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I'm glad the fans shared this again cause I couldn't remember on which IG account I had originally seen it.
 

 

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[Referring to the "meet a lifetime partner", Kim Jong Kook said surprisingly : "earlier this year, I had tried hard to find my lifetime partner ."]

Two possibilities I can think of:

- He is subtly referring to Spartace, as his loveline with SJH is the only romantic endeavour known to public that took place earlier this year. I generally believe that, in all these shows, they stick to events and details about their lives that have already been shared somehow or make sense within the boundaries of their projected personalities, and rarely deviate via references to personal matters only known to their immediate environment. This is also one of the reasons I disagree with the soap-opera notion that wants SJH dedicating a goodbye poem to him in episode 471.  So, if he is being honest, I don't think he is talking about affairs no one really suspects of, cause he has no reason to reveal to the audience more about himself. In that sense, linking early 2019 to his love life, falls under the "paving the road for Spartace" scenario that several Spartace fans have suggested. The RM production may have entertained the idea of a romantic relationship for ratings and SBS couple award aspirations, but for SA themselves, consistent, subtle implications throughout 2019 help with the building up of a future reveal and excuse all the fake romantic involvements prior to that. Even if KJK's next line is "...but I failed to find one", it still won't downplay the "preparing the fans" narrative, as no one really expects him to confirm the end of his bachelorhood via a talk show, therefore the rest of his answer at worst will be negative, at best vague and open to interpretations.

- I may be rushing ahead of myself since this is only a snippet and we don't know the conclusion, but it's quite possible the quote above and whatever else follows just conform with his public image as a sought after, family-oriented hunk who craves to get married and there's no scoop or anything deeper into it. Those options ("lifetime health", "meet a lifetime partner" etc.) seem very tailored to the cast, so I won't be surprised if KJK's mention of early 2019 has no special meaning and it's just his reprising the eternal bachelor role once again. This doesn't disprove Spartace, obviously KJK can be in a relationship with SJH or any other woman and keep claiming his attempts at finding a lifetime partner turned out fruitless, however it may stand as the beginning of a new series of justifications, in case there's no actual official dating/marriage plan for 2020 even though it has been implied several times. In that sense, KJK succeeds in both staying true to his word towards the fans about trying hard to find a partner in 2019, and perpetuating his bachelor image. Anyway, we'll have to wait for the whole episode, perhaps something interesting will come out of it.

Of course, everyone is free to believe that neither of the above possibilities is valid and that, instead, KJK is being completely honest in his claims of being single all this time and trying hard to find a partner in early 2019 as promised right in front of the cameras, with none of said tries being related to Spartace, but I think earth being flat has more chances to be real than such a belief.

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Just popping in to say that what made an impression on me - maybe cause that's what I kept noticing first in all the SJH clips from the latest episode - was how SJH wore her white socks over her pants. I don't know if this is a trend in S.Korea and what stylists generally recommend, but in RM KJK is the only one frequently wearing his long pants tucked in his socks. I remember I didn't find it a nice choice the first time I saw him, but I was so pleasantly surprised when I saw earlier today SJH naturally following his fashion steps. Not the first time this is happening, but I feel in this case it is a bit too obvious because this way of styling is a very KJK thing to do.

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A photo from today's filming. SJH and KJK at the back with HH. Not sure who is the original uploader, perhaps more photos like this, taken from better angles, will surface.
 

 

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Birthday greeting from KJK, SJH, HH, JSJ and YJS, to Lee Jeong Hoon's daughter.
Apart from the sweetness of this gesture and the joy of seeing those 5 together, I'd like to point out how we wouldn't know SJH was with them the entire time, had HH not turned the camera towards her. Usually, she isn't the first person to jump right in front of the lens, so imagine all the times she has actually been there when a BTS photo/video of KJK and others is taken.
 

 

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Yes, exactly, he was in the premiere of "Code Name: Jackal", and by the time of DB, he had already appeared 3 times on RM, twice as a guest (44-45) and once briefly during ep 42 because he was filming in the same location as RM. He even said he saw the rest members upstairs. So I think it's a matter of getting lost in translation here, because lying would be such a stretch, it would create more suspicions than actually covering anything.
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First SA scenes from today's episode:
 

 

 

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Welcome @kook_mong ! Hopefully more Spartace fans will follow your example and leap from longtime lurkers to active posters. It's always nice exchanging opinions and seeing the community keep going strong



@carambsk I had to take my own screenshots and place them side by side for comparison, because a quick search online turned out fruitless. Episodes 212 and 213 respectively.

Also, I am not sure which words of Jang Hyuk made you slightly doubtful, could you elaborate? If anything, the mention of SJH finding him asleep outside of his hotel room at the 2013 MAMA awards, and subsequently telling KJK, sort of correlates with what Haha teasingly "revealed" in Big Picture about her also being drunk , mixing up the hotel rooms and ending up at KJK's during the same awards. Even if this is not what exactly happened, it's still interesting how the stories fall in line and we are clued in about their staying on the same floor, enjoying their booze at the after-party and possibly having some late night encounters. Perhaps the English subtitles are misleading, but in the Dragon Brothers episode when KJK says what SJH told him, present tense is used "Hyuk is sleeping in front of the room", which hints at SJH indeed meeting/being with KJK on the way to her room (or around the corridors anyway). Again, this could just be the translation of the caption and Haha might have been mostly joking, but all these references to the specific Awards do raise suspicions, especially if we combine them with how close Spartace looked throughout their presentation. At the same time, Hyuk mentioning he hasn't met Ji Hyo before is either another subtitle-induced deception (whereas he meant he didn't meet her that night, which he wouldn't remember anyway if he had passed out) or a flat lie. Regardless, I'd never expect any of them to deviate from KJK's firm claims of bachelorhood and provide us with Spartace evidence. Exactly because the show was marketed as a long overdue vacation with candid moments of bromance, a big slip-up there would hold considerable weight compared to Haha's hints during comedy segments. Not to mention anything too risky to air has been obviously edited out.

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I "hate" my babbler self right now because I've started this hours ago (I was at the office, so I could only steal a few minutes each time) and still I failed to talk about SJH & the latest Spartace scene. Anyway, here it goes:
 

9 hours ago, carambsk said:

1) Why do you think they haven't admitted it yet?  They're getting old, it has been several years, so why?  If it's for the show, how important is the show versus their personal lives?  If it's for the show, how long will they keep it up?  

 

2) What will happen to them when they finally admit it to the public?  Will the public be able to forgive them for the lies and denials, especially with JK being on a show like MUD?

 

1) - The common practice in Korean entertainment industry is to officially announce when the relationship is stabilised or when marriage is among the future plans. Therefore - and unlike the norms in the West - a lot of celebrities don't reveal casual relationships or, when it comes to serious ones, they still keep the first months/years hidden until the official commitment.

