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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    2 hours ago, euphoenix said:

    Hi, i've messaged redprincessfox for yehua epilogue and havent gotten a reply. If any of you guys got it, can you please pass it to me? I know her condition is that I read the book already, well, I read and bought it from my local bookstore and can provide you with the receipt.

    Also in a side note, is that the sugar art fengjiu bought for dijun at the night market? Kyaaaaaa

    I’m very sorry, @euphoenix! I have not been on soompi for a while ~ it was a deliberate break from all the ‘drama’! I will check my messages and send you Ye Hua’s Epilogue.

     

    Hi everyone! I’m back again! Hopefully to stay around for longer this time. It looks like i last posted in mid-January. While i’ll go back and read the posts i missed, would anyone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be able to quickly tell me what are the most important things i should know from between mid-January to now?! :D

     

    My son started school and my daughter became a threenager! That’s enough to drive me crazy plus some more. :sweatingbullets: I also needed a break from this forum in general because i love it too much! Doesn’t make sense, i know! But it’s Chinese Valentine’s Day today, and after seeing that candy fox on Facebook, i knew i had to jump back on the forum to catch up. I LOVED that candy fox scene and the Maiden Festival afterwards! :wub:

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    5 hours ago, Lena Lu said:

    I don’t like it when a film is based off a source media and then change everything about it. It didn’t have to be like the drama, but I felt that too many main things were changed from the books. 

    I actually felt the film, despite being so short, captured the feel and essence of the books a lot more, and the characters were more true to character, both visually and personality-wise. And accordingly, i felt it was the drama that tried to change things up way too much and added way too much.

     

    5 hours ago, Lena Lu said:

    Also, using the word trans / tranny as an adjective to describe “ugly cross dresser” was more what I wanted to highlight as problematic.

    ...

    I will also admit that his hair down was U G L Y, but I just wanted to point out that we shouldn’t make terms referring to groups of people be synonymous with “ugly.”

    First things first, i did NOT use the word ‘tranny’ to describe ‘ugly cross dresser’. How did you jump to this and how/why are cross-dressers ugly? I used the word ‘tranny’ (in the ‘drag queen’ sense) to describe Ye Hua’s wig. I said I laughed at his hair. I said his crying face was ugly. So i didn’t say it before, but i’ll say it now: his hair was ugly too. I’ve said it many times and i’ll happily say it again: I think the way they styled Mark Chao as Ye Hua in Eternal Love was in every way UGLY from head to toe - hair, robes, underwear, swamp monster jacket - ALL UGLY. In behind-the-scenes footage, even the (female) director kept laughing and telling him he looked too ugly to be Ye Hua! But Yang Mi said she loved his wig!

     

    I hate getting overly politically correct though, for the very reason that this has already highlighted: terms are used differently in different countries and cultures. The term ‘tranny’ originated here in Sydney, Australia, and you can read more about it here and here, but i was using it in the more recent ‘drag queen’/‘Tranny Bingo’ sense. So while ‘tranny’ is offensive in your mind because of its usage and connotations in the US, all i thought was ‘he looks like a drag queen’. Yes, i thought Ye Hua’s hair down was ugly. But i also think men in drag are downright ugly. I don’t consider ‘drag queens’ to be a ‘group of people’ but rather a ‘style’ - a style/look/fashion expression for entertainment purposes that i happen to think is ugly (entertaining, but ugly). Since you work in fashion, surely, you must find some fashion ugly and some not, right? It’s got absolutely NOTHING to do with LGBTQIA. In fact, transgender persons would be the first to want to distinguish themselves from drag queen entertainers.

     

    I also want to speak up for those who are not on the same page with LGBT+ issues - it’s absolutely okay to have a different opinion, and it’s absolutely okay to laugh at the fact that Ye Hua looked like a drag queen.

     

    Considering perhaps many of you are in Asian countries, maybe you didn’t think of drag queens, but you thought of the ‘ladyboy’ entertainers in Thailand - that, to me, is also a very iconic ‘look’ for entertainment purposes, and I see no problem with thinking that is ugly either. Or maybe you think Thai ladyboys are gorgeous (I certainly do and boy am I envious - pun intended), but Ye Hua with ladyboy hair - not so much! There’s something about his really, really long, straight, rigid, obvious, fake-as wig that is so incredibly unsettling, that distinctly reminds me of the kind of over-the-top (pun intended) fake-as wigs drag queens and ladyboys use, that looks so particularly terrible on Mark Chao in combination with all his terrible Eternal Love costumes, especially that final scene’s peach blossom robe! :crazy: Funnily enough, when Mo Yuan woke up and was wearing that same wig with a simple white robe, i thought he looked... sexy... :w00t: So what is it??? Maybe his beard balanced it out?! Yang Yang had his hair down in that Divine Fungal Grass Monster fight scene and i thought his long, flowing, windswept hair (wig) looked amazing! And his pretty face was as smooth and clean-shaven as a baby’s bum!

     

    Hypothetically speaking, I don’t think it even makes any sense to call trans persons (transgender, transexual, transvestite) - as a supposed group of people - ‘ugly’, when their looks are as diverse as their gender identities, and I’m not sure there’s any aesthetic commonality that distinguishes them or can be used to generalise their appearances. I have a transgender cousin. Born female, he now looks just like any other balding, overweight middle-aged blokey bloke. So what?

