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I LOVE this forum! It almost made watching this worth it--almost.
Also, another loose end: Pi Young has coffee with Ga Bin and viewers realize that Pi Young has NO idea that her husband was engaged to this mistress the day before he asked Pi Young to marry him. Will this matter if he dies? Will it matter if he lives?
Remember how excited we got about who fell off the horse in an earlier season, only to have it be a footnote in the next season. Writer wasted all that time having A Mi's mother come to visit, visit father to see if he wants to meet daughter, has father be acquaintance of Yu Shin and use the same Equestrian Center, father and daughter actually meet there, but don't know they are related, and A Mi has a brief moment of anxiety over whether to meet her biological father. It is a cliff hanger at the end of one season, but writer never does anything with that plot line in the next season. Father is revealed to have fallen off horse and died, mother disappears and A Mi moves in with Yu Shin and Devil Mother-In-Law and that and ghost gramps become the new plot interest. THIS WRITER IS CRAZY!! It is a shame because the characters and the actors playing them were good enough to carry a non-crazy plot. Well, maybe not Male Model, but he provided visual enjoyment.
Thanks for being part of this forum! It has been fun.
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After taking poll about renaming drama, I will have to amend my comment that there was no overarching worldview. I guess over the three seasons, the writer has continued to judge and condemn cheating husbands and their mistresses and for the most part, they get what's coming to them in the end. We have all enjoyed the downfall of the professor, and even though he seemed to regret and want his old life back, in the end he is still only concerned about himself and didn't really learn anything. Yu Shin definitely has regret and may have learned something. If male model actually dies, I predict he will try to get old wife back. He never has loved A Mi and should not be marrying her. 30's husband seems a little different, but in the end, he chose to be dishonest and cheat. Even if he was unhappy, he should have been honest and gotten a divorce, before hooking up with someone else. So he has definitely paid for his cheating.
All three mistresses have suffered and did not end up replacing first wife. A Mi looks like she is getting "the dream", but he doesn't love, or even like her, and they aren't married yet.
So writer does consistently hate cheating husbands and their disreputable mistresses and wants judgement to fall on them. That is a consistent theme.
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Not sure about Season 4; probably not, but I said that before Season 3. So, we'll see. When Yu Shin went to get his haircut, I thought he will pick up one of the stylists as new girlfriend., since he is about to get married. (This actor does not give off the ability to just pick up anyone anytime like the previous actor.). There are some men like that; always have a side piece. I have a real friend who dated a guy who suddenly married somebody else that she knew nothing about. She was devastated and then HE CALLED HER ON HIS HONEYMOON to say nothing had changed between them and he still needed her, TOO!!!!! She was almost suicidal and moved back in with her mother. There are some crazy people out there.
All the after life references in this drama are interesting, but I don't think the writer had an overall plan. It feels like she just made it up as she went along. I know the writer does each episode as they are filming and barely stays ahead, but it feels disjointed. Good writers have consistent themes and overarching world views that feel satisfying to the viewer. That's why we are so aggravated; nothing really makes sense. I'm still bumfuzzled by that scene with the engineer and Yu Shin's stepmother; what the heck was that about? This writer is good at shocking plot twists, but that is about all.
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7 hours ago, Auntie Mame said:
Since this writer likes paranormal, fortune-telling, etc, what if her script for this drama gives the upper hand to the supernatural?
To make an ideal situation for each family:
1) Grandpa ghost possess grandma.
2) Mommy ghost possess Ami. Ultimately, baby's daddy realizes the similarities and falls in love and marries her.
Hmm, one more ghost is needed...
Okay, got it!
3) Professor can't face his mistakes and rejections. So, he commits suicide. He possesses musical actress because he pities her and wants to help her. By doing so, he changes her singing voice to a counter tenor, which attracts nut-job, DM, again. (This leaves producer mom to find a man worthy of her.)
I think I can be crazier than this writer.
I think you may have something here. Nothing can be crazier than this writer. Love this post!!
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Actor (SDM) reading script:
I dump my fiancé, who was basically suicidal, and who I have dumped before, and show no emotion, because I fall in love (lust) with a woman screaming in a dermatology clinic, where I am getting a bunion removed. Before I dump her, I bizarrely take fiancé to an amusement park to hear her scream to see if it might turn me on the way the other woman's screaming did; it doesn't. So I am forced to coldly break our engagement, "for her sake". The NEXT day I confess to the other woman, who I have only seen twice, that she is the love of my life and I am going to marry her. After an unbelievably long dinner and conversation, I convince new woman to take her daughter to same amusement park, so I can stalk them in a PIRATE SUIT and listen to her scream. After following her home, and she demurely refuses to hug me goodbye, I follow her into elevator and force a passionate kiss.
