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  1. I hate that this show couldn’t twist the trope around and surprise me. I’m starting to have to detach and complete the five stages of grief like I did with a Eve on my expectation vs reality of this show. I will never understand the trope where the main character breaks up with love interest after finding out the past that involves MC being guilty of some wrongdoing towards that love interest. The only right thing to do would be to admit it to the love interest, apologize, and let THEM choose if they want to break up with you or not. I don’t care if her excuse for the way she treated GC this episode was for his own good. He never was this harsh to her when she was in jail. Ugh whatever, I need to stop letting these shows frustrate me. I’m just gonna go with the flow for now on. I’m gonna have to detach myself if it turns out JY is her daughter and Chairman uses that to force her to marry his son or else I’mma rage drop this and I want to stay until the end.

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  2. I’ll preface by admitting this show made me go through the five stages of grief from my expectation vs reality. I guess I had my own idea what this show was about when they released the summary and first episode. Suffices to say, there’s nothing wrong being surprised and the story being unpredictable. It’s more fun. But for some reason this show it was more frustrating for me. I didn’t want to drop it though because I felt like I’m ‘in too deep’ that I might as well stay till the end. And I’ve also reached the acceptance stage so I no longer get disappointed or angry from this show anymore. Now I just laugh instead. I think I also came to this position to brace myself for a tragic ending. If I get too attached, I’m only gonna feel more heartbreak when someone dies. So now I am enjoying just viewing carelessly and going along for the ride. What made me laugh this episode? How there was no media reporting HPRs break in to the house when SR admit herself they are like celebrities and the media cared enough o make articles about the affair. Unless I missed it and there were journalists there along with the cops. Of course HPR cracked me up with his hammer too. Usually I would be scared but he is shameless that it’s ridiculous now. As I’ve now accepted to going with the flow of this kdramas plot, I still give my predictions (or ahem, maybe desires) for the ending of all characters. Time has flown. Can’t believe after tomorrow we will only have two weeks left of this show. This is first time I won’t be emotionally invested if my predictions are correct or not. 

    • HPR ends up in jail
    • so does his minion vicechairman
    • SR is mental hospital then released at very end to be with Doctor Love...DB is his biological daughter.
    • KYK...either with LRL, single, or dead; could be peniless or wealthy...probably wealthy *eyeroll*
    • LRL either with KYK, SEP, single or dead; wealthy if alive and inherited a Gedux/has own booming bus8ness either with security tech or dance studio..or both 0.o
    • JMH fake mom will be more ‘motherly’ to LRL, their relationship mirroring LRLs relationship with BR;whom she also treats as if real daughter in the end..or BR ends up with bio mom
    • BRs bio dad in jail or raising BR with bio mom or single/childless
    • LRLs real mom no longer missing. Either alive or dead. Major plot twist if she’s out for revenge too and pops up more bloodthirsty than even JMH and LRL
    • KYKs family-please let’s see them peniless along with HPR and his fam, take them diamond spoons out their mouth plzzz(also how KYK gonna say he feel similiar to LRL when SR was abused by dad too like him?)
    • Whooo am I missing....
    • oh ...poor SEP...you’re important that’s why I saved you to the bottom of the list..surely I were considered you from get go...
    • SEP either ends up dead, fueling LRLs revenge even more, or alive either with LRL or single..or maybe with his aide the lady that knows about LRL too.. SEP you deserve to be happy boo...he said first episode in his speech if he didn’t do politics he would cook and open a restaraunt..I look forward to that chefnim 
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  3. 2 hours ago, SJW said:

    so glad i am not the only one who feels the lack of chemistry between them. the kiss scenes are done for the sake of kiss scenes. why bother having this loveline; they look like siblings to me. i would prefer the drama be like LJG's again my life where only the lead dominates the drama, and SHJ can absolutely hold up this drama. 

