who is really close to you would notice.  So, why the heck does KJK know those aren't her shoes. . . no I mean it seriously. . .why does he know her outfits and shoe collection so well that he can point that out.

 

 In my life, outside of myself, I can think of only two people who know all the shoes that I own (and this was at different times).  Before I got married, it was my best friend who hung out with me all the time and I went shopping with (we still go shopping but I don't think she knows all my shoes and outfits), and now its my significant other.  Now, the only other reason besides them being best friends or dating is that they both decided to talk with each other before the cameras were on about the shoes they were wearing, but that seems a little weird and why point that out (besides the fact that JK loves talking about the little things with JSM).  Someone could say, if you follow KJK's insta he loves to post images of shoes/feet. So maybe that is why JSM knows that he is wearing new shoes, but that would have to mean she keep extensive track of the shoes he wears and knows that he has never posted them before (this would make her a really hard core fan). Again, this is me stretching to come up with other reasons that they both know what shoes the other owns.  

 

Thank you @Rahayu Muktiayu for giving us all these video clips (rewatched them way to much here and on twitter)!

 

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I don't want to make comparison's either but is anyone raising an eyebrow about why KJK asked SJH to save his name as "Pepper Orabeonim" instead of "Pepper Oppa". He himself said there is not much difference between the meaning of Oppa and Orabeoni anyways.

 

I did some research and saw that the term Orabeoni is the more outdated and formal way to say "elder brother"  which can be used to show respect for a slightly older male. According to one native speaker, it is now mainly used in a comedic sense. Whereas oppa (as we all know) can have different meanings depending on the context and is more informal e.g. can be used to mean elder brother or boyfriend or someone handsome etc

@Lulu lolly I also agree with your comment that KJK was drawing a line when he asked SJH to change his name to a more formal version of brother (on top of calling her family repeatedly last week on Problem Child in the House), but had no problem with JSM calling him oppa in her phone.  

 

He also said on PCITH, that he never wants women to get the wrong idea so he is kind but not too kind (I think he or SJH said something like tough love).  Well he has no issues with JSM crossing all of the lines repeatedly (tickling the chin omg I love that and no one else could pull it off without him getting confused, angry, or annoyed).  

 

Finally, JSM fake punching him (so cute and his reaction was flustered/sweet).  What I find suspicious is that HH, YSC, and not sure but JSJ were teasing her about going and leaving while following the butterfly. She said nothing to them and does nothing. However, the only person that she focused on or got fake annoyed with was KJK.  It's like she can only hear him or care about what he says, which is why he gets fake punches.   

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"but why dduksan choose this photo???"

@MandelBrot Yes!!! Exactly!!! This picture is from 2019, the night that JSM sang with KJK at his concert. The night no one mentions but us shippers .  This is the second year that he has posted this same photo on KJK's birthday.   At least last year, he didn't make it the only photo for his bday. This year it is just this one. Of all the photos that he has of KJK, the two of them, or even of running man people with KJK . . . why this one?!  If you are shipper of Kookmin, you know why lol.  I am not sure what the subbed episode will reveal and really don't care.  Their body language speaks louder than anything they or the members say (JSM can barely keep her hands off of him, gives him looks of adoration, mirroring, and KJK makes every effort to fix his hair or clothes when he is looking at her).  That being said, KJK mentioning JSM on his new show and shooting down the other LL was a highlight to my week (it wasn't a great week so yup that made me smile). This photo was icing on the Bday cake for me. 

 

In honor of the second year, that JSM has been deemed important enough to make the bday post, I am uploading the confession of love song/concert of our kookmin.  Favorite line from the song (which embodies Kookmin), "Everybody I see asks me . . What's going on between you and me?".  Yup, I want to know!

