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  1. 18 minutes ago, kboramint said:

     

    So, you don't think YuRim is going to alive in 2021?

     

    The show doesn't seem to be going for tragic, just bitter-sweet. I suspect she will be alive, and perhaps back in Korea after many years in Russia. Perhaps lost touch with the Taeyang gang. Russian husband and kids in tow for a reunion?

     

    I would be happy if JW and her are together, but I heart Seung Wan more.

     

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  2. TVN is totally trolling us, because this is the cliffhanger going into the final weekend. They are trying to pump up viewership rates.

     

    Notice the penultimate scene before the flash-forward TV interview was them supporting each other in their pain of losing YR to Russia. They have reached an ironclad understanding of each other, that they show up at the tunnel together.

     

    But they need to keep their relationship and wedding a secret in order to protect BHJ's career. Same reason why NHD's mother could not reveal their mother-daughter relationship. The clips of Ep 15 show them together - meeting up in a hotel (prob during an overseas competition) and in his room.

     

    They spent 14 episodes building up their relationship. There is no time for a new story arc to break them apart. 

     

    My guess is Ep 15 will give us closure for their relationship up till 2009, and then Ep 16 will show the present.  BHJ coming home. Grandma with early dementia. (My hope - WJ and SW together.) 

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  3. 51 minutes ago, kboramint said:

     

    I somehat subscribe to this theory but one can argue that Min-Chae was trying to find out who BYJ is based off what she read from Hee-Do's diary. She wanted to know what he looks like. She ran away because she doesn't want her grandma to know she's been reading Hee-Do's diary.

     

     

    Is anyone not going to examine why Ko Yu-Rim was suddenly mentioned in that conversation but not anyone else?  

     

    IKR. That was what I thought at first watch.

     

    The writer is quite "sneaky"; it really depends on what angle you take. If it turns out that my theory is right, they will do flashbacks to these scenes, and we will see it from a totally different light. 

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  4. Here is my theory of what is going on. The mystery is regarding Mother Shin's health which has started to affect her memory. 

     

    If you watch the exchange between Grandmother and Minchae in Episode 4, you see it was Minchae who was pointing to the photo and asked her grandmother - "Grandma, tell me, who is Bak Yi-Jin?" Notice she didn't ask - "Who are these?", because she knew the answer. This was not that she doesn't know - she was trying to test her grandmother's memory. She seemed quite pleased when her grandma was able to identify everyone, and replied "So that is Yi-jin". But her expression changed and she looked very puzzled when grandma asked her - "Do you know Yi-jin?", and so she replied "No, I don't know Yi-jin." She knew, but she was playing along.

     

    Superficially, if you don't watch Minchae's expressions, it could be read as BHJ is a stranger. But if you look carefully, there is a weird undercurrent, because Minchae has detected something and she is concerned. So she changed the subject to dinner. Her question was also a bit awkard - "Grandma, did you come in to tell me it is time to eat?", most like a reminder. And she quickly walks out ... was it to check on the stove?

     

    The scene then changed to the conversation between Mother Shin and Hee do. Same thing - it starts with the photo, and Heedo points out affectionately and with love that BJH was so young. But when Mother says that I met him last month, Heedo's expression became quite concerned. 

     

    If we assume that BHJ is Minchae's father, we know that he has been overseas and cannot get back easily due to quarantine.

     

    In Ep 11, there were two scenes -

     

    a) Heedo came home and saw her mother at home at a strange hour. Mother had come home from work because she had forgotten to take something. Memory problems can start early but takes years to show signs.

     

    b) Then after they emerged from sedation after the colonoscopy, Heedo was very concerned about her mother's health. Once she got up, she asked if her mother was OK, and told her mother "Don't go anywhere, stay with me, ... live a long long life by my side." Hints that there is something wrong with her mother's health.

     

    I think the ending will be that Bak Yi-jin comes back from work abroad. And they find that grandma's health is deteriorating and her memory is affected. It may be early signs of dementia, or something more serious that is affecting her memory. That will be the bitter sweet ending.