- KJK has concealed everything about his love life for over two decades and will continue, per his admission, to do so until he is one step before the altar. 

- Work related reasons always delay marriages. In an older interview, SJH had expressed her desire to focus on her career and that she wasn't in a rush to get married. Moreover, in an episode of RM, she had given us an insight into her stance towards marriage, by pretty much admitting she wouldn't be in RM anymore if she had been married. She didn't even round her words like this, she actually said "I'd be one man's wife." Sadly, this is a reality in the conservative world she works, often female celebrities bear the cost of having a new family.

- Although it's more unclear in KJK's case, because he has long now maintained his fervid longing for marriage, I wouldn't rule out career oriented reasons. I don't doubt his sincerity in regards to creating his own family, but I feel the exaggerated zeal he exhibits along with his inability to find "the one" are all part of his public image. I think he would rather proceed in his own pace and said pace doesn't necessarily align with the pressure from the media & the wishful thinking of the fanbase. The truth is this public image creates buzz as well as lands him new projects. Half KJK's career revolves around reality TV. He wouldn't have participated in Ding Ge Long Dong Qiang if he had a public girlfriend. He wouldn't be in My Ugly Duckling if he wasn't single, which further means that committing to this show postpones any marriage arrangements to a later date. (It's worth mentioning that both the existence of Monday Couple and SJH's obligations in WAIL during 2016 have also contributed to the overall delay.)

- Personal reasons related to health issues, family members, financial investments etc. always influence a couple's decisions and we would have no way of knowing any of them.

- The biggest obstacle, however, has always been RM. An open relationship in the show would completely change the dynamics and eventually jeopardise its future. The following are KJK's own words in regards to MC dating (the question was for SJH btw, but he playfully shoved her and told her to be quiet) : "In fact, as much as they want to go on a serious date, because of the programme, RM will face a risk of cancellation, so isn't it better they stay this way?". When KJK himself bluntly brings the factor "cancellation" onto the table, what's more to wonder? It's plain obvious that if Spartace are indeed a couple, they will have to first disengage from their RM contracts and then proceed with public announcements.

Now, why would they seemingly prioritise this show over their personal life? Firstly, we don't know what breaking a contract with a channel like SBS entails. When KG left RM, it was to focus on his music career and be able to start his own family, as a matter of fact he vanished from the TV. However, KG isn't the TV entertainer that KJK is. In this demanding & contolling industry, we don't know the impact a premature departure would have on his career. This is the same man who, in reference to his health problems and how they impeded his place in the show, confessed "But I knew that if I gave this up, I wouldn't be invited to appear on other programmes." And he said this at a time he was already a well established singer and an internationally acclaimed variety star. Secondly, we don't know anything about the negotiations and offers made back when Nam PD approached KJK first with the proposal to continue the show. We are not aware of the old and new parameters added to their contracts. It was an opportunity back then for them to finish the show and, ideally, focus on their private life/rest projects, yet they discarded it and it's naive to believe they would agree on continuing RM solely out of sheer love for it, without their decision being beneficial for their life/careers too, possibly outweighing any drawbacks. That said, thirdly, loyatly and gratitude towards the rest RM members as well as their devoted fans - who supported them throughout their entire mistreatment in late 2016 - would play a role in their seeing RM to the end, rather than leaving early. Lastly, for all the reasons I mentioned previously, perhaps their personal goals and needs coordinate with staying in RM better than the fans think. Thus, they have accepted the price of not disclosing their relationship as long as RM is still airing.

In relation to their age and their ability to have a big family, which is often brought up by fans in disbelief via questions like "Shouldn't they have got married by now? They are not getting any younger", everyone should keep in mind there are treatments and methods (i.e. freezing eggs) that people around the world use extensively, especially if their economic status permits it. So I don't think a reasonable marriage delay would create serious problems on that front either. Assuming of course SJH wants to have kids in the first place (I know she has previously said she'd like to have 3-4, but I tend to be cautious with whatever is said when addressing to a not so progressive audience).

The combination of all the above is my reasoning as to why KJK & SJH haven't been public about their love life yet, whether they are in a relationship with each other or someone else. I do think it's a rather interesting "coincidence" how, throughout the last 7 years of RM, we eventually got dating/marriage/pregnancy news about every single member of the old gang (including SJK and KG) except for those two.

2) For a while I was asking myself the same questions, because at first the possible backlash looked in my mind way too challenging to handle. Until my friend pointed out to me two simple facts:
 

- Everyone has been anticipating KJK's "good news" for so many years, that the happiness and relief spread to the fans when he finally announces his marriage will quickly overshadow any bitter minority. The majority won't say "Yes, but in X interview X years ago, you claimed you were family", they just won't care if two people at their 40s used to say they can't date. Koreans have a lot of other, more serious scandals to rant about.

- Does anyone hate Kang Gary? He and SJH successfully played the TV couple for years and, as proven eventually, a good portion of that period he was involved with someone else. His sudden marriage and wife's pregnancy took everyone by surprise, even if the news left a lot of fans heartbroken at the time, what's the general consensus now?

Adding to the above, SJH's fans will similarly support her as, to my understanding, the objections to Spartace were more about her involvement in yet another love line after MC with whatever this includes (scripted skits, obsessed fans etc.), rather than Spartace as an actual couple. Moreover, I think the Korean fanbase is accustomed to celebrities using similar excuses to hide their relationships. Besides there's a difference between fans learning the truth about their bias through rumours, gossip articles, paparazzi photos & videos and celebrities (agencies) themselves announcing. Lastly, if they really have to defend themselves to fend off any negative response to their "lies", there are various justifications to utilise; from saying they had to put their work first to claiming they recently decided to give romance a shot. They would never admit they're together since 2013 anyway and, like all celebrities, they have probably accepted there will always be some frustrated fans, no matter what they do.

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7 hours ago, carambsk said:

@Adora Dark If you don't mind, I hope you can answer questions from this newbie fan...

 

1) Why didn't JH attend JK's concert - is it because she was shooting her movie?  I felt that if they were a couple, she would be there no matter what, and being with other RM members would be the perfect 'cover'.  But then I also know that movie/TV shoots are gruelling and sometimes very far, so I didn't include this in my red flag list, although it makes me wonder.

 

2) Who is Tiny Oppa to JK?  It seems he's very important to JK, and seeing him very close to JH makes me smile. 

