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7 hours ago, Li22.55 said:
WHY the tattoo on Soobin's stomach initialled as JD as in Jong Doo?? WHY not JH as in Ji Hoon or better yet just anyone but JD please (not when i just so confidently wrote few days ago, that it's just absurd when there're comment saying that NJD could be the father.. oh i need air please).. wew, what do you all think?
See my notes below. I think SB is NJD’s illegitimate child. I don’t think she had a one night stand with him. That’s my guess anyway. She doesn’t have any resentment towards KHJ but her resentment is directed towards YS.
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KiYoung - husband of richest family in YongSan. Met wife at high school reunion (so they were high school mates but only in senior years). Married for 5 yrs. His wife left for Canada after 2 years of marriage leaving him with his MIL (Lee YooSin) who treats him like a nobody. Wife gave him money to open the driving range. Manages all MIL’s properties but she doesn’t trust him. He’s reached the end of his tether and wants out of their family. He sees KHJ’s pic on the JH’s funeral article and he remembers her. Looks like he had a crush on her in high school.
SeungHee - uneasy relationship with husband KiYoung. Mother trusts her only. Ran away to Canada for 3 years. Hidden resentment towards her mom for favouring her dead brother over her. She sees KHJ on TV mourning for JH and calls her Kim JaeEun. KHJ must’ve changed her name. She was KJE in YongSan. She hid this from NJD because she first introduced herself to him as KHJ. And he had said her name was pretty.
Lee YooSin - sister-in-law of Assemblyman Kang SoonHong. She still idolises her deceased son Jin SeungHo and mourns for him. He was admitted to Law School 2003 but died before he started. Completely obsessed with her son. Has no room in her heart for her daughter at all.
SooBin - we’re not sure if baby is hers. She seems to idolise NJD. He won’t even acknowledge her despite agreeing to wife to be nicer to her. Lipstick was dropped in van when she was manhandled by Male Secretary. Seemed annoyed when KHJ wanted to buy one for YS (as an excuse). She has JD as a tattoo on her midriff. Does she want YS’s spot in the family? Could she possibly be NJD’s illegitimate child?
Male Secretary (WooJae) - definitely sinister. Suggested to SooBin that she should just die. Did he do the same to JH? Pointing out to him that he was a liability to his father’s political aspirations? Even had the gall to ask NJD if he had to choose between his wife or his dream of making the world a better place (Trolley moment again) what would he choose? NJD believes he can have both.
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1 hour ago, willenette said:
I admire SJK who's not afraid to be seen dating. He didn't hide it. And she is confident walking beside him, too.
I think it was great that he announced it. It shows he respects his fans as well. The last thing you want as a fan is to find out through a sleazy tabloid that your bias is dating (and he only opts to reveal it after being “busted”). I just hope his fans return that respect by giving him (and her) space to explore their relationship away from the limelight. I wish him (and her) happiness. -
35 minutes ago, dogstar said:
Could she be the daughter of the guy who died because of KHJ?
Possible. But it looks like the guy died pretty young. High school? So it’s unlikely that he would’ve had a daughter unless it’s out of wedlock.
35 minutes ago, dogstar said:The brother of her high school classmate died because of her (The mother yelled at her at the funderal)
I am guessing the lady that recently returned from overseas is this classmate.
35 minutes ago, dogstar said:I wonder how SooBin links to this event. I do not believe that she is carring Jihoon's baby since she has been lying (about her cell phone). She could have lied about the baby. She seems to know KHJ very well. I do not think she learned those things from Jihoon (I bet Jihoon hardly mentioned his family to friends) and I think she investigated KHJ before.
This is very likely. She seems so eager to always say, “JH told me.” to verify why she knew all these intimate details of KHJ. If she didn’t find those details out from JH how did she find out? Why was JH in prison? I can’t remember. Was he mixing with the wrong crowd when he got in trouble? A gang? And they contacted him once he got out? If he wasn’t a drug user then was he a drug mule? Picked it up for someone else? SooBin seems to be afraid of the guy she saw on the streets. Was he part of a gang? I feel like she may have been mixed up with the same lot of people that JH was and she fled to his place when she got in trouble. And she now wants to stay with KHJ because she needs their protection.