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  5. My complaint about the last episode is regarding the Geumga bunch again.

     

    Why in the middle of the lovely atmospheric run-up to his declaration of love did we need to have a sudden interruption/ digression showing how the Geumga bunch (plus CY too, I know) stowed the gold away to CY's house? Such elegant dark soft-focus lighting and music, and then a sharp turn to comedy, and back again. The two parts of their reunion were well-done, and interrupting the flow was not necessary. Couldn't the editors have found another way to tie up that loose end, other than interjecting it at the most nerve-wrecking will-they-won't-they moment?

     

    When I watched it the second time, I just skipped ahead. 

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  6. Though they are entertaining to watch and carry their scenes well, its really strange that there was suddenly so much of Han Seo and Director Han in these two episodes. I don't think these two were intended to be the main side characters. I wonder if the director/producer saw that Geumga Plaza crowd didn't fulfill their potential, and hence, decided to do last minute changes instead. Even Han Seok, the real villain, seems to have reached a plateau where character-development is concerned. He got sidelined in these two episodes and all he was allowed to do was look angry, fume, plot and be frustrated again.

     

    There was so much potential for the development of HCY and VC relationship but it seemed rushed. After his mother's death, all there was was the pat on the back by the stream. I am not sure why there was the need to bring Luca to persuade VC to go to Italy (for what?) and then a quick about turn. That story arc took all of 20 minutes. It was like they needed some tension but didn't have time to play it out. 

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  7. On 4/3/2021 at 6:59 AM, raziela said:

    Thanks!  I am so surprised it isn't a sponsor giving the emphasis on it in the drama. I feel like I don't see Makgeolli often in dramas compared to the ubiquitous soju in the green bottle. I bet sales have increased because of Vincenzo:lol:

     

    I discovered Makgeolli thanks to this show. Better than soju.

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  8. I am following this show for the sake of the two leads and their conflict with Babel. I had not been a SJK fan before, but he has won me over. The two Wusang lawyers are very strong actors. That conflict in first few episodes was compelling.

     

    I am sorry to say that I am really not invested in the Geumga Plaza crowd, except for Special Agent An and Mr Nam. The rest remain annoying caricatures at this point, with few redeeming qualities. I am concerned that this is going to descend into a fight over the gold. I fast-forward the scenes involving them.

     

    I am still watching but the pace of the story has slowed to a crawl. Episode 11 ended exactly where Episode 12 did - with the final scene on the reveal of JJW. Nothing much happened in Ep 11 except for the reveal of Special Agent An.

     

    We are half way through the story, and they have already opened the gold and JJW has been revealed. To propel the story towards the end, they have introduced a new plotline surrounding the Guillotine files. I know it is connected to the gold, but its tenuous. Seems more like the writer was running out of ideas half way through.

     

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  9. 15 hours ago, kara_mella said:

    @Phoenix Klaw where did you read that? The king died at the age of 32 and he was survived by his wife, the queen. They did have a baby, a girl, but she died around 6 months if I m not wrong. Hence no heirs for the king... I'm ok with anything that will differ, but I very much doubt it cuz I read some historical sources and checked some other Korean posts.

     

    Now you get why I am so heartbroken...:crymeme:

    @kara_mella  Didn't read it anywhere. Purely my own speculation/ wishful thinking. Too difficult to reconcile with history, which as you point out, was very sad. In fact, I read that in history, it was the Queen Dowager who "won" in the hand, and chose and manipulated the next king.

     

    My bad. In Korean history, his heir was King of Korean Empire, not his biological son. 

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  10. Here is a possible ending that might satisfy everyone, that would take the original PRC elements but add a Back to the Future twist.

     

    Because of the SoBong's actions, the future is being altered, eg, castrating Han so that he doesn't have children, doing what Sobong's mother had wanted her to do. The changes result in the fact that the altered future, Jang Bong Hwan was NOT born a male, but instead, as his mother had wanted, JBH was born a female.

