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Im not going to go through a every detail of this post, since I disagree with most of it, (& some are plot holeish)but
RY did not just make a few mistakes.
He was blatantly abusive towards JM. He has never treated her as a full human being, only as something that if he possesses, he will be happy. Remember when he says to her after she kills the love of her life (which he abetted) & seeing how distraught she is, he straight out tells her to "go back to feeling the way she used to" instead of being there for her genuinely? Everything is about how he feels.
He almost genocided 2 realms because of this obsession - is that not the same as his Step Mom? He will kill people at will to keep JM from. He doesn't really care about everyone else. He's too wrapped up in himself, and just uses the fact that the unrest occurring is conducive to his revenge plans.
Look, I can understand why RY wants to get rid of the King & Queen - they needed to be overthrown - they are horrible "leaders". I can even understand his wanting to kill XF to a degree . But this dude straight up comes across as a narcissist with NPD.
(& I definitely have a fair amount of criticisms towards XF which I have stated in earlier threads. )
On 5/28/2020 at 10:28 AM, tsukushi makino said:I know RY did made few mistakes but I completely understand him so, I don’t blame him but i will always feel bad bcoz he killed that watch guard who was innocent. The reason i don't blame him bcoz after watching so many C-drama i can say RY is still far better than so many Protagonists who are even worse than him that's why for me he is the best character in AOL and he was the only reason I could finish it up. RY did took revenge but it wasn't for himself but it was for all the innocent lives which has been taken away by the emperor and empress to save themselves including Fish Tribe, Su Li, and other factors.
Following something is Good but blindly following it is Stupid.
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On 5/18/2020 at 2:32 AM, j9sshi said:
I did enjoy seeing JinMi mature during the show. The mortal trial and her falling in love was definitely, a big part of that. Even when the love pill got repaired, she still wasn't the same. She knew something wasn't quite right with her, but she couldn't figure it out. And it was during this time that you could see how much she was wronged by her mother (even if her mother thought she was doing the right thing). I loved how she said to her mother (at her mom's shrine) that she thinks she should have the right to choose whether she should fall in love or not (or something similar to that) I was like "You go Jin Mi!"
Yes! This is why she's such a great character. I really disliked how some people were so quick to judge her saying she was stupid or w/e. She's actually quite smart, but very naive since she was literally kept in a bubble away from almost everyone else, & has her true power suppressed. Despite that, she's well read, learns fast (when she wants to lol) and has a very satisfying arc.
QuoteFrom some of the comments I read, some people were giving JinMi a hard time because she didn't believe Xu Feng when he told her that he did not kill her parents. One thing people needed to remember was that #1, she was grieving, and people can't think straight when they are grieving, especially when all the evidence was pointing to Xu Feng. She couldn't think like him and realize the clues were too easy, so there could have been a frame-up, (like he did for Runyu), but #2 and this is big, If that love pill would not have been repaired, her love for him (and knowing how much he love's her), would have kept her from believing that he killed them, even if the evidence said so.
Exactly!
QuoteGoing to the part where JinMi kept going to him in the Demon Realm: I'm going to make a blanket statement here: Guys can be so cruel when they are trying to push someone they still care about away from them. The ultimate was when he used her gift to him to please Sui hui. That was just too much, and too hurtful.
I agree. But it's worth noting that every time he tries to hurt JM, he ends up hurting himself, almost even more.
The way I see Phoenix's character is that pretty much from the first moment he appears on screen, he's shown to be very protective of himself. (think back to when he awakens in JM's hut & threatens her since he doesn't know who she is or what happened or how he got there - but backs off when he sees she's scared) So his mind, when he's been stabbed in the back (and it was somewhat premeditated) & was killed by JM, his most loved & trusted person, (who said straight to his face that she never loved him) he's left shattered . He's operating under the assumption that JM never loved him & that she actually likes RY. He thinks both of them completely set him up intentionally. Not only that, but he loses both of his parents (which he learns were awful people) & has lost everything he's ever known.
So to me, when we're around the time of XF using JM's gift, yes it was too much, I agree - but Phoenix is a mess and part of him is being swayed by JM - you can see he questions whether or not she's telling the truth, and part is him like dude she killed me, & loves my bro & theyre going to set me up again. (& part of it is pride i believe)
QuoteIt was interesting (and good writing) to see the tables turn between them both. She sacrificed so much to save him, and he going to the end of the earth to try and find her primordial spirit. They each had a chance to reflect on each other and their actions.
Yes. beautifully done
QuoteI'm just going to say one thing about Runyu, and this is the only thing I would have wished to see play out: In the end, Runyu was talking about how alone he was. He took Kuanglu's loyalty for granted. If she ever left, then he would truly be alone. And maybe he would have appreciated what he had.
Exactly. He never sees all the people in his life who care about him, he only sees JM.
QuoteOkay, one more thing regarding the comparing of how they love. I keep going back and forth between if Runyu truly loved JinMi, or was just obsessed with her. Or would it be an unhealthy obsessive love? Because on one hand, he did physically sacrifice a lot of himself for her, (some of it forbidden), on the other hand, he used her like a pawn. ugh!
Then looking at Kuanglu's love for him. She loved him, and was so loyal that she wanted him to be happy, even if it wasn't her that he chose. I'm having a hard time with that one too.
I feel like RY doesn't know what love is or how to love. He only has an obsession that says "if I have this person, I will be happy" Whether or not that person feels the same or not, because the only thing that RY thinks about is himself & how he's feeling. He only saves JM out of the fact that he feels that she belongs to him. He knows she's never liked him, how she recoils from his touch. He's determined to possess her, as an object.
[Idk if you've ever come across a narcissist (with NPD) irl, but those people are scary, they don't/can't love & this is the kind of feeling I get from RY based off of previous experiences.]