    For me, I think I would have felt more chemistry and sexual tension between them if there was a better build up. Having her overhear the restaraunt lady talk about his crush and him getting jealous scenes just gave me secondhand emberassment, it didn’t make my heart flutter. Neither did him crossing her boundaries every time, even if this kdrama likes to make it seem like him doing so helps them get closer (involving the team when she said to keep usb secret, going to beach instead of home and they kiss). I just mean like, there are scenarios where the love interest is in the background, supporting the lead, and the small yet sincere gesture to help them become so significant(the first kdrama that comes to mind that pulled this off was the OTP in Itaewon class). It’s also more fun if we as audience don’t know eithers feelings yet, especially in this case GC that seemed so obvious from getgo. The mystery of wondering if it’s mutual etc adds to the excitement when they’re finally together. 

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  4. Anyone else underwhelmed by the reveal of the identity of the hooded figure in RE’s dream. I initially thought it would be her but when they kept it a mystery I was like oooo is it maybe her fake mom or KYG? Initially at the affair I was starting to turn around to him (as a SEP shipper), but I’m getting more and more turned off by him with how he treats RE like a mistress vs potential future wifey/soul mate. Man wants his cake and to eat it too. Soooo u want her to divorce but you yourself still have your wife? Make it make sense you Richard Simmons chuck Norris Rick rolling hypocrite. He’s been frustratating me a lot this episode and the last one. So you can control your wife?  What about what happened to the bodyguard (that he never even seems to mention or care about what happened to them)..oh I guess he thinks they’re in the us but still) if not for REs quick thinking, that would have been her not the bodyguard. You do not have this under control at all KYG. I was really starting to think your different and have faith in you..but you’re really just another selfish RickRoll'D aren’t you KYG 

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  5. 19 hours ago, maribella said:

    One old series which broke my heart was Damo. I don't like Ha Ji Won's voice but I forgave it for she was so good in this show. It had incest vibes because they were siblings and had that natural bond but did not know they were siblings. However, the good supper made me cringe since the ajusshi was her carer and they had lived together without any other characters in the house. Someone mentioned he must have bought her first box of pads. Yikes !!! My 'must know the ending' syndrome had kicked in, so I sort of watched many episodes to get to the end.

    Yes chingu thank you for mentioning this drama. I LOVED it. One of a kind story especially for seageuk era. 
     

    19 hours ago, Thong Thin said:

     

    Chingu... long time no chat.... how are things over your side. 

     

    I do agreed with you on the revenge plots.. how both sides scheme to get what they wanted

    and how good is the ending.

     

    Money Flower & Resurrection are in my watchlist as recommended by @philosophie

    :love:

    Revenge is my FAVORITE, if theres any genre I’m always excited to suggest it’s revenge. I have to say for the Eve watchers, you want a real revenge femme fatal story and are okay with it being a Japanese drama not a kdrama-watch Saki. Impeccable show. Resurrection is one my fav older revenge kdramas that never disappoints. The Devil (actually preferred the japanese version Maou more) and Shark are very good too if one is craving the male character to be taking revenge. For female character, daily wise Heavens Promise was a good one. pink Lipstick as well. Because dailies have so many episodes, some revenge dramas drag a lot with misunderstandings or spending majority of episodes frustrating viewers with the bad guys ‘winning.’ But this one defied alll that. flames of Desire was very good too, with a more anti heroine female lead. They are also older kdramas. Oh my god A love to kill WAS crazy!! An older kdrama that was chefs kiss (honestly for me many the older revenge kdramas are the ones on my rewatch list vs newer ones). Every episode left me at the edge of my seat literally screaming to the tv NO RICHARD SIMMONS WAY. An absolute rollercoaster. Probably that most wild revenge kdrama I have EVER scene.

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  6. Loving the discussion here and thank you to who created this thread and poll. Honestly, before the pandemic the forums felt more active( which is ironic cause during quarantine the rise in people using online was at its highest). One thing I noticed lately when I go to new currently airing kdrama threads is that it rarely gets 1+ pages of posts a week. I remember when BLACK was airing (I think that’s when I created my account here too ) and every day it was Ike there was 3+ page worth of unread replies. And that’s just one example. It wasn’t just BLACK that had a lot of activity, there were many others that were just pouring with discussion. These days it doesn’t feel like it anymore sadly. And Is that a tpestament how people are less and less interested in kdramas? Because it’s being ‘hollywoodized’ with seasons, overused tropes, and badly handled webtoon adaptions?

