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  1. Agree with this character evaluation. ZZR is certainly depicted as pure and kind maiden in the story, but she doesn't have what it takes to lead. I always see her as this demure and submissive lady. And this is a bad recipe for a leadership. ZWJ on the other hand, in my opinion, has what it takes for leadership. Even though right now we frustrated with him being so naive and wishy washy, we need to admit that he has this charisma that is able to inspire people. His naivety, I think, mainly caused by his unique upbringing. But give him a few years, I think he has potential to be wiser while still retaining his compassion (if he really want to rule). He has Yang Xiao by his side (who seems to be very adapt in this politic ploy) to help him anyway. ZZR is too character-weak. She knows very well that her teacher last order was wrong, but she still following that order. It has always been like that, ever since in Guan Ming peak arc. Her fellow disciples do not respect her, only kind of accepting her because it was their teacher order and because ZZR is more powerful than them (later on). Ji Xiao Fu is stronger than ZZR, character wise. JXF has this strength and courage to do what her heart told her to do even though she needed to pay with her life. This inherent weakness, coupled with a great pressure of expectation as Emei sect leader, made ZZR finally succumbed to short cut way. She could no longer thinking clearly. All she wanted to do is to finish her teacher wish as soon as possible and as easy as possible (person with weak character usually also equal with having no confidence in themselves, hence I doubt she will ever think about challenging ZM in martial duel). It is not that she inherently evil, but in the face of pressure she doesn't have what it takes to control herself to stay in right path.
  2. We all quite agree that the editing is very bad. However, I haven't regretted that I decided to watch this. The storytelling (excluding the ending) is good, chemistry is superb (one of the best that I've ever seen), acting is .... (including protagonist and antagonist side characters). I can always create my own ending inside my head, so ..... the re-watching value of this drama is high for me. Now that I more or less have sobered up from frustration of bad ending and editing, I want to talk about the drama ending in general. I think chinese drama has this chronic sickness called "rushed ending". Like 95% drama or more that I have seen always have rushed ending. The only drama that really take time to elaborate their ending (that I know of) is Ten Miles Peach Blossom. That drama really took its time to elaborate Bai Qian pain in losing Ye Hua so when it was time for the couple reunion I could feel the relieve of "Final". The legends, I believe we have seen all the footage available and we have more or less reached consensus that the original ending should be the scene of Liu He sword in sword tomb. If we followed the original ending, the timeline should be: 1. Li Chen Lan - Zhao Yao fight in sword tomb 2. Li Chen Lan dies 3. Zhao Yao desperately trying to find Li Chen Lan body 4. Zhao Yao in white clothes, waiting for Li Chen Lan comes back 5. Liu He sword comes out in sword tomb I wish that the drama took time to elaborate what had happened in between point 3 and 4. In the point 3, Zhao Yao was in craze moment, trying to find Li Chen Lan remains only to fail. What happened next? Did she return to Wan Lu Men heart broken? Or she refused to return at all? And how did she get this believe that Li Chen Lan would come back? Because she didn't find the body? Well, Li Chen Lan body could have been turned to ash like had happened to Luo Ming Xuan. In her conversation with Sima Rong, I got the feel that Sima Rong was very careful and gentle when he brought up Li Chen Lan issue. I believe any sane person in Wan Lu Men would think that Li Chen Lan was dead, so what had happened that made them never say that aloud in front of Zhao Yao? Bai Lu acting in the end arc was very good. She is the first actress that I have seen that can emote the devastated state of mind that well. Acting for this type of screen is not easy I think because the sadness that must be emoted is beyond tears. The actor/actress needs to emote with their whole body. Bai Lu nailed this very well. You can see in the way she smiled, walked, and talked when she was in that white mourning clothes. I can only imagine how she would act in a screen when she needed to defend her believe that Li Chen Lan was still alive; when the memory of her thrusting Liu He sword through Li Chen Lan body was still very fresh in her mind. That would be one hell of performance if nailed well. The pain, the disbelief, the desperation, and above all anger to herself. Li Chen Lan brought out Liu He sword on his own choice, correct. But at that point of time, it would not matter for Zhao Yao. All she knew, she was the one who asked for the sword, and she was also the one that used the sword to kill him. Her conclusion would be: I was the one who brought him to his death from the beginning. My point is, you have such wonderful actress in your hand. Why not let her perform the ending scene to its fullest? Let us the viewers feel the pain to its fullest, too. Make us crying for the whole episode. Instead we were only given a couple of minutes ..... sigh .....