 

 

I'm not less of a newbie than you are, I only started watching RM this past April. I just have consumed a lot of content in a short time lol

2) James “Tiny” Kim is an old friend of KJK who lives in Koreatown, LA. They certainly are very close, as they both keep visiting each other in LA and Korea respectively. Just like you mention, Tiny seems to single out SJH whenever he is at the set of RM, he consistently takes photos with her, always having something nice or funny to share about his "sister", something that he doesn't do with the rest members as frequently. Also, I find it slightly suspicious how KJK is rarely pictured in said photos. Ask yourself, if you have been introduced to a nice person through your best friend, and you all have ended up sharing an amicable relationship with absolutely nothing hidden, wouldn't you take photos with both of them considering you visit their common workplace fairly often? Certainly not every single time you do, but at least sometimes ? With the exception of some earlier pictures, the only relatively recent photo that Tiny uploaded featuring both SJH & KJK was the one taken last December in the snowy scenery, at a time the shift towards the Spartace love line had already been decided - so, in the weeks/months to come, they would always have that as a justification. Moreover, the fact that Tiny's closeness to SJH has remained unchanged through the years reinforces the idea that, if Spartace once were lovers, they haven't broken up and still are.

1) Firstly, let me say I had wondered this myself. Now, I am not really an avid fan of SJH (perhaps other people are more familiar with her projects and scheduled appearances) but indeed KJK's much anticipated solo concerts collided with the period she was intensively shooting "Daughter". I remember members here mentioning that she looked tired in some episodes. Since you specifically mention the concert YJS, LKS and JSM also attended, people often overlook that everything was taking place within the boundaries of a TV show, My Ugly Duckling. I am not implying that his colleagues wouldn't honour him otherwise, but there's a big difference between concerts where guests are only captured on fancams (i.e. SJH's attending previous KJK-related events) and concerts where a full TV crew is present, dressing rooms are loaded with cameras and the final result is both scripted and edited. Working in a TV channel comes with responsibilities that transcend the needs of one show, it's a common practice for celebrities to support shows of the same network, they can be contractually obliged or, generally speaking, do it for additional cash/as a favour. Again, I'm not doubting YJS/LKS/JSM's camaraderie with KJK, but their presence in a MUD's episode was also part of business, no matter if other shippers are daydreaming. As for SJH, she has been to Turbo's concert in the past, as well as the opening of KJK & HH's restaurant, without a TV show recording her every move. If she is indeed in a relationship with KJK, I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't attend all of his concerts even when her working schedule isn't an obstacle. They are not in the beginning of their romantic liaison anymore. There's also the possibility they wanted to keep it low and avoid further rumours for a while, as that concert took place right when the heavy teasing of the love line came to an abrupt pause. But, most importantly, I think if she is indeed his lover, she will just stay backstage/pick him up after along with his entourage, and thus they'll never admit publically she was present in more concerts than we actually know.

 

 

7 hours ago, linzer03 said:

Just to add, SJH almost exclusively teases KJK in love lines, while she never teased LKS, KG, or any of the other members nearly as much. She does tease them from time to time, but she goes out of her way to tease KJK, and she's done so since the very early days. I don't know about y'all, but when I'm seeing a guy, I tease him about other women, saying things like "Ohh so that's your type". It's fun, and a teasing/light expression of jealousy. I think it's a pretty normal thing (at least for me?), and add that to KJK's on screen persona as @Adora Dark said, I think SJH's teasing of KJK with other women on the show makes sense.  

Honestly, I am the same. And I see this from older, settled-down couples too, they will both positively comment on a third person's physical traits, often in taunting mood towards each other. SJH teasing KJK about other women doesn't automatically exclude her as a bride candidate, if anything it enhances her place considering how involved she was every time she said or did something. Now, taking into account that playing along with a love line is what they are supposed to do for the needs of the show, we shouldn't expect anything less from SJH. We're actually lucky that RM has been going on for 9 years, with each episode being the product of long-lasting shooting, hence occasionally fleeting moments of Spartace unwillingness and jealousy during love lines have slipped the editors' group.

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Welcome here @carambsk ! It's always nice to meet new Spartace shippers and read their input I apologise in advance because I am going to disagree with some of the points you made and offer a different explanation to all of them, please be sure everything is said with good intention, if anything you're giving me (us) a chance to bring forth some arguments.
 

7 hours ago, carambsk said:

 

1) The biggest red flag for me is JH teasing both of themselves, especially when she initiates it.  It's one thing being teased by friends and other members (like Haha), but if they are together, there is a reason why they haven't disclosed their relationship.  So openly teasing him with herself could point to the other direction.  

 

 

For the most part, SJH teased him with herself following the loveline concept. While Haha and others have been hinting at their relationship way before the show even attempted to highlight them, and a lot of those moments aired in other shows or were taken from social media (i.e. Haha's Spartace photo to promote his wife's song, JSJ's deleting his reblogging of Spartace kiss manip) SJH initiated it in a few episodes on RM when that was the direction the show itself was taking. If they are together, this could mean two things:

a) She was doing her job. Even if KJK and SJH would rather not to engage into any loveline and reveal their relationship after RM ends, they are still bound by contracts. If the concept wanted one of them more active in the loveline while the other would be shying away, exactly because these behaviours align better with the roles they already play in the show (imagine KJK happily endorsing every flirty situation, who would believe him?) then that's what they would do regardless if they are together or not. Moreover, it's a way for her to gain more screentime. Even though the production may discuss and develop their plans along wth them, I don't believe Spartace have much of a saying in the changes made regarding lovelines. Don't forget we are talking about a show broadcast on a channel that back in late 2016 fired them both without proper notice.

b) It has been suggested by other members before, a reason why Spartace may have agreed to a more open teasing about their relationship could be exactly because we are heading closer to RM's end and the official announcement of their dating and/or marriage. It's a way of easing the audience into their reality without exposing much. In this case, I don't think it's odd that SJH occasionally embraces the loveline more comfortably than she would do in the past. Besides, as long as KJK keeps presenting himself as the single guy in pursuit of a wife and they both are very cautious with their interaction outside of RM to protect their relationship, whatever happens in the show's controlled environment right in front of the cameras won't have any negative effect on said relationship, no matter if they stand away from each other or tease themselves as a couple. So, honestly, she has no serious reason not to tease him/them if it can pass as a moment of entertainment. On the other hand, she has many reasons to be careful outside of RM, on social media, in interviews etc.

 

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2) Two other red flags: when he gets teased to other girls or members, by JH herself, and when JH herself wishes that he gets married or finds someone soon.  She seems sincere, in both cases, for me.