The Nam family seemed to be a happy one and then something changed. The photo of JH’s graduation from middle school was a happy one. He seemed happy enough as a child. The card he made his parents when he was a child showed that he was well adjusted and felt loved. So he must’ve ended up with the wrong crowd after middle school and his life spiralled out of control.
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Still intriguing. What we learn
- the Trolley dilemma is introduced. For NJD, the Trolley dilemma is playing out real time. As a politician, he has power to enact change on a macro level. So calling for a fairer justice system and a retrial of the rape case meant NJD pulled the lever. He potentially saved future victims from suffering the same fate by bringing the issue to the fore, but in doing so, the Medical student took his own life as a result. 1 person died.- NJD and KHJ are both kind hearted altruistic souls. They obviously love each other very much. There’s a respect and trust there that is praiseworthy.
- KHJ’s past seems to be catching up with her. How much of her past did she reveal to NJD? How far back did she go? She seemed to have caused the death of the son of the lady at the end whose daughter returned after 3 years. She seems to still be holding onto that “grudge”. I get the feeling it was a similar scenario to what happened to NJD with the Med student. KHJ never intended for it to happen but her decisions pushed the male student over the edge (her Trolley moment). That’s why KHJ looked ill (and had the flashbacks) when the old lady at the oil shop rejoiced at the death of the medical student who caused the death of her granddaughter.
- male secretary of NJD is very protective of him and also very street smart.
- gf is still a question mark. She seemed scared when she saw a guy on the street? Who was meeting up with another girl? Why? Did she recognize him? I get the feeling the baby is not JH’s. She’s spun a very convincing story though. Did she need protection from the guy she saw on the street? Is that why she decided to hide out and lay low in the Nam household?
- phone is probably not JH’s. Otherwise her use of it would’ve triggered the police.
- I am a bit confused about young NJD. He was staying with Halmoni (home stay maybe?). Was he studying? Halmoni asked if he was married but he didn’t reply. All he said was that he had a child. I am guessing the child stayed with the mother then because there was sign of the child? Were they married? Surely not? Because he was not behaving like a married man towards young KHJ. He was behaving like a single man.-
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4 hours ago, willenette said:
I'm happy for him! I hope this time he finds the right one.
I am happy for him too. Being a non celebrity and someone outside of Korea means she’s shielded by and large from the intense media scrutiny. Some are surprised that he announced it just like that but it seems that’s just how he is. He probably didn’t want Dispatch to have that honor with the New Year couple reveal looming large. His friend KwangSoo did the same. That way, he’s in control. He’s not hiding it or shying away from reality. I wish them all the best.
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13 minutes ago, CarolynH said:
The son that died is the child of the assemblyman and another woman, right? The daughter supposedly is KHJ and the assemblyman.
Affirmative.
13 minutes ago, CarolynH said:The preg gf and Ji Hoon weren't the only ones in his apt! Maybe she had sex with some other guy!
Plausible.
34 minutes ago, Li22.55 said:some comment there're question like this as well , saying that NJD
get the money from his wife).
I was of the impression KHJ had no money. She came to Seoul with nothing. Like the gf of JH. If she had family she would’ve asked them for help when YS was born instead of asking that auntie to come and live with them. Unless she’s estranged from them because she was pregnant out of wedlock and they had a falling out? NJD’s mother died around the time when YS was born and KHJ needed help with the baby, that’s why she invited the auntie (from the restaurant) to help her out then. This auntie moved in with the family to help raise YS. That’s what I seem to have gathered from the conversations so far.