 

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So, I love this forum for so many reasons, but today the reason is how easy it is to go back and make connections from kookmin in the past to present.  I know other people on this forum have mentioned/hinted on twitter and IG that they wonder who took all the photos of JSM (who belongs to that shadow above) . . . I actually think the image above is Wookmin here because this was taken while she was on her first break from the show (because she was sick and needed to rest) but I believe, and I could be wrong, she and Wookmin both posted about this day.  The one from Wookmin is an image from spring 2020 but most of the images seem to be from last spring 2021 and her time on Jeju after filming RM (and I really don't think those were taken by Wookmin and I am suspicious of who took the other images of JSM because a couple seem rather close/intimate).  I will talk about the images from Jeju a little later. 

 

Since we are kookmin here, the last photo in her post, reminded me of a kookmin moment.  I remembered when she first colored her hair and showed it off on RM.  KJK was the one drawing attention to her changing her hair color and complementing her (something about her looking pretty or almost looking russian).  Can't remember exactly what he said in episode 497 or 207 of the forum.  While she was resting and after she returned to show we got some of the most wonderful Kookmin interactions on social media, such as, JK posting her happy birthday wishes, and on the show he said that he will take care of her.  He was true to his word because when she returned he could not stop touching her or protecting her (oh the skinship lol).

 

JSM said in her caption on this post that these are "the records I miss" if translation is wrong . . . oh well I have to use translation sites.  Anyway, she is feeling nostalgic and when she is thinking back she must really be missing her time (or someone) when she was on Jeju. 

 

When I first looked at her posts on IG for myself, I forgot to watch the video with the sound on, but when I finally heard the background music well I got super happy!  Now the video of her painting the bowl is obviously something that she recorded herself, but what got me was the song in the background playing. Yes, I was triggered in a good way because I love that version of I Love You Baby by Surf Mesa (yes even before JSM posted it on IG).  What that song triggered in me was the memory of when JSM used it in first reels on IG because I was so thrilled that she liked that song too (also wondered at the time who recorded her in that video).  

 

Anyway, my point is this, the photo of her with her phone (purple jacket and black hat) was when she recorded for that reels, back in May 2021, it was either that day or the next one that JK posted I Love You.  It is getting close to a year, and the moments from this week still make my heart flutter as a kookmin shipper.  They shared similarities in their videos and this is when she kissed his shoulder.  It makes me so happy to think, if the record she is missing is I Love You baby, then I pretty sure I know who she is thinking about (whether JK took the photos or not lol).  I don't know about all of you, but I hope JK takes her Jeju!  Since JSM is missing these times/records then I think we can take time to remember too. 

 

Thank you @Rahayu Muktiayu for recording this moment on Twitter and @MandelBrot on this forum (pg 318). 

 

 

 

 

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@minuses I didn’t know they were your videos, but Thank You (almost accidentally put that in all caps and was very close to keeping it that way lol) because I obviously enjoy them!! I’m only speaking for myself, and I know I’ve been more silently reading lately, but I’m happy if your videos might bring more supportive kookmin shippers here.  The truth is we’ve always had antis that either lurk or publicly hate, but that hasn’t stopped this forum or our ship.  I like this ship/forum because we go about our business (not targeting other forums or ships), and we brush off the haters because we realize that shipping is for fun. I ship kookmin because they are WONDERFUL (caps intended) people, that care about each other, and that have great chemistry.  Rant done!  I am super excited for this week’s episode (JK’s fortune and SM telling fortunes). 

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So I want to throw in some thoughts that I had about the last two episodes.  

 

Episode 584

Really quickly, if you have watched the Kookmin Moments RM 584 youtube video, then I want to share my favorite couple of seconds (yup I have watched it so much that I have a favorite couple of seconds ).  If you watch from 3:37-3:43, then you will see KJK just melting for JSM. The first 4 secs (3:37-3:41) he is giving side eye/small glare and yes he is even pouting (this is more clear at the 3:30 mark ) all of this is when he is looking at YSC.

 

However, then KJK starts to look at JSM. When he sees JSM get a smile on her face (in that one-two seconds 3:41-43) you see his eyes become soft, warm, happy, his head does this microscopic tilt to the side, and you start to see a smile finally coming to the corners of his mouth.