  3. @frostflower14 @Alila N I think we have different opinion of the number of bed scene. There are two bed scene in total in this last week episodes: 1.The bed scene in episode 53 (the passionate) and in episode 52 (I haven't sleep this well in a long time) should be originally one scene. We can see that in both scenes, Li Chen Lan clothes is the same. He is in black undershirt. Zhao Yao hairdo is also the same. And both have the same conversation nuance. Basically, both scenes talking about how Li Chen Lan xin mo is now under control. Therefore, it is logical to put this bed scene right after the sword sealing. Because the sword returns in Luo Ming Xuan arc. 2. The bed scene in episode 55. This bed scene is put correctly, because this must happen after Luo Ming Xuan death. Li Chen Lan wears his golden-black pajamas (different from bed scene no. 1) and Zhao Yao hairdo is also the same as the one she wears in Luo Ming Xuan arc. Plus we can see Li Chen Lan has red mark on his neck and hand which can only come from his restraint in that arc. Following this logic, that was why I said in my previous post that we missing a scene when Li Chen Lan loses consciousness after sword sealing. Remember in raft scene, we can hear Zhao Yao calling Mo Qing name. I think in the real world, Li Chen Lan must have loss his consciousness. Conclusion: There are two times of Li Chen Lan losing his consciousness which lead to two bed scene. However, we have only seen one.
  4. Where is this fight? The only time Li Chen Lan fight with Luo Ming Xuan and loss consciousness should be in episode 55 only?! We have 2 bed scene. One should be following the sword sealing because at that time, Li Chen Lan said "Body seems to have no power, the heart feels empty, but seems there is no mo qi". These words could only come after the sword sealing. And then we have those kissing and .... the deed perhaps. The other bed scene is following Luo Ming Xuan death; you can see Li Chen Lan has read marks around his neck which come from his restraint. This scene should be followed with Shen Qian Jin marriage in Gu Han Guang tomb.
  5. @frostflower14 Agree. It seems to be correct order. What we are missing right now is a scene when the sword sealing is successful which should be followed by Li Chen Lan loses consciousness, hence the bed scene. And about how the scene jump from discussion for sword sealing and Zhao Yao in white clothes, I know it is illogical but I try to use imagination: Perhaps the sealing made Li Chen Lan some kind of vanishing or "sleeping" dunno where for a couple of years. Therefore, Zhao Yao is waiting for him ...... I cannot imagine anything else to explain that scene jump. Anyway, I also quite sure that we should have a scene that make Zhao Yao "sure" that Li Chen Lan will come back somehow. It doesn't make sense for her to wait that long without any hope. Li Chen Lan tried to take his own life when Zhao Yao dead, but failed because Wan Jun sword didn't let him. He then slaved himself to bettering Wan Lu Men until the point of mental exhaustion. Zhao Yao, armed with the knowledge regarding Liu He sword, with her personality, would not be able to wandering around like she is doing in the drama, if she is that sure Li Chen Lan is dead. She would be either become kind of hermit or doing something in memory of her lover. By the way, anyone know where the Chinese posts their fanfiction? I need fanfic to sooth my pained heart ....
  6. Okay, just done watching. And I think I know which scene that is supposed to be in the original end (the open sad ending thing). Yes, I too hope that they do not use the "kids scene" but perhaps they included that to show us that both of them indeed get married. Now lets me talking about the drama in overall: 1. The acting is very good. Xu Kai surprises me. His interpretation for both Mo Qing and Li Chen Lan drew me to this drama until I feel so much pain for the character. Plus, he has this body build and face that are so fitted for costume drama (in my honest opinion). Not all male can look that good with long hair and that flowy costumes. Bai Lu acting satisfies me. I have my worry whether she can tackle the devastating scenes after she killed Li Chen Lan (no comment regarding her Zhao Yao interpretation. It is perfect). But she emotes very well. Her scenes in that white mourning clothes when she waits for Li Chen Lan are very good. I can feel her pain, how she literally just goes on living without any goal but waiting for Li Chen Lan. Her expression in the tea shop while she tells people of her lover is so ...... All her smile is tinted with sadness, a kind of smile while holding a great pain inside. Surprisingly, I think all side character is acted well in this drama which makes us able to really enjoy all drama scenes without cringing. Gu Han Guang character especially is so well acted. I really wish the novel author will write something about Li Chen Lan - Sima Rong and Li Chen Lan - Gu Han Guang relationships. Actually, I wish the drama could make these for filler. It would be far more interesting. Conclusion is I am very very satisfied with the acting of this drama. Never I cringe when watching some scene. 2. Story I am actually have no complain regarding the change from the novel even though I indeed wish a couple of arc can be done differently. The drama lets us explore Li Chen Lan side of story and I love that very much. Jiang Wu arc is the only thing that annoyed me the most. But I can forgive that. The decision for sad open ending actually quite okay (once I have watched until the end). Li Chen Lan life is so full of pain and grieve. If "death" can grant him peace however temporary it is, I am okay with that. And after Jiang Wu fiasco, I do think that Zhao Yao needs to a moment to ponder how it feels to lose Li Chen Lan anyway. I imagine when two of them reunited, Zhao Yao would be very fiercely protective of him, perhaps would not letting him out of her view for a few years . 3. Costume Love the costume so much!! One thing that I think is the candy/eye-feast in this drama is watching Xu Kai in those Li Chen Lan get ups. I dunno whether it is the characters wardrobes that are so good or because he wears it that they look so good. 4. Editing The worst ever I have ever seen. But I think I can forgive them since it seems the editors were forced doing this abomination. @DontEatMyKimchi Hahahahaha, honestly I am waiting for you to show up again in this thread after the final episode. Since I know you were so enraged already with Jiang Wu arc, I cannot imagine how would it be with this messy editing and ending. I also wait for the DVD version, hopefully we can get more scenes to complete the puzzle. @frostflower14 As I take it, they make that scene of Zhao Yao killing Li Chen Lan as only a "dream". Of "what if" if Li Chen Lan cannot come back to her in that scene after Luo Ming Xuan death. I should say that very genius and creative way to turn a BE into HE.