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@jongski I think some of us covered the questions you raised above. The fact that KHJ would even ask the question to NJD about the paternity of their daughter seems to imply there could possibly have been another male involved somehow? Either they weren’t already married yet or she had somehow been forced upon by someone else (she asked the gf if JH had forced her? It seems like a strange thing to ask someone because it incriminates JH).
A high school pregnancy would be a scandal. Especially if it’s out of wedlock. That’s probably why KHJ behaves like she does with the gf - she sees her own teenage self in the girl and that’s why she’s bending over backwards to help her out (and believes her story). With all the bottles of Soju in the apartment I am guessing it was a drunken one night stand. Gf didn’t seem particularly distraught over JH’s death? She did seem to tear up a bit when asking if she could visit him at the columbarium/gravesite but the way she spun the story she seemed distant. It’s like she was a friend who called on JH one night because she was down and out, they had too much to drink and they had relations. Even when she was put in JH’s room by herself you would expect that if she were really head over heels in love with him that she would break down then with memories of their short time together? But she didn’t seem overly interested at all? She’s definitely shifty. Not sure what her motives are.-
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3 hours ago, CarolynH said:
Could they put her up in a hotel or the dead son's apartment?
That was my first thought too. Why did she agree to just put her up in the house when there was a perfectly good apartment (with nobody staying in it and which they were already paying rent for) for her to live in? I have no answers. KHJ seems gullible but I was surprised that her husband or his male aide didn’t think to do that? Since they seemed to distrust her? KHJ and NJD wouldn’t have even needed to budge. The male aide could’ve organized it that night? Why would the gf insist on staying in the house when she knew JH had the apartment? She raises all the red flags for me.-
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3 hours ago, Li22.55 said:
Finally, about the med boy suicide action, i need to rewatched to see whether NJD mentioned the boy's name during his speech on the news. Unless the subtitle is incorrect, i didn't find NJD saying the med boy's name. Because, some comment (i know i should limit myself not to read much comment) said that NJD shouldn't made it public because in the law you're not guilty unless proven.. i'm relief because NJD merely mentioned the case not the boy's name, if there's need to blame, its on the media side. Although NJD is the trigger
I don’t think NJD mentioned the boy’s name but I don’t think it would be hard to find out who he was because the case was tried in court publicly and he wasn’t punished. I think the Medical student wrote a suicide note and left it on his desk. On it he wrote “Murderer Nam JongDo”
So he blamed NJD for pushing him to suicide. The media will pounce on this as will his parents.
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There're also some comment that JH's dead might be done by either NJH or KHJ, the reason is to eliminate anything that would intrude on NJD political career. (I don't want to believe it as well
That’s why I am suspicious of his male secretary. I don’t think NJD or KHJ would eliminate their own son but the male secretary might.-
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7 hours ago, Li22.55 said:
Would NJD able to harm others' life to get anything he wanted ? Would he loved his wife fully and unconditionally and sacrifice everything to protect her?
I am wondering this too. I am suspicious of his male secretary. He’s meticulous and cleans up after himself (the cigarette butt) and NJD (driving him home after he drinks too much whilst entertaining potential voters). And he saw through the gf immediately as everyone was having a meltdown in the living room. He was very calm as he witnessed all the accusations flying round. After YS had her go and was escorted out of the room. He spoke directly to the gf and laid out the facts. Did you notice she just shut up after that? In fact he took control of the whole room and de-escalated the situation. The gf no longer felt cornered or felt the need to retaliate. She just backed right down. How far would he go to ensure a smooth road for his “boss” to the Blue House?
I get the feeling the phone the gf has is JH’s real phone. The one that had its last known location 4.5km upstream from where his body was found. It was turned off (according to the police). The phone that gf had had no battery. She started to charge it when she got to her room. If it is JH’s phone, then chances are the Police will be able to track it now that she’s charged it up. We will see if that’s the case.
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26 minutes ago, Li22.55 said:
Also, NJD said that khj is the only he trust, right? Why?
