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  1. Yoooooo....this drama is straight up crazy! I will watch this again with subs because context, but what was that ending?!


    Seems like we have two more episodes as the finale next week, still no reveal for the Island (can we please get that tomorrow??!!)

    And writernim should have just made this drama 30 something episodes since she likes doing all these 'twists' and dragging storylines out.


    This is why I was hoping she wouldn't constantly flip-flop how she wrote LH, since redemption seems even more unlikely now. (unless there's some 00.01% chance SN actually returns that kiss and doesn't throw him over her petite shoulder tomorrow...) I wanted a consistent, ruthless, smart and charismatic emperor that I could hate with all my heart and root for the empress to take him down with the sexy bodyguard...but no, he can't even be smart, he's just dumb, I had thought maybe it was a bit of willful ignorance but no, he's really not that bright.  


    I I just want this to end now, don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying every minute of this show while lmao at the same time because I can't keep up with this writer's unpredictability. 


    I just want it to end with Sunny coming up on top. 


    Can't wait for tomorrow's episode it's going to be even more cray. 

  2. I said I wasn't but I lied, this drama...yo I've been doing nothing but lmao! 


    Sunny is wrecking Empress Dowager with grace and style and I'm living for it! XD Sunny just playing 'the game of thrones' and winning is just awesome. Augh, off topic but i cannot wait for the last season of got, *mentally preparing myself to witness all my fav characters dying cause GRRM is a sadist and i'm a masochist XD


    Mother Dearest has the funniest facial expressions I have ever seen. Shin Eun Kyung and Shin Sung Rok were cast perfectly as mother and son their facial expressions, I can't! 


    Lee Hyuk is cray cray for realz, omg I'll be disappointed if SSR doesn't become a lead a rom com. But for real though, why did this crazy nut come out of the car, popping off guns at the paparazzi? LOL What?!


    Also writers stop showing poor baby Lee Hyuk, he's still cray-cray even though your trying to make my heart clench at the abuse, at the neglect. TT_TT


    I'mma need Nanny Seo to back off! Sunny isn't that type of woman, if she was she would have already shown signs of mistreating Ari like that, she's not you! Don't play with my baby princess' heart like that. Srsly, I petition for Sunny to adopt Ari at this point. Dad is either going to end up dead or in an asylum and mom is getting life with no parole. 


    She can take Dong Shik too, giving guard Kang never recovers from the trauma he was put through :(


    BTW, I hope it was the guard that witness Nanny Seo killing So Hyun. 


    I wonder if Sunny is going to step in and save Woo Bin from Lee Hyuk again? Ahh and crazy LH is back again, XD

    For real tho...Woo Bin, my dude you have to tone down the heart eyes for the Empress until she's single again. 


    Lee Hyuk desperate to keep Sunny by his side....wow...I have no words for this...I want to say deluded but I think he's just blindly pretending to not acknowledge that Sunny might have developed feelings for Woo Bin and vice versa, he at least is self aware that her attempts at being nice is not because she really means it and that she hates him 5ever, prob with a dash of pity. But desperation can make people do crazy things so...


    The dynamic between this trio is going to be interesting to watch next week. 


    I want to feel bad for Yu Ra but bish is crazy too and her treatment of Dong Shik is the worst. 


    Sunny and her family being savage towards the emperor, yass!!


    Ehh, writers the whole 'WB has 3 months or less to live' better be for drama sake. Like you better not kill him off or people will riot, just saying. 


    I mean I have always been a lover of foeyay/enemy, immoral and crack ships but I'm still here for the good healthy slow burn that is Woo Bin/Sunny or Bunny as I like to call them XD. 


    I'll be fine if Sunny doesn't end up with anyone but I don't want WB dying, like, come on!


    I think that's it. I'm not making anymore speculations as I'm watching this as the drama unfolds I'm just hoping for a happy ending that's all. 

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  3. Just signed in to say; I trust nothing!


    Other then, they sure know how to create buzz with this latest preview! XD 


    I think a lot of it, is going to turn out being just as unpredictable as everything else.


    I have some speculations but...in another 8 or so hrs, Miss Writernim will most likely dash every one of them so /shrugs


    Not going to watch it, still waiting for the show to finish so I can binge watch the rest of it.


    The only thing I like of the preview were the few sec glimpses of more Mommy!Sunny with Ari :3


    I've never had high expectations of a prominent romance, but I will cling to any interaction between WB/SN that I get. XD


    And yea, as long as no one dies, I'm kosher.

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  4. 11 hours ago, ChewyChocolate said:

    I decided to write my own take on the scene where Sunny wakes up and finds Lee Hyuk in her bedroom. As a Lee Hyuk-Sunny shipper, I am desperate. 


    Check it out here.




    ....Nice! Another desperate fan, that wonders if you're going to continue? Yeah, i know canon LH/SN is all kinds of ......but i did say it's the appeal, don't judge me! :sweat_smile:

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  5. @triplem @ktcjdrama Oh no, don't get me wrong, I would love to see Lee Hyuk's character redeemed, like I really would and I want to hope he feels some sort of remorse, I want to believe he can and has but than his character does a 180 and I'm like, why??? I know a lot of his issues stem from manipulation by mommy dearest and MYR to an extent, but he also had a choice of whether to follow along with whatever MYR said or not.


    Again, if the writer is going for some sort of redemption, I would like it to be consistent in showing that. I just don't like being invested in a character's development only for the writer to never take it anywhere. I just hope the writer doesn't continue with the constant back and forth of will LH be redeemed or not, until the very last episode. If he's due to be reformed, now is the time to begin showing that and not drag it out until the end, otherwise it's going to be really hard for me to buy his redemption. (if one is planned)


    I'm just looking at it from the perspective of having low expectations, so if he doesn't get redeemed my hopes for a redemption arc aren't too high. 