Fwiw I also think KL is obsessed with RL, not in love with him - I don't think she's narcissistic like RY, but for me personally, liking/loving someone means not putting up with immoral acts like oh IDK stalking/straight up murder/w/e nonsense RY gets up to. To me, holding people accountable/being held accountable is a big part of loving. Not just watching the people you love be horrible.
QuoteThe part where Xu Feng and JinMi were reunited for a brief moment and he was crying like a baby...Oh, my heart!
There were so many times I cried throughout!
QuoteNow, going to go back and watch "Under the Power" again.
Let me know what you think! I really like that one. Great FL, lots of good stuff in it.
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On 4/23/2020 at 1:41 PM, XufengMyHeart said:
I like Phoenix - just because of the extent he goes for his love to Jinmi ! Pls suggest more romantic fantasies like this.
I like Phoenix since he's kind, gentle & always there for his friends! Hes a great character.
Legend of Chusen 1 & 2 (not heavy on romance though)
The Untamed
Under the Power
The Eternal Love (not the same as Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms/Eternal Love, which I did not like) but I didn't like the sequel,
are what comes to mind for me.
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On 5/4/2020 at 4:31 AM, j9sshi said:
Hello all!
I just started watching this not too long ago and I am up to ep. 36. I'm at a pause right now because I feel its only going downhill with lots of sorrow afterwards.
Here are some of my thoughts so far..
- I'm not sure if it was mentioned before, but I think JinMi was experiencing some hairline cracks in the pill early on. When she fed baby phoenix mouth to mouth - she felt something but she didn't know what it was. When he hurt or was sad, she felt it as well....
100% I think its like episode 6? where its pretty obvious they like each other, even if JM can't understand it.
On 5/4/2020 at 4:31 AM, j9sshi said:- JinMi was always more touchy-feely with baby phoenix than any other person in any of the realms. She was always thinking of him, even if it was just so he could give her some power.. But she even after she formed a friendship with the night dragon, she never asked him for power.
Exactly. Every time anyone else besides Phoenix got touchy, she was not having any of it. This was -very- brilliant writing and very nice to see boundary lines being drawn.
On 5/4/2020 at 4:31 AM, j9sshi said:- Even though the mortal trial wasn't in the book, that is my favorite arc so far, as well as the mutual cultivation scene. (loved it! - lots of beautiful symbolisms! )
But now, after episode 35 (Viki), I'm really irritated with night dragon for what he did to the pill inside JinMi.(yes, I feel bad for everything that has happened in his life, but everything he is doing to JinMi (the lies, the lies so they could get married, etc) is just wrong. And I know this is just the beginning. ugh!
Yeah, unfortunately Night gets far too much airtime unnecessarily, to the detriment of the show. It definitely could have been done a little less heavy-handed, instead of shoving him everywhere (apparently the writer of the book fell in love with him so she kept adding his scenes - but don't quote me on that, not sure if that's true) I mean I must sound like a broken record since I keep on going on about how I despise this character since he's manipulative & abusive AF.
On 5/4/2020 at 4:31 AM, j9sshi said:I've been reading the comments on here, and I am not at all interested in another CITT situation. Unfortunately, from what I read, this is what happens. smh
Cheese in the Trap? oh like 2nd lead gets a lot of airtime? yeah, true. TBH in CITT I hated the ML since I absolutely despise manipulative men.
On 5/4/2020 at 4:31 AM, j9sshi said:So, my question is:
Which episodes can I/should I skip without feeling like I missed something? ...(to get me back to our OTP)
Thanks in advance!
Uh, I wouldn't say any really. there's a lot of information you'd be missing tbh. The best thing about this drama is how tight the plot is, how well structured & coherent it is. (along with being well written)
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On 2/3/2020 at 11:56 PM, bluehibiscus said:
In China, they censor/ban wholesale certain things (eg sexually explicit scenes) from all forms of media because of its undesirable/corruptive effect. While I agree minors should not be exposed to these, how about adults? Where does the line end? In America, it is well-known that political correctness is pretty extreme compared to other countries especially when it comes to race but that does not seem to reduce the prevalence of racism. Is the solution as simple as simply disallowing/outlawing such portrayals? Anyway, this forum is not for the discussion of such issues so let’s leave it at that.
All I will say about this is I totally agree with China on many topics, WRT censorship. Free speech is frankly a joke, tbh. You should not be allowed to be racist, or sexist or whatever, because those things are fascistic values & are detrimental to us as humans. In America, "Political correctness" gets cried about since so many people want to be outright fascistic & will say that if anyone tells them it's bad to be racist/homophobic/sexist/w/e that that in itself is against free speech. To me political correctness is honestly treating all with respect & compassion (unless undeserved i.e. bigots) We should strive for the best for each other as humans & hold ourselves to a higher standard. & Yeah I do think there is a limit to political correctness, as when it's used in a neoliberal manner (as in to sell stuff or say, a sell a politician, or be used as a band-aid i.e. pinkwashing)
The racism doesn't come from free speech or lack thereof, it comes from centuries of racism beginning with the slaughter of Indigenous Peoples, The transatlantic slave trade & racist policies (both internally & abroad) that continue today, & a mis-educated public. Yes, I agree telling people to just be politically correct in (any western country tbh) is just a band aid on a massive gash, so yeah there's a lot of work to be done.
I don't mind if there are imperfect portrayals, I'm not saying that everything has to be perfect, or that every piece of media has to be a certain way, but i'd like to see less and less portrayals of men forcing themselves on women being the "good guy", as there are so many pieces like that that it ends up shaping masculinity (and really, how women may react to similar scenes in RL, and possibly triggering survivors of domestic violence) & enforces status quo.
I'm not saying to ban all media like that, but all media should be examined on
1.what tropes are being used?
2.can this be harmful to a certain group of people? (i.e. women/other minorities)
3.how do we do better?