  7. Yes, it is. If that clip is really the ending, I will crying blood instead of being happy
  8. This turns out to be correct. I have watched clip fom weibo regarding tonight ending (I don't know how to upload weibo link here. I have done once before but forget how ....). The drama is indeed have happy ending, but I am sure nobody will be happy with it. It is so sad to see a good drama degenerate to this because of censorship. I kind of hope that the backlash from netizen because of this drama will also reach censorship department. That way they will know that there should be a limit for everything. I believe fans with video editing skills will soon release the fanmade video contains episode 51-55 in correct order. No one will be able to stand the editing of this week episodes. If anyone ever find those videos, please share with us here. I will too, if I find them first. I originally want to post here my take on what in Wan Jun sword mind throughout the drama in a "mother hen turns to lover" way. But those abomination of clips happens and I am too angry right now to be creative enough @bluehibiscus I hope that you are correct that part of this mess is Hunan Tv. I also hope that the DVD version will be different. Just give me good edited episodes please. I am fine with whatever sad ending. We can always go to novel or fanfiction to sooth ourselves but this bad editing ....
  9. In this current situation, I will take BE instead of this mumble jumble scenes Never before in my life I have watched such bad editing from a drama. The problem is the drama itself is so good, therefore, it is more bitter to swallow. I think the editors had been in a drunken party and they were in severe hangover when they tried to finish the editing for episode 51-55. I hate that the bed scene that I have been waiting so much for turns up this way; feels so cheap with no build up whatsoever. I believe anybody who watched the final week episodes could tell that lots of scene is not in continuation. It is like we are given drama scenes puzzle instead of a real drama. PS: Wan Jun Sword really acts like possessive lover, doesn't it?? At the beginning, I always see the sword akin to mother hen who protects its Lord but in the latter half, it turns out to be possessive lover after all
  10. Anyone, like me, confused with how they edited last night episodes? Episode 51 still okay for 3/4 part, but in the end there is a Li Chen Lan scene that I believe, have been cropped out from early section of the drama because the hairdo is different. Episode 52 is even worse. The library scene just cut out and continued in the last part of the episode. Anyone watching other version, would you please enlightened me on how exactly the order of scene of last night episodes??
  11. Okay, I know I am so late to the party. Already had in mind to watch this (as soon as it reaches the Ming Cult vs 6 sects arc), but then I got taken away to another drama and that drama took out all my attention until by accident I watch this MV about Yang Xiao and Ji Xiao Fu. ......... I think everybody can guess what had happened to me then ..... I am literally grow up watching Jin Yong drama, have watched lots of version of the trilogy. And I have never felt that Yang Xiao character is that interesting. For me he is just the powerful side character. No more no less. All I interested in this last trilogy is always about Wuji and Zhao Min relationship. So when I watched that MV, I just ....Who is this?? Yang Xiao?? How could that character become like this? The Yang Xiao in this version is very cool! All his mannerism just exude some kind of charisma. Everytime he shown up in the screen, he always draws my eyes. Such a screen presence. Hope Lin Yushen will play in another costume drama. His Yang Xiao interpretation is a breath of fresh air. I have read your discussion regarding Wu Ji - Zhao Min in this version, here. I am agree that in this version, their love is more fleshed out. ZZR has her chance but I think she has started to lose that ever since she stabbed Wu Ji in Guang Ming peak (such a good disciple ). That scene just showed that she was too restrained by her master up to the point that she could not say "no" even though she knew that the order was wrong. One of the poster here said that ZZR after her master death is like a child in a candy shop. I completely agree with that statement.