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  6. @stroppyse Thanks, I tend to get really invested when I come across shows I really enjoy XD.


    Oh thank god, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who went dude?! srsly?! at what LH was implying. I said before and I'll say it again, no amount of pity points is going to make me jump ship or root for LH to change because he takes one step forward, several steps back. I never saw his love as real love for Sunny but as an obsession and I predicted that in order for love line to happen between Sunny and Wang Shik, Lee Hyuk was going to order his bodyguard to get close to her while the two plot together to take that family down.  And as soon as LH started to see Yu Ra's true colors he was going to get jealous and start finding someone else to fill the void, that person of course being Sunny. 


    It was the only thing that made sense to me, writing wise...I just never thought the writer would actually go in this drama XD


    At least the writer is staying consistent with LH's character in showing how he goes from one extreme to the next, so kudos for that. I know people want to see him redeemed but...his character has never tried to be remorseful since ep.1 his solution to the ever widening divide between him and sunny is not wanting to take blame or wanting the truth to be hidden. And it'll be really cheap and a sad cop out if he's suddenly remorseful at the end. Nah ah, If he had been upfront about the car accident from jump street he would've been absolved and we would be dealing with a different kind of character, one who knows and understands morals and ethics and one I would really feel sorry for, for being surrounded by people who use him. 


    Like, I can't even take his conviction to want to protect Sunny seriously because, not only does Sunny need protection from Dowager Kang, she also needs protection from her husband. *shrugs* Ehh, we'll see where this story goes towards the end but I'm not holding my breath. 


    I worry because now that the previous chief guard is helping Yu Ra, they are so going to spill the beans to LH who is already being driven stir crazy with hallucinations about Wang Shik. That WB is WS...WB asked for LH to cash in on his promise (to try to save Sunny but I also know he feels for her too). 


    I will say, Lee Hyuk will at first until he finds out that WB is WS, if his obsession for Sunny is going to get worse...and it will, now that he's intelligent enough to know she ain't having it, he probably forces her to stay by his side to spare WB's life. If he can use her family against her to sign divorce papers, he'll use her feelings for WB to keep her close. Or, or Sunny gets smart and placates him to not go on killing sprees every time someone 'wrongs him' and also so he doesn't sabotage their plans. 


    I'll be surprise if none of this happens but...it makes sense from a writing perspective. I'm just sayin. 


    And like you, since we've known about the inheritance, I've been hoping that Sunny finds out about the inheritance like next week, takes down the monarchy and the people choose her to be their acting empress while the nation transitions into a republic.  Yea, I'm sure Yoon would make a half decent Monarch but if this show is literally going in the direction of taking down the royal family, it would make sense to end with Sunny. Besides, Yoon seems too ashamed and looks to not want to have anything to do with that seat. Once all the dirty laundry gets aired out, the public might be a bit judgmental and wary and see him 'guilty by association'.  Better to have the woman who took them down stay in power than risk someone from the family to take the throne *shrugs*


    I know I can get passionate about the ships (because CJH/JNR) but i really don't mind the romance not being very prominent. If I can get one or two kisses I"m STRAIGHT I just really, REALLY, hope for 3 things; 1. Woo Bin doesn't die 2. the ending isn't rushed 3. Sunny becomes Empress regent and she adopts Ari.


    And i'm really done now XD


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    @katakwasabi Thanks chingu, I also love your analysis of the character as well. :D


    @stroppyse I'm still in awe and concerned that viewers have such a strong influence on the writing of a drama's story even halfway through, I had read a few years back that most the time, the writers pretty much never have a fully finished script and it's one of the factors why some dramas can start halfway with a strong start but then end up being lackluster towards the end. Or a plot point that happened in episode 5 is never addressed again or suddenly brought up by episode 14, only to be dismissed...


    Which is why I seldom watch a lot of dramas, I usually wait for them to be completely finished before I decide whether or not to watch it or if it's a already pre-produced drama I'll give it a chance because I know viewers cannot influence/pressure the writer into making nonsensical story points that do nothing for the overarching story. I end up watching dramas halfway and then dropping them because the stories tend to either not make sense or padded with unnecessary stuff in order to drag it on.


    At first, I had thought this drama was one of those already %100 pre-produced dramas so when I found out it wasn't, my first immediate thought was; oh god, I hope the writer tells her story the way she wants and isn't pressured to change things because Knets are whining about their ship not being OTP...I don't like when writers are pressured to cater to viewer's demands when it does nothing for the story. 


    If the writer wants LH/SN then by all means, she has the right to do that but if it's done on basis of what viewers want...ehh...I'll be disappointed. 


    Yeah, again, I totally get where they're coming from, the appeal of LH's character is more attention grabbing, namely because of the actor playing him and he really is stealing the show at times away from WB who, unfortunately was not written to be a 'debonair'/suave type of character. If LH's character wasn't played by SSR and played by someone that just shows how utterly awful LH is or if WB's character was written to be charismatic than viewers probably wouldn't be rooting for such a character. Honestly I wasn't expecting it at all, this is the first time I've watched something with this actor in it, because as I've said I came because of seeing JNR x CJH reunite as leads. I love JNR but CJH is so hot, I've been swooning over him being allowed to smile more in recent episodes and I'm like, Emperor Lee Hyuk...Emperor Lee Hyuk who?? That man's smiles omfg....I can't! *ahem* Where was I going with this post? Oh yeah...


    It reminds me of my brief time, watching the Heirs, before I dropped it, it was too ridiculous, even for me. But Choi Young-Do was more entertaining to watch, especially whenever his character interacted with Cha Eun Sang. Kim Tan just became so boring by contrast that I ended up shipping CYD x CES.