Can you imagine being an actor in this drama? Trying to follow these crazy plots with a straight face? If we are laughing, can you imagine the cast? Imagine SPY looking over and seeing him in that pirate suit on the rocking ship. and then SHE is directed to scream unnaturally, with the knowledge that she is "turning him on". This is beyond ridiculous! I will say it is original; I have never watched a drama with anything close to this plot line. This is just one character. Imagine Seo Ban reading his script saying he will go swimming, be possessed by the ghost gramps, seduce the old lady, take her home with him and then beat her up! And not remember anything about it later. This entire cast must be scared to read the next episode, envisioning their career going up in smoke with this insane writer.
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3 hours ago, americanchai said:
As with New Year's Resolutions I've caved and started watching this piece dump truck of a show that will surely end in it running into a brick wall by the end of the season, splattering our brains all over the sidewalk. I only started watching again because of this forum where you guys never disappoint me.
Love, love, love this!! You and I are soul sisters! This forum is so much better than the actual show!
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Thank you so much to all of you who made me laugh out loud tonight. I agree that we will enjoy this crazy drama a lot more if we see it as a comedy. The only ones I care about are 50's wife and her kids; the writer can do whatever she wants with the rest of them. Possession, white truck of doom, amnesia, illegitimate children they didn't know they fathered, older generation having torrid affairs (I'm talking about the grandparents), or WWIII, which apparently is about to happen. The real news is another reason I escape to the world of K drama. Bring on the crazy.
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I am eating my very public declaration that I would NOT watch Season 3. I watched first two episodes. What I wanted the most was for 50's wife to find love and happiness, and engineer fits the bill! I will stick around if she gets to be happy. Don't much care for the others. I want 50's husband to live the rest of his life in regret, along with 40's husband. I do NOT want any couple to reconcile. It would be nice if stepmom was revealed as evil, but A Mi and stepmom fighting all the time might be a good punishment for 40's husband. We did find out who fell off the horse. So now that dad cannot seek vengeance on 40's husband for the humiliation of his daughter. I really didn't like the possession scene with the child: spooky.
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I finished watching the series. Wow! Jung Hae In will probably get an acting award for this role. He was amazing.
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I have watched 3 episodes. Jung Hae In is the reason I am watching and he is doing a fantastic job in this series. Hope it gets a 2nd season.
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NGB went to boyfriend's house looking for word of him because he wasn't answering the phone. She may have been afraid he went to the Han River to jump in. She really believes she is receiving Divine retribution and is about to lose her mind. I don't even think it is about her career; she is broken. Everything else that happens is not planned, just unfolding. She couldn't think of anywhere else to go. She turned down marriage to the man she truly loves; she is broken. She may actually commit suicide, too, because she can't live with the fact that both her parents died and she thinks it is her fault. I get Greek tragedy vibes here.
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IF there is a season 3, and I am not saying I would watch it, but if there is a season 3, they need to hire a co-writer with veto power to clean up this mess. We need so much closure and no more crazy!!! Murdering step-mother is still on the loose, A Mi still has the RickRoll'D-eating grin on her face, 30's mistress CANNOT end up with the best happy ending, whoever fell off the horse needs to be identified and fit into the story, and 50's wife is comforting her cheating spouse's mistress!!!! This is so wrong!! Writer needs an editor!
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What the hell!!?!! Just watched Episode 16 and I am SO mad! What a ridiculous ending! I will not watch Season 3. I do not care to see how A Mi lands 30's husband, or how 40's wife ends up with engineer's brother, or how 30's mistress gets engineer. None of those plots interest me. What a waste of time! I feel so duped.
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I was just rewatching EP. 15 waiting for 16. In first scene, engineer asks 40's wife about her favorite jewel. He uses the discussion to tell her that all men don't like the same thing: young, pretty woman. She likes diamonds, but his mother likes pearls and the subtle sheen they give off. Interpretation: He is drawn to subtle beauty of 50's wife, not young and pretty, who are a dime a dozen and those who know his status have probably been throwing themselves at him his whole life. Hence, he is secretive about his family. He will confess to 50's wife!!!!
Another prediction: When engineer makes it clear to 40's wife that he is not interested, she will begin to consider ex, only because he is truly remorseful and will probably be willing to allow her to check his phone every night. He may actually be willing to be faithful, because he has seen the result of playing around. Not worth it. I wouldn't take him back, but she may consider it.
Pan family is in for wrath of God in some form: miscarriage, death of any one of them.
I don't think it will happen, but nobody deserves the White Truck of Doom more than step-mom. Getting scared by a ghost is not enough.
Anxiously awaiting................
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6 hours ago, confusedheart326 said:
Not sure what will happen because I have lost all hope. But I do want to see the following. Otherwise, it will be a great disappointment.