     

    I think there is still so much potential for fresh new stories that haven’t been shown yet. I don’t think all the possible kdrama plots have been done yet. And if certain overused tropes are dropped, why not create new ones? That’s not to say that those tropes aren’t funny and entertaining to watch either if they have a surprising twist to it.

    7 hours ago, Sleepy Owl said:

    I actually love "Female Centric" dramas Chingu

     @lila21

     

    I think Search Www is a perfectly example how the pdnims mastered female empowerment and a solid story and just everything (even though I had my own qualms about ML and FLs relationship). They took tropes from the kdrama soap operas and had their own little show in this one, where one of the main FLs is watching it, and the tropes happening in there were so hilarious I started to want to watch the whole series of this fake show within the kdrama I’m watching! I always complained I never saw the equivalent of beautiful touching brimances we see in kdrama happening with the women. Very rarely did we see women have solid friendships, even if the FL/friend did, usually the friend/FL would betray them for a guy or still have something /someone more important than them.

     

    I went on a rabbit hole one summer ago and watched many early 2000s-2010 kdramas. The first ones that stand out to me I can recall are: (and these are really good I recommend them if you are curious to compare these days vs back then...and have a hit of nostalgia..the flip phones, the fashion, the music..)Ruler of your own world (2002), Fox with Nine Tails(2004), One fine Day(2006), Dr. Kkang(2006), Tazza (2008), Secret Garden (2010).

     

    admittedly, I’m a sucker for romance in kdrama. It’s very rare I enjoy a kdrama that doesn’t have a love story in it. But what I liked about kdramas, especially the ones around 2010-2015 would have weddings at the end too. Marriage not Dating, Tomorrow with You, Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, Angels Last Mission, etc. As an rabid romance kdrama viewer, what predictable trope especially frustrates me these days is spending the last quarter of the show on the couple apart and doing time jumps, we rarely ever see a wedding, and if they needed to drag the show to finale, they could have just shown us the main couple post marriage something I rarely ever see and would absolutely not get bored of. I think there is a lot of lost potential script writers could put just using the imagination and creativity.

     

    @Thong Thin If you like revenge I highly recommend Money Flower, Resurrection, Shark and Bad Guy

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  7. On 6/25/2022 at 8:17 AM, confusedheart said:

    @sadthe1st Episode 7 done. What utter madness is this? I feel that the writers are losing their reasoning. The story is taking a ridiculous turn. But I knew that fake mother will back stab her. I hope RE has a plan B to fend her off. But I am with her when she says RE has started developing feelings for KYG and that will spell doom for her. She doth protest too much and although she knows how it makes a fool out of someone, she is really losing her edge. 

     

    It will be interesting to see what the 'husband' does next. :ph34r: He has a score to settle with RE. 

     

    HSR is really dumb! She is so oblivious to all the obvious signs. It is a dead giveaway how he always tries to shield RE every time HSR  gets mad and is destructive. But, she has a hot boy toy for sure. Poor actor gets yelled at / hit all the time. :wacko:

     

    KYG is another fool. He wants to keep RE safe and protect her but he gifts her a car, a very expensive car and a bodyguard. Is this his definition of being discrete?:crazymad:

     

    Everybody is losing their steam here and we are only halfway done. Whatever. Let's see what ep 8 offers. 

    *spoilers if u haven’t seen ep 8 yet*
    Lucky for him his mistress is out for revenge that his ‘discreteness’ hasnt endangered her so far. Seriously, KYG annoyed me this ep. but then when can I ever trust the reasoning of these writers when who so conveniently had BR at the bday party without dad or any chaperone like fake mom. I think REs plan B to fend her off is working. With SEP, which we see her doing more of especially ep 8. 