    And speaking of main lead's who are totally douchesnozzles to main female leads and their overbearing mothers, Koo Jun Pyo and his mother the infamous 'Mama Kang' are like little puppies by comparison to LH and his mother!


    in an alternate universe, I'll be all over LH/SN but....Lee Hyuk is still Lee Hyuk and that was clearly emphasized in episode 16 and with the subtitles to put context into what was being said? I almost lost it! I screamed at my laptop ya'll ISTG!! I WASN'T WRONG HOLY SHEET! I said I was worried that if Sunny kept pushing this crazy nut he was going to end up trying to force her to stay by his side! That ending! I seriously don't see how he can be redeemed?! He needs to go straight to the psych ward holy mother of cheese! 


    And now that Woo Bin was like grant my wish, let her go, he ain't gonna do it, he doesn't want to divorce her or let her go omfg I called this! I FREAKING CALLED THIS! ;fjkajdlfak I'm freaking out right now. 


    I will be surprised if he does but he ain't and i think it's this ending scene that's going to start making LH suspicious of the possibility that WB is actually WS. And now I worry that my man...is going to be killed off. *takes a deep breath*


    With subtitles that ending was soooooooooooooooo much more unsettling, like I was hoping they weren't going to go there but they went there, he LITERALLY said in so little words he didn't give a good freaking darn how she felt he was ready to...oh freaking lord, this man is crazy. If it weren't for WB, he was going to in a state of drunken rage and rape her. Like, I cannot be the only one who got that right? Am I delusional OR...??? I know i can't be the only one that picked up on this right? RIGHT?! 


    Death would be too good for LH's character, he needs to be sent to the psych ward for help, srsly. 


    Okay so I'm dropping my speculation on birth secrets and just have come to the conclusion that Lee Hyuk, So Jin and Yoon just unfortunately had crap parents. Lee Hyuk's a monster, So Jin was ignored all her life until her mom finds her useful and Yoon feels responsible for all the crap his family has done and feels ashamed, like I see why he doesn't want Sunny's family to know he's related to them, Sunny's family is the closest thing to what an actual loving family is but honey you're gonna have to tell them at some point. 


    He's also frustrating in keeping secrets for too long but I understand not wanting to say anything without proof, but my sweet, sweet summer child...WHY WOULD YOU GO RUNNING YOUR MOUTH WHEN YOU KNOW HOW YOUR MOTHER IS?! Baby, I need to learn when to sing like a canary and when to stay silent as a mouse! OMFG WHY?!


    Can someone get Ari away from her mother? I do not feel sorry for Nanny Kang Hee, you raised your child that way so *shrugs* you know what kind of person Sunny is and you know what kind of place that soulless palace is...it was only natural that Ari, despite her gravitating towards Sunny because she was taught to seek connections with those that had wealth or higher status, she was going to naturally be attached to her because of her good heart. 


    Sunny is the only person to show her real motherly love. So stop being so dang jealous. I know some of ya'll are annoyed with Ari and usually children that are bratty grate my nerves but I cannot be annoyed by her at all, her calling out for Sunny made my heart weak and she has a chance to be saved. You could see the influence was quickly taking effect, it probably won't happen but I wish for Sunny to take Ari with her. 


    Because now I'm speculating if the body that was found at the beginning is a fake, if that body doesn't end up being either Min Yu Ra, So Hyun's or the Nanny's, I'm wondering if Sunny fakes her own death to getaway from LH because he has gone beyond the deep end? 


    I hope So Jin stays the same, it'll be so unnecessary for her to suddenly turn rotten because of jealousy after ALL THIS TIME for the sake of 'drama'. *sighs*


    The former head guard and Yu Ra teaming up?? Didn't see that coming! That's going to make things very interesting and messy. 


    Yeah...Dowager Kang human trafficking people on that island, burying the dead...yeah...it's starting to sound more and more plausible. I can't think of a more fitting punishment for her, other than public humiliation, like having a crowd of people just throw trash and eggs at her and of course life without parole. But...I might be hoping for too much. 


    Ugh, there's prob more to rant about but my mind is overloaded by the fact that I am floored...FLOORED over LH actually having the nerve to imply he'll force Sunny into submission with no regard to her cries or pleas and he probably thought like every other guard, Woo Bin was just going to stand by and allow him to drag away a woman even if its his 'wife' to obviously be raped.  


    Hindsight is 20/20 it was mildly creepy when she kicked him out and he smiled saying he wanted to conquer her in ep 15...yeah...that mofo really meant that sheet!


    Say what you want but Woo Bin was the real MVP at the end of ep 16 and was sexy putting that nut in his place. 


    but yeah, gonna try to get back into encounter since I've been thirsting for a noona romance for a while now, it just seems to move kind of slow...but I need to break away from this drama before I go insane! I'm worried about Sunny and Woo Bin, I'm worry the writer is gonna do a 180 and be pressured into making LH/SN endgame, I'm worried she's going to throw the unexpected pregnancy trope in just to create more drama...I need a break from the Last Empress. 


    okay, I'm done now XD





    Ya'll already know, the rookie likes to rant and make insane theories, everything is full game until otherwise debunked. XD

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    *sighs* I'm about to go ahead and watch this weeks episodes with the subs XD *should really learn korean lol*


    But I saw the ending clip of the Emperor grabbing Sunny and I swear without understanding anything; I noticed that when his voice changed, talking to Sunny, I feel he was demanding something of her, him grabbing her and dragging her off to probably her or his chambers just made me go: ANDDDD....THERE IT IS!  There's the deluded psycho I knew would resurface again!


    I swear it came off as if he was determined to have his way with her and if Woo Bin hadn't been there, I feel like he would have seriously forced her to sleep with him. It's the same vibe I got from the end of last week's episode and when he actually tries to go for kissing Sunny at the beginning of ep. 15 (29, 30), I couldn't help but think, dude, seriously? Really? 