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It gives me all the feels and you can’t fake that level of reaction (unless maybe you are a very talented actor and realistically why would he fake it?). The boy is smitten with JSM and no one will change my mind on that!  I am so thankful to the creator of this video because if they didn’t go back and slow this part down I would have missed it in real time. These couple of seconds would have all happened in a second or less than a half a second, which I know I would not be able to catch. These micro expressions that people have are easy to miss and more importantly are almost impossible to fake.  So, yup, I am one happy kookmin shipper!

 

Episode 585

 

The Fortune Teller part is what got me happy this episode because JSM, KJK, the Fortune Teller were giving away lot about kookmin. I agree with everything that @minuses had to say about this part of RM (particularly in regards to "Is that the reason I can't have a boyfriend?” with JSM pointing her arm/hand waving done by JSM to KJK) and the videos provided by @Rahayu Muktiayushow almost all of the things that I saw/were thinking. 

 

Other thoughts on 585-

 

First, in @minuses post above, in the section "Focus on your work, not dating.", I was paying attention to KJK and the Fortune Teller after he says “You might end up with someone who could damage your reputation”. 

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 So, I am not sure, if the fortune teller was reading KJK and JSM’s body language and faces (so he knows something is going on), but he did something very weird.  The Fortune Teller addressed his next comment about JSM to KJK, then turned his head to finish the statement to JSM.  The Fortune Teller said "So, I'd like you to focus on your work for the next two years".

 

 

KJK seems disappointed in his facial expression and he tilts his head down so (makes it harder to see his disappointment), but he also does a slight nod as if he knows this is for the best and is in agreement with the statement.  I think JK knows how important JSM’s career is to her and how she needs to focus on that, but he still seems upset about it.  For those that don’t think there is anything going on between them (they are just friends/family), then why would he look disappointed/dejected by this news?  You should be happy for your friend that is going to have professional success. Some will say that he is sad because he knows JSM wants a relationship, and you can see her facial expression is not happy. However, I don’t think he has shown this sort of disappoint for another female friend's love life. 

You can see below that the Fortune Teller spoke to KJK another time about signing documents. I included the image above so that you can see what it looks like when he actually addressing JSM. 

 

This is my favorite part below because she is getting excited about signing contracts and immediately looks at KJK, while she is looking at him she hears "you should focus on work this year" which triggers the most hilarious statement I've heard from her. 

 

When you look at KJK one of the first thoughts is, "but what I want to do is kiss". 

Nothing is wrong with JSM she knows what she wants and won't stop staring at it lol. 

 

I would love for KJK and JSM to sign a marriage contract this year, but can you imagine if they got married (or heck if JSM married anyone this year) while the LL’s were still going on (people would lose their $h*t). I think the fortune teller is right that JSM needs to get away from flirting/LL with YSC because this is the thing that I think people will feel the most mislead about. They both have made it clear repeatedly that they are not interested in each other that way. It’s best that they take a step back from the LL’s this year, which means less flirting for JSM (and sadly less opportunity for us to see KJK jealous), but I don’t know if we will be that lucky (fingers crossed). 

He says stop it, but the smile he had on his face just a few seconds earlier says that he was enjoying her pouting about not getting to kiss. 

 

 

Second, other random kookmin moments from the fortune telling (they are out of order.)

 

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Kookmin is not fond of the LL between JSM and YSC.  Heck, even YSC is not fond of the LL between himself and JSM.  They can't make it more clear that their flirting is for gain (SBS award show). No one on the show even supports this couple.  However, it continues and probably will because their interactions are still some of the highest ratings spikes for the show.  I get that people mistake YSC's being flustered around JSM as though he is attracted to her, but as kookmin shipper I think he is flustered for other reasons . . .cough cough KJK.  Also, I think that it is natural to get nervous when people flirt with you even if you are not interested, but I don't think he is nervous because he likes JSM in a romantic way (maybe sometime in the past but not now).  