4. what is this piece of media trying to say?
I have plenty of resources if anyone is interested.
(I like collecting information)
anyways, that's all I have to say in the matter
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On 2/1/2020 at 3:29 PM, Bojun said:
Same here. I know Runyu has been scheming for a long time but hard to believe almost the whole court at the time of the wedding was behind him.
I think he had a lot of support because 1. the Empress is brutal & iirc made a lot of enemies (she genocided an entire realm & was also stockpiling food) & the emperor just lets her do her thing & doesn't do anything about it 2. He purposefully goes around and makes allies ( also remember the two that tried to kill XF at the beginning - the snake & rat - that was a political act, so from first ep we know there's dissent - along with Rat trying to recruit JM's father too)
As For Jin Mi stabbing XF, 1. that's part of her character (remember she tried to kill SH when she finds out who really killed her father, & remember how she wants to avenge Rou Rou by attacking Qiong Qi) 2. RY keeps egging her on 3. The yundan pill is still there & (RY has fixed it) - so no love, 4. She sees the visions of her dead parents before she does anything
QuoteJinMi stabbing Xufeng from behind and subsequently using her power to pull out the dagger from his heart was probably the most highlighted scene in the drama as it was shown no less than 5 or 6 times in subsequent episodes.
I have seen a few behind the scenes but sadly almost no English so could not understand them.
Yap i’ve noticed the heart thing and just gave you one. ❤️
It was so heart wrenching! It makes me cry every time.
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On 2/1/2020 at 9:20 AM, bluehibiscus said:
What won many viewers over was Ye Hua’s deep love and utter devotion to Baiqian. Most of the time, he was trying to woo her and win her affections again by spending as much time with her as possible.
To me it felt very forceful and uncomfortable (and I have been assaulted at a very young age).
QuoteThere was one scene where he forcefully kissed her but things didn’t go further. Just to clarify, in the scene you described as rape, Baiqian did not actually say the word “no”.
Forcefully kissed to me is assault.
To be fair, It's been some time since I've seen it. But it left a very deep (& uncomfortable) impression on me. See, even if she didn't say no, her being nervous & trying to escape = no
Sex is not a transaction & both parties should be eager & willing.
Let's say you kinda like a guy - and you know he likes you since he keeps trying to get close to you and has forcibly kissed you at one point. At one point you're in a bedroom and he says he wants you. You are embarrassed and try to leave but he locks the door and removes your clothes. How do you feel?
QuoteShe offered to repay him because he was doing her a big favour and said she would do her best to give him what he wanted. When he said he wanted her, she was embarrassed, asked him to treat it as she hadn’t said those words and tried to leave. That was when he closed the doors with his magic but when he carried her to the bed, she didn’t object, only said his name. When she tried to get up, he kissed her and she didn’t say “no” either.
I understand that in real life, a verbal “no” is not necessary but this is fiction. Before that scene, Baiqian already revealed to her brother that she liked Ye Hua. She also affirmed to Ye Hua the affection was mutual after they did the act so I think most viewers don’t see it as rape. Another mitigating reason why Ye Hua didn’t want to wait anymore was
The thing is, the media we consume does affect us. This doesn't mean you're going to shoot up a place because video games are violent, but it does mean you get accustomed to violence however. & When it comes to violence against women (Which is an epidemic) media like this can reinforce very bad ideas, both to women & men. i.e "Oh, I thought she wanted it" And this isn't due to just one film/one drama, or one piece of media, this is due to a lifetime of misogynistic media. Where women are often told we're to be dominated, weak, a trophy to be won, we're fickle or a thousand other stereotypes that run through media worldwide.
When there are articles like this:
https://www.damemagazine.com/2017/10/24/men-are-killing-thousands-women-year-saying-no/
No, it's not just because of media, it's because of culture - but culture's narrative is shown through media.
Also, remember that you can be raped by people that you love - I think the law against raping your wife in the states came around in the 1980's (I'd have to look it up) - remember you're more likely to be raped by someone you know than some random stranger.
Oh it started in 1975, & then in 1993
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/marital-rape-laws.html
QuoteI mean, you're allowed to like whatever you like, but please remember that media is a microcosm of reality. Just be aware of how stereotypes can be spread by media, from racist stereotypes to misogyny.
If you want to look more into this subject, here are some things to look at for a start:
Make Believe Media - Michael Parenti
Feminism & Media Shaping Our Perception
Pop Culture Detective :
Parenti : (starts @ 1:27) - about entertainment media
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On 1/28/2020 at 9:31 PM, Bojun said:
I'm in the process of re-watching the drama to make sure I did not miss any detail. This time I will skip the episodes I did not like. As parting words I tried watching Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms but I just can't connect with it. The chemistry between the leads seem off for me. I'll probably watch it in the future for the sake of watching but not with the same sense of urgency as Ashes of Love.
I honestly dropped TMOPB since I actually hated it. For the most part I found it boring & very uncomfortable to watch.
The reason why is that I absolutely despise men who force themselves on women, & that was a big part of this drama "Oh you've lost your memories? I'm just gonna force myself on you until you submit"
I dropped it at the rape scene (He says "I want you". She says "No". He locks the door and magics her clothes away and is on top of her.) To me this is irresponsible & dangerous writing because media does reinforce behavior & status quo - maybe not if it's one instance, but repeated instances will definitely reinforce ideas - so therefore it's not a stretch to see how unchecked media can, in this instances reinforce the idea that "Oh but I thought she wanted it/I know she wanted it" line of thinking. You can even point to songs like Robin Thicke's Blurred Lines "I know you want it" or for other C-dramas - The Eternal Love 2 & The Flame's Daughter or for countless American films.
If you want some links for analyzing media, PopCulture Detective has good content & there's also Micheal Parenti's Make Believe Media for a start.