  12. I doubt this will happen if they follow the novel world background. I really like how Zhao Yao is depicted in that part of the novel. It is a very apt representation of her words to Li Chen Lan in the drama: I will never abandon you again, even the world is destroyed. @Alila Nguyen I noticed that lots of dissatisfaction were start popping out in Jiang Wu arc (I started following the post in weibo around episode 35-36, so I don't know whether there were lots of dissatisfaction in the previous arcs). Lots of the complain were regarding Zhao Yao characterization in that arc and Li Chen Lan weakened power. Right now, after Jiang Wu gone, the comments are mainly about the worry regarding the ending. I suspect majority of viewers in China are familiar with the novel, thus their dissatisfaction is louder when the change in the drama deviate too much from the novel. About the spin off, I don't understand why they choose to follow the story of Liu Chang Lin. Is this character that popular in China??
  13. Just finished watching episode 49-50. Yesterday, I was just following through weibo forum; what I have seen made my heart hurt. I get that the writer seems want to redeem Jiang Wu character by his noble sacrifice in saving Zhao Yao and getting killed by Luo Ming Xuan in return. However, he has annoyed me too much in the previous episodes so I cannot really sympathize his death. His character is of a child, his mind worked differently from normal person. He claimed to love Zhao Yao but what he did was ones that would make Zhao Yao sad (hurt Li Chen Lan, kill Wan Lu Men disciples, etc). Looking at his background as xin mo, this characteristic is understandable. I even can see myself liking this kind of character if only I am not already far too attached to the male lead (I am a person who often love antagonist character than the protagonist). Xu Kai interpretation of Li Chen Lan has drawn me, my heart get pained everytime I see him in distress. I don't have heart left to care for Jiang Wu however interesting his character is. Moreover, Zhao Yao reaction when seeing Li Chen Lan (after his supposed sealed state) made me cold. She didn't ask for Li Chen Lan well being, but instead telling him about Jiang Wu sad fate. Sigh ..... With this attitude, if someone watching this and does not know the history of Zhao Yao-Li Chen Lan, they will definitely say: This woman has an affair with another man. She loves both of them and now one of them is dead. I know the words are kind of harsh. But the drama makes Zhao Yao too attached to Jiang Wu until some point I get the feel that Zhao Yao actually attracted to Jiang Wu (not love yet but attracted yes). Please this is not rom com drama which the female lead is distressed in choosing either first or second male lead. Even though based on personality, Jiang Wu is matched with Zhao Yao, she already gave her heart to Li Chen Lan. There should be a priority list inside her heart with Li Chen Lan being on top. Okay, I shall stop my comment regarding Jiang Wu and Zhao Yao. Lets talk about Li Chen Lan. At this point of time, it is so distressing that no one that is able to really comfort him. His expression after he killed the bird ..... It is too painful to watch. He internalized all his pain within himself, never let anyone know (including Zhao Yao) the real extend of his distress. I don't know whether he really doing this for the sake of not worrying others or it is a kind of habit caused by his life experience. He has this inferiority complex which I think kind of making him tend to give but so afraid to take. I believe the drama makes Li Chen Lan human with xin mo, not pure xin mo like in the novel. In the flash back with the father, the Demon King literally claimed Li Chen Lan as his son. Therefore, I hope this fact play crucial moment that can let Li Chen Lan back to life. Open ending is fine as long as there is enough hint to let us know our couple will be together.
  14. Well, not for the rest of her life. But pretty sure I want her to "wait" for a couple of years at the very least. And I also want her to know about whoever take away Liu He sword will die by that sword. Knowing that truth, combining with the fact that she is the one that person that wield Liu He sword to kill Li Chen Lan will make the devastated feeling more poignant. Because she is the one that drives Li Chen Lan to his death from the very beginning. We need to remember that Li Chen Lan would never touch Liu He sword if not for Zhao Yao asked for it.
  15. We don't know whether we will have bad or happy ending. One thing is sure that he will let himself getting killed by Zhao Yao; whether he can comeback to live or not ..... I don't think I ever remember Li Chen Lan says that to Zhao Yao? Could you tell me where do you get this? And I think Li Chen Lan body will never be found. In the battle scene, we are shown that he fells to an abyss. If not, with Zhao Yao still very much lucid after killing him, she will the first one that searching for his body. Actually, I want to see a desperate Zhao Yao tries the impossible (try to look for Li Chen Lan body). By all means, please write a fanfiction regardless of the ending
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