    His 'love' is warped and twisted, and for all the pitiful attempts to make me like him/sympathize with him, he's still not right in the head, srsly. The whip splash of his character's extremities from going love to hate shows how unstable he is. He is doing exactly what I predicted he was going to do, delude himself into thinking Sunny is playing hard to get. *sighs*


    If the writer was so gung-ho on really making him a true, competitive love interest against Wang Shik/Woo Bin for Sunny's affections, maybe she should have...I dunno STOPPED at him cheating on her??? Or not have him commit attempted MURDER....MULTIPLE TIMES?? *shrugs* At least with TIME, cheating could be forgiven if he really meant to show he was sincerely sorry. 


    In an alternate universe, where LH isn't too far gone and hasn't tried to murder people because of his mom's manipulations, I do ship LH/SN...hardcore shipper (of both pairings) I really like the appeal of the chemistry between them and if this would have been a simple comedic romcom with maybe a little dash of angst, or you kept things the same without making the emperor a murderer and mentally unstable; I would be all over that in a heartbeat but this ain't that type of drama. I dunno, maybe it's a cultural thing but why oh why would you want her stuck to being married to a man who clearly had intentions of adding rape to his already messed up dossier?!


    Because they're still married?! What the what?! Yea, let's just have the Emperor totally rape his wife who already hates his guts, that's really going to endear Sunny to Lee Hyuk!  (Again, I hope that is just the knet's thoughts and not reflective of everyone else watching the show).


    And again, he was drinking and seeming to continue to make excuses like always to justify his reasons for whatever the heck he had planned to do with Sunny if not for Woo Bin interfering. (again, i'm only guessing, I haven't watched this with subs but i'm sure i can't be far off with at least picking up some noticeable clues in his speech pattern) Nothing he does is sincere! aughahkdjfkd! And what little sincerity he's TRYING to convey he just finds a way to self sabotage his own efforts. Nor has he really taken the TIME to sit back and reflect on what he's even done wrong. 


    And now that Woo Bin has seemingly declared his intentions/interest in Sunny, I can already see the last eight episodes are about to be a trainwreck with this messed up love triangle...and I don't know if I can handle that for the next four weeks. So, I'm just going to stop here until it's over and pray one half of my OTP isn't killed off or the last two episodes aren't a bad case of a rushed ending.  *sighs*


    My main annoyance if you haven't already guessed: If you're going to do a character redemption arc...do it right. Don't begin the hassle of making me sympathize or look forward to a character's redemption arc if you're just going to continue to show how un-redeemable that character is. It becomes a waste of the storytelling that could have been used for something meaningful. 


    Maybe...MAYBE Writernim will surprise me, she's always has with this drama so far, but I won't hold my breath. I just don't want a rushed ending or leaving it open-ended where the audience is left to their own speculations of what happened or Woo Bin being killed off.


    I want an ending in line with Jang Bo Ri....not Geum Sa Wol plz but I digress...


    I was attracted to watch this drama because of Jang Na Ra x Choi Jin Hyuk and I will flip my s.h.i.t. if their characters don't end up together for the 2nd time.


    Yea, still salty about Fated to Love You and no I won't let it go.


    If this ends the way I fear it will...holy cow I hope there are peeps hiding in the shadows ready to write some fanfics...lots of fanfics, even if the show ends with a happy ending/bittersweet ending, i'm still going to needs fanfics. *I don't want to be the only one writing fanfics for both pairings just saying...*


    okay...Imma stop ranting and go watch episodes 15 and 16 now. 


    And then come back to rant some more XD


    Again I write a lot...

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  9. ...Writernim is starting to get into 'good guy idiot syndrome' with the being honest and telling what they're gonna do...to the bad guys willing to kill for what they want?


    Okay, here is where I will break from this drama now until it's over. 


    And we were doing soo well. Why???


    Hopefully when i return to binge watch, It won't be Moon Lovers all over again.


    By moon lovers, I mean one half of my otp dying.....


    And then there's the love triangle...imma keep it at that.



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  10. I quickly watched the raws waiting for subs (even after i said i was going to wait until this show finished to binge watch the rest, but its so addicting XD)



    ...Well this new flashback of child Lee Hyuk is just making me convinced, he's not related by blood to either the late Emperor OR Empress Dowager. Again, if I'm wrong, I will take that L, but as it stands...I am in doubt over LH's parentage.


    As if getting beaten who knows how many times a day by the Emperor wasn't bad enough, ED decides that it's A-OKAY to traumatize a child by burning a bird...ON FIRE...TO DEATH...WHAT THE WHAT?!


    Again, the parents only treated LH like crap, not the other two...just him. For all her 'disowning' Yoon for getting in her way or wanting to use him, in earlier episodes you can clearly see she genuinely misses him. And while she ignores So Jin, I'm pretty dang sure she never treated those two the way she does LH.

    I will flip desk if I don't get an in-depth look into the ED's past, I'm very curious to know why and how she's like this?



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  11. So, I watched the short preview again and it looks like Sunny got hurt, you can see there's a bandage on her neck while she's sleeping in the same clothes from the previous episode.


    My question is; who did it? 


    Does Lee Hyuk try to do something to Sunny that she didn't like at the beginning?


    Is it the result of Empress Dowager trying to over work her?


    Did Nanny finally show her claws to Sunny and tried to harm her?


    Whatever happened, I'm guessing Woo Bin wasn't around to protect her because he looks hella sad/guilty (hence why the hesitation to want to touch her)


    Gah! I'm nervous, wtf happened! I need the next Episode nowww! XD

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    You know, a thought just occurred to me; but I wonder if Lee Hyuk's motorcycle accident was him, deliberately trying to commit suicide? (that conversation with his mother about how he was prob meant to die that day felt sort of unsettling) He probably realized back then that his mother was going to be a living nightmare and use him to keep power. At first, he'll prob go along with it because anything to have mom's affection and attention is a plus right? But then mother dearest is just as conniving as she always is. Feeling alone, pressured and an outcast, why not just end it? 