     

    In the Joseon dynasty, Cheoljong dies while saving Sobong, or gets killed by assassins (like a few of the PRC versions). SoBong gets transported back to the future, but this time, into her/his altered self, who is female. And Cheoljong is reincarnated as the constitutional monarch of Korea (because due to his actions, Japan doesn't attack Joseon, and Korea is a constitutional monarchy etc etc), and there, they meet again in the Blue House, where SoBong is cooking for him.

     

    BTW, in real history, Cheoljong's son/heir does become King of the Korean Empire.

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  11. I see that like me, many people are quite conflicted between So Bong and So Yong, and who ultimately Cheol-jong loves and may/ may not end up with.

     

    Perhaps having SB's "soul" in her has not erased SY's existence. Having SB's personality was a way for SY to grow to become her real self, in teaching her to live with courage and humour. Perhaps with the loss of SB's voice, what we are seeing is a gradual departure of SB, SY's growth, giving up her false self (like she said she wanted in her red embroidery) and reclaiming of her real self.

     

    Perhaps the best way for the drama to end is to have all the pieces go back to original. SB back to his body and SY back to hers, but both of them growing through the experience. And SY helping CJ to grow too. SB really needed to be less cocky, more understanding of the people around him, and also less of a playboy (aka, devoted to one person).

     

    Except that in history, neither Cheoljoing nor Cheorin had a good ending. So I would love it if they were saved from their miserable puppet existence and go to modern Korea. But yes yes, this is supposed NOT to be related to the historical figures. So a Park Bo Gum "Love in the Moonlight" ending that is divorced from history.

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  12. I am wondering how they will end this, and also how I want them to end this.

     

    According to Wikipedia, the real King Cheoljong died in his thirties and was survived by Queen Cheorin, and there was a fight about his successor. I would like it that in the show, they explain that Cheoljong actually disappeared and went with So Yong to modern day Korea. So they made up a story that he died to explain his disappearance. That way, he gets to escape his nightmare life.

     

    But I am conflicted - do I want him to be with So Yong or So Yong possessed by Jang Bong Hwan? I like So Yong but I would also like Jang Bong Hwan to live and have his revenge on the baddies. So will the show have to choose between the two, and destroy one. Couldn't we have So Yong and Cheoljong both go to modern day Korea, but also have So Yong separated from JBH's soul? With the way So Yong is developing, we are seeing that perhaps the real So Yong is not that different from JBH, just less brave and less able to break out of the conventional thinking.

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  13. 20 hours ago, nikir said:

    So if Lee Rim's death in 1994 by his past self does not affect his future self.. then even if JY dies in past.. his future shouldn't be affected right RIGHT ??

     

    Yup. This is something I don't quite understand either.

     

    If LR 1.0 2020 went back to 1994 and was killed, and if the time loop continues to play again and again, then the second time round, LR  2.0 2020 would still go back to to 1994 and get killed. So why do we suddenly have LR in 2020 with memories of how he killed himself sitting with Nari getting his future read?

     

    He should not exist in 2020, after going back in time. So it means it was LR 2.0. If it was LR 2.0, how did LR 2.0 get to Time Loop 1 so quickly, while LG got stuck for four months moving laterally? If LR 2.0 in 2020 can actually LEARN from his past mistake, then did he decide in the second time loop NOT to go back to 1994 again?

     

    Someone said that LR was not very smart. Maybe that's the reason. Cos if LR was smart, then what he should do is go back in time the second time round, and instead of trying to convince himself again, he should just go and kill his nephew. End of Story. ;0D 

     

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  14. 34 minutes ago, Heilo said:

     

    He wants to first get eternal life and he can get it with the whole flute without being in the between. I guess after eternal life he would seek power and he seems to be patient and not in hurry with gaining throne immediately first thing is first for him which is eternity. His ambition is pretty simple laid out and if you watch the show you will understand it immediately. He used 25 years swapping people in order to gain power in both worlds replacing powerful ppl with their peasants counterparts in order to have powerful elite people in high places. 

     

    How do you think they managed to kill that woman in Jail and the camera's went off just like that he has alot of power both in ROK and KOC thru swapping people. 