First of all, this is a matter of interpretation. If SJH's reactions in the same scene look sincere to you while pretentious to someone else, there isn't a lot to be said. However, I do have one suggestion and one simple point to make. For the former, I suggest everyone who has some free time to spare, to read through @linzer03 's reviews of SA scenes on RM from 2010 to 2016, especially during the episodes where KJK was being partnered/teased with female guests. She is analysing really well SJH's reactions, even if one doesn't agree with all the observations she makes, still she sheds ample light on questionable quotes and subtle motions viewers would have ignored otherwise. Now, picking a recent moment from the top of my head, I'll say that SJH had a very - to put it politely - unapproving facial expression when JSM mentioned inside the bus how her mother's favourite is KJK. For the latter, I'd like to point out that SJH will wish KJK to find marital happiness whether she is his girlfriend or his good friend. There are two long-lasting notions that have accompanied KJK throughout his career as a singer & entertainer; his muscles/good health hype and his search for a suitable girlfriend/wife. From questions in interviews to segments in shows, the gossip always revolves around them, essentially they are a part of his on screen persona. Therefore, it's impossible for SJH and the rest not to participate whenever his love life becomes the main topic. Further suspicions would be raised if SJH appeared unwilling to contribute to the discussion by adding to the wishes shared not only by the cast, but by a whole fandom. And obviously she will sport a smile, if she is a friend because she will really mean it, if she is a lover because she will want to make it believable.

 

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3) The other red flag is JK's mom's words when JH was a guest in MUD.  I have to admit that I haven't watched the full episode, that I've only seen snippets on YouTube.  It's one thing for the two of them to deny their relationship, but I think it's harder to expect that from JK's mom.  The three possibilities with the mom is that a) they're in a relationship but she doesn't know, b) they're in a relationship and she knows so she's faked her comments, or c) they're really not together and she really wishes that they were.  a and b are unlikely and unfortunately, it seems c is most likely the truth.

Honestly, while I can understand your worries and doubts regarding your previous points, here I feel there is a problem in the rational sequence between observation and conclusion.  If two celebrities are a couple who don't wish to reveal their status to the public yet, the first people I'd expect to help them and keep it a secret would be their immediate relatives. It would be shocking if KJK's mother confirmed their relationship, not only this would go against her son's wishes, but also it would beat the whole purpose of My Ugly Duckling - which revolves around older yet still single men - and the very reason she and KJK are paid for. Basing our deductions about Spartace on whether KJK's mother denied it during a very scripted show is pointless since she can't confirm it there in any case. I'm genuinely surprised you leapt to the third possibility. Also, everyone should keep in mind that despite her undoubted sweetness, KJK's mother isn't a newbie in front of the camera at all. She has been appearing on shows about her son - in short or longer segments - since his early years, she knows how to deal with questions about him. Considering how KJK has flatly stated more than once he will always deny he is in a relationship even if he trully is, the last one to deviate from this would be his own mother with whom he maintains a very close relationship. Actually, I'd say that episodes 79 & 80 of MUD when SJH guested, if evaluated thoroughly may reveal more evidence in favour of Spartace rather than against. 


By the way, even though it isn't very important, I'd like to say that I'm a very sceptical shipper myself. My posts here may be deceiving but I do have my own share of doubts which is though triggered by different Spartace moments/actions. It just so happens that said moments pale in comparison to the abundance of evidence we have.

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1 hour ago, Xonos said:

For me, ever since the fiasco of Monday Couple, I don't really trust any on screen love line on RM, so same goes for KJK and SJH...

 

If they really have a feelings and decide to proceed, I would think it will happen probably right after the end of RM, or their departure from RM. But for now, I don't think it can happen even though they want it as it will create so much complication in RM itself...

KJK and SJH were a loveline months ago and only for a brief time. Their closeness as well as the questionable moments in and out of RM exist since the early seasons, when neither the show, nor the media were treating them as a potential couple. The fact that at the 9th season of RM, the production decided to take advantage of their bond and the rumours that already circulated by consistently highlighting their relationship for a dozen of episodes (while in the past they had only occassionally done so) has nothing to do with whether Spartace have been lovers or not. Indeed whatever happens in RM, right in front of the cameras, serves mainly the needs of the show. The members exaggerating their reactions and SA playing along are such examples. Whether these moments are completely staged though or there's some truth behind them which extends into real life, has to be judged by taking into consideration what is happening whenever SA isn't focused on or is off camera. For example, LKS was being partnered up with every female guest and in all cases he exhibited enthusiasm like a lovestruck man. One of said cases was his current girlfriend too, their mutual attraction wasn't proven to be another fake loveline, even though at first glance it could seem so.

The Monday Couple, despite the plethora of scenes and the promotion by production & cast, had no meaningful interaction outside of RM. Even their on screen moments often had to be initiated by someone else. Unless they were about to engange into a comedic/lovey-dovey skit, SJH and KG didn't give each other any special treatment (in contrast, it was always KJK the one she would lean to in the background). So I think it is unfair to compare the two ships and simply conclude that if first one was a fraud, so is the second one. Generally, I agree that lovelines are fake, but that is not solely because they happen on camera, it is cause they have no continuation behind it. Do you see the difference? Furthermore, said continuation has to be indicative of romance. Chatting in a scene's background, taking a nice photo, making a compliment or openly teasing someone on social media aren't romantic hints, but merely proofs two people are getting along well and their friendship isn't just business. Spartace have such moments in their history , and although fans treasure them and tend to fixate even on SA walking side by side, they don't rely on these scenes to validate Spartace (those not too delusional at least).

I do agree that if they really have feelings for each other, then their contracts with RM have to end first before they can greet the public as a couple. KJK has said it himself in an older interview, an open romantic relationship would jeopardise the show. But this is related to how much the audience and the media know, privately they wouldn't wait for RM to end to act on their feelings as if they are shooting a teen drama, they are both around 40 and work in an industry that buries its secrets quite well. Whatever they needed to confess to each other,  they have done it long ago. Whether they had an on-off relationship, whether they were only casual lovers for a short time, whether they are still together and plan to marry, everything has already happened or been decided. If nothing has happened yet, then it never will even if RM ends tomorrow, it means they only share a healthy friendship.

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1 hour ago, kimmongji01 said:

Good Morning  I enjoyed reading the point of views here. @Adora Dark now I become curious about the 2015 SBS drama awards when Haha asked KJK about that question. I hope I can find a video clip in Youtube. 

 

 
It will be great if anyone has the moment isolated and fully subbed, and shares it here. But if you have no luck finding it, you can check out the following fanvid because it includes the scene (among others, so it's worth watching in general). The Awards moment starts at 03:35. KJK literally panics to Haha's persistent questioning. Even if they had agreed on acting it out this way, only thing they would have achieved would be to raise suspicions about someone other than JSJ.
 