The reason I loved HSALF is because the main leads fall for each other slowly & it's evident in like episode 6 that they both really like each other, & fall even more in love during the mortal stage, There's no chasing & ML doesn't force himself on FL (unless you count the time @ demon realm, & yeah I did hate that part tbh).
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So wrt to RY - he did not "just manipulate" Jinmi. What he did to her was completely abusive. Not only did he manipulate her, he forced himself on her(wrt trying to get her married to him), when he KNEW she was like a child in many respects. And when he realized she was completely in love with XF, he took it upon himself, without any consent, to fix the yundan pill, taking away her agency. And that is not all. He continuously lies to her (and her father - making him believe they are mutually attracted , when that's not the case, otherwise Water god would have never consented to the marriage.) He imprisons her against her will more than once, stalks her continuously. and really how much is telling when he says to her "I want you to go back to to the way you were" (before the love of your life was murdered) No respect to her feelings, it's all about how he feels, what he wants.
RY also manipulated evidence against XF, (changing the dream) so that JM turns against XF,
He almost Genocides the entire flower realm to possess JinMi. There's not many characters I despise, but RY is one of them.
On to XF. who is also one of my favourite characters. I don't think he's perfect at all, and that's why hes one of my favourite characters. His character is very human - and humans are not perfect. - neither you nor I. He doesn't always do the right thing (nor say the right thing - though neither does JM) because the right thing sometimes is very hard to do and it takes a lot of thinking and questioning yourself and loved ones. I agree he could/should have spoken up sooner/more WRT his parents - however I do think he is mainly innocent as he is under the assumption that his parents are doing the best for everyone since that's what he's been indoctrinated into. He's also been used as a pawn by both parents, especially his mom who wants to use him to consolidate her power.
He does definitely call his mom out more than once, and you can definitely see him struggling with trying to deal with everything that happens & also trying to remain filial. I also agree there's probably not much he could have done in the long run. But I do think he was trying to do things his way (like trying to get his mom to confess to Water & Wind's murders) When RY confronts him @ his parent's tomb (which was really shitty to do to - since all XF wanted to do was visit his parents one last time) He's seen talking to Mu Ci after and uestions his entire belief system - This is why I think XF is a great character - he's far from perfect, but he adapts, and changes. He literally has no ulterior motives.
Also there is a big cultural part to this too - I mean I am not Chinese and don't want to be presumptuous, so I don't want to get too far out of my lane (and please correct me if needed) but I feel like filial piety is a pretty important aspect of the culture. So it's best not to assume all cultures have the same values.
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On 5/28/2019 at 3:31 AM, lovecarnation said:
I really agree with you, I'm the same as you, really like the xufeng character in this drama, even I think Xufeng is the best character in this drama, he is a immortal who looks arrogant in front of and in many people's hearts but actually he is a immortal the most noble, kind, loyal friends, brotherhood, devoted to parents, loving, fair and wise ... xufeng is also a strong character, even when he was betrayed and fell into the demon realm, he still rose again, and never turned bad, he still has a gentle and loving heart ... I really like the xufeng character in this drama ...
Exactly. Agree with everything you said.
I'm a total sucker for genuinely kind characters, and XF, definitely fits the bill. I'm SO glad they made him soft.
With everything he's been through, he never once thought of betrayal, nor being manipulative - pretty much always staying true to his core. He's the kind of person I'd just want to be around/be friends with.
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Yeah, he's definitely one of my favourite characters too! (along with Jin Mi)
I feel like the writers (& DL's portrayal) made his character very human.
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On 5/23/2019 at 5:46 PM, CornishxPixie said:
Okay! I didnt know if when he came back the feather was destroyed. I know he was upset and felt betrayed that his heart still wanted to protect her but the way he kept glancing down at it before attempting to kill her. It didnt seem like he was angry about it. I wonder ifit survived
I think RY dropped in as he was destroying it - and stopped him from doing so altogether. I feel like XF is just a mess of emotions when he's revived. I mean he's got Sui He telling him lies and RY telling him lies WRT JM, and as you've noted, he's been feeling very betrayed (with very good reason!) but I also think he's starting to question SH at this point as well.
To me, I feel like he's just in chaos emotionally - since he's been so utterly betrayed by the person he trusted the most, and yet he still can't bring himself to hate her - he just wants to push her away, and not even think of her since it hurts him so much. So yeah, I agree with the others above - he''s wanting to punish her, but also not wanting to as well.
I think the the expression on his face, when he's starting to destroy the Phoenix hairpin, and JM starts crying "不要！不要！" (No, don't!) He's visibly shaken and not quite sure what to believe. Then later on, when he's in the cave alone, and everyone else is gone - he chides himself - since his heart is still with JM yet his mind is like, "dude she teamed up with RY and killed you, bro - they're gonna hurt you and probably kill you again."
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On 5/6/2019 at 5:36 PM, parksooha said:
@starry58
I want to watch DL again but not yet found the good one. He's in God looks promising but he's only has a support role.
I'm abut to watch Sweet Dream but I'm not really into Dilraba. That Hang Tai or whatever, not into the female lead also (I have so many qualification for this :D)
The one that seems interesting is True Brothers, that evil smile!!
You can watch The Gods/ Creation of Gods/ Investiture of the Gods on MangoTv (in my location I can only watch it via the app) They have up to episode 37 as of now.
If you're watching for DL, you probably want to give it a miss, as he's barely in it, and uh, it's not great. From what I've heard, it was shot in 2014, so it's dated. I do admit it has a certain charm and is kinda interesting. But it's not quality.
