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This drama has been on my 'to watch list' and finally caught up with it. The Only thing that attracted me to this drama was Hyun Bin and Park shin Hye.
Don't really know much about these AR games and stuff, but i have some questions. In all the time that Jin Woo disappeared, the time span was about a year and CEO Park couldn't trace his whereabouts and even HJ didn't know where to find him. Was JW locked in the game? Doesn't he need to eat or sleep? these are basic human needs. CEO Park can certainly trace JW's credit card eg. if he slept at a hotel or had a meal somewhere. Even SeJu when he was 'locked in the dungeon' it was what a year or two years. Didn't he eat or sleep. I'm confused
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Have to agree that the ending was satisfactory. Most of the action took place in ep23 but they were dragging it for a bit in ep24 tying all the loose ends.
I can't say that JMR really got what she deserves for what she did to the people she killed for her grudge and greed and in the end hurting her own son even though she did wear the prison clothes she detest so much.
I had expected that the writers will leave us to speculate the ending for JEC and NMH since there weren't any kind of romance between them from the beginning. Maybe he will just remain her first love.
I didn't understand the part about Ahn Ho Kyung's will. If it was written before the drowning incident why did she address EC as PJ? But I have to admire JEC for not being affected by it and set out to do as he had planned.
Lastly, thanks to everyone on this thread it was nice reading up on yr insights into this awesome drama. See y'all in another thread. I will miss JEC.
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Since this will be the last episode I will only be watching after the subs are out so I won't be coming here to take a peek not even at the raw. Cheers to uoll and happy watching or reading which ever.
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I hope you guys are right about JEC faking that choking bit. Looks like in that scene JMR was looking at JEC as he drank the wine. Why would JEC be so darn stupid to be drinking wine with that old bixch. Its a trick. I think he will be showing JMR just how his brother was choking and gasping for air in the water and then laugh at her afterwards.
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4 hours ago, lu09 said:
Thanks chingu for ur analysis. I'm one of those who though JEC will do some jail time. I know JEC is smart but i was worried cuz I remembered when the slush fund management was given to JMR from JYCs mom, JEC was the witness lawyer and he signed the paper. Is he liable
I think the procecutors would most likely go after the big fish meaning the source of the funds. It will just be a waste of their time going after the small fry. Take for example the case of the chairman. Why are the procecutors after him for the borrowed name accounts? I'm sure he was not the one who handle those accounts but his aide or trusted assistant.
In this case the procecutors will come after JMR because she was the one managing the slush fund. I also believe that was JEC's plan from the start. He made sure it was JMR who managed the account when he deceived the chairman into letting JMR manage the fund instead of YC's mother. Remember that his target is JMR.
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17 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:
There is a possibility because he gave his own money to NCG, when the van and the money was stolen by JSM and Woo.
I think when JSM stole the money it was a blessing in disguise for JEC. You were right that JEC gave his own money but unlike fund accounts cash cannot be trace. NMH doesn't know about the stolen money from the slush fund.
What i always like abouth JEC's character is his composure. In a tense moment or when his cornered he was often composed never agitated sometimes i notice a subtle smile on his lips as if saying ' ahah i know what you doing, sorry but i have covered that'. And i think Jang Hyuk played that well. I think those of you who think JEC will go to jail have little confidence in him. Don't you think JEC would have address every possible outcome. Remember when he handed Woo the 10 yr plan for Cheong A, It would be ridiculous for him to fail now, going to jail would jeopardize what he has come so far for.
As for the NMH and JEC, i don't think they will be sailing off into the sunset. NMH will go into politics as she planned. JEC will leave Cheong A after he has set the ground work and hand it over to a capable leader.
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2 hours ago, lu09 said:
This was another one; when uncle got arrested. JEC told gramps straight on his face that he sent uncle to jail for tax evasion and he should hire a good lawyer for his son lol. The look on gramps was priceless hahaha.
Yes, the best part was when the gramps so confidently thinks that he can vote JEC out. When JEC told him 'if you don't vote for me i will reveal the list of borrowed name accounts to the public' gramps looked down speechless hahaha. It seems JEC had every angle covered. I really pity the old man but he got what he deserves.
@mimisl123 excellent observation there and i agree on that bit about the slush fund. JEC is smart and would have covered all angels when planning his revenge. I don't think KPJ will handover Cheong A back to JBC, he will hand it to someone more capable furthermore JBC's divorce from NMH because of the scandal with his mistress will have tainted his image.
Someone here was worried that maybe NMH will have second thoughts and go back to JBC. I think the writers wanted us to speculate on that when they showed us the scene of NMH looking sadly at JBC in the hospital and her flashback of JBC crying and begging her not to divorce. But i believe NMH is strong enough not to be swayed by those emotions.