This is a very deliberate and funny translation of what was actually said:

https://commanderandace.tumblr.com/post/136300064614/uri-hyung-and-nae-dongsaeng-presenting-an-award

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3 hours ago, winnerslast said:

Wasn't this also KJK's response when Han Hye Jin (ep. 317) asked him about marriage and he said "They told me to get married later," or am I remembering wrong?

 
Yes, this is his response while pointing to his left where JSJ and HH are seated. Then YJS intervenes, saying "We didn't mean this late". Honestly, if HH's question and KJK's suspicious nervousness hadn't preceded this episode, I would have thought the whole thing was a funny invention to garnish his usual answers to marriage inquiries, as none of his hyungs would seriously advise him to wait. But back in the 2015 Awards, he didn't continue HH's joke, he just entered panic mode right after HH asked if the person who told him to wait is from RM. If indeed that person was JSJ, then all KJK had to do was to blurt something funny in return. If his jittery reaction was scripted, then all HH had to do was to slightly alter the question, i.e. "Is that person someone I know?". Anything really that wouldn't have already narrowed the possible answers down to the RM members. Because all they succeeded was to raise suspicions, as obviously hardly anyone would believe KJK was referring to JSJ after that reaction.

About SJH's leaving her agency, I think this move just grants her more freedom to settle her plans (any kind of plans), as it happens with any freelancer in any industry. Regarding a possible wedding, why would she need more freedom to get married when others in her place didn't, the answer may be related to different aspects of each celebrity's work environment and personal reasons unknown to us. Also, if she is really in a romantic relationship with KJK, I feel that she is following his lead and didn't renew her contract, just like him. Of course, there's always the possibility she is on the lookout for a bigger agency to help her fully expand her acting career once RM ends. I read that the ratings of her latest TV drama weren't very good. I don't follow her news but if her fans insist she needs a better agency, then the reason behind her departure might be simpler than any romantic conspiracies lol In this case, I'm wondering why she would let her contract expire instead of leaving sooner, if she was really displeased, but maybe the practice is different in Korean entertainment. I would appreciate the input of anyone more familiar with how the industry operates.

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4 hours ago, cho2 said:

Also I noticed the post of @Adora Dark about byul and JSM (it was on hidden content) i mean I read it all and there was nothing about the spartace in there.  

 

 

And this is why it is hidden content, so that anyone who doesn't want to (continue) read(ing) it, can easily skip it, as I had already mentioned. (my answer continues under tag cause it takes up space)

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No one obliges anyone to read posts under spoiler tags, they are supposed to be like this so that readers can proceed in opening them with caution and on their own accord. It is a practice I've seen before on this board, members put comments that are only indirectly related to Spartace (or completely unrelated) under spoiler tags with a warning, it isn't something I just randomly took the initiative of. Moreover, I disagree that my post was unrelated to this board. A fandom may be themed after a ship but it consists of its shippers. Lately, I've seen fellow Spartacers being stressed or having doubts exactly cause they get influenced by arguments presented by different shipdoms. The reasoning behind the post was to show the weak points and the outrageousness of one of those arguments, plus the conclusion was the direct mentioning of SJH as a solid SA hint coming from Byul (so yes, there was a Spartace reference.) I think that disproving/contrasting theories when rumours about either KJK or SJH and someone else rise are indirectly connected to SA, in the sense that they help Spartace shippers clear off any doubts. Because I acknowledge they may not be everyone's cup of tea, I will continue putting them under spoiler tags and include appropriate warnings for those interested in reading, plus I always make sure they are only a part of my comment while the main content in the post is strictly SA related.  

Moving on.

9 hours ago, Suzliney said:

sorry if you all not understand because english not my 1st language..
 

Honestly, I think that 9 out of 10 in this forum aren't English native speakers, so please don't worry, we all much or less know how you feel and no one is going to be judgemental English isn't my mother tongue either. Also, I understand why you singled out the specific SA scenes, the first one emanates a very fairy tale feeling, while the second one makes SJH stand out as a woman in KJK's life, considering how praised KJK is about his manners towards female co-workers and guests.
 

13 hours ago, Tanya said:

 SJH has both moon in Aquarius and sun signs in Leo, while KJK has sun sign in Taurus and moon sign in Pisces. So to KJK, he's highly sensitive to emotional matters, the Taurus in his sun sign help him to look strong in front of everyone, but inside with Pisces, seem like he could cry every day. One thing important is that he would be very loyal

Moon in Pisces also shows a very artistic nature. No wonder why KJK, despite his muscular body and intimidating role, is actually a singer, can draw very well etc. It will be interesting to know where their Venus planets are, so we can see what they ask for in a relationship and how they express themselves. Btw, I believe Gary is a Pisces as he was born on the 24th.

I still haven't watched the latest episode even though it looks hella fun. So instead of reviewing it here, I'd like to share some thoughts I made last night while discussing with my friend, triggered by SJH's leaving her agency. Because they concern moments of the past, it's possible some of you have already discussed them and ended up in similar conclusions.

Remember back in the 2015 SBS Entertainment Awards, when HH and KJK had the usual dialogue about the latter getting married and KJK said that he intends to but someone has told him to wait. The intros before presenting each award are scripted (or at least agreed on) and up to that point it seems that's the case with KJK & HH, until HH asks if the one who told KJK to wait is from RM, provoking a rather nervous reaction from KJK. Whether the whole thing was scripted or HH just grabbed the chance to further his teasing is debatable, however the point remains it's a very interesting moment with SA undertones.

Fast forward to My Ugly Duckling, in one of KJK's earlier episodes (ep 80, SJH as a guest), he is talking about his long-lasting relationships, mentioning two and focusing, as always, on the 7-years one. He admits that he made his then partner wait too long for them to get married and that, ultimately, he was responsible for their separation. Now, I'm not an avid fan of MUD, it's too staged, however what made the biggest impression on me and - with the exception of KJK revealing on Strong Heart how his life was threatened - has touched me the most among all the things he has ever said, was the following line "It was my fault, and now I'm paying for it." His voice slightly cracks so that has enhanced the overall sentiment. In the context it is said, and considering KJK is the eternal single on a mission to find a spouse, it seems at first that he is reminiscing about the past and blames his loneliness on some "bad karma". He didn't get married when he could and now that he is ready for it, he can't find a suitable wife. However, there is another interpretation.

Assuming that KJK was being honest back in 2015 and that HH's question wasn't exactly a joke (in the end they mention that JSJ was the one that advised KJK to wait, but whoever has watched the clip from the Awards can tell they were just ending their segment, brushing the truth off) and combining them with KJK's confession on MUD, his words acquire a different meaning. He is eager to take the big step , however his current partner is the one who has asked him to wait. He is "paying" for his old choices by experiencing exactly what his ex girlfriend did.