WRT Sweet Dreams, I actually really liked it, despite some awful and ??? writing. I like DD, though I'm not a big fan of the voice actor who dubs her in this.I think that because the cast is so great, they just make things work out (for the most part lol)
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On 4/15/2019 at 10:08 PM, starry58 said:
At least you can still catch the drift. Me.. not at all, just some of their actions. I really wish I understand the language, esp now that I am getting into these Chinese shows (Thanks Netflix for the introduction) LOL. Anyway, they all seem to enjoy each other's company. I love DL and WDX bonding moments too! Like how DL was coaching WDX in counting from 20 to 1 in English. LMAO
Maybe vaguely and/or occasionally lol!
Yes! WDX & DL are sweet. Enjoying Justin (adorable kid!) & Zhang Guo Wei (he's such a ham)moments as well; Xie Yi Lin is also adorable. I think the only person I'm not huge on is YM.
On 4/20/2019 at 5:29 PM, J13 said:New to this thread but I have been silently stalking these forums for quiet some time now (GMP actually brought me out of lurker mode lol).
Would be nice if season 2 actually starred DL and YZ.. it's always disappointing when an insanely popular drama has a season 2 with new actors but I get that the actors probably have other commitments. I got my hopes up when I saw 'Ashes of Love season 2' on MDL but DL and YZ are only listed as guests.. Hopefully the fan comments don't deter these two from acting together in a new drama, even if it's later down the track
Personally, I'm okay with the the two just being side characters since their story has already been told, and really, I don't think those two need any more drama in their lives lol! I just want them to live happily and peacefully ever after
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16 hours ago, starry58 said:
I hope so too!! I can rewatch it without getting tired of watching. Hahaha.
Oh thanks!! Yes it is from Great Escape. It looks good, and those who understand it say it is good. Even though I don't understand a thing, I still find myself laughing so yah LMAO. DL is like the team captain, but it is so funny seeing him get startled so easily HAHAHA. He is just so adorbs
I just started watching Great Escape, and I really wish my Mandarin was better (need to do more work on it lol) It is absolutely hilarious, - came for WDX & DL, but really, I love them all and just want to hang out with them - they are so pleasant and cheeky and fun! They're all great.
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On 4/9/2019 at 1:14 AM, kokodus said:
MDL has never been a credible source. It's fan edited. I'm pretty sure the other drama with YY and ZS was also a fan created one. Sighhh. Don't get false hopes guys. And never trust MDL. Lol.
Ah, thank you for the clarification!
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On 3/26/2019 at 8:56 PM, j15thcenturylit said:
Random question: I'm assuming all the male actors have the same hairline because they're wearing wigs. Am I right?
Pretty sure most everyone in the drama has wigs/extensions on/in :)
On 3/31/2019 at 5:10 AM, stevii said:its already almost a year after the drama ends but so little english subs for the BTS scenes
. really loved this drama and the chemistry between the characters, i feel like i would be so fun to watch their interactions off screen. if anyone know of any BTS subbed videos really appreciated if you could share the link because i've watched all of the non subbed and the viet subbed ones haha. nothing cures a withdrawal like fun BTS scenes
I know viki has some, and I think there might be some on yt
On 4/7/2019 at 9:48 AM, dashmount20 said:The sequel stars Yang Yang and Zheng Shuang ?? ? Wasn't expecting that.
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18 hours ago, Bem_Zee said:
I just finished this!!!! <3 <3 <3
I also watched Eternal love, soooo nice toooo....Never thought Chinese fantasy stories are so beautiful.
Any other drama you can recommend? With handsome and beautiful actors?
Here's my list, if you're interested: https://www.viki.com/collections/934531l-uhhh
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22 hours ago, kokodus said:
These fans are really going overboard. They have no right to dictate what their idols should do or shouldn't do. These two are friends for a very long time, so I wouldn't believe that these crazy fans would be able to put a dent in their relationship. But it is upsetting to hear these news. Poor girl, she even got attacked for sitting beside Deng Lun in that weibo night. Sighhh.
fan culture sure is a trip. Both Yang Zi & Deng Lun seem like they're both really good people and I hope weird fans don't continue to do stuff like that.
I can't help but feel idol/celebrity culture in general is pretty dehumanizing overall. And as important as art is to me, humanity comes first - people ought to be let alone to be themselves, and not some manipulated cardboard cutout. The human person first, then art. everything else should just fall away.
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Was reminiscing about the reasons I like this drama so much:
1. The acting/chemistry - the main leads especially.
2. The writing - when its good, it's fantastic
3. Soundtrack. I had to buy it. Sa Ding Ding is amazing and likewise Mao Buyi does such an amazing job with Unsullied. YZ & DL have really nice voices.
4. Characters: Mostly (esp. main characters) were very human & complex, have their dark sides, uncertainties etc. Some of them felt very real.
- Jin Mi: Naive as heck(for good reason), but still shown to be intelligent/well read, also is cheeky, bubbly, loyal and def. has a dark streak. Her growth is really cool to watch
- Phoenix: Behind his snobbishness from being royal, he's kindhearted, sensitive, has a cheeky side, loyal, has no interest in power/money = he's pretty down to earth beneath the spoiled rich kid veneer. lol (there def. needs to be far more "softer" male characters everywhere!! Other dramas with softer/non pushy main leads I really appreciate are Splendid Politics & Sweet Combat)
- Demon Princess - despite her character losing out with the Mu Ci story line, she's still pretty cool. Loyal, kindhearted, bad richard simmons.
- Hong/Moon - A lot of fun, despite some of the more questionable things like trying to set up Carrot with one of the young Flower Fairies
- Carrot is just so fun
- Yan You Is a pretty interesting character who seems more lighthearted than he actually is.
- I actually really appreciated the head fairy of flower realm - thought she was pretty realistic with her protectiveness of JM
- and I kinda hate to say it, but Run Yu - a worthwhile villain - even if his story line was draggy/we saw too much of him.