     

    11 hours ago, confusedheart said:

    KYG is aware of La-El's identity

    And if he isn’t, ep 1 proved he didn’t care/ended up accepting it and still wanting to be with her 

     

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  8. 46 minutes ago, marrez1 said:

     

    i just hope she will not be in jail for long, the show was so good until now,  i'm not saying it's not interesting anymore now that she's in jail, but i want to see her in action,  i will be disappointed if she's in jail for many years and ML become her lawyer with time jump, the entire story will change

    Or maybe she will be in prison for many episodes, It will be difficult for her, it's sad

    Never imagined a time jump, but now that I do it would be interesting to see her leave jail a couple years later, her hair cut short to the shoulders, and speaking to her old students like they are now her team to get revenge. Nostalgic for me that’s seen lighter revenge/justice kdramas that start off with a team working together with great chemistry. (On top of my head...Switched...Bad thief, good thief...I know there’s more but can’t exactly recall). I can feel more comfortable with scenes between SJ and GC because now she is no longer his professor and I don’t have to worry about the bad guys using their relationship as blackmail/leverage to take away her legal license due to inappropriate professor x student relationship (unless that isn’t a risk of punishment for that in college? I don’t know the rules there about it and losing her license to that seems far now since she may have lost her lawyers certification from going to jail? Does a lawyer lose their licensure? How does that work). If JY is really her daughter we would see her semi grown up now..man now I wonder how her mom and brothers are gonna react to the news. Is it gonna bring out the best in them and ‘wake p’ them up from the kind of hell SJ went through to get them money to the point moms like ‘it’s okay if we are poor and you don’t make money anymore..don’t work for these bastards” and see through the boss scheme, or fall for the media headline and hurt her daughter more than she already in pain judging her and blaming her for this mess?

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  9. 3 hours ago, sadthe1st said:

    she gave the envelope to this guy in ep7 after La El was so bent on getting revenge on Han So Ra, telling him to pass it to KYK if she gets totally out of control.. and she said the same again in ep8.

    Was that man she gave the envelope to KYGs assistant he gave a second chance too? Who was that man? He sounded like he works in LY from the intel he gave her. Ugh I hate how the fake MIL has become no different than KYGs dad. She only looks at RE as a tool she can use. And if RE executes her own free will, then she’s ‘out of control’ and needs to ‘be put back In her place.’.

     

    inrewatched the beginning of episode 1 to see if the scene took place before/after this episode (because both have a scene where he is talking to a crowd). Obviously it was definetly after. SR found out about the affair before the news broke it. This ep he’s talking about LY pay, but the first ep scene is about the New York stock exchange. Then he goes to see RE and they embrace. If the fake MIL tells Him RE’s true identity next ep-then it’s safe to say it won’t affect his desire for her even though she broke things off anyways so it doesn’t matter at this point. I am kind of disappointed jn him he wants to get back together with RE without promising to become single and divorce SR. Is the scene of them embracing first ep after he finally promises RE he will divorce her? I cringed whe KYG called SR ‘yoboo/honey’ at DBs birthday. 

    1 hour ago, lila21 said:

    So what is it that Sora did that he can't forgive? Was it about his first girlfriend? Did he know about that and yet married Sora, or maybe he learned about it after marrying Sora? But KYG trusting RE with company business she actually taped their bed conversations and gave to fake MIL.

    Something that happened/he discovered 5 years ago. That’s when they apparently stopped sleeping together and he shut off his feelings for her.

     

    I have to say, I was very impressed by SYjs acting these past two episodes. actress for SR has been incredible and almost a show stealer-even if the character has done so many despicable actions, many viewers are still fond of her and almost forget that bad behavior to pity her, because that’s how good to actress is for making such an un likable character still likable. That said I absolutely loveeeee SYJ, this show and even previous shows. Just these past two episodes made me appplaud at her acting. In the first ep of this week, it was when her husband grabbed her hand and bruised her, and she started laughing. My breath was taken away. This week it was at DBs birthday in her reveal to SR. Gloves are off and so is the mask. Woooooow

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  10. 14 hours ago, hush puppy said:

    I believe in Ep 8, Ra-El is going to Reveal her relationship with Kang Yoon Gyeom.  She is going to wear her  "Motor-Cycle Chain".  

     

    I could not help LOL when Han So Ra caught with Lee Yeon Wook - Ra-El's Bodyguard.  Han So Ra was "Stunned".  How could her husband dump her for such A Mistress - So Masculine,  So "Tom-Boyish",  So "Unattractive".

     

    :loolz:

     

     

    Spoiler

    You called it chingu! She exposed the affair.,.with motorcycle chain and everything!