Considering his current partner might have always been SJH, as HH implied back in 2015 and other evidence indicate, her departure from the agency may signal the beginning of long awaited changes in her life. Often people challenge the validity of SA by saying "but it's been so many years, would they really postpone their marriage for such a later stage?". Yes, they would, there are many legitimate reasons for them to delay regardless of how willing KJK appears on camera, and if we can speculate some of said reasons ( i.e. SJH's career ), we clearly overlook others (i.e. family or health related). One thing is certain, it will be a restless period for us, as a fandom, as we'll be waiting for SJH's next step. I haven't completely excluded the possibility she leaves RM before KJK, although I'll talk about this in another post cause this one is already turning to a sheet of words

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Can you lot resolve this in private? It's meaningless for the rest of us cause it's a he said/she said situation, where we are just watchers without being able to verify anything of substance and, frankly, as long as Spartace & its shippers are respected on these boards, it isn't of our concern who sees them as good friends, who sees them as a couple and what people's personal opinions on other members are. Not all of us follow the accounts you keep mentioning, not all of us are veterans knowing each Spartacer's past contribution to the fandom. If anyone has lost faith in Spartace for whatever reason and yet keeps jumping in here to offer their neutral POV, the joke will be on them in the end because their intentions differ from actual Spartacers' who favour objective and factual thinking. At the same time, enjoying JSM (or even KJK & JSM) isn't always a sign of a fan having switched sides as if we are at some peculiar fandom war. I prefer JSM to SJH as an entertainer in RM for example, what does this imply for me? Do you see where I'm going with these examples?
It was enough confusing at first trying to understand whether KJK is represented by his Turbo agency or not, with two seemingly knowledgeable people contrasting each other.

Now, regarding the news on SJH. Let's wait and see if she'll remain free of agents or not. Is this a common practice in Korea when celebrities decide to take a break, focus on certain aspects of their lives or have reached a level they can manage themselves? KJK being under his own label as a solo artist and entertainer means pretty much the same; he is more independent. It's interesting to see whether SJH's decision is also a step towards more independence - with all the implications this may leave for her personal life, especially as 2020 approaches (RM might be ending, KJK has included 2020 in his supposed marriage plan, SJH will be turning 40 which has been teased as a milestone etc.) - OR it's mainly the outcome of dissatisfaction in regards to the services her agency provided, as I see many of her fans pointing it out she deserves to be represented by a bigger/better one.

Anyway, I haven't watched the latest episode yet, the  SA clips circulating on social media are overwhelming, and so are the lobsters used as fictitious hints in delululand.

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On 9/24/2019 at 10:05 PM, Adines Nugraha said:

@Adora Dark

can't wait for your writings about seoul fm, specially those "non-existence" evidence

My Seoul fanmeeting analysis probably won't be that interesting, but I hope I deliver lol Ad interim, it seems that the world has gone mad, I mean just now I saw Byul's post and (I'm putting the rest under spoiler tag so everyone can skip it)...

 

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...I read a couple of comments associating JSM's meeting Byul (who recently had a new baby so it is expected she'll be accepting visitors) with KJK and fearing what this may mean. Literally one co-worker met up with the wife of another co-worker and that somehow is solely related to a third co-worker. It's a highly common practice in most cultures and working environments. The implications would actually sound ridiculous if they weren't additionally irritating, because such baseless theories underrate the relationship between JSM and HH first and foremost, as well as JSM herself.

JSM didn't meet HH through KJK, I would evaluate these incidents differently if she hanged out with his personal friends (like SJH has done). HH is a co-worker and a friend of JSM as much as KJK is, perhaps even more so, considering KJK has always been a guy colleagues don't get close to easily (remember it took both LKS and YSC a while to develop their friendship). HH has also been teasing JSM on social media for a while now, it had never been KJK's privilege that now "suspiciously" started to change, he has teamed up with her on RM and they generally seem to have a healthy relationship regardless of KJK. Meanwhile, Byul has been featured on RM before, she isn't new to interacting with the members. Just because she shared cute photos of hers with JSM now, appreciating the visit, it is absurd to believe that they only now (and never before) started bonding because of KJK. It's a logical jump lol.

But, more importantly, it is a logical jump that degrades JSM; according to this theory she isn't there as JSM, the co-worker who deliberately decided to visit a mother and her new baby, but as KJK's companion so they can grace the fanbase with "hints" - because that's what KJK normally does, he disperses "hints" right and left. It is a logical jump that degrades JSM and HH's relationship; it completely ignores the fact JSM and HH already share a great partnership and a blooming friendship that justifies her interacting with his wife, and instead filters it through her closeness to KJK. I'm sincerely saying this without malice, regardless of the nature of JSM's relationship to KJK and in spite of his whereabouts at the time those photos were taken. I would still say the same even if JSM was KJK's love interest, because she is a person of her own.

I don't know if Byul will actually give us some substantial evidence regarding JSM in the near future. I will honestly acknowledge it if I see it, I like JSM even though I don't ship her with KJK, still I'd wish them every happiness if they were more than friends. But so far the only mysterious clue coming from Byul herself that's worth considering involves SJH and aired in Big Picture.

Ok now back to the reason I originally jumped in here, I saw this tweet about scenes in RM insinuating jealousy on KJK's part and figured it would be a nice memory-refresh for all. Personally, I disagree that KJK was jealous during episode 445 as everything seemed part of a concept, but the rest moments are more denotative because not only they were never highlighted in the show, but also they can hardly be spotted unless fans zoom in.
 

Also the following pics from RM shooting. SJH and KJK standing side by side in the 2nd photo (I'm mentioning this for purely aesthetic reasons, not to feed delusions).
 

Lastly, I have a little story to share. Please don't take it as a serious juxtaposition, but rather as a metaphor my train of thoughts led me to. In one of the divorce cases appointed to our law office, filed on the grounds of adultery, the husband had maintained extramarital activities for years with a woman he had originally introduced to his wife as his expatriate cousin. In retrospect, their behaviour in front of our client had been blatantly suspicious, but at the time she was completely deceived because a) her husband had said they were family, so it had to be true and b) two reunited family members being very close, how typical, right? Funnily enough this dispute reminded me of Spartace. If that woman, despite all the evidence parading in front of her eyes, despite accessing her husband's environment and living with him, still she never doubted him, then why would RM fans doubt SA's claims of being family, right? They (we) barely know them. Anyway, as I said, I'm not seriously comparing the two cases. I mean, yeah, there are long lost cousins which are real too

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I have so many points to make and things to write, mostly about the Seoul fanmeeting, that I fear my post will be endless But some truths need to be said because I'm reading a lot of scenarios loaded with irrationality around the fandoms and I feel some SA fans may have started buying into nonexistent "evidence" lol

In the meantime, this hasn't been shared yet, has it? Now, just because two people are sitting or standing next to each other in a line up, it doesn't mean there is something suspicious obviously, however physical proximity does give more chances for meaningful interaction, as well as actual shady moments characterised by sneaky behaviour (not just on screen smiles and hugs after performances lol) like the ones only Spartace has so far.
 