5. Themes I noticed:
- Since JM is so innocent the way she perceives the world is so pure. It really strikes me how many social norms/restrictions there are(in pretty much all corners of the globe), when really there's a lot to be done away with to advance (all) societies. Sometimes it's played for laughs, but I also felt a questioning feel to it all. I mean Empress is very hoity-toity, especially seen during the banquet w/ JM & Sui-He's framing of Yan You. RY, like wise is pretty pretentious with his ultra 'dignified' demeanor. Xu Feng might have an air of pomposity at first glance, however, he's pretty down to earth and just lets Jin Mi do what she does (often touching him, like when she was trying to find his wound, and when she "kisses" him for the first time) and doesn't really judge her for it. Yan You is likewise opposite to RY/Empress. (and yeah, I know there's a reason, but we didn't really see much of him before his "fall") Hong Hong is the same - he just is who he is, with no airs.
- Also the fact that JM is going around reading Fox/Moon God's/Hong's smutty novels and not feeling ashamed - or feeling really anything about any of it (really - how it should be!) is so absurdly hilarious and at the same time it's like wait a second...
- The nature of power/how it can and will corrupt & that the best life is a simple one with loved ones. Everyone who chased wealth/power paid for it. RY forced himself on JM and in the end it blew up all in his face, with her being killed and him almost losing himself to the daemon (if not for XF)
- Consent! As JM says at the end - A fish can only be caught if it wants to be caught. JM is shown consistently pushing away contact she does not want. Yan You, Run Yu, Moon God - she's been shown to avoid all of their touches at one point or another. I mean in contrast she keeps on touching XF, regardless of him - so it's an interesting dynamic on how she is someone who doesn't know what consent would be - until others put themselves on her. JM also confronts RY and calls him out once she finds out his malicious lies/ill intentions/etc "You made me kill the person I loved best, who loved me best/you don't know how to love" etc
- (close to consent, but I feel it deserves it's own category) Forcing yourself on someone/manipulating them Is. Not. Love! Love is not one-sided and someone doesn't belong to you because you want them/they make you feel good. Love is accepting a person for who they are and not hurting them with your actions. (ie.. RY saying to JM, who is devastated by XF's death that he "wants her to go back to the way she used to be.")
6. There is little to no chasing! Our Main Characters fall for each other gradually over a long period of time, even if one of them is restricted from love. They get to know each other and find out there's more to each other than meets the eye. It's organic and natural and boy did YZ & DL sell it. Which makes the latter part of the drama SO devastating! I still find myself sad over it even if I haven't even seen it months. Talk about heart wrenching.
7. Not only did it make me cry - it made me laugh!
8. The characters grow! i.e. Jin Mi "grows up" in the mortal realm & XF seems to grow more down to earth/drop the more he falls for JM.
I might have to come back to this later and fix/edit/add lol.
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3 hours ago, lovecarnation said:
I don't think it turns out that there are still people who feel Jinmi is wrong and Runyu is better than Xufeng.. lol... only because they like leo luo actor and justify the runyu character..omg..
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Personally I see RY as a genocidal sociopath! No thank you - lol!
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On 1/6/2019 at 3:09 PM, ForgottenSoulx said:
Finally finished this drama i stopped it around when people were getting fed up and angry with the changes it ruined the hype for me. This show was really well done now that i have finished it would rate it 8.5 and i did pity Run Yu quite alot , parts i disliked were Jin Mi's father's death i feel like he died a bit to easy and i was not a huge fan of the demon princess and mu ci storyline. The acting and special affects were so damn good though really liked them.
Also wonder why they lived in mortal world over Flower realm ;p
Regarding the ending though they are not mortals right? Jin Mi is a immortal?
Re: Jin Mi's father's/water god's death - the reason he died so easily was because he gave half his "power" in creating the ice blade for JM.
Agree with you that the MC/Demon princess arc was overdrawn and I felt that it was a hindrance to demon princess' character. I think it could have been lessened and other character arcs could have been expanded with a light touch of hand.
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22 hours ago, usagi1997 said:
That is the difference here. I don't hate this Drama. I never do. I even end them eventually when the are boring like hell. And I'm always interested in why others like it so much more. Sometimes it even gives me a different perspective and I can rewatch it from an other view. What is so disingenuous with that? TMOPB thread made me to like YH even when I really despited him when I watched the series first. He was such a lousy lover and didn't regarded SS feelings at all. I still think he didn't derserved her but my love for all others characters made me stay and the forum made me watch it a second time, beeing a bit more lenient from his side.
And I hoped that would happen here too. But people like you who are "All or nothing" weird me out. I really liked JM and Moon uncle. For them I finished the series and finished it with a praise for the cinematography. It was awesome. Are you telling me that I'm only accepted to post when I LOVE the drama? Excuse me but I only have a raised eyebrow for you.Fair enough. I apologize.
I don't know what it is about this drama that gets me so worked up, like I rarely get worked up over media, or feel protective of it, but this
one's thrown me for a loop. I guess, to me, I found it engaging with my need for socio-political content (could have been more), morals and truth
I guess, to me, in my view, I wouldn't feel the need to post to anything I felt meh about, even if I didn't hate it - but I guess I do have to remember people have different views and thoughts and aren't always trolling.
I didn't mean that you couldn't post anything negative, I mean I've posted a lot of criticism of it myself, and I think I just misread your comment, so again I apologize. I will try and remember to take a step back before assuming & commenting.
21 hours ago, angelangie said:too much became abusive to be honest.... a lil is cute some times
Maybe...if it's consensual
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On 12/18/2018 at 1:23 AM, babysiew said:
I am completely opposite. I get thrills when I watched the male lead is dominant in chasing the female lead. I felt there is chemistry in such acts. I dont find it as forcing himself onto her or etc because somewhat it is nicely done and made it feels like mutual. He did it to her and she kinda doesnt like it but like it kinda feel. Made her heart racing etc. I totally love this kinda scenes. Made me smile hahahaha...