KJK has been listening to JSM in the image above.  What I liked/found interesting is that when he listened to her what he heard her saying was frustration at being rejected and not that she can't have a romantic a relationship with YSC. 

If you look at YSC's facial expression, he looks like his pride is also hurt by what JSM is saying. 

I think KJK is right that it does hurt her self-esteem/pride when she has to be rejected continually by YSC (for the sake of ratings).  I understand that some ship them and for others in the audience it might be funny to see a beautiful woman being rejected by someone who is not thought to be traditionally handsome. If the situation were reversed and JSM was consistently rejecting YSC, then people would not find it funny and would probably call her names. 

 

 

Another Kookmin Moment

So, KJK always has stuff to contribute when it comes to JSM. The fortune teller said the comment below about how JSM is with her BF.  I am not sure exactly what JK said because they did not subtitle it, but it sounded like he was agreeing with his statement. 

JK said the same word after the fortune teller made the statement above (again it sounds like agreement but again no subtitles).  However, you can only briefly hear JK's voice right before the fortune teller says the comment below.  I wish I could mute the fortune teller, so I could hear exactly what JK is saying. 

 

There are other moments where JK puts in his thoughts about JSM 

 

FT to JSM :You are a bit distracted.

KJK: It's a serious problem.

Me: LMAO only you would know jk only you would know.  Basically, anytime JSM was brought up he has thoughts (and so do I about the two of you). 

 

 

 

Finally, When the fortune teller said that JSM was spiritual and could be a shaman all I could think of was the MUD episode where he had his tarot cards read and the woman he would be with would be spiritual.  I am not someone who really believes in fortune telling, but the coincidences always make me happy as a shipper, and I know that JSM and KJK believe in those things. 

 

 

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Ok so where to being with last week.  I guess I will start with something that made me so happy, SM's pledge/oath and I love you pink kook.   First I will say, that I do think that she meant this and it was not just to drum up support, and KJK did know/show a reaction to her statement and it was his patented touch the back of the neck when he is flustered/nervous (See Images in Spoiler).  

Also, I will say that I watched the episode on a different website that makes it easier to rewind so most things will have time stamps but sadly other stuff which makes the dialogue harder to read (you can't have it all or so they say). 

 

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So once I knew what the pink writing meant I needed to know when she wrote (was it before or after YJS did his pledge).  If it was after, then it might be to tease KJK about LL's or make him feel better because she knows that they annoy him.  However, you can see from the images below that she starts off with the black marker and uses the pink before YJS gives his pledge/oath.  So the reason she wrote I love you pink kook was either because she wanted support from him, she meant it, or it is both (and this is what I believe).  The fact that no one commented about her writing that means they don't want to draw attention, but to me that makes it more suspicious.  You could easily just tease KJK that everyone wants to get on his good side or something about another LL, but they don't. I think the reason that don't say anything is that KJK would not know how to react.   

 

 

You can see above and below that she has not written the pink yet.

 

Below is when she just picks up the pink marker and starts writing (she does pick up the black marker again to add to her list but that is later after YJS).

 

Now below is another interesting part because you see them both getting up and move to KJK before YJS has given his pledge.  However, they cut this scene and next thing we see is that both JSJ and JSM are sitting back down without any explanation.  So KJK could have seen her pledge before she actually went and presented what the audience saw. 

When JSM is back in her seat she starts writing with black marker again (this is the part were I assume she adds more to her list). She did pick up the pink marker but put it back down without actually using it. 



 

When she finally makes it up the second time this is what I saw. KJK staring at her sheet so he is either seeing the message here because it is where her right hand is (or maybe he saw it earlier) but he starts to have a smile before she has really shown off the pledge.  

This is how I know that KJK knows what is on the sheet because he pats the back of his neck but catches himself doing it and very quickly stops. You can see from the time stamps that the action is less than a second. 