     

    But I digress... I will say no more. Back to DH & FJ! :wub: Dare i say, i actually thought Vengo’s white wig in Eternal Love was rigid and boring. It was exactly like Liang Song’s hair but in white. It was a far cry from how I imagined those beautiful flowing silver tresses when reading the book and looking at the official pictorial album art. I am so thankful to see what looks to be a huge improvement in his white wig in the upcoming drama.

    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    22 minutes ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

     

    Yes the CGI is really good, and the customes is beautiful (except zhe yan's LOL) maybe because the budget is bigger.

    1. Yes, Li jing is awesome at the start, but after that he keep brooding and everytime he's on screen its always 'Si yin...Si yin...' He's more annoying than Feng jiu (on Drama)

    2. Ooh so that means I'm not confused about the ending, they really make them the same person...

    I watched the movie first but because my friend already told me before about Bai qian and Ye hua, that why the ending confused me...

     

    Yes IMO the drama is to draggy, no need to flesh out the villain's character too much, I thought Su jin have too much screen time <_<

    I read the books first, then watched the film, then watched the drama. Yes, I thought no. 2 was a good and clever change, but unfortunately it could have been better executed so that people weren’t so confused. I totally agree that the drama dragged - especially the extended Li Jing/Xuan Nu/dead baby and the older brother plot which I felt was boring and unnecessary. While Zhi Lan & Yan Zhi were cute, their story also dragged. And 100% agree Su Jin had too much air time, especially in the first arc when they extended the plot to say she was useful in pacifying the Elders, went travelling with Ye Hua, and even went to war against the mermaid clan (LOL does she even know how to wield a weapon?! Ridiculous!) - again, I felt it was so boring, unnecessary and overinflated her importance. Really the best thing to come out of the drama was the visuals and chemistry created by Reba & Vengo, setting them up to be the perfect REAL FJ & DH in this upcoming drama... :wub:

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    7 hours ago, chubby^green^ said:

    but seeing how people keep saying once upon a time butchered the novel as in the story being compacted too much (not the casts)

    Hmm, I think they did a pretty good job, considering it’s an artistic film adaption with its own interpretation of the story, which means it wouldn’t have been reasonable anyway to expect that they flesh out the whole story like a drama, albeit in 1 hour & 40 minutes. In many ways, I thought the film was better than the drama - it felt a lot less soapy, its cinematography, CGI & SFX was amazing, the entire cast was truer to the book’s descriptions, Ah Li was super cute & chubby, and the simplified storyline made a lot of people’s wishes come true by:

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    1. Removing Li Jing so that Ye Hua is Bai Qian’s first love

    2. Making Mo Yuan & Ye Hua the same person (not twins)

    While it’s perfectly fine to have preferences, I think many of the ways people compare the drama & the film, then bash the film because they expect it to be like the drama rather than appreciating it for what it is, is not really fair. I hope you get to watch the film some time and enjoy it for what it is, because it’s really beautiful. Its storytelling wasn’t great because it left many people confused, but I also think that people didn’t really try to understand how it wanted to differentiate itself. The interesting consensus is that people who didn’t know the story before watching the film actually had no problem understanding it. It’s the people who expect it to be just like the drama who couldn’t interpret and appreciate it with a fresh and unbiased mind.

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    11 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

    but maybe I have a thing for older men LOL

    & I’m a cradle-snatcher... :w00t:

     

    11 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

    Someone did mention about vic ? I dont think he could pass for Dong hua, first he is not very tall, and his face is to soft for me (Its his jawline I think)

    Ok, in his defense, Vic is 180cm. That’s pretty tall for a chinese man, and that’s Mark Chao and Yang Yang’s height too. It’s just that our man Vengo is 191cm - he is not of this world! :rolleyes: And that’s one of many things that makes Vengo a ‘cut above the rest’ (pun intended) to be Dong Hua. Btw Vic has put on weight. He was so skinny and therefore a lot more chiselled around the jawline back in his heyday almost 2 decades ago (Meteor Garden, God Mars).

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    1 hour ago, chubby^green^ said:

    so older donghua like in 26 above would be better for me than young donghua

    weird i know

    it's probably just me hahaha

    Yes, i get what you mean. :) However, Yang Yang is 26, but Vengo is 35 and sometimes i feel he looks even older than that... i also read the book without the influence of Eternal Love’s Vengo in mind. I kind of imagined a bit of a Twilight vampire situation (hehe @jimmylyne) so young face but old soul. :D

     

    1 hour ago, chubby^green^ said:

    anyway any news abut the movie version of pillow book

    i dont think i will be watching

    i am quite loyal with my characters and since this is my chosen dongfeng kinda hard to have anyone else playing that part

    Really? You’ve written it off already without knowing anything about it? :tears: Not going to even give it a chance? I’m passionate about the story and characters, not necessarily the celebrity actors. So i’m really looking forward to the film version too and seeing their take on it. It is still our beloved DongFeng. :wub: All adaptations are unique so there’s more to look forward to if you keep your options open.

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    20 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

    LOL I'm also a chinese descendant who was born and grew up in Indonesia and cant speak chinese, can you ?

    In my era (I sound so old LOL) on several forums if you get the 'Top post' you have to share some goodies LOL. Its not a written rules or something, just something to make the page pretty I guess ? 

    I was obsessed with hong kong and taiwanese dramas most of my life, and more recently, chinese dramas. My family was traditional. So yes, fluent in speaking cantonese and mandarin. Reading is not so good though, and writing is abysmal haha. I have tried to read 10MPB & The Pillow Book in chinese, but only could manage to understand it because i read it in english first. :) Thanks for explaining the top post thingy ~ i will keep it in mind!