Well, fair enough - but to me these kinds of tropes have real world implications and I do feel strongly that these kinds of tropes are dehumanizing to women, and may lead to abusive behaviour. It's how I feel as someone who's dealt with abuse personally and I do know many women affected by it, and I've also done some study on media&culture (on my own - fwiw) I'm not aiming to change your mind, but at least I hope I can possibly give you something to perhaps think about.
On 12/18/2018 at 7:03 PM, lovecarnation said:i'm so happy read your opinion and i want to say i'm totally agree with all what you explain above.yeah... I feel in this series that Xufeng's character is the best, because he is one of the characters who is free from feelings of hatred, free from the bond of desire for power and perhaps one of the characters that makes me feel sympathy for him. After he was stabbed in the back of people what he loved, all the sad things happened to him, the person he loved betrayed him, his parents died, even he had to lose his status in the world of gods ... he lost everything. something very hard for him to bear at that time. liu ying, the king of biancheng and muchi are the characters who give the most encouragement to him when he falls (I didn't mention suihe because she is the mastermind of all the things that happened to him, so I don't think something she did for xufeng after he was down is something sincerity).
actually there is a word from Suihe that awakens Jinmi, when she comes to Suihe in the demon realm, Suihe says she will never do something like kill Xufeng, not like Jinmi did. From that part maybe Jinmi felt she was guilty of not believing in Xufeng at that time (because before when Jinmi mourned 3 years for her father in the flower realm, Xufeng had once confirmed to her that it was not his actions, and how could he kill parents of women who he loved the most, and so stupidly left a trail so that people could know who the killer was, perhaps by using a glass fire) and but well ... Jinmi had already paid for everything she did and was responsible for her own actions.
and here, honestly I could not feel sympathy for Runyu after all that he had done, well he had a tragic childhood but that could not be the reason why he must hated xufeng so much ... when they fought in the late episodes, we all could Seeing how ambitious Runyu was about to kill Xufeng, even when the Baiwei effect made Xufeng's hand freeze, it was used as an opportunity to runyu for several times injuring Xufeng, he had been possessed of feelings of hatred, jealousy, deep grudges and could no longer think healthy, and so for that I strongly disagree, in fact he can return to occupying the position of emperor of the sky after the chaos he did.
maybe there is one sentence from the empress of the sky that I agree with, in matters of heart, xufeng is not like runyu, runyu has a very complete heart problem, even though at first he looks very silent and polite but in his heart there is hatred, revenge and jealousy not seen by others. whereas Xufeng is considered innocent and has never had other bad thoughts for others.
runyu is a very cunning character, after the murder of the water god, in front of the emperor of the sky he acted as if he was a very good person, he defended xufeng and believed Xufeng was not the culprit, but besides that, he made a dream reality to see by Jinmi which in the incident was indeed Xufeng who killed her father, and changed the dream record in the storage room, only to see that it was a real dream from Xufeng, and after the incident was revealed, the guard from the storage room had to cover up and be accused of being the mastermind. really a very cruel and cunning character.
I agree totally. XF def was (& is) one of my favourite characters. He's flawed, makes mistakes, does some awful things - but still - to me he's kind of in his own orbit - like he has no need for power/wealth, he's genuinely kind, helps out friends in need, is pretty darn patient and has an unmistakeable softness abut him - something I -need- to see in many more male characters. The first time I saw the scenes in where XF is acting all cocky with RY I was annoyed with XF - but people on here had some great points and I changed my mind about it.
On 12/18/2018 at 10:14 PM, angelangie said:sorry that it took me so long to respond....was busy last week due i need to rush in and out for a business travel lols
can't agree more.... they need to simplify it....they over dramatize it in my eyes too that it became kind of a drag instead ....
hmm....i hate the idea guys being pushy just to get girls to ended up having to submit to them instead....i wonder does it show that the guy is more manly or it just the way it is in the caveman style
I think it's -supposed- to be a "manly"/caveman thing, but as I keep railing on about (sorry! apparenty this is a sore spot with me lol), I don't think it's very manly - I feel more like it's dehumanizing to women and, well abusive!
On 12/19/2018 at 8:02 PM, lovecarnation said:yes... i'm agree with you, after so many painful things happened to xufeng, I felt he did not turn evil, even when he had suspected that sui he had killed the god of water in his name, he was afraid that after the truth was revealed there would be many people involved in that and eventually they had to die, as befits when at first he finds out who hurt him at the beginning of the episode, and finally so many casualties fall, he has a compassionate heart, but fortunately liuying reminds himself that letting is also not a solution but can add problems to in the future.
even after what he did he remained willing to help Runyu to take out the qiong qi from his body and not let his brother turn into a living corpse and after three years passed heavingly he still called him "brother" ... he really had a spacious heart.
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On 12/27/2018 at 6:28 AM, usagi1997 said:I found the Drama quite avagerage and boring except the main leads (all three) chemistry and Moon uncle was just ubercute
. But I absolutely adored these scences. They were made so beautiful. For the first time in my Drama life I wished that was the end for them. Phoenix didn't deserve her, neither Night. They were so selfish to start a war and destroy innocent souls and lifes. That isn't love!
My perfect ending would be JM getting happy with some mortal. Phoenix did nothing to earn her back. But that wouldn't count as Happy end, wouldn't it?
Uh, I can't help but feeling you're being disingenuous here. I mean I hated some dramas, especially Flames Daughter and Three Lives/Ten miles etc but I feel like posting my thoughts on those forums would be kinda weird since I know people on those forums love their shows.
I personally didn't find it boring at all, I found it one of the most engaging series' that I've ever seen. And I'm damn near impossible to please - I def do have criticisms of it, however.