 

 

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It will be a pity if this scene doesn't make it to the final cut. The shooting is taking place in Anyang, no wonder KJK is "strolling" with SJH almost as if he owns the place The close up on Spartace that Renata shared had already thousands of views & likes within the first 30 minutes of its upload, and that may be the international fanbase, but people love seeing them teamed up, regardless of shipping. They are like the good old recipe, you can never go wrong with it.

 

Also, JSM uploaded cute pics of hers with Kwang Soo in the background, but unlike in the clips/photos above, she is wearing the red team's sweater. If that means the members can switch teams, I hope Spartace will stick together.

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They look gorgeous in those photos. Although they would inevitably interact because they are grouped up (along with HH , JSJ and JSM) still - in the clips/photos shared so far at least - they keep closer than the rest. Below Spartace walking and smiling amidst everyone else running lol
 

 

 

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Hello everyone! No matter which corner of the earth you are reading this from, I hope you're having a good day/night  This is only related to KJK, but watching his promo for the game Perfect World made me really excited and brought back so many memories. Sadly, we can't synch, either he modeled for this game ten years too late, or I was playing it ten years too early.  

Now, I was browsing the social media and since I was astonished once again by how gullible people can be, I decided to log in here and share some opinions. Because the post was turning out too long, I divided it and will share the second part about the Seoul fanmeeting after I watch the latest episode. I hope I don't end up being tiresome.

 

But, first, a late reply to a comment on my previous post:
 

On 9/2/2019 at 6:41 AM, mn0096 said:

While none of us can be sure until SA reveal either way, comments like those from my sister and your friend boost my confidence that SA are indeed “more.” 

Hello, Marina! This is such a big, undeniable truth. It's a validation when unbiased people state as obvious what we fear/are accused of seeing through shipping googles. My friend's impartial perspective helps me both at times I am being overly cautious with SA, trying to devise all sorts of excuses when the explanation to what I am seeing is a simple "yes, that's a behaviour traditionally attributed to couples" , and at times I am excitedly overanalysing gestures and scenes, distinguishing hidden meanings and love shapes when the answer is "no, that's just a cloud". When it comes to SA, there can be various explanations for their questionable moments if we view them isolated, however there's only one linking them and consistently justifying them all these years. It speaks volumes when said explanation is the first thought popping in the minds of viewers who haven't been absorbed by the enormity of the shipdom and its traps.

 

Onto the "SA is family" narrative now, which inevitably keeps resurfacing and I see it repeated under the video featuring the backstage SA moment at the fanmeeting in Seoul. I'm genuinely surprised with how often people, SA shippers included, completely embrace this scenario based exclusively on the feeble "KJK/SJH said so" argument. I would acknowledge anyone actually making a case for this narrative, regardless if I agreed with the points. However, simply accepting whatever SA may reply to a straightforward question about their love life as an indisputable truth is irrational and driven either by naivety or animosity towards SA, when a) the consensus within the Korean entertainment industry is that the celebrities hide the true nature of their relationships until they are ready for an official announcement, b) KJK  has stated more than once he will insist he is single, even when he is not. The man basically made it easy for the fandoms by invalidating his own words, to the point that we can almost completely disregard his refusals to direct inquiries on his love life. Therefore, in order to be able to discuss about the "SA is family" narrative, we all have to agree first on a general admission; whether SA are close friends or lovers, they will still bolster the same "we can't date because we're family" excuse.
 

In the case of their being honest with us, there's nothing much to add about SA. There may be an interest in dissecting the reasons why the fandom keeps mistaking them for a couple, while they've been simply admitting the truth.
 

The focus falls back on SA when we take into consideration the second option, aka they have been hiding the truth. In such an event, emphasizing their familial bond as an obstacle to dating is possibly the best pretext they could ever bring forth, certainly better than the "we are only colleagues/best friends" excuses. For three basic reasons:
 

1) It is, generally speaking, true. After working closely for so many years, often under difficult circumstances, all the members are considered a family in the wider meaning of the word. It is important for an excuse to be believable and there's no better way than it being in a sense/partly true.
 

2) It is the only narrative that can still provide some cover for many of their romantic missteps on and off camera. Any other excuse pales in comparison to the couple justification, their intimacy and co-dependency simply can't be convincingly attributed to senior-junior affinity, common friendship or cast camaraderie. Imagine the family narrative as a relatively safe playground where they can occasionally get away with certain shenanigans as long as they keep claiming they are just kids.
 

3) The idea of family implants negative connotations in love matters. It is written in our subconscious, the moment someone is labeled as brother/sister/family, speculations about erotic feelings suddenly seem inappropriate and sometimes cease. Even though their calling each other family didn't put a permanent end to the rumours surrounding them, still I believe the Spartace fandom would have been even wider, had they played only the " just good friends" card.
 

In reference to the third point above, I'm in favour of the probably unpopular opinion that even when two people honestly considered themselves as "siblings" at some point, that doesn't mean their dynamic remained the same and they never evolved to lovers. The fans always put their idols onto pedestals, we like to idealise their lives and their personalities, we revel in their good manners, supposed high morals and kindness, often projecting our own standards on them. However, the reality away from the spotlight isn't like this. Celebrities may say that they don't mix love with work, that they value X person as a friend and would never ruin that relationship, that they are loyal to their official bf/gf, that ultimately "family" members can't date, but more often than not this is not what is happening. People betray their own ethics all the time. Yes, even the strict-looking, honourable ones. So, even if Spartace progressed from co-workers to friends to family during the first three yeas of RM, even if thoughts like "he/she is like a brother/sister to me, I can't ruin it" crossed their minds, it doesn't mean they remained faithful to them. And this isn't reprehensible, it's very humane. Personally, I believe there was always attraction between them and it was never an issue of family bonding, however I thought it is worth mentioning that even if it was, in the end it didn't matter.
 

There's one more thing before closing the family topic. Often fans mention that husband and wife are also family, usually in reference to what KJK said to HaHa in Big Picture. Indeed, family is more like an umbrella term over various kinds of kinship. There's no point in playing with the words though, it is obvious that when Spartace use the family excuse, they do not intend for us to conclude they imply husband and wife. In the future, if they do officially announce their relationship, they can toy with the multiple meanings of "family" and perhaps make dealing with the public easier for them. Anyway, the main reason I'm bringing this up is because I read again on other social media the opinion that KJK was contrasting himself and there's a suspicious notion in "SA is family" when KJK tells HaHa "family are your wife and sons whom you love". I do agree that it's a funny contrast, one of those that make our eyebrows arch in question, however I do not think it can be used in a strong pro-SA argument. If anyone believes KJK was seriously contrasting himself in Big Picture and would like to talk about it, please feel welcome to message me. As my opinion kinda differs, I'd rather not to expand on it in this post.
 