     

    20 hours ago, jimmylyne said:

    @redfoxprincess @chubby^green^ @Sisca_TVXQ

    You guys are so entertainingly hilarious..Love all the posts..

     

    @redfoxprincess

    ..Lol..it's remind me one of your old post....about...your husband says that Vengo's beard(in TMOPB) look like armpit hair or even worse hair from further down.....LMAO!!:joy:

    P:S  Awwww..your son is so super cute!...adorable!:love:

    I look forward to your posts too! Love your sense of humour and how familiar you are with the details of the book! Yes... vengo’s beard... i couldn’t believe how different he looked as Dong Hua and the beardy Emperor! :crazy:

     

    Haha thankyou - my cutie boy knows he’s cute and gets away with everything... :sweatingbullets:

     

    12 hours ago, Lena Lu said:

    I agree with @chubby^green^! Mark Chao is the better Ye Hua, only because he’s a much better actor though. Yang Yang makes me love him anyway though just because he’s so darn pretty. I think he could’ve played an awesome Donghua because it’s sinilar to Xiao Nai from Love O2O, but the chemistry between Weiguang and Dilreba is too good!! As a fellow wearer of only black and sometimes looking like a swamp monster, I loved Mark’s costuming, crow outfit included. I want that coat LOL. What I didn’t like was his final episode outfit with the flowers. WTF man. Anyway, I love Yang Yang as much as the next person and he was perfect in Love O2O, but I felt that when he acts, he tries to maintain his prettiness so sometimes he doesn’t emote as much as I would like. He’s very good at the playful, flirty, cooler than everyone character, but I didn’t like his portrayal of an angsty Ye Hua. Also the movie was just all over the place in terms of plot so there’s also that. I like Mark’s ugly crying a lot, but didn’t love the hair down scenes. I think he actually looked better as Mo Yuan, but he portrayed such raw emotions as Ye Hua so I loved him anyway. 

     

    Also not to be a downer, but the word “tranny” is very derogatory and hurtful to marginalized groups of people. I think we should avoid using it if possible as there are other words we can use that aren’t slurs. 

    Oh i LOVED SEXY shifu Mo Yuan!!! :wub: Sigh... but Ye Hua... no thanks. :D I know i know... i’m nuts... how can the same person give me such different feeeeeels?!?!

     

    YES YES, that’s exactly my thoughts! Xiao Nai from Love O2O is modern-day Dong Hua! That’s why i couldn’t help but imagine him as Dong Hua. His game character outfit just needed white hair and voila! I’m all for my pretty boy Yang Yang, he’s my eye candy... :love: So i’m very ok with him maintaining his prettiness! :D

     

    Mark’s acting felt overblown for me, especially considering how reserved the book described Ye Hua to be. But i know many appreciated his acting and portrayal of emotions. I felt he was a bit too theatrical for my liking, and maybe that’s why i liked Mo Yuan - oh, and his topknot!

     

    Thanks for the kind reminder about my choice of term. I’m sorry if i offended or hurt anyone here. I meant no malice. I merely meant that Mark Chao’s long wig, when let down, made him look like a drag queen. Here in Australia, the term ‘tranny’ is mostly used interchangeably by the drag queen community and probably isn’t as sensitive as it is in other parts of the world - we love our drag queens. ‘Trans’ is more commonly used by the LGBTQIA community in general. I guess it’s all just part of life here, and i’m from Sydney - the home of Mardi Gras - and we are proud. :)

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    3 hours ago, chubby^green^ said:

    see! i didnt read the book

    so i didnt know that ye hua was said to be the prettiest boy or ultimate pretty boy

    i always thought he was the not so good looking, brooding guy but have grace and charisma just like in the drama

    beside i always thought that bai zhen is the fairest of them all and i still think he is hahaha

    Bai Zhen is like so pretty he looks like a girl (and might as well be a girl :joy:). Ye Hua is the ultimate pretty BOY - super duper handsome but NOT effeminate! Dong Hua is too. :) And Dong Hua’s supposed to look only 23. Vengo does portray a more mature Dong Hua but i like him too.

     

    2 hours ago, chubby^green^ said:

    OMG your son is seriously adorable!!!

    i wanna pinch his cheeks so much, and that lil rabbit teeth is too cute!!!

    Aww thankyou. He is 5 years old now. Still my adorable prince. And his little princess sister is 3 now. :heart: They keep me busy but i come on here to live my alternate life hahaha!

     

    2 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

    Your son is cute :wub:, you're chinese ? I thought you're australian...

    Thankyou! My background is Chinese. I was born in Australia and grew up in Australia and never left Australia LOL. What does that make me? :huh: Also - please explain, what is this ‘top post’ thing???

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    15 minutes ago, chubby^green^ said:

    i always thought the guy playing ye hua in movie version is too pretty to be the tall brooding ye hua i know (especially when he got into his dark black cape, robe, clothing) like a swamp monster :tounge_xd:

    OMG MARK CHAO IS THE SWAMP MONSTER!!! He is sooo yuck hahaha! :crazy: His costumes in Eternal Love were DISGUSTING!!! And he is anything but pretty!!! Can’t believe you don’t like Yang Yang as Ye Hua, who according to the book is the ultimate pretty boy - and no, he doesn’t dress like a swamp monster! - OK you need to go watch Love O2O like right about NOW!!!