    I am rather enjoying the pacing of this drama. Many revenge dramas that I see spent the majority of episodes building the reasons why character should take revenge/the bad guys ‘winning’ whereas we see her ‘winning’ all ploys and successfully manipulating the situation like a chess player moving pieces on both sides. And even if now she won’t be as successful in her moves like she was the past 8 episodes, I am satisfied enough to accept that. My only worry is I’ve been seeing a lot of viewers sus SEP. that he is ‘too good to be true’ and there is more to be revealed about him. I will hate if the twist is he is one she should have gotten revenge on, and everyone else was a waste of time/energy. I don’t think he is though-unless he was working for chairman kangs dad, HPR seems to not recognize him at all as the lawyer in charge of the G company case.

    @Latte_Anyday

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    Ep 8 cracked me up when the two father in laws got into a Whole fight. Now that’s the hilarious petty revenge I’m talking about. Get both your enemies fighting each other in public LOLOLOL

     

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  11. 4 hours ago, hush puppy said:

    Ra-El has very good strategies.   She is Pressuring Kang Yoon Gyeom until he has no room to breathe:

     

    First by suggesting to Han So Ra to take over KYG's older brother's Departmental Store Biz.  Even giving her a Biz Plan.  That will prod Han Pan Ro to act.  While on the other hand, KYG's father will strike back.  Removing KYG from his inheritance is one.  Next is revealing his Birth Status to the world.

     

    Second is getting Han So Ra all worked up about Kang Yoon Gyeom's infidelity.   Han So Ra will go Hysterical.   And when she does that, who will Kang Yoon Gyeom runs to?   

     

    Ra-El of course!    She is his Oasis.  Where he can have some Peace, Normalcy .... and a Good Sleep.

     

    I wonder how SR will react when she finds out Her husband is an illegitimate child?

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  12. 4 hours ago, lila21 said:

    I was thinking that Ra el may have been referring to her real mom. About the fake MIL, she has money to fund the revenge, but it is questionable as you said that she goes to the event where she could be recognized if she walked in the same social circle as Han. I thought that her revenge was more on KYG than Han but destroying KYG was also destroying Han. That her revenge was more about her daughter? So Ra said she also took care of Ra El's mom, she was in a nursing home then disappeared, what if it was the fake MIL who made Ra El's mom disappear so she could mold and use the young Ra El into an avenging woman? Ra El's mom would not have wanted Ra El to be like she is right now, would she? just throwing a possible wrench out there, since in ep 5 when Ra El and fake MIL had an argument because MIL was angry as she thought KYG saw through to Ra El and Ra El says "since my father was killed, neither you nor the world ever cared that I was too young then. You may have set the stage but the one who engaged in the battle was me, the one who has to sleep with a married man whom she is not in love with is me". Her mom would never have permitted her to go through this path would she? It seems though that she is developing feelings for KYG?

    Ohh good point though, the mother in law was at the tango performance of SR and LE. Surely she wouldn’t have attended if HPR, KYG, and everyone she’s also seeking revenge in there? Wouldn’t they recognize her?

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  13. 3 hours ago, hush puppy said:

    End of Ep 6, Ra-El is paving the Way for the Billion-Dollar Divorce by alerting Han So Ra that her Husband is having an affair.  She wants to be the Queen besides her "King".

    Wouldn’t it have benefitted RE if SR still remained oblivious to her husband having an affair? Why did RE tell her?

    11 minutes ago, lila21 said:

    She has money so she maybe part of the chaebol society. I am guessing that it was her daughter that KYG had an affection for and SR said she did something to  that young woman to take her out of the matchmaking game of the chaebol daughters for the most wanted and eligible bachelor at the time, KYG. She may not know Han though because he was the prime minister and they may not have associated in the same club. I am guessing that is why she wants revenge and the reason for the look she gave Han.

    my thing is if LE took the identity of this girl that was a fling with KYG, wouldn’t he recognize her name(and childhood photos/awards that she hangs up in the studio)? Did LEs fake mom use her daughters same name and identity to give to LE? Or?