1. Sexy Creepy Step Mom must receive some sort of comeuppance for murdering her husband. The Truck of Doom is the quickest and safest way IMO, though not very painless.
2. Ghost Grandpa should peacefully leave for Heaven. Call the people from Move to Heaven. They are pretty good at this.
3. I have a feeling that 40s couple will reconcile since he has been mopping around without his wife and daughter.
4. A-Mi finally realizes that it was a doomed affair from the start. Goes back to Planet Mars, where she initially came from and lives a happy and fulfilling life there. Finds a good guy and settles down, all in good time. The 40s husband becomes a distant dream to her.
5. The 40s husband realizes how precious his wife and family was and repents and regrets and promises to cherish them again.
6. 50s husband gets dumped by his mistress.
7. The mistress reconciles with her ex-boyfriend and they get married and now she is truly happy as she is with the man she had always loved.
8. The 50s husband realizes his folly but he has burnt his bridges and thus remains a repentant father for the rest of his life, trying his best to be a good absentee father to his daughter and son.
9. 50s wife, as we know has already moved on. It will be great if she and the sound engineer guy become a couple.
10. In fact I will not be disappointed, if 40s wife decides to move on with the engineer and leaves the 40s husband to repent for his follies either.
The man who loved too many women has been ditched by them all to lead a solitary woman-less life.
11. 30s wife needs to move on. She got what she wanted her revenge. She should focus on her career and catch another husband material guy who comes from a rich and well known family and lead a fabulous life. Give drama a break. Take a leaf out of 40s wife's aunt and go on a holiday, have a holiday romance.
12. 30s husband should act in a mature and responsible manner. He impregnated a woman, so it is only fair he takes the responsibility of the woman and the child. Now that he is divorced, nothing should stop him from taking up the responsibility. man up, as they say.
13. 30s parents can live a quiet life and enjoy each others company. They deserve some peace and quiet after the rigmarole their son and ex-daughter-in-law put them through.
Thanks for tagging me @partyon. This drama didn't deserve 2 seasons and they could have tied the ends in S1 itself. We, the audience deserve a pat on our backs for putting up weeks of torture that left us all emotionally battered and at loggerheads with each other.
My last prediction is that once the drama ends, there is peace and harmony in Soompi and we are back to being friends with each other and respecting each others' views and opinions as we had been doing previously before getting emotionally embroiled in the drama.
I agree with absolutely everything you said. Love it!!
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58 minutes ago, lilyphenix said:
Oh my! How many gods do the Pan family pray to???
Over the top religious references! 30's husband says the Lord's Prayer in bed as mistress strokes his head. and he thanks God for bringing her to him. Father Pan refers to the family as "the righteous". This is some serious blasphemy. I expect them to be struck by lightening. What happened to mistress going to church, praying for forgiveness, and vowing to stay out of his marriage and raise the child alone? Her sense of guilt and shame is completely gone! They are all shameless. What is writer setting us up for?
1 hour ago, lilyphenix said:- Seeing 40s husband filled with regrets and drowning in flashbacks of happy times brings me enormous joy.
AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!
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Lots of good comments here. The best part of this drama is the comments you all make.
In thinking about immature 30's husband, I think we fall in love and date for lots of reasons. He was truly attracted to 30's wife to begin with and said he only wanted to be married once. The problem is that marriage is not dating and all hearts and flowers. Marriage is everyday life with problems and seeing each other the way we really are. In trying to maneuver it, we often fall back on the way we saw our parents live, good or bad. He grew up the youngest and was babied by his doting mother. That felt comforting to him. His wife could not be more unlike his mother and he begins to feel mistreated. She had not changed, but his needs/expectations did. This is where mature adults would bring in a counselor to see if they could work it out, but neither of them is mature, and the whole thing spirals out of control. Marriage is also a marathon and not a sprint. If we really expect fidelity for 50+ years, there needs to be lots of talks about sex and feelings and sharing chores, etc, and whether each partner is getting what they need in all areas of the marriage. When you really think about it, it is amazing that so many people actually stay together.
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2 hours ago, TheQueenReturns said:
I really need to see something funny it's me and cluded my children all have covid.
I am so sorry you all are sick. Praying for you and your family.
29 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:And I just want to say this to everyone here after reading so much in this thread. There is no need to be so absolute in your views.
I understand what you are saying, but I absolutely think adultery is wrong. I can see reasons for divorce and do not judge because we never really know what goes on behind closed doors. But I really can't think of a good excuse for adultery. The least you can do is be honest with your partner and get a divorce first. You owe them that.
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I don't think it is sound engineer's fault that he seems robotic; it is writer's fault. He is not a bad actor; writer wants him to remain inscrutable. The same thing happened to Lee Sang Yoon in VIP; he appeared to be bad actor because writer did not want him to give away his true feelings. For those of us who like to analyze character, it is particularly frustrating when writers do this.