I think he really loves her and she him. When you love someone, you trust them. Politics is a dirty game and even his team members and secretary may not be completely trustworthy. He has no other family other than her (his mom passed away). KHJ is the only person he thinks will always want what’s best for him and someone he believes will never betray him. I think KHJ will hit moral dilemmas as the drama unfolds. As the title Trolley suggests. I think she will have to come to decisions which could potentially destroy him politically for the sake of saving others. That’s a guess on my part.
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i wonder why i can't use emoji here?
@Li22.55 I think because you’re new to the forums. Once you get past a certain number of posts I think you get full access to what the platform offers. @backstreetboysfan can confirm this.
No I don’t think NJD raped his wife but I think someone else may have. That’s why she asked him how he can be sure he’s the father. You don’t ask those sorts of questions to your husband unless there’s another man that could potentially have fathered the child. So potentially she was bedded by 2 men when she discovered she was pregnant. NJD obviously decided to marry her so he just decided to shut that idea out of his mind. This is in keeping with his “noble” character. He loved her and he still does. So he was willing to overlook it and never questioned the paternity of the child she bore in their marriage. Yes the idea that she could’ve been the “third party” in his first marriage did cross my mind. Maybe that’s where this is going. So potentially there could be 2 scenarios
1. KHJ was the third party (mistress) in the first marriage of NJD. She showed up pregnant and told him about it. He trusted that she was speaking the truth when she said the baby was his. I don’t know how the first wife reacted. Either first wife died or she decided to leave him (and left JH in his care).
2. KHJ wasn’t the third party and she was raped whilst she was already in a relationship with NJD. The reason why this scenario is a possibility is because she asked the gf if she was forced upon by JH. And she was wringing her hands when she asked this. I don’t know if it’s because she felt guilty thinking badly of JH (she already felt guilty for his death) or if she’s speaking from experience.
As for the lady to lives with them, she’s a mystery too. She was around to help KHJ with baby YeonSo when her mother-in-law died suddenly and that was how she ended up living with them. I guess she’s like YeonSo’s nanny or KHJ’s live in help when YS was young. She probably needed someone around to help her because her husband left all the housekeeping and child raising duties to her.
I think we need to pay attention to the opening credits. Because already they’ve used “accident” in Ep2 to explain what happened with the series of unfortunate events leading up to the death of the medical student.-
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1 hour ago, Li22.55 said:
@nrlleewow u are very detailed even though it's only from the 1st eps.. and through last night 2nd eps, some of your note is further untold.. eps 2 i think is also a wow wow for me.. and now the long waiting begin for each week until next yr LOL.. and about the girlfriend she was lying about her phone and her attitude just made me want to strangle her just like yoonseo (but again only KHJ seemed to have pity on her, she's very softhearted?) And then what caught offguard KHJ question to her husband "how do you know yoonseo is yours" omg.. something is fishy about the 1st wife ? The finale eps 2 then the big dilemma is starting .. really enjoying this drama here
Yes to ep2. Do you trust the gf? Why would she hide the phone from them? Showing them the phone and pics of her and JH would validate her statement? Unless she has no photos of JH? I get the feeling the baby may not be his. And she’s capitalized on the events. Problem is, when the baby is born, a simple DNA test would be able to rule that in or out. She’s skating on thin ice if she’s lying about the father of the baby. I was wondering about KHJ’s question as well. Was she in a relationship with NJD and she was raped? Which is why she posed that question because the father of YS is in question? I am still unsure about NJD. Do we trust him? He sounds too good to be true? So far he’s not put a foot wrong. He is rational and level headed in times of great pressure. He is showing all the hallmarks of a great leader. But that one scene with the Assembly Woman Boss where he hinted at his ambition gives me pause. He had a glint in his eye that made me wonder how far he would go to achieve his goal. He’s capitalized on the scenarios thrown at him so far. Not unlike the gf.
Is the first wife really dead? Or is it a lie they spun to make life easier?