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  14. 4 hours ago, backstreetboysfan said:

    Park Byung Eun continues to show off his cheerfulness as he films with Yoo Sun, who plays his wife in the drama.

    Bts made me feel like he had more chemistry with his ‘wife’ than mistress. But really, did anyone else cringe at the piano dance scene?! The bts didn’t do it any justice either LOL

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  15. 8 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:

    Jae Yee is Soo Jae's isn't she?? That damn Chairman Choi will stop at nothing. Such a greedy evil pompous *******

        I don't want Yoon Sang for Soo Jae. Dealing with the father, older brother is enough already. Plus why is he being so possessive? 

        Funny how Gong Chan calls Yoon Sang big bro when in life, the actor playin' Gong Chan is older. The actor playin' Yoon Sang has a noticeable lisp. 

    We won’t know for sure till they do a dna test. Knowing JW...he probably wasn’t just shacking up with SJ and his fiancé. And wouldn’t put it behind chairman choi to lie that it is her daughter to shake her up.

     

    Today, I sussed YS for the first time. What I mean is, for the case of Gcs step sister that had a jacket the same as the girl in the flashback of JW(and whom some theorize is the woman in the mental hospital that Baek visits) could have actually been killed by YS. Not JW. Thus it was actually YS that GC took the fall for in jail. 

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  16. 1 hour ago, lila21 said:

    Just rewatched episode 6. Sora payed the male tango instructors to date the 2 women "friends" who embarrassed her on her b-day and create a scandal to compromise them. So, she must have done that to the young lady that the bachelor KYG had affection for. Payed someone to compromise the young woman, create a scandal which may have led the young lady to commit suicide? And that would be the fake MIL's daughter?

     

    On the other hand, KYG the clown who played king wants to be the real king. He might be the chairman yet he has no one supporting him, everyone is either loyal to HPR or the FIL. But he is starting to make moves to recruit people on his side starting with the chauffeur. The chauffeur offered his resignation because of the bug he was forced to put on the boss car. KYG then said that he will give the driver another chance to work for him if the driver will be "his man". Later when he met LE at the school, he asked her if she will support him and LE said she will. So far 2 people the driver who may or may not be as faithful and La El have given their word but La El has her own agenda. I hope he has got a plan hidden in that secret room.

    So disturbing the scene of her paying off the tango men. It was like she was almost giving them the incentive to Rape them, which like you said could have very well been what she did with KYGs ‘fling’ before she married him. Yes, it will be interesting what moves KYG makes next to have his freedom and keep his power at the same time, maybe even go higher than he is now. I just wonder if he will end up being so obsessive and possessive of LE that to us, even if we pitied him for being fooled by her as a pawn for revenge, will become irredeemable as the drama goes by?

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  17. 1 hour ago, Bleu Winter said:

    @philosophie

    Argh...now Choi TK probably wants SJ to know that he has her child under his care. Easier for him to manipulate her again. The reason why he wanted SJ to take the divorce case is for her to know that Jae Yi is her child.  My heart hurts for SJ & GC. Eun Soo is probably Na Jung hopefully. At least if they can cure her though she would have to go through a series of treatment for her mental well being then she can go on with her life. 

    Ugh choi you’re making me hate you more and more than I normally would for a corrupt lawyer. God he is despicable. What do you think is the story behind the ‘cruises’? I’m so excited guys. I binged the 5 eps yesterday and finally caught up to this show. I can’t wait to discuss with y’all.

     

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    Well looks like they really are going the makjang route with the reveal that JWS kid isn’t his wife’s biological baby. This isn’t just a business war anymore. It’s personal. The man who almost became her father in law...the grandfather of her child. Who like the ex wife so eloquently put, is a sociopath like his son. I wonder when OSJ will do a dna test and sus that it’s her daughter before choi reveals it to her (maybe he’s lying-we won’t know till dna test). 
     

    guys that scene of SJ making deal with hamburger guy at the food stall made me feel like I’m watching a Hollywood Movie. It was epic. I don’t know it was a beautiful script where the dialogue when she unexpectedly says 2 billion. GENIUS. And then that the episodes theme with her students was about the art of making a deal. She is teaching them what has become useful to her as a lawyer.