    I really hope we get more back story on what the heck happened between Empress Dowager and her late husband. I am now becoming more convinced she probably had her husband offed so she could put someone easy to control on that throne.


    That's why she's so adamant on keeping a leash on Lee Hyuk because, while she manipulates him by threatening to put his brother on the throne she knows Yoon can't be easily manipulated or threatened. He'll fight her and use his brain to act like a king and dethrone his own mother for being such a monster. 


    I mean that flashback of her and Grandmama says a lot about there being some bad blood between them. I said before, there's probably a lot of things that happened that GED regrets she didn't put a stop to. (and hating that her family hid so much crap behind her back and wondering what more there is she isn't aware of) 


     Going back to rewatching some scenes you can tell she was just...resigned to accepting her family's bad behavior. Probably why she adored Sunny so much and in the past So Hyun. 


    Speaking of So Hyun, I'm wondering if ED also made an arranged marriage between her and Lee Hyuk? From the flashback of their argument, I assume they didn't know each other that well, probably had to know of each other with So Hyun's dad being the head guard and all. LH probably thought she was pretty and she probably showed him some actual kindness for a change that wasn't based on him being royalty. ED being ED could've been against it because anything or anyone LH likes is a slight against her apparently.


    Her 'puppet' attempts suicide, ED, probably in panic mode that her one real chance at seizing power is on the fritz allows LH to marry So Hyun. ED just can't have another woman in her way, plots to get rid of the girl (because she did the same with Sunny and history is repeating itself with slight variations...yeah I'll be surprised if this isn't the case) girl eventually learns of the skeletons hiding in ED's closet. ED finds an opportunity to get rid of SH, learns about long time best friend, hires him as SH's guard, Guard probably did like SH as a woman, uses this to provoke LH. 


    And either she or the Nanny killed SH and made LH think because he pushed her in the water, he killed his wife. Dude is far gone now. 


    I know I'm beating a dead horse but this story is so crazy that if it turns out that LH and Sunny were switched at birth I am going to freaking flip my Suga Honey Ice Tea!


    No, I will not let it go until whatever ED's afraid of getting out is revealed! All crazy theories are free game right now until proven otherwise. Let me have my crazy speculations okay? XD


    1. LH being emotionally, mentally and physically abused as a child while his siblings weren't treated the same is usually an indicator in melodrama/revenge dramas that the child is either an orphan or one of the parent's love child by someone else or was switched at birth to serve a purpose. There's a few historical dramas i've seen where the Empress will plot to have a child by one of her guards to claim it as the Emperors or she'll steal someone else's son to secure her place as Empress if her biological child turns out to be a girl and she'll discard her own daughter and give the child to someone else to raise if not have the poor thing killed. 


    I can't let this go because it's a drama, there are very few I've seen where parents are this outright nasty to their biological children, playing favorites? yea, pitting them against each other to take over their company? of course, being controlling? totally, but it's only towards children that are not their blood that they seem to throw extra vitriol at. 


    2. LH and Sunny's mom just so happening to have the same blood type?? (Yea, yea I know, a weak case as this is more than likely used to further show how ill fated these two are meant to be but hey, what's stopping this drama from throwing oh btw, ya'll were switched at birth on top of everything else because ED is a crap mother and a greedy hag)


    3. Empress Dowager's snide remarks towards Sunny's deceased mother for not raising her right. *sighs* Oh the IRONY of this would be even more hilarious than it already is. Lady, you're no paragon of motherhood!


    4. Parliament's decision to pass the ascension law for females to take the throne./Grandmama's will: If there's one thing that's certain for sure; Lee Hyuk and his mother are going to destroy each other to the bitter end and Sunny would be pivotal of them taking the other down. LH already has leverage by being married to Sunny. Sunny turning out to be ED's daughter is the only way I can think of that would give ED leverage to keep her place and fight against LH (of course it'll be way too late but ED's lust for wealth and status has drove her crazy, we know she is willing to anything to stay in power). 


    At the end of whatever happens, I do think Sunny will somehow really inherit the title of Empress. Whether that is by staying married to LH and he gets dethroned or dies, she and lh were switched at birth or the people and parliament decide to make her their last Empress after all the darn tea is spilled, while the nation takes some time to transition itself as a self governing republic. 


    ...I mean I would totally go for the last option  if I were writing this but que sera sera


    Okay, I'm done now making crazy speculations and writing long essays. XD



    I write long posts so I put things under cuts...to save on space XD



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  13. *Finally watches ep. 14* Ah, finally subs so things can be put into context! All my thoughts are a jumble mess of crazy in no particular order XD 



    *Heart flutters at all the little Woo Bin/Sunny interactions* Aww their love is a slow burn...but hopefully something accelerates next week with the pacing of this show. XD Then again...I am not holding my breath to see much of anything happen but this show has a tendency to surprise me so we'll see.


    *Sunny disciplining Ari* I live for this! Can Sunny just adopt her at the end? Please? Writer? PLEASE?! This drama is about to be an even more hot mess and I swear it can only end with a bang, I don't even care at this point if WB and Sunny don't end up together (as long as WB doesn't like DIE, like I don't want flashbacks to Gumiho family books okay thx) But can Sunny whisk Ari far away from that place? I want to see more of Ari bonding with Sunny, ah it's so adorable! 


    Everybody agrees that Ari needs some Sunny in her life but I also think Sunny needs Ari as an anchor too, the child is the only innocent thing in that palace that has a chance of not being completely tainted. 