Other things we find out and things that popped out for me
- KHJ is an orphan? Probably why she took the gf in. Because her story matched hers. Is it too much of a coincidence though? The gf is just giving me all the red flags. She doesn’t behave like someone who is cornered and unsure about what to do? She fights back and doesn’t seem to care about the baby? She was nonchalant about aborting it? Her relationship with JH is also questionable. They’ve only been together for 2 weeks max.
- JH did not take drugs (not yet anyway). Even his gf was shocked about the drugs. She didn’t believe he would do that. He was seen to buy the drugs/pick it up. But no drugs were in his system. He didn’t seem drunk when he went to pick up the drugs at a restroom by the Han River. He was wearing the red jacket. There’s a timestamp on the CCTV vision we are given20220822 01:10. Did he go to drink at Gangnam after the drug pick up? He was seen to be drinking heavily a few hours prior to his death? It’s a bit strange to pick the drugs up by the Han River, then go to Gangnam and drink and then return to the Han River where he’s purported to have slipped and drowned? There was a lot of alcohol in his system according to the autopsy report so he was definitely inebriated. His real phone was last used 4.5km upstream from his body and is turned off. It’s not on him? Why? Is the phone that the gf has on her his? Or hers? JH’s death raises a lot of red flags for me. It seems rather convenient? Was it really an accident?
- NJD’s male secretary. He is meticulous. Makes sure he doesn’t even show up on CCTV to be littering (his cigarette butt). He is also extremely loyal to NJD and seems willing to do anything for the sake of the campaign? He knows the lay of the land and spins stories to benefit their campaign. How far would he go?
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Loved the first ep.
Questions raised
- Kim HyeJoo was from a small town Chung Cheong? She doesn’t like to be reminded she’s from there. The auntie that stays with her says she had a rough childhood. Is that really the reason? Does she have a secret to hide? Is this why she wants to keep a low profile? And hide her identity as an Assembly man’s wife? She didn’t even want to sign her name in the guest book at the old lady’s grand-daughter’s funeral? This old lady has her shop near Taeyang Apartments. Taeyang is mentioned a few times this ep so it’s likely to play a part in the plot line somehow. NJD had to go to Taeyang Shopping Centre’s leader’s mother in law’s funeral wake. And this leader showed up at JiHoon’s wake as well.
- 22yo son who died (this was a plot twist.
The audience was led to believe it was her missing daughter who was the body in the bag) was the son of Nam JongDo’s first wife (who is deceased). Did KHJ come into the picture after the death or was she a third party (his mistress) whilst the first wife was still alive?
Things of note- when Nam JongDo is introduced, he was rallying against illegal real estate speculation by National Assembly members (who have an unfair advantage compared to normal citizens, they can make a lot of money on the side because they have insider info about developments). I think this is probably going to be important as the story unfolds.
- NJD’s employees mention that he only had a mother who has passed away and no other family members (no siblings). They were relieved that he didn’t have family members who could cause scandals and ruin his chances for election. I am not sure why they didn’t mention JiHoon? He caused a scandal in the previous election?
- Nam JongDo is ambitious. He doesn’t just want to stay where he is. He has his sights set on the Blue House. With these ambitions, any “scandal” within the family could potentially derail his route to the top job. His son JiHoon had already caused problems for him in the last election. He was recently released from prison and seems to be falling back into his wayward ways again. This scandal is a blow again for NJD. It’s reported in the news about the drugs and burner phone found in JiHoon’s possession.
- KHJ is altruistic. She worked part time as a social worker and it’s easy to see that she has a kind heart.
- pregnant girlfriend of JiHoon? JiHoon was released from prison only 15days ago? And she shows up at the door of the house 2 weeks after his death. If she’s pregnant, she’s very early pregnant. She’s another “scandal” waiting to break and will be viewed as an impediment to NJD’s political aspirations.
- the drama presents us with an ethical question with the “Trolley problem” (source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem)The most basic version of the dilemma, known as "Bystander at the Switch" or "Switch", goes:
There is a runaway troller barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. However, you notice that there is one person on the side track. You have two (and only two) options:
- Do nothing, in which case the trolley will kill the five people on the main track.
- Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.
Which is the more ethical option? Or, more simply: What is the right thing to do?
If that is the premise of the drama, I imagine our lead characters would be faced with conundrums as the drama unfolds with difficult ethical decisions to make.
I like how seamlessly we are provided all these bits of information as the story unfolds.
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1 hour ago, partyon said:
Nooooooo........... Not a season 2.....
I feel you.
Seeing they timed it for a 2024 release does that mean KTO won’t be in it? He’s enlisting soon and probably won’t be available for filming. So we get something like Yumi’s Cells? Different ML next time? Cliffhanger ending? -
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18 hours ago, maribella said:
No season 2 or part 2 or remakes for me.
Yeah I agree. I am wondering why the writer added so many sub plots right at the end? Attorney Jung didn’t need to have stomach cancer. What was the whole stalker story for? That sort of went nowhere? It was very odd. SY didn’t have to fall for MW. Jeju Island getaway seemed…too idyllic for a high flying law firm…especially when they are supposed to be working on a case. And the whole Hanbada Vs TaeSun show down just hasn’t had enough build up? If writer is going to wrap all these loose ends (and bring OTP together again in the end), it just seems trite? I am ready to say goodbye to WYW and the gang after the finale.-
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42 minutes ago, minglanfan2 said:
TaeSu Mi gave birth to her son abroad.Did she want to hide the fact from her near and dear ones of having being a mother before.Or in typical k drama fashion she was a step mom and the overseas trip was to hide this fact.
Hmm…my first thought was that she wanted to give her son a different passport. So he gets the option of escaping mandatory National service because he’s not a Korean National. This would be frowned upon if she’s trying to get into politics to take up a ministerial post. It would be deemed unpatriotic.-
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2 hours ago, SJW said:
in these eps, youngwoo's dad and junho's sister stress the point of finding someone who can bring happiness and can provide for care. if everyone just wants to be the receiver of happiness and to be taken care of in a relationship, then where are the givers of love and care?
True. But they have a point. YW’s relationship with JH will always be very much one-sided. Yes she can “learn” to adapt and attempt to meet his needs but it’s like an afterthought? Notice how she is with SY. Despite SY saying she didn’t want to hear anymore about dolphins, YW couldn’t stop herself. Autistic people find it very hard to figure out context. So when chef and her friend told her how she should behave in front of JH’s family, she followed through verbatim with zero context which made the conversations weird. SY has mentioned to JH that he really needs to think hard before embarking on a relationship with YW. Because as YW’s friend through law school, she knew what was involved. She mentioned how YW kept going on about topics that interested her in the face of SY being upset about a failed test (?). Again it’s a context thing. Neurotypical people would be able to gauge that our friend is upset and ask her what is wrong instead of just blabbing on about ourselves/interests. Being YW’s friend is a lonely endeavour. It’s not a give and take. It’s giving the bulk of the time. Thus far, JH hasn’t had much “trouble” in his life (this is very unrealistic). He hasn’t needed to rely on his gf to talk through things. He’s always been the person giving. This is lovely but again totally unrealistic in a real life situation. If he wants to continue in a relationship with YW, he will pretty much resign himself to being very “alone” in his struggles or he would likely have to find a mate to unburden himself in future. Currently JH is still very much in that “honeymoon” phase in the relationship. If he plans to go into it seriously he really needs to have a man to man talk (many of them) with the person who knows YW best and understands what life with her would be like - her dad. It’s not impossible. Her dad learnt to live with her. But JH needs to get into it with his head and not just his heart.