     

    Example that pregnant woman she was influential and powerful figure in KOC so he replaced her with her peasant counterpart in order to gain a high positive in the KOC government

     

    We didn't meet many powerful people who had been replaced by a peasant counterpart. The only senior person he threatened to do that with was KSR, but that was in order to get her to do what he wanted. She was not replaced. Most of the people he placed or attempted to place in KOC were low level folks, eg, tea lady to the king, security guard,  fish monger, stable hand, shipyard workers, and many of his minions. The sister in law to KSR was threatened with a sad life in ROK was brought back in order for her to go to LA to kill Se-jin, the heir to the throne. She seemed like a socialite with no real job in the chaebol. The only influential people that comes to mind were the chaebol father and heir in ROK. If he wanted to replace powerful people in order to stage a coup, it should be ministers and generals, but we have not been shown any of them.

     

    If seizing the eternal life flute was a means to get the monarchy, exactly HOW would eternal life give him the kingdom? Its not like people recognize the flute as a symbol of kingship and anyone who owns the flute rules the kingdom. That is a trope used in some other books and dramas. Eg, there is a popular Chinese martial arts novel called "Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre" where everyone was fighting for the Dragon Sabre, because the legend is that whoever has the Dragon Sword commands the world. But that does not seem to be the case here. 

     

    And this picture of wonderful eternity and infinity hasn't fleshed out for us either, except as that place with no air and no wind. Not exactly a place you want to spend the rest of your life.

     

    When LR said he was going to appear at the Memorial Service and introduce the Queen and reveal a parallel universe, I was waiting for the big nefarious plot to be revealed. But then LJH's mother committed suicide and LR was captured before that.

     

    So maybe there is still a LR plan and goal to be revealed, so I am waiting.

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  15. One more episode to go, and here are two questions still unanswered:

     

    1. What exactly is LR's evil goal? To be king of KOC? That would be the most basic understanding, but what was his plan? I initially thought he was building an parallel army to be in imported to KOC for a rebellion but it doesn't seem like it. So was it for the flute? But then for what? When he knelt before LG, he said now you can get "eternity and infinity". But what exactly is that? To live in the in between world forever? Why is that attractive? Or is it both? To be the Eternal Monarch? And so what was the plot to present LG's mother still alive at the Memorial Service and declare that a parallel world exists? What is that meant to achieve? 

     

    2. Now that we understand SJ's role, the role that still puzzles me is KSR. What was the purpose of the role? Was she just a pawn for LR, to get the king or the kingdom? I thought from the end of the last episode that with LR eliminated in a timeloop, she would turn out to the bigger antagonist. But Ep 15 still presents her as a pawn and a victim. So was she nothing more than a pretty second lead that poses a potential threat of stealing LG. But she was never a real threat.  

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  16. 15 minutes ago, Tangerinecultivator said:


    Yep and instead of JY, I think it could be SJ who would sacrifice hisself in the end.

     

    That kinda explains why he got so much scene and character exploration in the whole series.

     

    I am guessing that the second round, its going to be LG, JY, JTE and SJ together. Because SJ loves JTE, and I just don't see him letting her escort LR alone through the portal alone.

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  17. I think I have had almost all my theories wrong. So KES is not really telling a Back to the Future story, where the hero goes back to deliberately change the future. It is his destiny; He keeps doing it anyway and is a "passive" actor.

     

    So for the last two episodes, I am going to suspend theories. I appreciate the way KES keeps the suspense going,. Even though she killed one villain in the Episode 14, she has essentially created two more (KSR and Luna), and we need to see how their stories close.

     

    A LOT of questions need to be resolved:

     

    1. What is the role of LJH's mother? Why did the Yoyo Girl appear to her to explain everything? Why did LG tell JY that he had to look for her?

    2. What is the use of SJ? I thought that his role was to help LG. If his part of the story was just as a swap for LR to get his father's care centre and to a spy in the palace, then this is too much space dedicated to such a minor character, plus his doppelganger.

    3. What is KSR's plot now to get the whole flute, and surpass the royal family? The woman's selfish ambition is unbelievable. Why did she ask her mother to respond "mackerel"?