There is one thing i'm confused about. When JEC asked JMR if she loves JSM she said she cannot love a man who makes another woman pregnant. Is not JEC the eldest son of JSM? meaning JSM was forced to estrange from Ahn Ho Kyung and made to marry JMR. I suppose JBC's sister is JSM's child. So there is no question that JSM was unfaithful in the marriage but it was JMR who had another man's child.
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6 hours ago, kismet22 said:
2) I thought that the KPJ / JEC reveal throughout Ep 21 was a bit funny..."what?! you knew that KPJ was EUC?!" "How did you know that KPJ was EUC?!" Everyone seemed to already know the "big birth secret" It just struck me as comical relief during an intense pressure filled episode.
there were a few of it in that episode. When JMR said she will not go to prison because she doesn't want to wear those boring prison clothes, JEC said: 'you have to because you can't be naked in prison' hahaha i can't help laughing.
5 hours ago, kismet22 said:1) JBC shoots and kills JMR his mom.
2) JBC shoots and kills Grandpa
3) JBC shoots and kills KPJ
4) JBC accidentally shoots NMH while trying to shoot and kill KPJ...if so, does NMH die an ultimate sacrifice of innocence. She has saved KPJ before....
i think it will be all 4. hahaha JBC goes on a rampage. It has something to do with the lawsuit to nullify the inheritance that grandpa had bestowed in advance to JBC. JEC wants JMR to give up her shares of the company and leave. If the lawsuit is brought to court the public will find out that JBC isn't a Jang lineage which JMR wants to avoid at all cost. I believe the old witch will be stubborn and not give up her shares. This will leave JEC with no choice but to file the lawsuit. Well its kind of pathetic ending for JBC.
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hahaha gramps calls JEC a lowlife but our JEC is double super awesome. I like how he cornered gramps until he can't do anything but to announce JEC as the chairman. This old man is evil to the core and a murderer even if he didn't kill anyone with his own hands.
JMR is hopless. She raised the white flag but the very next day colluded with JSM to remove JEC. hahaha just like gramps...every which way but loose.
NMH must be worried for her father after she found the front gate opened on two occasion. Whoever knows NGC is alive must want him dead. I think NMH made NCG reveal himself to the public for his own safety.
1 hour ago, sava2sava said:This isn't hard for KPJ but for G/pa removing him from all his authority and having KPJ succeed in something he couldn't do should be the justice he deserve having KPJ to build Cheong A towers and he has no say in this matter would be icing on his cake ..
Gramps was wrong about JEC wanting money like his father. JEC could have pressured gramps to admit publicly that he is JSM son and change his name but he only wanted to be known as KPJ. JEC's plan is to make the board of directors have more power in management meaning capable people will be running the company instead of how it was currently managed by gramps sole authority. Even Jang Sung Man admits that gramps is what holding Cheong A back. The Jangs especially gramps thinks they are pure bred and only they have the authority over Cheong A and any lineage born out of wedlock are considered crossbred? JEC wants to change the old man's mentality and I hope JEC succeeds in his plans remember his famous words 'I will make it happen'.
I just had a thought that JEC's plans on revenge was made easy by JBC not being of Jangs bloodline. JEC doesn't even know this until 5years ago. Wouldn't it have been difficult for JEC to remove JBC from the chairmanship if he was of Jang bloodline. JEC trained and nurtured JBC to the chairman position. I wondered what would have been his strategy to remove him if he is a Jang lineage.
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just watched the raw of ep21 wow! the exchange between JMR and JEC took almost 15mins. Haha such arrogance! she was laughing at him after he told her he is JEC and finally got down on her knees begging him.
1 hour ago, UnniSarah said:He never considered KPJ as family. He thought he owned him like his mom (JMR) said. She called him his servant and nothing else. But once he find out he was never in control, he feels betrayed. I can't wait for him to lose everything and have to start from the beginning.
I think JBC knows Sec Oh is his father but never accepted him. JEC told Sec Oh in one of the earlier episode that even though JBC knows his is not a Jang he doesn't want to find his real father because no other man is better than JSM. hahaha he is such and a**hole
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17 hours ago, purplebass said:
In EP 10 when Sec Oh finds out Pil Joo is Eun Cheon, he tells him that the following day the headline of the newspaper will be "Driver of the Jang family killed by Attorney Kang" or something and makes him promise he won't tell BC he's his father if he keeps the secret about him being EC.
You got that the other way round. It was JEC who said that if Sec Oh were to stab him to death then the next day's headline will read "the oldest grandson of Cheong A, Jang Boo Cheon is actually the son of Jung Mal Ran's driver Oh Ki Pyung. JEC is smart enough to tell Yong Goo to do that before going to confront Sec Oh at the country house.
About Ahn Oh Kyung i believe that after JSM's death and the incident at the river where JEC's brother drowned she suffered from depression and later died.
And have anyone notice that JMR's secretary has the same first name as JEC's mom? Could they be sisters?
