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  1. Just popping in to help fill in some blanks for you @ellelyana88 Great job recapping! Just in case this isn't clear for anyone, I believe stepmom was telling the truth when she said Sekyung died from pneumonia (or something similar). She didn't die from being abused, she died because her parents were scared that if they took her to the hospital for treatment they would be investigated for child abuse because of the bruises on Sekyung. WK says to JH, "You predicted what I would try to do, didn't you?" and JH affirms that and thanks her for not doing so. He tells her watching another person become the same way as LEH would have been hell for him. WK cries that SK was the one who stopped her. I didn't catch all of this segment myself, but from what I did understand I believe IT guy discovered an old thesis or research paper that YTJ authored regarding a new technique called the "Anti-Defense Mechanism" which would be able to break down the mental barriers people create for themselves to forget traumatic events. This is likely what his hypnotism technique is and it's how he was able to find out everyone's dark secrets. I'm not entirely sure about this part either, but I think SY had been bailing her stepbrother out for his gambling and that he'd been beating her up when she didn't want to pay anymore. Basically, the justification for why her mother told her to put up with it and SY herself didn't complain about it was because he was her family. This seems to be a running theme in this episode. One of the things WK said was that she herself wasn't completely innocent either. As a person who's committed plenty of crimes as well, how could she take it upon herself to punish someone else for their's? The flashback was LEH saying he was jealous that JH doesn't have any wrinkles (worries) and then JH snarks in response "Is that why he gave me a giant wrinkle?" lol I believe what YTJ was trying to say to WK was that to let the people live would be to give them another chance and to believe in the possibility of positive change in the future. I think YTJ felt they didn't deserve that chance and so he favored killing them. However, WK chose hope for the future over hate of the past. Although nothing will change the crimes her stepmom committed in the past, her daughter wants her as a grandmother and WK doesn't want to take that away from her. Instead she's grudgingly choosing to help hide her stepmother's crimes and move forward knowing that her stepmom will spend the rest of her life trying to make up for her past by being the best possible grandmother to EunSeo and reconnecting as a real mother with fake Sekyung. I believe the rest of the story went that the Sun felt so bad for her sister, the Moon, that she decided to take her place in the scary darkness. The moon became red and brightly shone like the daylight sun while meanwhile the sun became tinged blue shining in the darkness of the night.
  2. Especially now that I've seen the finale, I think this point is exactly why I still have my doubts. I re-watched Eunho's confession scene the other day and I think you're right that there are just too many full face shots and whatnot for the flashbacks to be false. The problem is I think the flashbacks actually really aren't fully reliable all the time. For instance, in the final episode they show one flashback about how Eunho and Tae Joo reunited and then discredit it later on with a completely different flashback. I think the flashbacks were also intentionally misleading/ambiguous at times too, such as when we were led to believe Eunho killed Hana's mother because the person was wearing the "good person" mask and Eunho walked out of the room holding it, but then they showed a flashback of Tae Joo taking off the mask right after implying that Eunho was the one being chased the night Jiheon got beat up. They tried to give the impression it was as an exception, but they never bothered to explain what exactly happened. I guess we're to assume either Eunho somehow managed to call his brother who was at a party nearby and they did a complete switcheroo while Jiheon was chasing him, or the guy who picked up the envelope was actually Tae Joo in the first place despite what the flashback implied. When you combine the questionable reliability of the flashbacks with the fact that most of our cast is known for lying it becomes very hard to know when you're supposed to take something at face value and when you're supposed to suspect it of being a red herring. This is why I really wanted there to be some kind of hard evidence involved in this mystery. Instead everything was solved with confessions from unreliable characters. When you add the multiple plot-holes/unfinished plot-threads to that it ends up undermining the "Aha!' moments you're supposed to get from the mystery and leaves you feeling like things don't add up. I guess the writer tried to bite off more than she could chew with this work and relied a little too hard on red herring twists for suspense. By the way, I hope this doesn't all come across as me trying to prove you wrong! I feel like I keep directing all these long argumentative essays at you, but quoting you is just the easiest way for me to segue into my own ramblings... I had all this stuff pent up I wanted to say and ended up word vomitting it all on you lol On a completely different note, I really liked how CWK's arc was handled, even if the ending took me by surprise. The idea of CWK, who had a perfect life before, taking her sister's place by living in misery hiding the secret of her sister's death so her sister can rest in peace while the stepmom who previously lived in misery gets a second chance at a happy life was certainly interesting to say the least. The show brings up so many interesting talking points right up until the end and I wasn't expecting it to end on such a thought-provokingly dark note. Overall, I'd give this show a rating of solidly above average. If it weren't for the plot problems and the wasted potential with Eunho and Tae Joo's relationship/motives behind the murders this would definitely have been one of the best dramas I've ever seen though. It's a shame that the characters of Eunho and Tae Joo both ended up feeling inconsistent and hard to understand. The guy made his brother a raging murderer out of guilt that his brother was abused instead of him???? Am I supposed to pity him and accept that as a plausible excuse? Someone please tell me I'm not the only one left scratching my head at how that got wrapped up haha