    I'm still not %100 sold on Ari being LH's biological child...something like double and triple checking something significant like this, isn't an oversight I can see the ED making. This woman doesn't trust anyone but herself...so, Ari could still be his real child but if she's not than I'll have to wonder why ED went along with it? That whole scene of her forcing the Nanny to take that infertility drug has me questioning Ari's parentage, that and I don't trust that Nanny to not lie to see herself ascend as Empress.


    Which if the title of this show is actually literal...will be never!


    *Princess So Jin unintentionally spilling the tea* Poor dear, I know you want to have some faith in believing your mother isn't a monster but...your mother is a straight monster. And yes, she does intend to use you as a scapegoat in the likely chance that money under your name dear is indeed a slush fund.


    *Lee Hyuk conflicted over Woo Bin and Sunny*...You...really are purposely being the 3rd wheel nobody wants! LMAO, writernim, stop making my crazy theories correct XD

     And lmao, nice save their emperor trying to pretend you didn't claim Sunny as yours...You seem to love bantering with her don't you? WB...no input? Just going to sit there feeling real awkward...okay...


    *Empress Dowager realizing Lee Hyuk's growing attraction towards Sunny* Your son is about to fang dangle stuff up!! Prepare yourself! If your smart, you'll leave Sunny alone...but..........................your bright idea to over work Sunny in official functions is going to backfire so hard on you. I can't wait. Who wants to bet if we get a scene of Sunny nearly passing out, it won't be WB this time to the rescue but LH because anything to make ED scream 'Secretary Choi!!' in frustration, gives me life!

    I'm also betting LH is going to end up spilling the tea on the true will Grandmama left behind for 3 reasons. 1. To richard simmons off mother dearest, 2 to keep his position and 3. He doesn't want to lose Sunny


    *So Hyun's bodyguard* What secrets lie in that head of yours mister? What is the real tea between you and So Hyun 7yrs ago. 


    *Nanny failing to stay relevant* Me thinks we've found the killer your honor, both for Empress and Grandmama.  The verdict's still out but the usual suspects seem cleared...for now


    *Sunny and Geum Mo* ...aww, I'm teary eyed. 


    *Wang Shik finding his mother* I'm sad...this makes me sad...ugh...he needs a hug...ugh, it's okay baby...you'll make them pay! 


    *Yoon and Hello* These two...I love these two, these two need protection. They also don't mess around XD. But Prince, you DO have to tell them at some point about who you really are. Yeah, that convo isn't going to be great but better now than later. 


    *LH coming to Sunny's rescue on the live broadcast*...See...if you weren't such an douchesnozzle you guys would make the cutest couple ever! Also, I'm worried for Sunny...I'm surprised he actually listened to her and left after taking the instant coffee...then again, I did say LH has the incredible knack for deluding himself into believing what he wants...Guy is probably legit thinking: if Sunny easily forgave WB for my order to kill her, she'll totally come around and do the same for me...she just has to, she's mine wife. *sighs* Pitiful nutcase probably thinks Sunny is playing cat and mouse with him. It's comedic as well as sad that he just doesn't see it or refuses to see it. Or that he really can't comprehend that, no, normal women don't want to be with a man that tried to kill them multiple times on top of all the other crap you pulled...so...


    *Min Yu Ra* Soo...wth do we do with you? Are you going crazy? Are you gonna try to stop WB(WS)? You interest me. I literally have nothing here *shrugs* I'm content right now with seeing her suffer so *shrugs* I got nothing


    *The ill fate between LH and Sunny*...wow...just...wow...


    *That ending though*...Well...that accelerated quick! :hushed: And here I thought they were gonna drag the whole LH coming to the realization that he's crushing on Sunny towards the end...In fact, it seems like our nutcase is on a mission to keep his Empress by his side BEFORE something can truly develop between WB and SN. 


    Feeling a bit threatened there your Majesty? 


    I have to give him credit though: He's being assertive with going after what he wants, even if she doesn't. Come hell or high water. All we need now is him threatening pain and death on anyone who hurts Sunny's feelings and we will truly have a Yandere on our hands. 


    God, have I said how worried I am for Sunny? Because if I haven't...Yea...I'm hella worried for Sunny. She's alone in her bedroom with an unhinged man...who is drunk. A man she told to get out of her room and yet here he is, having her captured in his arms. 


    I'm sure nothing will come out of this other than LH unwilling to let go of Sunny because he wants solace and because it's a drama and I want to hope the show doesn't try to push it's limits in that direction but...yeah...it was just a few episodes ago, he barged into the Nanny's chambers on the death anniversary of SH.....He's unpredictable in that anything could set him off....Sunny has a tendency to say things that can set him off...and Woo Bin is nowhere in sight...WHY WOULD YOU END AN EPISODE LIKE THIS?! YOU KNEW DARN WELL WHAT YOU DID WRITER!!


    Great, a whole week of wondering and hoping this doesn't go where it looks like it's going.





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  14. 3 hours ago, ktcjdrama said:

    So it seems that the island is where ED threw and buried all her enemies....? And is no one going to comment on how disgusting she is trying to seduce the young scholarship recipient? Yuck and double ewws....<_<


    Empress Dowager, this woman is something else, i swear she's annoying me. Was it really necessary to belittle Sunny's upbringing because of how she's living inside her chambers?? 


    Uhh, 1. It's still her room, she can do whatever the hell she wants and 2. You basically told her to fend for herself...what do you want from her?!


    Yeah i can't wait to know what's up with that Island. It does sound like a place she sends the unwanted...hmm, that human trafficking mother's for breastmilk might not be so farfetched. *gross*


    And that scene totally took me by surprise, i was like...girlfriend really trying to get the D! It's the modern era, I'm sure no one's checking to see if the ED, who is single and widowed is trying to get some play but did she really have to be all weird about it? :joy:


    See, its weird stuff like this that made me question if Lee Hyuk was her biological child in the very beginning. 