    4. Now that LR is dead, what happens to his minions and other pieces of his puzzle like the pregnant lady? What was his person-swapping plot to use them in the first place? We have not been told this yet. Who told the minions to start the gas stove in LJH's mother's flat?

    5. There should be another loop coming up, with him wearing his glorious jacket. We know now that he and JTE meet in different intersections of time. Who/What causes that? (I had thought that for this second loop, it was LG that discovers time travel, but it turns out it was the flute/Destiny that opens the door.) We haven't seen the spoiler scenes of LG and young JTE in police costume, and JTE meeting the adult LJH yet.

    6. What drives Luna? And how did LG figure out that he had to leave the jacket and access card for her, so that she can lead him into the portal?

    7. After JTE is stabbed by Luna, is it LG who comes and saves her? Or her colleagues manage to get the patrol car there on time? How about the spoiler reunion scene we saw of her hugging him with bandages on her finger?

     

     

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  18. 1 hour ago, koreaboooo said:

     

    I know it's a theory but I can't support that even if it's just a theory. PM deserves to be beheaded the other way not JTE's way. :tears:

    If he has to discover time travel it'll be right after JTE's death and he won't even bother with marrying. His one and only queen is JTE. 

     

    OK. I better edit that section. What I meant was he ends up "having to" marry her. But it doesn't happen. 

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  19. My updated theory after seeing the spoilers from last two days: (Also edited again to clarify theory about having to marry KSR.)

     

    1. In the current Time Loop 1.0, JTE (and perhaps EY) dies. LG is devastated (images from hospital may be his failed attempt to save her). He is forced to marry KSR. That scene where he wears the glorious jacket was just before the wedding where he goes back to Time Loop 1.0, to say good bye. But this doesn't happen. Instead, she is abandoned/ arrested/ sentenced at the altar. He then discovers time travel (through the airless land), and he embarks on a quest to right the wrongs and save JTE's life.

     

    2. Time Loop 2.0 is when he returns to her life in ROK, her childhood, her graduation etc. In this timeloop, he becomes a familiar face to her and there may be some remaining memories from Time Loop 1.0. (Like in Goblin, where she "remembers" Kim Shin and doesn't know why she is so sad.) In this Time Loop 2.0, in 1994 in KOC, LG and SJ turn up at the LR killing of LG's father and saves young LG. LR escapes to COK where he kills his brother, but he is prevented from killing LJH. This explains why JTE met LJH when he graduates from Naval College. She feels a sense of unexplained loss when she sees him. (That's the spoiler scene that we saw.) In this Time Loop 2.0, LR is captured by SJ and JTE in 2020 in ROK. This is the first scene in the Episode 1. 

     

    3. At the end of Time Loop 2.0, LR escapes and there is a battle between LG and LR where LG kills his uncle (with help from Luna, JY and gang), seizes the flute, and closes the door. JTE now regains her 1.0 memory because balance has been restored, and goes to live with LG as Queen of Corea, while doors of the two universes close (until the next natural opening 20 years later). The bookshop remains the door where messages are sent between the two universes, where JTE visits from time to time (including in 2022). Luna and JTE switch places and Luna gets a transplant and a new life in ROK, and a chance with SJ. ES and NR are together. JY and NR's doppelganger are together. LJH and mother are reunited.

     

    Happy Ending All Round. But Court Lady Noh is the only one who does not get to visit her home town again, because that's in North Korea.

     

    This is the best I can do to sew everything together.

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  20. 23 hours ago, zee0123 said:

    I have a question why LG fired the 2 remaining bullets in the gun TE used to defend herself? Is there any reason behind it or he was just so mad that time?

     

    Soldiers in battle are trained to count the number of bullets they have used and have left, so that they know when they have run out and need to reload. Being caught in a gunfire without bullets is dangerous. So when JTE handed it over to LG, she tells him how many bullets there are left, so that he can continue the fight. LG discharging the last remaining bullets is his way of telling her the bullets are not needed any more and the battle is over.

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