  3. @cyan5tarlight I'm not trying to say that Eunho isn't a culprit or responsible for the deaths, but for me this is more about getting justice for him as a victim of Red Cry himself. As it stands right now, he died a murderer that as far as the general public can tell was just as much on board with the idea of murdering and equal in status as the mastermind behind Red Cry as his brother. However, although I can easily see the brother not having remorse about killing, I can't see Eunho as being able to do so as easily as he told Wookyung he did. There's also the matter that because we we're never given solid evidence that Eunho killed (such as CCTV footage) there's no telling whether the flashback was truly a flashback or just a visual representation of the story that Eunho was trying to sell. The show did a similar thing with Hana's mother's death since, other than Hana saying she saw a good person, she never actually said anything about how her mother died or what exactly happened that night. The flashback we were given then was a visualization for the situation that Jiheon assumed happened, but it's possible that what we saw then was not actually the full/accurate story. I totally get you though about feeling betrayed if the flashbacks we were given were not actually flashbacks. It does have a bit of a feeling of being pettily tricked if they go back and say, "Psyche! Something completely different happened!" But at the same time I can sort of forgive it because in a mystery genre you want things to come together because of facts and evidence not just assumptions and word of mouth. I'd actually be willing to accept Eunho as the murderer in Sora's dad's and Hana's mother's cases, just not Hana's father's. The first two deaths were very hands-off killings and I can imagine Eunho being able to do them because they weren't cold-blood murder. The dad was already in the wrong for choosing to drink while on sleeping pills and could quite possibly have died on his own anyway had no one discovered him even without Eunho lighting the charcoal in the car. Similarly with Hana's mother, she was putting herself at dangerous risk in the first place by living in a dusty attic when she had severe asthma. She could have just as easily dropped the inhaler in a crevice somewhere and died from that at any point. I can see how someone without a predisposition to murder may be able to easily justify those murders to themselves by thinking they were just expediting the inevitable and that really it was the victims' own fault they died. But Hana's father's death was the first one that involved violence and torture, which is another reason why I think it was Tae Joo's doing and not Eunho's. Notably, the only cold-blood murder that it's certain Eunho committed was the one that he committed suicide after which, once again, proves to me that he wasn't as unaffected by the idea of murdering that he said he was. As for the shoes, I don't think there's been a mention of them since the camera showed them with the envelope, but I could be wrong. The camera angle didn't give a clear shot of the laces so it's hard to tell whom they belong to. Either way, who's shoes they are doesn't matter so much as what the shoes themselves signify. The police would not be able to tell that there was a second culprit present at the dog farm if both of them were wearing the same size and type of shoe. It's likely that the shoes (which were craddling the envelope as if they themselves were part of the evidence btw) are meant to be a sign that Tae Joo could have also been wearing them that night. I also have a hunch that there's some kind of critical evidence hidden in the shoes (the dog farm's CCTV footage maybe?) that can be used to incriminate Tae Joo since because of the Black Chat app Jiheon isn't going to be able to get any concrete evidence out of searching his computer and phone. When it comes to the poems, I'm honestly going to be super bummed if it turns out that there's no purpose behind the selection of the poems. It would feel like a major cop-out for me on the writer's part to take random snippets out of poems just so that she could use them in a completely different context and then dismiss the rest of the poem with some excuse like the character wasn't educated enough to understand them, especially since 3 of the 5 poems are very straightforward. If she was going to do that then she should have at least chosen angry or condemning poems. The thing is the poems she chose are anything but angry or condemning. In fact, they're kind of the complete opposite. I already explained about the leper poem, so another short example is the one left behind at Hana's mother's crime scene. The line is from a poem called "The Unknown Warrior" and it's essentially about a soldier taking on the burden of the life of his enemy he took and wishing for the deceased to become everlasting by turning into a tree and reuniting with his mother in the skies. The very stanza he took his line from was "The rotten and corroded flesh/The weight of that flesh/in this time when I think of you/it becomes the weight of our own flesh\From the moment your entire body/becomes buried in the earth's soil/May your bones/become everlasting roots." The use of the line becomes even more peculiar when you take into consideration that he changed it to say "the weight of that crime." The poem left behind for Seok Woo's mom before she was hit by the truck is odd in a similar fashion. The poem "You whom I cannot save" is about a priest who sees a person struggling with darkness within them but because they have decided to stand alone and turn their back on the world he can't save him no matter how much he wishes to. Instead he can only continue to send up futile prayers on his behalf. Again, not the kind of poem that you would expect to see at a murder scene. I kind of doubt in the 1 hour we have left of the show that they're going to address the content of the poems, but you've got to admit it's a very intriguing collection of selections.