 

So below what she says, "Here are the things about me you should know" and with the placement of her fingers it makes me feel like this very intentional.  She is wanting to draw attention to I Love Pink Kook, but the motivation, as I said above, is potentially for support (but she knows that this doubtful) and/or want to convey what people should know about her .

 

 

 

 

So, the next thing that made me suspicious in this episode was why did YJS cast his vote for her? If he is not wanting to push romance on the show as a part of pledge to KJK, then her I Love You does not make sense and he even said that she is not qualified.  What changed his mind from the end of her oath to the voting process (yes I realize that he could not vote for himself but there were others instead of JSM that he could have voted for)?  My belief is that YJS knows how to read people and he was paying attention to her. The events that unfolded that seemed to have some effect on JSM were the pledges of SJH and Mijoo (to the screen shots).

 

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So I am using the image below as a baseline for JSM.  She smiles as a default in front of the camera but they are not her most genuine smiles or laughs because it doesn't this smile does not affect her eyes or nose. 

Below is when SJH is starting on her oath and you can see that SM's smile is less big and she is just absorbing the information.

However, 10 seconds later when she hears SJH say that she loves him this is her face.  You can see that she still has the smile but it is more of a stress smile (like I don't like this but I can't show it).  She corrects this and goes back to her baseline smile in less than a couple of seconds because I assume she caught herself.  What is also important in this image is that the only people who seem happy or surprised by what SJH said is HH the lover of pushing fake LL's and the two guests are smiling.  JSJ does not even bother to engage/look and is more concerned with his pledge.  What gets me though is YJS.  It looks like he is looking at JSM, but even if he is not what is most important is that his initial reaction to the LL is indifference and not teasing. YJS does not start to push it like HH does.

Above baseline smile (I'm on TV smile) and KJK makes the comment above.  So, when HH teases the LL the first time above KJK does not really engage/denies the LL.

However, it is not until YJS who really amps up the LL talk that then triggers KJK anger/annoyance and rejection of the LL.  Sometimes, I suspect that YJS hypes up the LL with two intentions to drum up viewership for the show from certain international fans but more importantly to give KJK an opportunity to deny it and show how he really feels.  

 

 

Below- KJK demand of YJS is demeaning but JSM seems to be more pleased and happy than she was (I love her big wide happy laugh smile and so does KJK ).  

The face on KJK below is serious and angry about the pushing of the LL. His tone was serious, as well.  YJS has once again give KJK an opportunity to make his feelings clear.  

 

 

The other reason that I think YJS voted for JSM is below.  JSM was genuinely mad about KJK playing along with Mijoo.  I know she loves Mijoo, but KJK broke a dating rule for JSM, which is why she was more upset with him than with her.  What rule to you ask?  

 

Remember back to the episode when she was giving dating advice/ persuading people to her view point and KJK was happy that she was on his team (I believe it is the episode where they talked in the parking lot, she still picked LKS, and ended up giving him a massage to win back his favor but I am not a 100%).  

 

Anyway, she made it clear in one of the scenarios, that if a boyfriend and girlfriend, and one of the girlfriend's female friends were hanging out, then the boyfriend should not offer up his coat to the girlfriend's female friend.  If you want more of reminder than go to page 286 of this forum and my post on that page with the second question. 

 

 

 I understood JSM's original point, which is that if the friend is cute/popular with guys and you aren't sure of the friend's taste in men than the boyfriend should not give up his coat.  Basically, boyfriends should focus on their girlfriends even if it seems like they are just wanting to be nice.  

 

So, hear me out, in this scenario KJK is playing along with the skit (giving up his coat if you will) with cute/popular friend Mijoo, which made the girlfriend really annoyed.  JSM as she points out, had worked long and hard for four years to get that perk from him, and then he goes and just gives it up easily for her friend lmao (I would be annoyed too).  I was not surprised that KJK thought that he was doing something nice/helpful for a friend of JSM's, because he originally thought this when they discussed the coat scenario. 