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8 minutes ago, TheQueenReturns said:
I guess the last thing I want to mention is that Sa-Hyeon is the world's worst lawyer. I don't know what kind of law he practices, but I guess it's not family law. If he's divorcing his wife and paying her a lot of money, they should have a clear agreement which includes a non-disparagement clause or something. He clearly doesn't know anything about his ex-wife, and he doesn't know how to protect himself and his family. Seriously, he should get fired from his law firm for just being bone-headed.
LOVE THIS!!!!!
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If 30's husband were mature, which he is not, when he began to feel dissatisfied in his marriage, he should have gone to wife and expressed how he felt. She would have a right to be annoyed because she laid out her deal breakers before they got married, but people change and evolve and no one stays exactly the same. They could have gotten a third party involved, preferably a counselor rather than his parents, and could have either compromised or decided they would go their separate ways. Divorce is bad, but if they had handled it this way, there would have been no mistress or baby and fewer hard feelings.
We all understand why 30's wife wanted revenge; we even enjoy watching her get even. She was also looking out for her image, which is how she earns a living. We also admire the person who takes the high road and lets karma deliver justice on those who need it (50's wife.) But we wish 50's wife had stood up for herself more. Neither wife is 100% right or wrong, just different personalities. The scene where 50's husband tries to spice up their relationship by taking her for an overnight getaway and her refusal is so sad. In both these marriages the spouses were trying to communicate their needs and the other spouse needed to really listen. If they had, the marriages might have been saved.
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3 hours ago, agenth said:
When did Jia (40s couple's daughter) ever meet Ah Mi??? I thought the sub was a mistranslation, but the actress actually said Jia - not Jia's mother, whom the writer/actress probably meant.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I did FF a lot of parts in previous episodes.
I thought the same thing, but maybe crazy stepmom means it is an expression that Jia uses, not that she said it about A Mi?
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I am so excited! Did you notice that engineer came to performance thinking 50's wife was coming, bought her a drink and then looked disappointed when 40's wife said she was joking. I see 40's wife and 30's wife going after him and fighting, and he has had a crush on 50's wife all along. BUT, he doesn't know she is divorced. Just wait until he finds out. I think encounter with pregnant mistress was red herring. I actually think there is hope for 50's wife!!
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My first kdrama was Something in the Rain on Netflix with Son Ye Jin and Jung Hae In. I fell in love with the genre and watched anything I could find with Son Ye Jin in it because she is so talented. I loved her with Jung Hae In and shipped them together, although I had never heard that term. I became INJIN FAN on this website. They seemed so sweet and I think they really became friends and still are, in a older colleague/younger colleague sense. It didn't take long after watching Negotiation and seeing the promotional interviews that I could see something was going on between Hyun Bin and Son Ye Jin. I kept up with both threads, but soon realized that Jung Hae In was just a friend. Hyun Bin has since been asked about attending something for Son Ye Jin and all the fan attention, and he laughed and said, "We all know they were there to see Jung Hae In." I think this indicates he was jealous during all the talk about INJIN as a couple, because he and Son Ye Jin had agreed to keep their relationship private. I have been a faithful reader of this thread and appreciate all the people who have kept it current. I rejoiced with all of you at the confirmation of their relationship, but I have been convinced of it for a long time. Happy 2nd Anniversary!!
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I dump my fiancé, who was basically suicidal, and who I have dumped before, and show no emotion, because I fall in love (lust) with a woman screaming in a dermatology clinic, where I am getting a bunion removed. Before I dump her, I bizarrely take fiancé to an amusement park to hear her scream to see if it might turn me on the way the other woman's screaming did; it doesn't. So I am forced to coldly break our engagement, "for her sake". The NEXT day I confess to the other woman, who I have only seen twice, that she is the love of my life and I am going to marry her. After an unbelievably long dinner and conversation, I convince new woman to take her daughter to same amusement park, so I can stalk them in a PIRATE SUIT and listen to her scream. After following her home, and she demurely refuses to hug me goodbye, I follow her into elevator and force a passionate kiss.
The man who loved too many women has been ditched by them all to lead a solitary woman-less life.
[Drama 2023] The Real One Has Appeared!, 진짜가 나타났다!
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One, of many, of the writing problems is that there is so little consistency of character for Grandmother, mother-in-law, mother. female lead and childless sister-in-law. They literally flip on a dime from kind to vicious, courageous to spineless depending on the plot. The villains and the men seem more consistent. I think it is because there are 50 episodes; the plot has to swing violently back and forth to keep it going that long. If I were the writers, I would be ashamed and embarrassed to have written this drama. One enormous plus: the baby is adorable!