  4. I actually agree with you about LEH not committing the murders. It's never sat right with me that throughout this show we've seen that LEH really is genuinely a good person and even after his death people keep saying he doesn't seem like the type to murder. Plus, I feel like it goes against the narrative that he's been trying to push that just because you have a tragic past it doesn't mean you'll become a monster from it. Fortunately, I once again have a bunch of clues that LEH may have been the accomplice/cover-up guy, but not the actual murderer lol 1. The previous cases were closed with the verdict that Red Cry was the culprit, not LEH specifically. The only reason LEH was deemed Red Cry was because there's undeniable evidence that he was involved in all the crimes and this was before JH realized that there were two people behind the Red Cry name. We've yet to have any solid evidence that LEH actually committed murder. 2. There are several factors about Ha Na's mother's death that don't add up. I think we all agree that by all logic, Ha Na's mom was more a victim of abuse herself than a child abuser. She grew up homeless with some kind of disability that makes her unable to speak, lived in the dog butcher's outdoor shed, likely only had children because she was raped by dog butcher, and yet still had the desire to become a good mother and the sense to escape with Ha Na when the little sister was murdered. It strikes me as odd that a women who spent her whole life living off dumpsters in the streets would all of a sudden get the idea to search for a conveniently unlocked storage room in a children's center to live in hiding with her child. We also know now that LEH's first encounter with her was on the streets, not the center. Logically speaking, as a building maintenance worker with keys to all the rooms in the building, wouldn't LEH have to have been the one to set her up in the unused storage room? Also, during the investigation they mentioned that someone went through a lot of effort to erase all traces of a child having lived in the storage room. If the mission of Red Cry was to punish child abusers, why did LEH try to hide the fact that she had a child? Not to mention, I can't believe he would make a young child watch their parent die right in front of their eyes... 3. LEH definitely didn't kill Ha Na's father. There was way too much going on that night for one person to be able to do all alone. Tae Joo probably started the fight with the father before dragging him outside to torture the exact location of the sister's skeleton out of him, which is when LEH came in to drug Ha Na before she could hear her father's screams and take her to safety. He also must have searched the house for the watch to alert the police to come since LEH is the only one of the two that witnessed Captain Hong giving it to her. 4. Not only did LEH not explicitly confess to Ha Na's father's murder, but he also connected his murder with the murder of Mr. Yoon when he tipped the press off about the director. Everyone knows that Mr. Yoon's murder had nothing to do with Red Cry so why would he do that? And if he wanted to make the director a scapegoat why would he only mention 1 of the Red Cry murders and leave out the child abuse part on top of that? He must have done so to give the police reason to re-examine the case, likely because there's critical evidence at that specific crime scene that can be used to incriminate his brother. Which brings me to.... 5. The shoes! He left only two things in his room for JH to find- the envelope with the CCTV footage and the pair of shoes we assumed were his. The shoes have no blood on them and as far as I can tell the laces are not done up weirdly like the director's were, which means either LEH got his shoes dry cleaned just to leave them behind or this is an intentional clue for JH that there was another pair of shoes involved in the murder of Ha Na's father. and finally... 6. The poems. I'm still working on this point because several of the poems are too difficult for me to translate, but I will say that, from what I've gathered so far, when you put the lines of poetry left at the crime scenes back into the context of their original poems they tend to have a much different meaning from what they initially appeared to have. For instance, everyone assumed the Leper poem was indicating child abuse, but actually it's a very sad poem about a desperate leper that believes his only hope for a cure is to eat a baby, However, once he does so he's so horrified by the terrible act he'd done that he grieves red cries all night. I've got a suspicion that the poetry lines may not have been referring to the victims, but I'll write another post on what I mean by that later once I've finished looking at them.