    Yeah, I really thought she was a clingy overbearing step mom into younger guys at first because of the way they portrayed her relationship with LH. :sweat_smile:


    I know some mothers can be smothering but her whole vibe was hella odd to me. She never seemed to want her son to remarry either. (LH could've found a woman of 'proper breeding' and i bet she still would find something wrong with the girl)


    And now I'm back to wondering if there's a darn birth secret or what type of relationship she had with her husband. 


    God this drama has me thinking of so many crazy scenarios.


    Okay I'm done writing essays until ep 14 XD

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  15. I know I said I feel confident that the writer knows what they're doing...but it's bugging me how Sunny went about revealing who poisoned Grandmama. 


    I'm sure ED just can't outright try to kill her since it'll def raise suspicion if Sunny misses her morning live broadcast with the public (and god its the smartest thing I've ever seen a character do in a revenge drama) but why would you not informed the police??? I'm hoping it's one of those, she already handled it with Byun and his lil organization off camera and we just aren't aware yet XD. I sometimes forget about his headquarters when there's so much going on.


    The love triangle...oh god, it truly is a hot awkward, hilarious mess. If the preview for ep14 is anything to go by, I knew LH was going to start making himself the uncomfortable 3rd wheel nobody asked for.


    I guess his thing now is stalking Sunny with WB, to her rooms, while trying to justify his reasons for seeing her in the 1st place. While also trying to find a reason to continue hating her XD.


    He knows without a reason, Sunny ain't trying to see or visit him and her no longer fawning over him is driving him mad lol. The best part is, Sunny is being herself and has no idea he's being annoying because he's tottes crushing on her. XD


    However, I get the feeling Woo Bin is picking up on that and going to take advantage, he, himself is interested in Sunny. I keep replaying that catch scene, and you cannot tell me, WB didn't purposely push the Emperor out the way, dude was perfectly in place to catch Sunny. But then the expression on WB's face...LMAO


     But I still worry for Sunny cause LH's...interest in his Empress will likely escalate the more he thinks she's into WB or deluding himself into thinking she's playing hard to get.*sighs*


    Sunny's choices are a hot-headed Tsundere fueled by wrathful vengeance and a Yandere with a WELL bucket of issues...


    Ehh, a positive to take from this? They're both sexy XD



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  16. I'm always surprised with every new episode.  I can no longer try to predict what will happen!


    The torture scenes didn't bother me too much, it seems fitting when you remember the royal family is supposed to be a bit archaic in it's ways, even if their practices are outdated in the modern era. And I think people tend to forget that this show plays out in a lot of ways like a historical drama just in the present era.


    I get the feeling, it's not so much the torture scenes themselves that bother people but rather how it casts Woo Bin's character. Being extremely cruel when he feels betrayed or throwing a tantrum is just another Tuesday for Lee Hyuk, but WB seemingly looking unaffected at Yu Ra's torture makes him seem too cruel for his revenge and feeling he might become too involved with his revenge it consumes him, making him unredeemable, thus leaves no room for romance...XD People are thirsty for the love line XD


    ...But...like, he does seem put off with the extreme methods LH's using to torture Yu Ra and showing concern or even suggesting the Emperor tone it down, might make LH suspicious??? Yea, he also wants her to suffer (this is a revenge drama) too...IDK, i suppose it's a matter of perspective in this regard.


    For me, Woo Bin is being fueled by his anger right now but he hasn't gone too far...yet. I want romance as much as the next person but, I knew from ep 1 it would take a back seat to everything else. And even if it becomes more prominent later on, depending on where the writer is going with this story, they might have to keep it on the low to avoid another scandal???


    And then there's Lee Hyuk...*sighs* who seems hellbent on acting like a child who complains over another kid liking the toy he discarded but now wants back. XD 


    His facial expressions I can't! Dude doesn't even realize he likes Sunny XD, it's hilarious and sad. 


    Though I hope Sunny exposing ED too soon doesn't end up foiling her plans, like, I don't want ED getting any headway in trying to weasel her way out of paying for her misdeeds. With how this show has been written and the pacing of things getting revealed, I do feel confident that writernim has something bigger in store.


    Again, whatever happens I'm here for it! Just hope Yu Ra doesn't reveal WB is WS if she does find out in tonight's/tomorrow's episode. O.o


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  17. Thx for the welcome @philosophie yeah, i rly tend to theorize the most crazy stuff when it comes to k-dramas, they tend to follow a predictable formula. XD so i wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there's more birth secrets in the near future.


    I haven't seen everything made by this writer but I did watch, Jang Bo Ri and Geum Sa Wol and I noticed this particular writer loves to give her female leads modest backgrounds only for it to be revealed later that bam! They actually come from influential families XD.


    As much as I can't stand MYR, I feel it's too soon for her to kick the bucket yet. 


    There's still the mystery of Grandmama's murder and LH still doesn't know the full scope of her involvement with WS's mother's death.


    If not, then I wonder how the rest of this is going to play out. But if MYR does come back to take revenge on LH i hope they don't do a complete 180 and make her all of a sudden a good guy, it just wouldn't make sense with her character.


    With the pacing of this drama, I hope this week's episodes shed some light onto the mystery behind that Island.


    I wasn't expecting to get anything about the argument that led to So Hyun's death this week. So, it's possible we may get a little something about this island.


    Whatever ED is hiding there might be the very thing to bring the Imperial family down. It's gotta be something more than some hidden slush fund or stolen money. It sounds to hold way too much importance for that.


    As for this impending love triangle: It's about to be a hot mess! XD


    But if it plays out the way I think it will, Sunny and Woo Bin got their work cut out for them because Lee Hyuk is so about to be that one crazy friend that doesn't realize he's the awkward 3rd wheel that nobody wants.


    All in all, I just hope this show doesn't end with WB dying....I did NOT watch this drama to be denied JNR's x CJH's characters not ending up together at the end...AGAIN! 