 

Everyone is shocked that KJK went along with it, but it literally got SM out of her seat!! This was the most animated that I saw her in the entire episode.  YJS was also in shock, and if he hadn't come out and said something (again sort of feels like a smoke screen), then it would have been really obvious just how upset JSM was by this.  Others initially were surprised and shocked, but were most were sitting down and some were even smiling (that is until JSM stands up).  Once JSM is up then others start to stand. 

Below KJK is looking at JSM and is genuinely surprised that she is shocked/upset that he would help out her friend. 

Now he is trying to defend himself not to YJS but it looks like he talking to JSM. 

 

If you were ever wondering what JSM looked like when she is truly upset the next 3 slides will show you.  

 

YSC below (OMG I so love his face here ) is like oh you are in soooo much trouble bro and yet we never get to really see KJK's reactions to JSM's rant (wonder why)!  SJH even looks like she is saying you are in so much trouble with her face. lol 

 

How do I know that JSM is not mad at Mijoo about this skit because of the image below, and at the end of the episode when she has her on the ground fake pulling her hair she is giving her kisses on the forehead.  In the image you can see that this is no baseline smile. She is genuinely laughing at Mijoo and the pick me dance.  I will give JSM credit that she does not blame the friend for the actions of the boyfriend lol. 

 

Anyway, back to my original point, which is . . .  all of this is why YJS voted for JSM because he knew that she was having a rough moment between LL's, KJK playing along with Mijoo, and I wish he hadn't said but even calling Mijoo an ungraded version of JSM (yikes dude that won't help later ).  I will say that after this moment KJK did not give Mijoo anymore preferential treatment.  Hmm I wonder why . . .  

 

 

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Quick something about the KJK's youtube video.  As we all know, and it was mentioned here KJK helps to direct/edit all of the videos before they are posted.  When I saw that moment were JSM grabs/holds on to his two fingers, which she did not have to do at all (it would have been more natural to just move/let go), well I was smiling from ear to ear!  

 

Most people would not try to hold fingers with someone they are not dating (it would just be awkward thing to do).  JSM has made it very clear in her magazine interview and other places that even with male friends eyeship is the only thing that she is ok with (although to be fair I could see her laughing really hard at something and punching someone in the arm lol). I know for work she has to physically interact but that is work. However, this was a candid behind the scenes moment and she made this choice.  Normally, we use KJK to judge what is going on with them, but twice this year JSM has blown my mind with skinship with KJK (this time and on screen with the arm hug and shoulder kiss). Yes, I know that both of these are short moments, but I cannot shake that they did not get edited out.  

 

Sure, maybe RM is paying fan service to a tiny subset of RM fans (kookmin clan), but that seems almost an absurd thing to do because we are a tiny ship that supports kookmin (and most of the time we discourage people on this ship from bothering KJK and JSM) and it would upset a much bigger ship/viewer base.

 

As for KJK, including this moment in his video.  Well that makes no sense whatsoever!!  I mean defending SM from YSC's comment that she has a lot of staff, ok that is something you would do for a friend.  He knows how popular the other ship is and it reflects in the number of views he receives.  Also, KJK has made it clear he hates LL's and feels sorry for women that get associated with him because of the potential hate they could receive. So leaving this moment where JSM initiates skinship with him is so suss.  Really it would be a quick cut to completely remove her gesture.  For those that would say that maybe he didn't notice or did not think anything big about it.  Again, the editor(KJK) drew attention to the interactions with the cast, and KJK would never want people to get the wrong idea about him and JSM, because it could potentially hurt her.  We know how much hate she has gotten in the past from certain RM fans.  So, keeping this moment is something the he knows is ok to show for whatever reason  .  

 

I have more to say about last week's episode, but I won't lie it will take me a bit to post because I took way too many screen shots  and it will be a longer post.  Also, I do have some different views than others in regards to some interactions/reactions by kookmin, but I will explain as soon I can (hopefully today fingers crossed but realistically tomorrow).