EDIT - just watched Ep14 and writer has explored the loneliness aspect of a relationship with someone with autism. She’s paralleled it neurotypical relationship of Jung and his ex wife. And highlighted a distinct difference. At least with Jung and his ex you can see that he knows when it (excluding his wife) happens. Contrast this with YW when she talked about breaking up and then went on a tangent about the court case. She reverts instinctively back to her insular world, leaving him in a lurch. She probably didn’t understand fully why he was yelling at her either. This is the reality that you have to learn to deal with when you’re in a relationship with someone with autism. You will have to learn to accept being misunderstood all the time. It’s a very lonely existence.
As for SY and MW. I think in part SY herself had prejudices from the start about MW. She expected him to behave like a jerk all the time. She never gave him the benefit of the doubt. Or entertain the fact that people can change. He may be cutthroat/driven at work but he seems to let his guard down when he’s off work.
2 more eps. I think it’s enough for me. I am not looking for a S2. I looked for a S2 in Move To Heaven. That’s another great show with an autistic lead.
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First kiss
Corridor of his apartment.
YW walked JH home.
In the dark.
No witnesses.
Second kiss
Alley of her home.
JH walked YW home.
In the light.
Dad witnessed it.
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3 hours ago, realistic2280a said:
2. Yes, i do agree that such scenario could have happened, ie WYW wanted to walk JH back to his home as what he did to her previously.... (and he should had met her father while he is at it.... where is that scene???, haha)... but yes, inviting her into the house is only manners but it can lead to anything...
I know this scene would’ve raised some eyebrows but I think given the context where WYW is getting dating advice from her friends (and presumably what she’s seen on on TV etc), she really just takes it at face value. So we have seen her execute all the gestures - opening car doors, helping a person into their seat, walking on the side next to the road - all of which we would’ve expected the guy to do but she doesn’t know this, she just does it because the chef told her that’s what you do when you like someone. This is how autistic people process information, you have to be VERY specific, they will just take it as face value and follow through with it. It’s actually nice to see this subverted by the writer. So we see how confused JunHo is as a result.
. Given this background, that YW has no sense of societal norms, when JunHo said walking her home was what he would do, she assumed that she should do the same. I am glad she told him she was tired and didn’t go into his apartment unaccompanied. Again she would NOT have anticipated any danger or problem with that UNLESS she is taught that it’s not something she should be doing as a single female. It’s VERY hard for autistic people to navigate relationships because so much of it is unsaid or expected. It takes a great deal of patience (to explain things) and it’s often downright frustrating because they will not get social cues. You have to tell them to limit their talk about whales to certain times. They will not get that some people just have zero interest in what they are talking about. They won’t know you’re upset with them unless you actually tell them you are. They don’t like looking at faces because it’s confusing. How can someone be angry but still be smiling? All these things we just pick up because we read social cues eg the change in a person’s demeanor, their voice changes etc, autistic people just don’t pick these things up. Relationships are a minefield for them.
9 hours ago, namedx said:I like how the writers didn’t provide a clear cut answer to the above. They don’t force feed us judgements on morality and ethics, rather they leave it to us as viewers to partake in our own assumption making, whether that be a result of personal bias, existing prejudices or real life experiences. While navigating these issues, we automatically find ourselves aligning with characters who best reflect our own perceptions of reality as defined within the context of drama. It’s why I’m not wholly against characters like KMW or JH’s friends, because whilst they play the role of an antagonist really well, they also represent the dogmatic tendencies of mainstream thinking.
Nicely put. Yes I think the writers are just putting the question out there, fostering discussions by highlighting issues so that the audience has to come to their own conclusions about issues. Although I wasn’t comfortable with how the writer tried to put forward the issue of cram schools with her Pied Piper example. There were so many lines crossed there (child safety, stranger danger etc) that it detracted from her message. Again in ep10, the issue about love for an intellectually disabled person was muddied because of the guy’s history. As a mother I would NOT have trusted the guy who seemed predatory in that he did the exact same thing with another girl in another facility? I am not sure why the writer decides to embellish the story with these blights on the man’s character when the whole issue didn’t have to be thus complicated. The issue about consent by someone who is intellectually disabled is enough of a conundrum in itself and it would’ve been better discussed without the audience wondering if the guy had ill intent or not.