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    30 minutes ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

    Really ? I thought they are perfect as Ye hua and Bai qian, my friend refuse to accept Mark as Ye hua because he's not as handsome as Yang yang LOL

    They were perfect as BQ & YH!!! They both have perfect faces, beautiful celestial aura & i’ve loved them both individually for years! I just think they would have made just as perfect a Feng Jiu & Dong Hua couple - just as i had imagined, though it’ll never happen. :wub: But i’m not complaining - Reba & Vengo reprising their roles was the best thing of 2018!!! Actually, Liu Yuxin & Jiro Wang NOT being FJ & DH was equally the best thing of 2018!!! :joy: Also looking forward to seeing who will star in the film! OH AND I AGREE WITH YOUR FRIEND - MARK CHAO REUINED YE HUA FOR ME... lost count of how many times i burst out laughing at his tranny hair and ugly crying face! :joy:

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    15 minutes ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

    Btw, I prefer Ah li in movie version because he fit the description, chubby and round :P

    I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!!!!!!!!! :wub: It’s also because Ah Li in the movie looks EXACTLY LIKE MY (then) 3-YEAR OLD SON so it was really funny & special watching him! :D

     

    Actually, long before any of this, Liu Yifei & Yang Yang were the Feng Jiu & Dong Hua in my imagination when i read The Pillow Book. It was like a SEMI-dream-come-true in Once Upon a Time watching them play Bai Qian & Ye Hua - like YAY but also wrong couple hahaha! :sweatingbullets:

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    [Mainland Chinese Drama 2017] Three Lives Three Worlds Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms 三生三世，十里桃花

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    HELLO EVERYONE!!!

     

    I just want to say - I don’t mind my inbox being bombarded constantly with requests for Ye Hua’s Epilogue. But please only ask if you’ve paid for the book already (you can buy it here). On principle, it is important to me that people receive their dues, especially considering how much enjoyment you’re getting out of this. :) Pm me your email address. Then after you’re done, please continue to support the author Tang Qi, the production companies, the cast you love, the 3L3W series and Chinese dramas in general BY JOINING US ON THE PILLOW BOOK THREAD!!! —> CLICK HERE

     

    I am also very happy to send The Pillow Book English Translation if you cannot find it. Pm me your email address.This is a free fan-translation authorised by Tang Qi. The Pillow Book is about Feng Jiu & Dong Hua - see below for explanation.

     

    Come join the DongFeng family because we are on fire! :heart: For those who need a bit of explanation:

     

    • 3 Lives 3 Worlds is a series of 4 books:

    - Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms (Bai Qian & Yeh Hua)

    - The Pillow Book (Feng Jiu & Dong Hua)

    - Lotus Steps (Liang Song & Cheng Yu) in progress

    - Bodhi Fate (Mo Yuan & Shao Wan) in progress

     

    • Eternal Love (the drama) was based on Book 1 and its main characters: Bai Qian & Ye Hua. The upcoming drama is based on Book 2 and its main characters: Feng Jiu & Dong Hua.

     

    • But Eternal Love’s scriptwriters borrowed Book 2’s main characters and put them in the drama as the secondary couple, but basically wrote their own spinoff story for the drama. So if you’ve seen Eternal Love, you’ll know Feng Jiu & Dong Hua, but their love story is entirely made up by the scriptwriters - all that stuff about her mucking around in the palace, and their romance in the mortal realm, are all a spinoff.

     

    • Their REAL story in Book 2 is what this upcoming drama is about and it’s entirely different. They actually don’t even meet each other until Bai Qian & Ye Hua’s wedding, which takes place about 300 years after Mo Yuan wakes up. This is where Book 2 begins. So it’s not considered a direct sequel to Eternal Love, but rather a faithful adaptation of Book 2. It does happen after Bai Qian & Ye Hua’s story, though it’s like as if Feng Jiu & Dong Hua didn’t exist at all in Eternal Love, but everything else happened and this does follow.

     

    • The production company of Eternal Love (Jaywalk) is partnering with the main studio (Penguin) producing this upcoming drama, that’s why many of the cast came back to play their roles again, but some were replaced by new actors. It has been confirmed that Yang Mi will have a cameo as Bai Qian.

     

    • The Pillow Book drama is slated for release in the 4th quarter of 2019.

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    On 1/7/2019 at 1:38 AM, jimmylyne said:

    @redfoxprincess

    Wow!! you must be a genius..can memorize everything in the book..accurately with just one time reading..I have to read it and re-read it again and again in order to understand/ memorize it better:thumbsup:.and I always looking forward to your opinions/answers..every time...if there's any query from others.:D

    Aw you’re so kind & funny! :heart: I’m certainly far from being a genius, but my problem is i remember books i like really, really well - which is exactly why i forbid myself from re-reading Pillow Book for 2 years (evidently, it’s still not long enough because i can still regurgitate so much <_<). It’s only fun to me the first time. So i need to wait long enough for my memory to clear so that it feels like first time again. I wish i had good memory and knowledge for something more useful... then i wouldn’t have failed every single maths test/exam in my entire life! :weary:

     

    @Sisca_TVXQ

    I LOVE the first pic with Feng Jiu dancing and Dong Hua playing the harp! :wub: Thanks for always finding sweet things to share here!

     

    @Leslie Mtz C

    Thanks for that update on our little sticky rice ball! I’m still a bit weirded out that a girl is playing Ah Li. :huh: It’s just not the same. I don’t expect them to bring back Hummer Zhang, but surely a BOY can’t be too much to ask!