Before logging in, I read the following comment: "anyone with enough life experience would know that there's very little chance that there's anything between KJK and SJH". It is funny reading this because I too blame the lack of life experience, along with certain cultural and social norms, however not for the conclusions "SA is real/not real" themselves, but rather the choice of clues and arguments people sometimes base them on. For example, if Spartace hugging in Jakarta is for a fan a strong hint something is going on between them, they need to rethink the way they judge these shows and their participants in general. Likewise, all those rejecting any chance of SA being or having been lovers, are probably the ones without enough life experience. Yes, a lot of SA moments are typical of people sharing great camaraderie. This observation still doesn't address every piece of evidence that has been shared in this topic alone since 2013.

Generally, it "feels nice" belittling others to ensure they look like an expert to the community, whereas they're using only generalizations and avoiding any reasoning that would provide their claims with some leverage. It makes me question what kind of "life experience" makes one think that everything KJK and SJH do together is exclusively attributed to good friends and is forbidden for couples lol Sometimes I even wonder how many of us actually have sisterly friends of the opposite sex whom we consider family, yet we can be mistaken for lovers. Because, somehow, many anti-SA present themselves very knowledgeable in this field, readily espousing the "he treats her like a sister" rhetoric, but judging by how easily RM fans see i.e. romantic implications during a choreography or in a touch on a shoulder during a photo session or - this is my favourite - jealousy in every little thing, I highly doubt they can maintain really close friendships with the opposite sex without misunderstandings (or that they even live in environments where such proximity is encouraged). That said, I can't really blame the serious sceptics, not when there's a plethora of pictures, videos & comments romanticising even the very air SA are breathing in. For an outsider, the important and seriously questionable moments inevitably disappear within the jumble of biased interpretations. That's unavoidable for every fandom, however, and in a way it's part of the appeal.
 

Anyway, I have to put a fullstop here. I know most of the points I make (and will make) you all have read before, but I've only joined the fandom this year. I'll return with some thoughts regarding the fanmeeting. If you made it to the end, thanks for your patience. Also, I'm just going to leave this here because I found it again. I'm sure not only you all do this with your adult (30+) siblings, but also you usually do it just as sneakily.
 

 

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In the light of the latest Spartace scenes, I decided to quote here my friend (he is not a Spartace shipper, nor he mingles with the RM fandom) instead of sharing my opinion (for now). We were discussing, and eventually drifted to arguing, about the "family" excuse and generally the course of Spartace the last year - more or less. I was the one questioning and playing the devil's advocate again. I have censored certain words and apologise in advance to anyone that might feel offended by the tone of what follows.
 

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"Literally nothing changed lol

just more of the same old RM

tell me what's changed from last week? Nothing

This new incident proves nothing

It really proves absolutely nothing

it's just more of the same old s**t

they won't admit to anything

kookie oppa like a brother to me we could never date

blah blah blah

if they have broken up, then it will never come out they dated

if they are together if they finally marry or whatever

they can say

we were told to deny it .... we started during RM's last year....or there was too much pressure...or we couldn't be a true couple on the show and put work first...literally people won't mind they lied before as much as you think they will, did everyone hate Gary when he got married proving that the whole Monday Couple was a lie? Fans won't be super offended because a couple at their 40s used to say they can't date. They have bigger scandals to worry about. They'll be happy Kook settled down.

Anyway, It's a fake show, same as any UK show, there are producers, directors, ppl who work on storylines, ppl who devise ways to gain press. Lovelines on the show are just for the show, they are literally called lovelines ... just stories. What happens in the show isn't important, why dont you get that?

Kook plays awkward all the f**ki*g time."

[....]

"Look they work together, of course they will be close and joke and sometimes flirt for the show etc etc. But with Kook there was literally someone saying they were spotted sneaking into toilets.
There was footsie.
She acts like a gf tending to him, fetching his socks, massaging."

[....]

"Don't know for whom the host said it? Oh come on now. Who else was there? Gary? Yeah yeah we know that's bs. Their whole MC thing was embarrassing."

[....]

"You keep droning on and on about how the public think they arent a couple, how the show did this and that, see? lol It's pathetic.
I've told you my opinion 100 times.
I knew they were a couple when I saw those clips of them, it was confirmed by rest of evidence you showed me, their friends clearly knew.
I've told you 100 times I dont know if they are still together in 2019, need to wait for evidence
and the show isn't evidence, helena , it's edited and produced. There is no evidence they broke up either, so until I see sth either way, I assume they are a couple."

[....]

"My point is you have too little info, Kook is too private, too evasive.
Kook has kept all his relationships secret for almost 25 years.
Imagine that 25 f**ki*g years.
all the tv shows, all the trips, all the awards shows, all the concerts
You're lucky RM has been running for way too long that moments inevitably slipped."

[....]

"JSM lol The fans are reaching. There's nothing.
Kook stood next to her big f**ki*g deal. It's a preplanned order to take photos LOL
Seriously,  you're just nuts."

[....]

"This is what I told you when you first became obsessed

but you never pay attention

they cannot come out cause of the show

you are missing what this PD said, it's not sth the show created for ratings, and he said that long before they tried to turn them into a loveline.
LOOK...

this guy says nope they are close IRL

and you still arent happy
it's irrelevant if they attempted a loveline in 2019.
Dont you f**ki*g get it?

What happens in the show is mostly unimportant

they tried spartace for ratings

didnt work

irrelevant
meaningless
cause he basically admitted that they are personally involved, saying 2 celebs are very close privately is basically saying they are an item, he didnt just say they are friends, he said they are peronally close. Who gives a s**t about another fake loveline?

Now they may edit all the spartace stuff out, cause koreans dont like, but he could have said they are close colleagues. Saying single people are so close is one step beyond."

[....]

"Exactly helena you know how the industry works

you know the lovelines are nonsense

but they are privately close

she dines with his relatives

not just his friends, his relatives

drives them home

they wear similar clothes

she supposedly has Kook do her fitness

she doesnt do that with any of the other cast

hell even Kook's best friend seems way closer to her than the rest members whenever he visits RM.
Do you not see?

you focus on the s**t in the show too much

I told you they have storylines and chase ratings

it's the stuff away from work which tells me they were - and perhaps still are - a couple."

 

 

Oh btw, I'm Helena, nice to meet you all

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