Going to XF : here's one of my previous posts (with my alt google sign in)
Basically, XF has no choice but to fight - RY is genocidal. To prevent the war, the only things that will stop RY are JM goes to RY (RY will still want to kill XF, and why is RY owed a human person?? JM does NOT want to be with RY.) or JM dies.
What are XF's options??? ??? on dealing with a Hitler???? Are you going to try to talk genocidal maniacs out of being genocidal maniacs??? as I said before, I hate fighting but sometimes it's the only thing to do to defend the life of others and yourself
On 12/27/2018 at 6:54 AM, lovecarnation said:Sorry for this I do not agree with you, how could Xufeng be inappropriate for Jinmi, not him who started the war, but Runyu, by avoiding war he must surrender jinmi while that would only make Jinmi suffer? Why? Because jinmi is very much loved by Xufeng, I feel that it is only natural for a man to always protect the woman he loves, but what about runyu? He didn't just want to snatch the jinmi who didn't love him to return to his side? But killing his own brother? Is that appropriate? He never wanted to let go of Xufeng even in a pill given to Jinmi for Xufeng and mixed with Xufeng's destructive elements, he never released Xufeng. And the end of the story is happy ending. why? Because two people who love each other so deeply but are always blocked by various things, finally they can reunite ... I think that's a mate and we can see Jinmi is very happy, even her eyes can't see color anymore, she still feels it's the biggest happiness because of a smile xufeng and her son's happiness was the greatest happiness for her ... a great ending for me
Iam very happy you love this drama. Love xufeng and jinmi too. Yes .. their chemistry is very great ...
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On 12/27/2018 at 7:44 PM, lovecarnation said:and actually i want to say I am unable to agree with people saying that Phoenix stole his brother fiancee. First of all the Fiancee he was supposed to have is the daughter between the water diety and wind diety. It was not the water diety and the flower diety which is Jin Mi. The Phoenix and Jin Mi were fated from the very beginning. He confessed his love in front of everyone for her and the Night Diety took advantage of the situation and put his own motive first. Phoenix have the right to fight for his love and from the very beginning even if the pill is suppressing it, Jin Min already felt drawn to Phoenix. We can see at the beginning on episode 9 where Jinmi felt her heart is so hurt many times when Xufeng thought he was his sister and could not be with him and then he was carried into the dream of silk flowers (which are themselves) and jinmi inside the pill Yundan silk flowers have realized that he has fallen in love with Xufeng. so, i'm never agree if someone said that Phoenix stole her from his brother. Clearly, the night diety did that first. She belonged to Phoenix from the beginning all the way to the end...
The implication for me of that "XF stole JM from RY" is this totally negates JM as a human person. Like - she does not belong to RY (or XF for that matter) and RY was absolutely disgusting and literally forced himself onto JM. Like he wormed his way into marrying her. Water Deity would have NEVER allowed the marriage in the first place - remember?? Water did not want his daughter to have anything to do with the royal family since both the Emperor and the Empress are awful, and his history with Emperor. It was only when RY lied straight to Water's face several times saying that JM and him "had mutual feelings" which of course JM had none. We do know from what - episode 6? that she starts to have feelings for XF but is blocked by yundan, and had the first "dream " about the frost flower.
On 12/28/2018 at 1:31 AM, lovecarnation said:hahaha ... thank you for the praise and similarity of thoughts, yes, I still clearly remember that part, jinmi often refuses every time Runyu wants to touch her, here we can see she doesn't love runyu, there is only one xufeng in her heart. I still remember clearly the part where because Jinmi was injured because she brought light from the oldest uncle Xufeng and Runyu used the method by cutting the pulse and channeling his blood to Jinmi, when Jinmi knew it and asked her, Runyu hugged Jinmi tightly, but Jinmi then said sorry to him because she can't accept him, in her heart there is only Xufeng, every time she thinks of Xufeng his heart is very sad his whole body hurts, he loves xufeng very much, she can't repay love from Runyu.
and there is also one part that I clearly remember when kuanglu asked to her if jinmi's heart was made of ice why she didn't have feelings with runyu, jinmi replied that she has a feelings for runyu, but it was not the feeling kuanglu meant (love) but only friends.Jinmi and Xufeng's hearts are indeed united, they even passed the test when they were married in the demon realm
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. really loved this drama and the chemistry between the characters, i feel like i would be so fun to watch their interactions off screen. if anyone know of any BTS subbed videos really appreciated if you could share the link because i've watched all of the non subbed and the viet subbed ones haha. nothing cures a withdrawal like fun BTS scenes 
[Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] Heavy Sweetness Ash-like Frost 香蜜沉沉烬如霜
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Yes of course, Im not saying youre forcing your opinion on me, i'm just replying with my opinion??
Personally i think it is a beautiful love story, although yes I do have issues with it. You're free to disagree.
He's not like that? He's not putting a wager on the throne - he's never wanted it. I mean him and JM *love each other* which he plainly stated to RY and RY plainly knows. It's not like XF manipulated JM from the start, like RY who has manipulated, lied, stalked her (etc) Did I like his choice of words? no, Id rather he said "it's up to JM, not you"
Also to me, both JM & XF are shown through out the series to not always say the right thing.
I dont know where this matters ?? I said RY was going to genocide 2 realms. Flower & Demon because of JM . he has the Flower realm under his control & is going to kill everyone until JM goes back to him
He outright says on the battlefield that he will kill everyone in the demon realm to get what he wants.
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I haven't said a word about you personally??? I don't know you at all.
I said RY is a narcissist because I've been around them and they scare me - that's why I have made the connection to *RY* (not you nor to anyone who has a differing opinion, so apologies if my post made it sound that way) being a NPD because all of his actions exemplify what my lived experiences are with those people. RY is not someone I'd ever want to put myself near, he's not trustworthy -to me-