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    [Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Three Lives Three Worlds The Pillow Book 三生三世枕上书

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    2 hours ago, chubby^green^ said:

    i only understand now that the story should be like 

    • fengjiu met donghua at mount something, he saves her, she felt indebted to him
    • fengjiu went to taichen to become maid to pay for him, fate didn't allow her to meet him though
    • fengjiu changed to fox to help donghua, again fate intervene, they are together but fengjiu was seen as only  baby fox
    • back to qingqiu, isolation
    • donghua shadow was sent to fanyin valley
    • fengjiu's shadow follow suit (tragic story of aranya and chen ye)
    • fengjiu's shadow come back (after the death of aranya, donghua's shadow didn't return as chen ye is not dead)
    • fengjiu went to mortal world once again with the idea of paying debts
    • donghua remain sleeping/recuperating i dunno...
    • fengjiu come back and continue her isolation in qingqiu
    • then we come to first chapter of pillow book where fengjiu rise from the water because of siming's story (during this time stone of destiny has rewritten their fate) hence they keep on meeting one another, and donghua keep getting attracted to her even though she did her best to avoid donghua 

    Yes! A+++ :D I’ve really appreciated your input from the beginning since you joined this forum. You’ve shared some really funny thoughts and bounced ideas with me and others in a really fun and respectful way. The best thing about you is you go back and re-read stuff when you realise you’ve misunderstood something or needed to re-familiarise yourself. There have been a few in the past who refuse to be ‘corrected’, even when given page numbers to read and thoughtful and thorough explanations, and can’t be bothered to simply open the book and re-read and think about it - yet they keep coming back to argue the same mistaken point and end up confusing others. So thankyou for your post and all the clarity it might bring to others too. Pillow Book has a very complicated and convoluted plotline, its timeline is all over the place - this is Tang Qi’s style and i actually love it because it works like a thriller. I love beginning in the middle of the story, figuring out things in the past while things are still developing in the present, then everything comes together and reaches a climax.

     

    For those who liked @chubby^green^‘s timeline, please let me continue it to the end of the book, so we have it all complete now:

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    • Feng Jiu keeps bumping into Dong Hua wherever she goes in the Nine Heavens - both because fate is working for them now, and because Dong Hua is really noticing her now - banquet pot incident, blind dates incident, opera singers incident, hot spring incident, drunk Feng Jiu incident, handkerchief incident.

    • Feng Jiu tries to avoid Dong Hua by turning into a handkerchief, but Dong Hua takes this ‘handkerchief’ to bed.

    • The next day, Dong Hua fights with Yan Chiwu, the ‘handkerchief’ is tied to his sword hilt - Feng Jiu and Yan Chiwu fall into Fanyin Valley.

    • Feng Jiu and Yan Chiwu spend 6 months in Fanyin Valley disguising as neighbouring Owl Clan students, and find Ji Heng already there.

    • At first opportunity during the ‘opening season’, Dong Hua enters Fanyin Valley to rescue Feng Jiu, and also to deal with Miao Luo (manifestation of the Hui Ming Realm toxins).

    • Dong Hua and Feng Jiu stay for the Saha Fruit Competition - he keeps her in his force field to train her for 10 days. They share an accidental kiss - Liang Song and Ah Li sees this. They are here to watch the competition.

    • Feng Jiu wanted to take Dong Hua out to dinner, but ‘everyone’ joins them - a flying plate somehow hits Yan Chiwu’s face.

    • Dong Hua sneaks into Feng Jiu’s bedroom to rub medicinal paste on her bruises. They get flirty and ‘almost’ kiss.

    • Feng Jiu wins the competition, Dong Hua switches out the Saha Fruit reward, Feng Jiu steals the fruit from the hall and is trapped by the pythons and the floating ‘Aranya’s Dream’.

    • Dong Hua enters the trap and takes care of her in some unknown ‘waiting room’ for 3 months where they share the most ear-splitting ovaries-exploding tongue kiss.

    • Dong Hua puts Feng Jiu’s body in a coffin and removes her soul - he enters the ‘main part’ of Aranya’s Dream where he intends to implant her soul into the womb of a pregnant lady to let it heal. In this ‘main part’ of Aranya’s Dream, everyone’s memory and recognition is altered due to the creator (Chen Ye)’s imperfect magic.

    • Feng Jiu mysteriously wakes up in Aranya’s body. Su Moye comes to her rescue and replaces his ‘past version’. He could take her out now, but asks her to stay and live out Aranya’s life to figure out how she died.

    • Dong Hua enters the dinner party as ‘Xize’ and spends time taking care of the pregnant sister. Su Moye realises it is Dong Hua but hides this from both Dong Hua and Feng Jiu.

    • ‘Aranya’ and ‘Xize’ go together to see the Yue Ling flowers.

    • Feng Jiu is locked and tortured inside the Jiuqu Cage for 5 days. The Celestial Fire occurs, she is rescue by Chen Ye, then dumped on the side of the road.

    • Dong Hua overhears Feng Jiu telling Su Moye everything she has done for Dong Hua - he realises how much Feng Jiu loves him and all that she has suffered.

    • Feng Jiu is drugged with an aphrodisiac and gets in bed with Dong Hua - he has to refrain from doing anything while she is still in Aranya’s body.