    Yes, i still feel a bit salty over fated to love you. XD



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  18. Hello! Long time lurker, finally decided to make an account to join the discussions on current dramas every now and then. I usually wait for dramas to be completely finished before binge watching them, especially if they're this good!


    But I when I heard that I would see JNR and CJH star in a new drama I HAD to watch this! I needed something new to obsess over since I binged watched 100 Days my Prince and waiting for full eng subs of Love Alert. 


    I usually stick to tumblr to rant about my love of this drama but tumblr has been a real pain to deal with and I'm tired of not seeing my posts appear in the tags over there. Ugh..


    So I tend to write...ALOT when I'm gushing/ranting and making way out there theories for shows I like, so to not blind you guys with my wall of text everything is in a spoiler/cut tag. XD Remember my out there, i doubt will come true theory is a theory! But it's a theory based on the usual trope of the birth secret that's always relevant to k-dramas when wealth and inheritances play a major part of the plot. 




    Anyways, I cannot wait for next weeks coming episodes, I'm grinning from ear to ear because I'm still reeling over how I guessed weeks ago, that in order for the love line to happen between Woo Bin/Sunny the Emperor was going to order Woo Bin to get close to her to keep an eye on her.


    While at the same time, as soon as the Emperor started to see Yu Ra for what she really is, he would start obsessing over Sunny. *sighs*

    And while I love the incoming schadenfreude of seeing Sunny tell Lee Hyuk where he can stick it...


    I can totally see after this weeks episodes and the falling out he had with So Hyun, his impending obsession for Sunny is going to reach high levels of creepy and it's going to be awkward for all involved. I won't say he loves Sunny but rather what it is she represents and who she reminds him of. He would totally try to live out the life he never got to have with So Hyun with Sunny and Ari. Unlike, Yu Ra, Sunny doesn't treat Ari horrible or hate the child because her father is a crappy person and unlike the nanny(concubine) Sunny isn't trying to use the child to gain anything. (ironically everyone is using her but *shrugs*)


     This dude is so starved for affection he will try to find it, however he can. It won't matter to him that he tried to have Sunny murdered...twice now, or that he has to know she doesn't want to touch him with a ten foot pole, he seems to have a knack for deluding himself into believe anything he wants to as long as it benefits him. Which is why he comes off as either being too oblivious or dumb witted and easy to manipulate.  So yeah, Lee Hyuk totally getting jealous when he realizes too late that his chief guard totally makes Sunny's heart beat is something I can totally see happening. 


    As for Empress Dowager and her obsession with this Island...this writer may not pull a double whammy with the birth secret trope since she already used it for Ari (and i'm still on the fence of Ari being his biological daughter) but I feel like it'll come up again. I know that some k-dramas portray biological parents as being abusive to one of their own flesh and blood children. (see exhibit: Yu Ra towards Dong Shik) But 90 percent of the time in K-Dramas whenever a child that's brought up by a foster parent or step parent that just hates everything about their existence, it's usually because that child isn't their birth child...especially if that parent cannot stand their significant other. 


    ED has so many haunting secrets in her past that it's making me question whether LH is even the Emperor's real son??? I mean even if the emperor was always disappointed with LH's short comings, if the boy was his real son he would have at least tried to encourage him to do better. I mean even the worst CEO dads in K-Dramaland, both ridicule and encourage their blood children at the same time. 


    I said before that I wouldn't be surprised if through some weird writing magic, if LH's father was in love with another woman that had a love child with him before he married ED and she had LH by another unknown man and got rid of the other woman and claimed LH was his to secure her position into the Imperial family. LH's father finds and ED was like, mofo you gotta die! I mean in the twelve episodes we have had so far, I have not seen the Empress Dowager even mention, how much she misses her late husband. It's like there's no love lost on her part at all. I do believe on the viki page for this drama it's stated that LH and Sunny are the same age right? 


    I mean we still don't know anything about Wang Shik's father...or Sunny's mother...yes I know I'm reaching A LOT with this theory but the most epic plot twist/revenge would be either one of them turning out to be the true heir/next in line to that throne. (not that I think either one of them would want it at this point because of all the hell it causes but still) Wang Shik being a contender for the throne would totally give Yu Ra a chance to try to rebound her slimy way back into his heart and give LH a reason to want to get rid of him. 


    However, Sunny being the true heir?! ED deciding to scheme with Nanny and Prime Minister to allowed a law to pass for crowned princesses to ascend the throne?! ED finding out that Grandmama already knew the truth about her lost grandchild, LH not being her real grandson and ED probably having something to do with her late son's death years before she was murdered?! ED's head would implode! 


    I mean...unless there's a translation error which I doubt there is: Grandmama's will NEVER SAID Sunny had to stay married to LH, just that she had to remain Empress...now there's a very high chance that this theory will NEVER come to pass and I'm totally fine with that but the more that gets revealed each week, the more I can't help but wonder if Sunny is truly related to the late emperor and Grandmama knew the truth but it was too late to reveal everything so she kept it secret to keep from there being unrest, knowing how ED is. Then there's the whole 'i just find out my real grandchild married the child that I treated as my real grandchild and the awkward implications of what that would do to their image. 


    I also keep thinking back to when LH and Sunny were arguing over whose side Grandmama would choose and LH telling Sunny, no matter what he's done, Grandmama would choose his side over hers because 'blood is thicker than water' and all that jazz. 


    The irony of what that statement would mean if my way out there theory is correct. It'll give deeper meaning to her changing her will at the last minute, probably knowing deep down someone was going to murder her and there was probably a lot she regret never doing so like So Jin said, she gave her conniving in-laws the middle finger, probably hoping for Sunny to finish the job she never could. 


    And if my highly unlikely theory doesn't come true, nothing's stopping me from making fanfic about it XD



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