  5. I'm glad you were intrigued by that line (hobakky here!). I do believe that EH has been brainwashed, but not quite what you're thinking. I have a very long explanation for this, but the short version of the theory I'm trying to pique people's interest in is the idea that EH is actually a not entirely willing pawn acting at the hand of his brother's emotional/psychological manipulation that made him think murdering was what a "good person" would do. When I looked back on a lot of previous moments in this drama, I realized that the writer has been placing continuous clues that we interpreted one way, but may actually have a hidden meaning. Many of them stem from EH's conversations with JH. In ep 27 after SY tells JH to get trauma therapy JH has a series of flashbacks of comments EH had told him. "Why do you want to catch him?", "Who is it that you want to catch?", "You keep saying 'normal', but what exactly is normal?", "Police will always suspect me first because i'm an uneducated orphan without a decent job.", and "It must be nice for everything to be so clear-cut for you. You won't have anything to worry about." The easiest clues that we missed are the normal and orphan comments. These were hints pointing right to his brother, the psychologist Tae Joo. TJ is the exact opposite of what EH described since he was adopted, has the highest educational degree possible, and has one of the most highly thought of jobs in the world- a doctor. However, as EH pointed out the police and public will never suspect TJ cause he seems so normal. Instead, it is much easier for everyone to draw conclusions that the "abnormal" orphan would become a criminal just because of their different/sad upbringing making EH the ideal scapegoat. It's becoming clear now that TJ is the real abnormal one since he displays many characteristics of a psychopath, such as not even blinking at the news of his only blood relative dying to protect him.. The second set of clues here is EH's repetitive questioning of exactly who JH wanted to catch and when JH responded "the real one" EH tells him " The real (one) I hope you catch him." Notably, EH never actually said "the real criminal", he only said 진짜 (real) and when I looked up alternative definitions for 잡다 (catch) one of them was "to find out or discover a clue, the point, evidence, etc..." So I think this conversation was basically EH's way of asking JH whether he just wants a criminal to put behind bars or if he wants to know the whole hidden truth. I also think it was a test for JH since the two of them have bad blood between them due to JH previously closing the Boy A case without knowing the whole truth behind it and allowing EH to be the (reluctantly let free) scapegoat before. I believe EH ended things when he did because he trusted JH wouldn't make the same mistake this time and would ensure that he gets the full story, even if he already has a culprit to close the case with. The third clue here was the kicker for me. Why would EH feel that things are clear-cut for JH and be jealous of it? I doubt this was merely a throwaway sarcastic "what would you know? your life is perfect" kind of comment. Clearly he's admitting that something is agonizing him because he's conflicted about it. I originally thought he was merely referring to the predicament of being abused by the head director yet not being able to fully hate him because he's his only family, but that was before we knew that EH actually does have another family. Why would he have conflicting feelings about hating the director when he's been working with his blood brother to kill people just like the director? Perhaps it's because deep down he's not fully convinced that killing is the right thing to do. It makes sense that EH would be jealous of JH since, as a police officer, JH's moral compass is clear- if it's against the law it's wrong. But EH has been going against the law under the impression that what he was doing was the true moral thing to do. Isn't that why, of all things, he wears a "Good Person" mask when he's acting as Red Cry? His guilt suicide is proof though that he wasn't fully buying his own justification for his actions, which means that someone else must have lured him into believing he was doing the right thing despite his conscience saying otherwise. I'm convinced Tae Joo intentionally brought up those traumatic memories and then used anger to brainwash EH into becoming a henchman to do all his dirty work for him, especially since he's following a similar pattern with WK now by fueling her anger towards her stepmom. EH even warned WK before that remembering will make her turn out like him. His insistence that he wanted to save her didn't make sense to me at the time because it went against his previous actions. If he thought being able to remember the abuse would make you a murderer, why not kill the previous children as well? Therefore, he must have known then that TJ was going to try grooming WK into a murderer just as he did to him. There's a couple of other things that also suggest EH's relationship with his brother wasn't the healthiest and that things we thought applied to his relationship with the director were actually parallels to his relationship with his brother. For instance, when WK told him the head director's son said for him to fess up and he'll get him a good lawyer his face got super dark and he told her that someone else once warned him against his way of thinking saying, "what good is considering someone family if they don't think the same of you? They just brainwash you so they can use you." I'm pretty sure that someone else was his brother and that those were the words he used to first lure EH into becoming Red Cry a la "I'm your real family so you can trust me." But I think this moment where WK asks him flat out if he's willing to let himself become a murderer just to please someone else is his epiphany/breaking point because that's exactly what he did. The even more telling line is his response when JH asked him why he took the fall. He quoted WK's line about how once a relationship has been cemented you can't break out of it, no matter how much you want to. Then he critically adds "even if you meet again after growing older, some things never change." I think it makes total sense that as his only living family member, EH would always feel inclined to stick up for and trust in TJ. Just as children think of their parents as their universe, EH probably had a similar reverence for TJ and believed that, even if he had niggling doubts in the back of his mind, surely his brother would be the one person he could have total faith in to not lead him astray. But the tragedy is his brother's words came true after all- once again he was the only one that thought of the other as family and was brainwashed and used. It's no wonder he's only comfortable with kids. They're probably the only ones he can count on to not betray him. In the end, I think EH is going to end up becoming an example of a victim of the abuse trifecta: sexual, physical, and emotional.
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