    • Dong Hua fights the river snake, Feng Jiu is back in her own body, and they share another passionate tongue kiss in the cave.

    • Dong Hua and Feng Jiu attend the Maiden Festival together. Dong Hua can’t seem to stop kissing her. She thinks ‘Xize’ has been poisoned by the river snake.

    • Feng Jiu acts a scene to trick Chen Ye to continue believing her disguise as Aranya. Dong Hua sees and misunderstands that she likes Chen Ye. Feng Jiu realises she is in love with ‘Xize’. They confess to each other and make love.

    • Dong Hua spends a week with Feng Jiu living in bliss.

    • Dong Hua leaves to complete the Miao Hua mirror. Feng Jiu is lured out by Chen Ye - she encounters Aranya’s soul and learns the truth about Aranya’s story from Aranya’s POV.

    • Dong Hua and Su Moye complete the Miao Hua mirror and learn that Chen Ye is Dong Hua’s shadow, and Aranya is Feng Jiu’s shadow - this answers why Feng Jiu’s soul did not implant in the womb but went straight into Aranya’s body. This is the missing link.

    • Dong Hua and Su Moye confront Chen Ye, and Dong Hua holds an unconscious Feng Jiu - they all look in the Miao Hua mirror to learn Chen Ye’s POV and all his misunderstandings with Aranya.

    • Dong Hua consults the Guardian of the Stone of Fate and learns that he and Feng Jiu have weak fate, but at least they have some fate -  transferred to them by Aranya and Chen Ye thanks to Feng Jiu’s perseverance.

    • Chen Ye drowns himself, Dong Hua retrieves both Aranya and Chen Ye’s souls and stores them in a small tree to plant with the real Xize. Aranya’s Dream collapses and disappears.

    • Dong Hua takes the memory-altering pill from Liang Song and gives it to Feng Jiu. She wakes up with all memories of ‘Xize’ in Aranya’s Dream replaced as if she knew it was Dong Hua the whole time - hence, they make love again and continue their relationship without a hitch.

    • Dong Hua takes Feng Jiu back to Tai Chen Palace where she spends 10 days making her sword case. In this time, Dong Hua secretly registers their marriage legally.

    • Dong Hua attends Feng Jiu’s Bing Cang Ceremony in Qing Qiu. Everything goes smoothly - Dong Hua helps defeat Nie Chuyin and it is revealed to all that Dong Hua and Feng Jiu are married.

    • Dong Hua and Feng Jiu spend a blissful 10 days at the Blue Sea while Feng Jiu recovers. After the bird performance, she dances for him and they make love on their last night at the Blue Sea.

    • Dong Hua and Feng Jiu return to Tai Chen Palace the night before their wedding. Yan Chiwu breaks in to their bedroom, presenting Ji Heng’s father’s claw. Dong Hua leaves to save Ji Heng.

    • Feng Jiu returns to the Blue Sea the next day. The wedding banquet occurs without Dong Hua. Feng Jiu waits for 9 days. She hears news from her grandfather Bai Zhi that Dong Hua was with Ji Heng in the Demon Clan. She returns to Qing Qiu and waits another 2 days.

    • Zheyan tells Feng Jiu she is pregnant. She leaves for the mortal realm, births her son there and raises Bai Gun Gun by herself for 200 years.

    • Dong Hua searches relentlessly throughout the celestial realm for 200 years. He forces Feng Jiu to return by declaring this is the final time he will accept any new immortals.

    • Feng Jiu brings Ye Qingti to the Nine Heavens. She meets with Dong Hua, he gives her a ring made from half his heart, and she cuts ties with him.

    • Dong Hua leaves to the Blue Sea to sacrifice himself to vanquish the Huiming Realm toxins once and for all.

    • Zhong Lin explains EVERYTHING to Feng Jiu. This is the first time she learns about the Huiming Realm, Dong Hua’s 100-year sleep, that Dong Hua never went to the mortal realm and it was all a cover-up - the Emperor was just an insignificant mortal.

    • Feng Jiu finds Dong Hua in the Blue Sea - she enters the ‘unbreakable’ force field and chooses to die with him. Bai Qian, Ye Hua and Mo Yuan arrive just in time and unexpectedly breaks the force field, saving Dong Hua and Feng Jiu.

    • The Huiming Realm toxins are sealed under Mount Kunlun - this will be revisited in Bodhi Fate.

    • Xie Guchou brings Bai Gun Gun to see Ah Li (presumbly at Tai Chen Palace). Everyone is there and realises Feng Jiu and Dong Hua has had a son.

    • Dong Hua gives medicine to an unconscious Feng Jiu when Bai Gun Gun enters the bedroom. Father and son meet for the first time.

     

     

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    18 minutes ago, Lena Lu said:

    Bai Zhen supposedly took a liking to Zhe Yan from childhood (can’t remember if this is in the book or just the drama) and tried to kiss him at 1 years old!

    Yes, this was in the drama. Everything implied in the book about their homosexual relationship was included in the drama, as subtly as it was in the book. :D

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    Speaking of OST, i suppose those of you who watch youtube would know the 3 songs most frequently associated with Pillow Book the last few years. There’s one written by Tang Qi herself, and 2 written by superfans whom i presume are also musicians in the industry. Linking them all here in case you don’t already know them: (Click on the bold blue underlined font)

     

    • The one written by Tang Qi

    There’s a high chance Tang Qi’s one will feature as one of the songs in the drama, though i doubt it will be the opening or closing song as it’s musically and lyrically not that great (not saying it’s bad).