     

    ugh @ little choi (JW younger brother-don’t know his name) for the condition of her not to date gong Chan. Sooo you LITERALLy just admitted yourself you haven’t seen her smile like that or be that happy essentially and then make a deal that would rob of her that happiness? Yeah can tell you’ve been loved by sociopaths man. I hope your character develops well and doesn’t go in the gutter like your brother and father.

     

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  18. 4 hours ago, lila21 said:

    yeah, HPR already had a calling card made naming himself as the "political adviser", lol, what he does not know is SEP will use him to get to HPR's contacts and his illegal deals "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

     

    First of all HPR does not know that his son in law is illegitimate and therefore does not have the right to be heir no matter how talented he is. KYG's father is making the excuse of not having a son to deny him the right to be heir but now we know that he never intended KYG to become heir because he is the illegitimate son. Just like fake MIL said, never in SK history has an illegitimate child ever become an heir. If HPR knew that KYG is illegitimate son, he will be the first one to throw him out and if SR knew from the start of his illegitimacy, would she have done whatever it is she did to KYG's first love? Besides HPR is not worried about heirs for now because he has SR and he knows what SR is capable of no matter how he tries to cover up by saying that SR "does not know how to think or plan" because he does not want SR taking blame. He probably knew that it was SR who had Lee's will stolen and forced signed over to the Hans. Han wants to keep SR clean. But she is the heir no matter that she is a woman. Problem is SR is obsessed with her husband.

    Genius. Now SEP will find out who all the players are in HPRs ongoing corruption, even the ones that LE didn’t meet as a kid because they weren’t involved or hired after she left to us during time jump. Ahh I wonder who the first love of KYG was....the daughter of fake MIL? A living person we may see later on? I wonder if KYG will indirectly reveal to the media he’s illegitimate so that he’s abandoned by his FIL and wife. I was surprised SR used to be married and that he first kid is probably from that marriage....what happened to the ex husband? Curious to see him too.

     

    if anyone’s been craving tango music after the show, I highly recommend the song El Tango de Roxanne and many hits from the band Gotan Project. It would be a treat if they were played in the show...sure could use it since it sounds like they only have like one ost so far.

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  19. On 6/16/2022 at 7:33 PM, sadthe1st said:

     

    i love the remark that La El made to fake mom at the secret room.. you are old enough so you should not make mistake with your words (something along this line... i can't remember the exact word).. it totally threw her off hahaha at least that should have shaved some smugness off that fake mom.. she kept insisting her young age and mistakes.. and of cos, she is too old to try seduce anyone too

    Now if only RE had kept this same energy from the getgo instead of being caught self mutilating herself. Then again, I am realizing maybe the writers were just setting up the scenario where LE had a difficult time at the start of the revenge or just her overall path of how she was the beginning of the revenge vs how she will be at the end. Then again..maybe I am giving them too much credit after that disaster of scene at the event where somehow SR didn’t see her husband protect LE and take her somewhere alone. So your sister in law right next to you can see the BIL and LE ‘flirting’ which also your husband in your vision can see too, but then suddenly become blind or full attention on your SIL you despise that you guys both don’t notice the commotion? Then what about after the scuffle? You didn’t notice him gone or others gossiping how the two brothers just publicly fought? Oh cmon please PDnims, Im gonna give y’all the benefit of the doubt.

     

    On 6/16/2022 at 7:34 PM, hush puppy said:

    She is just as "Cold-Blooded" as Han Pan Ro.  She should receive Zero Sympathy from anyone.  (Do you all wonder why there is No Mention of Han So Ra's Mother at all?)

    I agree. I for one notice the despicable and unforgivable actions of SR, despite how ‘endearing’ the actress can make her character because it is rare to see such a rich powerful female lead like her. But it doesn’t make me feel any less bad for her about the affair or revenge. I say this because I noticed many viewers commenting on the episodes video and Reddit discussions how furious they are over the treatment of SR. Well maybe she shouldnt abuse her child, ‘servants,’ or had an affair with her employee in the first place. Like I have my own qualms with LE character and the writing but I am seriously not rooting for SR over KGY and LE. How can that be possible after everything we’ve seen her do and behave. I can’t understand all the viewers simping for her so hard even after the most recent episode. I am absolutely curious about SRs mom too. Did it seem HPR became enamored with uri femme fatal LE too? Also is she is only child? So far the story makes it sound like she’s his favorite child/daughter...but is she his only one too? Does SR have siblings? Like you mentioned, how come HPR not worry about heirs but his daughter father in law does? Why’s he not worried when he’s so old too?