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Long time no post, but I wanted to share some things that I have noticed over the last couple of weeks. 

 

First MBTI -  Call it coincidence or call it compatibility (maybe both), but kookmin at least according to their own psychological assessment of their personalities they make a good match.  I know that this is something that every kookmin shipper knows, but I really love there is more to it than just what we see in body language and words.  The reality is that attraction is partially a chemical reaction that fades over time, but your personalities being compatible is something that helps make a relationship last.  As soon as I saw the Information below I had to go and check the compatibility (what else is a shipper suppose to do ).

 

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Many people think that with MBTI that someone with the same personality is a good match (maybe for friendship), but that is not really the case. What is also coincidence is that this information about their personalities was released on the same day or pretty darn close (Wild Idol Promo and Sixth Sense).  

 

Second Fan Meeting - Ok I have watched the fan meeting clip where SM discusses her and JK in a drama.  What I found interesting is that JSJ and YSC were both surprised by her answer.  Now here is that part where I need someone who knows Korean better than I do but I think JSJ says something like "Not a Melo?".  I heard Melo for sure.  When they were both surprised and JSJ brings up a Melo when he thinks about SM & JK . . . well it makes me happy.  Since JSJ seems to know something and is not great at stopping stuff from slipping out and he doesn't see them as siblings or an action couple (sorry SM . . . lol maybe a romantic action drama?).  How many of us would love a Melo with the two of them (now that is fan service that I can get behind ). 

 

Third Love Lines- I share the concerns and frustrations about the LLs on the show being pushed.  Also, as much as I hate seeing JK so annoyed, furious, and/or laughing at the ridiculousness of being in a LL (I do worry for YJS and others safety at times lmao), but I do love how JK constantly/consistently makes it clear his real feelings when it comes to those LLs.  Others might accept and play along but not JK.  I do agree that this forum should stay focused on our ship.  Also, I know it is hard when the two that you ship are having to reduce their interactions because of those LLs.

 

Thankfully, they really aren't pushing business couple anyway because HH (the lover of all fake LLs) was fake vomiting when JSM made YSC say that he loved her with all of his heart.  Finally, YSC and SM themselves have both said no to their LL in the last episodes intro.  However, these cycles come and go.  It also usually makes for even more enjoyable Kookmin moments once the LLs have run their course.  

 

When things are like this I focus on where we have come as a ship, and I focus on the little things they do to show they are still close.

 

I just watched a video today of early Kookmin where JK was literally forcing SM to interact, flirt, and sit with other men as a part of her love frog character (that would never happen today lmao).  In the last episode, the intro where JK wanted to know what was going on with SM and the guest (why did she talk to him and did they go on a blind date) or when SM picked JK.  As we all know including JK, this is something that never really happens (I loved his surprised happy smile when he was picked).  I think that SM knows that the LLs and constantly being teased are a struggle for JK (he is not LKS) and she wants him to be happy.  I was so happy to see them questioning YSC in the promo for this week.  That being said, I am keeping my expectations low for Kookmin moments because that is not where things are right now.  When they were interacting on the show the most that is when I believe they were just flirting and nothing was serious was potentially happening yet. I really miss when JSM got to call him kook, and she got him to act cute without him being forced (ep 489).  

 

Now, even before the LLs, it was YJS that was constantly trying to stop Kookmin moments. Most of the time YJS was just trying to stop JK (squeezing his shoulder, causing distractions, or switching topics).  Now, YJS is spending time on Sixth Sense ruining LLs with SM and her Love Frog character (like with JK this is all for her benefit) because he knows she has someone. I would actually be really worried if YJS was encouraging her on SS to flirt with guests instead of making fun of her. He is trying to block any rumors or shipping anyway he can.  I promise this will be the last time I mention anything about LLs or ships involving JK or SM with other people.