     

    • The one written by a superfan/musician

    This one is actually more popular and well-known than Tang Qi’s one. My favourite. So many fan videos using this song. The lyrics are AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL and the melody is too, but unfortunately, the melody is borrowed from the OST of another drama, so it’s very unlikely this song will be used in Pillow Book’s OST.

     

    • The same song as above (dramatic version)

     

    • Another one written by a superfan/musician (dramatic version)

    I don’t know much about this one.

     

    Often fans get so attached to these songs but dramas want to promote new songs and certain singers. So don’t be too disappointed if you already love these songs but they don’t feature in the drama. It’s just like this beautiful song about Bai Qian & Yeh Hua written by a superfan/musician which everyone loved and associated with 10MPB for many years, but it didn’t get used in the drama or the film (note: this is a fan-made video using footage from the film).

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    7 minutes ago, chubby^green^ said:

    have to say though each time i come to this thread

    i will be seriously urged to read pillow books all over again

    i think by the time the drama aired

    i will remember the books words by words already

    :sweatingbullets:

    Hahaha! Please don’t read it so much that you get sick of it (is that even possible?)! :lol: I’ve only read Pillow Book once and that was in 2017. I promised myself i’m not allowed to touch it again until at least 2019. I might have to pick it up again before the drama airs. I need to brush up on my knowledge and remember all the details ready for the drama! I love being able to compare. ^_^

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    3 hours ago, Leslie Mtz C said:

    Yes!!! Haha and those kisses in aryana dream!! haha when I was reading those parts I aways thought "donghua what kind of books do you have in your library??? So this is why you like so much to read??? xD

    OMG i literally choked on my dinner laughing!!! :D We are all so familiar with Dong Hua’s serene and dignified expression when he’s sitting against a tree by his lotus pond, fishing and reading... ‘Buddhist scripture’.......... :w00t:

     

    ETA: To be fair, Dong Hua’s best friend is Liang Song, the infamous playboy! I’m sure poor Dong Hua has had to listen to more than enough on the topic!

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    13 hours ago, Leslie Mtz C said:

    I agree with redfoxprincess I think is a plothole , or maybe fengjiu in her most deeply thoughts or in her subconscious knew xize was donghua but the autor never gives us a hint of this so im going on with the plothole fengjiu never give a serious tought about was gonna happen at the end of Ariana dream I'm not sure if she concidered this world and  xize would desapear since the objective of Aryana dream in the story was fengjiu believe in love again and falling  in love  with donghua again and donghua learning all the things fengjiu go through , learning the weak fate between them and messing up even more  so we can get the the emotional climax at the end XD,  I think tangqi  didn't focus on  the plothole she was creating because the objective was other but i hope they can change this in the drama adaptation  

    That’s it! For Feng Jiu to barely give half a second’s thought to what would happen when the magic is over, yet basically throw herself into a relationship with someone she believes is created by magic, makes zero sense. :sweatingbullets: What’s most alarming is that Dong Hua is not the only one engaged in deception (pretending to be Xize). Feng Jiu herself is pretending to be Aranya and playing the role of ‘Xize’s wife’ - she believes she is successfully tricking ‘Xize’ into believing she is Aranya. So what on earth is she doing sleeping with ‘Xize’, when as far as she is concerned, ‘Xize’ believes she is his wife Aranya?! She never even considered ‘what would happen when Xize finds out i’m not his wife, I’m the Queen of Qing Qiu?!’

     

    Tang Qi is absolutely amazing at world-building, character development and storytelling. But she’s not so great at weaving together her inctricate plotlines and remembering the ‘seeds’ she’s planted - it’s the same in 10MPB, eg. Mo Yuan, who created the eastern bell, spends 70,000 years patching his soul together so he can wake up when he knows his soul sacrifice is exactly what keeps the eastern bell from activating and destroying the world! I could literally write a whole thesis on these plotholes. There were so many in Pillow Book, even if not major plotholes, then forgotten ‘seeds’ that were planted, e.g. Ji Heng’s embroidery on Dong Hua’s handkerchief, Feng Jiu without hesitation abandoning her own son to die with Dong Hua (Bai Qian also abandons Ah Li for 3 years after Ye Hua died even though she now knows Ah Li really is her son), Aranya’s mysterious drawing for Chen Ye’s 10th birthday (from Chen Ye’s Miao Hua Glass POV, he never even mentioned the drawing and he didn’t even meet Aranya until he was already 10, looked after her for 5 years in the snake pit, at 15 went to 20 years of archmage training, came back at age 35 to watch Su Moye take Aranya out...  by that time Aranya was 30. There’s no way Aranya could have attended Chen Ye’s 10th birthday to give him a drawing! Even stranger is Su Mo Ye claimed he rescued Aranya when she was 15! ). I don’t hold high hopes for the drama fixing these because Eternal Love didn’t fix (only added to) all the plotholes and mistakes in the 10MPB book which people discussed about for ages. I’ve seen many reviews/comments that say Tang Qi’s signature style is also her weakness - we all fall in love with her characters, she has a great imagination, but she has a hard time weaving the plot together without forcing her characters to make some quite left field, illogical, out-of-character decisions. Admittedly, Feng Jiu is young and a little naive, but i never saw her as dim-witted or downright dumb. :unsure:

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    8 hours ago, juniperbjuice said:

    @redfoxprincess

    Actually, I'm not sure she knew it was a mirage at that point yet. She knew she was in "Aranya's dream", but she didn't know the nature of the people in the dream -- "shadows" -- until after she had fainted and learned the rest of Aranya's history. In fact, it was Dong Hua who first found out that Aranya and Chen Ye were shadows of Fengjiu and himself through the looking-glass. Even Chen Ye himself didn't know he was a shadow (and therefore could not save Aranya's soul) until after he watched the events in the looking-glass.