As an aside, for anyone who wants to see how real autistic people actually function in the dating world, take a look at “Love on the spectrum” (Netflix). It’s educational and eye opening. Very well done.
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Ahh, this kiss was executed beautifully. And framed so well right at the end. The silhouettes with the city skyline. In a world of their own.
Can we just clone JunHo? Sigh… Kang TaeOh why do you have to enlist like so soon? At least you’re going on hiatus with a bang. Well deserved.
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8 hours ago, SJW said:
nrlleeceo han doesnt have a humbling background. she inherits the law firm from her dad as well. when minwoo started cooking this of neopotism on youngwoo, suyeon told him that he should start off with han, go questioning about her qualification as she inherits the law firm. feel that the rivalry between han and tae is more of a jealousy from han. per the unreleased clip, it looks a romantic interest in the past was one of the reasons of conflicts.
Thanks for clarifying that. You’re probably right about romantic interest in the past.
Where does one watch these extra clips? I don’t see them on Netflix. I realized there was one of YW opening up the gift that JunHo gave her when it just popped up in my YouTube feed. That was actually really nice to find out what it was. I was wondering what it was because she said she threw it away in the episode.
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On 7/22/2022 at 11:56 AM, frozentundra said:
NOW I know where I have seen Minwoo before. He was last seen as a gym trainer with a peculiar thirst in Happiness....!!
Thanks for reminding me!
42 minutes ago, K-dramafan22 said:That part kinda baffled me why he had to stop himself from practising law and be a gimbap chef?
I think he said he wouldn’t take the bar. Which essentially means he won’t be going to court and bumping into her that way (as @anjuliet suggested). Basically he would disappear and not float in the circles she’s associated with anymore. But that didn’t apply to YW though. He never intended for her to find out about her mother. That’s why he told YW her mom died during childbirth. I guess in approaching lady CEO of Hanbada he never anticipated that YW would be up against her mom in court. The chances were slim because she’s the CEO of TaeSun. She had lots of other senior lawyers that could’ve take the case? But she stepped in this time. Perhaps it was to increase her exposure seeing she was going into politics.
I am wondering if CEO of Hanbada is similar to MW? Both seem to have come from humbler backgrounds. YW’s mom looks to have inherited her post. Her dad was the CEO before her. She didn’t really have to work her way up. CEO of Hanbada looks to be self made. She worked her way up. So perhaps like MW, she’s not a fan of nepotism and has a chip on her shoulder.
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Seeing they timed it for a 2024 release does that mean KTO won’t be in it? He’s enlisting soon and probably won’t be available for filming. So we get something like Yumi’s Cells? Different ML next time? Cliffhanger ending? 
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Yeah I agree. I am still not sure if SooBin is or not. Unless JD is someone else and not NJD.
Thing is though, @dogstar mentioned this
So JH never really “knew” his real birth mother. She died when he was 1. That’s too young to remember much. We know NJD’s mother was alive until YS was born, so I am thinking JH was raised by his grandma (NJD’s mom) till NJD married KHJ. If he was in kindergarten, he would’ve been 4 or 5 when his new “mom” arrived. So he would know by then that she wasn’t his biological mother. Still, with KHJ’s kind heart, I cannot imagine that she would be anything other than fair and loving to JH when she raised him. Something happened after middle school (they looked like a happy family in the middle school graduation pic) for him to “turn bad”.
In Ep4, when Male Secretary WooJae confronted SooBin in the car, he said this
Did it not sound suspiciously like this?
Who seeded that idea in JH’s mind? It wasn’t KHJ. She looked shocked when he accused her. And I can’t imagine NJD doing that either. I get the feeling WooJae may have had a “talk” with JH as well. Just like he did with SooBin. He was quite violent with SooBin, her wrist was bruised when he grabbed her. Did he do worse to JH when he saw that JH didn’t learn his lesson but was instead working as a drug mule?