     

    On 6/16/2022 at 10:44 PM, sadthe1st said:

    he was so delighted to assume that if Seo Eun Pyeong is elected, it will be smooth sailing for him and his business for another 20 years.. if Han So Ra is 45, he could have been in his 60s.. wow, he wants to continue be ambitious until his 80s or 90s..

    I Percieved his excitement about SEP as a puppet master excited for a new puppet to control. Or better yet since we already see him with dogs, a dog owner excited for a new puppy to mold as his own and use as a tool.

     

    On 6/16/2022 at 11:06 PM, hush puppy said:

    A lot of Viewers scolded him for the way he treated Ra-El  at the La Boga Tango Club - pushing her to the ground and asking her to behave like a Dog to it's Owner. 

     

    I Believe he was reacting to his own Demons and Fears :

    The Fear of falling-in-love with the Wrong Person again. 

    - The Fear of being under the Control of someone again.  Like he has been under his Bio-Father and Father-In-Law.

    - The Fear that his Father-In-Law will get her killed.

    Yep, to give him the benefit of the doubt maybe he was trying to protect her by scaring her away with that gesture and words, in fear she would die like his mom. And not wanting her to die because of him. And yet, he still fell for her seduction, I was impressed by how LE handled that too, while her fake mom was worried they were now done for and in less power than before, LE didn’t express embarrassment or waver in her confidence demanding he now beg for her back. She acted more powerful than she did before he shoved her away and called her a dog to the owner. It is interesting we see this analogy a lot...HPR and his dogs....KYG referencing it to LE..and then me noticing a similiar dynamic HPR wants with SEP. 


    @Latte_Anyday I really wish I could say it was totally unrealistic that KYG went to shield LE first from the broken glass over his daughter, but unfortunately even in real life there are many cases where the married/divorced man will priories the one he falls in love with over his own children

     

    @confusedheart I completely agree about the necklace. My first thought was oh my god it looks so gaudy. Tacky. Sure it probably costs a lot because those diamonds look real but even something expensive needs taste to be worthwhile. I blame the wardrobe/styling or sponsorship for not providing better jewelry. It should have been something meaningful, then it also wouldn’t have felt scummy her recieving a gift from KYK like it was a payment, my opinion? It should have been a rose. It would have been a perfect ‘twin flame’ moment for KYK has no idea she has a rose tattoo and roses are usually used in tango. So not only would The necklace have perfectly represented LE, but also been a symbol of their “love’ or what they bonded over. Sorry but That chunky snake necklace does not remind me at all of LE or suit her at all...unless..giving writers the benefit of the doubt here...it was on purpose to show KYK doesn’t know LE at all and couldn’t pick out a gift that would flatter her...a subliminal sign they’re not suited for each other/the matchmade in twin flame heaven they were alluded to be at the beginning.

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  20. 5 hours ago, Bleu Winter said:

    Jae Yi is 6 years old, going on 7. Is she So Jae's daughter?.. then the plot will become too complicated, probably she did lose her child. Ju Wan's wife must be from affluential family as I remember he is always degrading So Jae mentioning she is not good enough to become anyone's wife like that Assembly men Lee and that 7 billion dollar CEO.

    Honestly this is the twist I dread and worry about. Many commenters in in today’s episode theorized that choi manipulated the situation and made her believe she had stillbirth when really he took the baby and had her raised by JWS wife. Hence why she didn’t attend the school ceremony or seem to care about the child. I really really hope this isn’t the case because that is so unfair that choi holds that ‘card’ over her. He really will be able to get her to do what he wants if he’s holding her kid hostage.

     

    I have to give SJ credit for how she reacted when TG (the lapdog of choi..forgive me if that’s not his name) revealed her painful past about the stillbirth. She kept her cool enough to shake him right back, tenfold.

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