    Yes, that’s when they all found out about the personal missing link. :) Yes, she didn’t know specifically about the shadow bit - that Aranya and Chen Ye were the shadows of Feng Jiu and Dong Hua. But everything i wrote in my post, she had already found out from Su Moye. The fact that these were their shadows doesn’t change anything, because she already knew the whole thing was created by magic, was in the past, and nothing was real - Su Moye explains all this to her upon first meeting and how he ‘stepped into’ his past version/mirage to replace it, and he keeps explaining what happened in the past to her every time they meet again. She knew that Aranya was already dead and her own soul was stuck inside the empty shell of Aranya’s body. Her only purpose for staying in Aranya’s Dream (when Su Moye was able to take her away immediately) was to help Su Moye by ‘re-living’ Aranya’s life to find out how she died. Feng Jiu already knew all this when she decided to stay and help Su Moye. (Granted, Feng Jiu didn’t know that Dong Hua was keeping her in Aranya’s Dream to wait until her soul was healed before taking her out, but from her POV, she was staying to help Su Moye.) BTW i love the whole Miao Hua looking glass thing - i wish i had one and could spy on everyone too hahaha! Jokes. :D

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    22 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said:

    I dont think like that at all, for me deep down she could feel that the emperor is not Dong hua thats why she keep rejecting him. But she fall in love with Xi ze because he is Dong hua. Even Dong hua himself said it right ?

    I get where you’re coming from. :) But that’s Dong Hua’s reasoning, NOT Feng Jiu’s reasoning. Feng Jiu’s reasoning (influenced by Su Moye) is that men like Dong Hua and Xize are her ‘type’. She then reasoned that Dong Hua is now happily with Ji Heng and therefore she needs to move on. She then decided that since the heavens had dropped in front of her a man that is exactly her type, she should grasp this chance. Retrospectively, it all works out. :D And we, the readers, know her choice is safe because we KNOW that Xize is Dong Hua. But i would have held even higher regard for her (and i already hold sky high regards for her!) if she had rejected ‘Xize’.

     

    On a side note, even though retrospectively it all worked out, it really wasn’t a wise decision at the time (or perhaps it’s a plothole?). Su Moye had already clearly explained to Feng Jiu that Aranya’s Dream is a re-creation of the past Fanyin Valley using magic, these are all people of the past and all these things had already happened, meaning none of these people are actually real (presently the real ones are much older or dead). Su Moye even specifically told her that the real Xize is currently still living in the mountains and also never once returned to Fanyin Valley after his marriage with the real Aranya. In Aranya’s Dream, it was strange to everyone that ‘Xize’ left the mountains and appeared at that dinner to take care of the pregnant sister. Feng Jiu knows all this, but just goes along with it. In other words, it’s a pretty bad idea to start a relationship with this so-called past version of ‘Xize’ who is created by magic and was married to herself as the past version of ‘Aranya’. AFTER sleeping with ‘Xize’, she ponders for about 2 seconds how she could get him out of Aranya’s Dream and then immediately dismisses the thought! Luckily, it wasn’t really Xize and we, the readers, know that. But as far as Feng Jiu is concerned, he is Xize, and that’s what makes her decision even more questionable. She is able to speak of the real Aranya, as distinct from herself, in past tense knowing that Aranya is dead. Yet, without much thought, she latches on to Aranya’s past husband ‘Xize’ whom she knows is created by magic and the real one is up in the mountains of present-day Fanyin Valley. She doesn’t question why this Xize didn’t behave as the real Xize did, i.e. he should not be there at all. She never considered that once the magic that created this mirage of a parallel universe is gone, everyone in Aranya’s Dream would disappear, and the real Xize in present day who still lives in the mountains has no idea who she is. Perhaps, we could say she believed that when everything and everyone disappears, it would literally be like as if she just had a dream, but that’s not her reasoning - she wanted to take ‘Xize’ with her even though she knew it was all a mirage - it makes no sense. Perhaps, because Su Moye had given her the ‘OK’ to be with ‘Xize’, she then jumped to the conclusion that there must be a way to get ‘Xize’ out of Aranya’s Dream and just assumed everything will work out, which makes her sound really dumb. (ETA: What’s most alarming is that Dong Hua is not the only one engaged in deception by pretending to be Xize. Feng Jiu herself is pretending to be Aranya and playing the role of ‘Xize’s wife’ - she believes she is successfully tricking ‘Xize’ into believing she is Aranya. So what on earth is she doing sleeping with ‘Xize’, when as far as she is concerned, ‘Xize’ believes she is his wife Aranya?! She never even considered ‘what would happen when Xize finds out i’m not his wife, I’m the Queen of Qing Qiu?!’) It’s super weird. Maybe she’s just incredibly naive, gullible and doesn’t think logically at all - and i don’t like that - but other times, she is mature, dignified and thinks things through even if she chooses to go the extreme. Feng Jiu, to me, has always personified one who doggedly follows her heart WITHOUT abandoning all wisdom and kindness. For this reason, i suspect it’s actually a plothole.

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