@philosophie i don't trust preview either, they are tricky most of the time. The only thing i can be sure of in that preview is that the one holding the gun is JBC. I have to say again that JBC is conflicted character and he can be erratic at times. An example is the mess with YSW. He was ready to abandoned her after she told him she was pregnant but change his mind when they meet secretly in the US.
Well i'm sure everyone here is eagerly waiting for tonight's episode.
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32 minutes ago, mimisl123 said:
And it seems JMR is planning to Team up with the Uncle to Kill JEC.
Either way she's damn. The uncle is more eager to get rid of BC and and she will be finished when he finds out BC is not a Jang bloodline.
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3 hours ago, philosophie said:
if JBC knew Oh was his dad, wouldn’t he have been suspicious when Oh died of suicide instead of telling KPJ not to tell his mom? Or he thinks someone else killed his dad?
I think JBC is kind of conflicted. He found out he was not a Jang 5 years ago but only now did he questioned JMR about it even then he was not curious about his father's identity. When Oh told JBC he was leaving i think JBC knew it was on JMR's directive. If KPJ were to tell JMR about Oh's suicide JMR's response would have raised suspicion.
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5 hours ago, philosophie said:
now here’s two things I’m wondering about this matter.
1) when those guys brought out a knife, did oh know he was being threatened to drink coffee and he was going to die?
2) when JBC feared up from news of oh suicide, was it because he knew he was his dad?
for second, I think he just trusted oh and didn’t know he was his dad cause he said ‘don’t tell mom’ so I don’t thin’ he would say that if he knew oh was his dad.
For 1), i brought this up a few posting back. I think Oh kind of know at some point he will be terminated. He only stayed by JMR side to watch his son grow up and did all the dirty work to protect him. When he saw the man with the knife as if urging him to drink the coffee i think he was thinking that if it wasn't the coffee JMR would have hired a hitman and have him killed just like he had killed JEC's mother and brother. He is just some loose end that needed to be tied off for good.
2) I think JBC suspected that Oh is his father. In last two episodes we saw in one or two scenes where he confided in Oh about JEC as if telling Oh to kill JEC for him. When he questioned JMR about his real father it was as if he already knew the answer. Oh was the only man closest to JMR for many years.
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5 hours ago, kismet22 said:
@imgreatgal - Hi I'm new to this thread and watched the drama over the weekend. I kind of got the feeling that they did "do the dirty" on the evening of the BC's wedding. I thought JEC went into the room (after everyone got home) and tucked JMR into bed (she was on the couch wearing the long red dress/negligee and he carried her to bed) she grabbed his hand and then camera pans to the doors as they close. Don't think that he left....which creeped the heck out of me.
Well that is what the writers want us to believe Even you said you don't think that he left Maybe he waited until she fell asleep. Its up to one's perception of the scene. If you look at it, JMR is JEC father's wife and that makes her his stepmother. JEC maybe looking for revenge but i still believe at least i want to believe that he was raised as an upright person.
I noted that some of us here has already written the ending for JEC. Death? ah no please. Writer nim better make a good ending for JEC. He doesn't deserve to die. His father killed, his mother and brother killed no no no. Sec Oh deserve to die because he got blood on his hands. JMR deserve to die because she killed the father of his son for her own greed and she probably was the one who ordered Sec Oh to kill JEC's mother and brother. One more death could have been on her hands if Sec Oh had succeeded in killing JSW. Death is certainly not the Karma for JEC. True he will die someday but not a tragic ending.
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1 hour ago, azureblue7 said:
No.. KPJ didn't kiss JMR. He is too smart to allow that to happen. He won't kiss or have any sexual relationshipwith his enemy. That would be really losing himself. I think he knew JMR had a thing for him and so he manipulated that to his advantage.
you are so right. Having a sexual relationship with JMR would be to cruel on his part when he betrays her. Even though JEC is out for revenge we have not seen him act in a vile manner.
Thanks @zinaa for that pix of JBC and Mr Oh. They certainly have a resemblance especially the eyes.
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43 minutes ago, philosophie said:
I agree with you guys too. Her complex feelings for him were not initially anything more than him being a possible tool for her son to become chairman. At least in the beginning. But after 20 years that turned into dependence and I mean he even like, classically conditioned her with the champagne by getting her into this habitual routine where every time they drink it, someth8ng good happens. More and more he gains her trust and admiration.
I think you just sumned up JMR/JEC's relationship. JEC was very smart at making JMR totally dependent on him to make BC chairman of Cheong A. Up to this point JEC had handled everything from BC's mess with YSW and the DNA test by YC. I was quiet aghast when 'pedophile' was mentioned in the discussion about JMR's feelings for JEC and i don't think they ever slept together. I have no doubt that she was attracted to him in a way hey! JEC is a smart, intelligent hot blooded male!!! hahaha
Three things that cross my mind.
1. Sec Oh may have known that JMR wanted him gone as in dead. I kind of believe that he read the note before he sat to drink the coffee. The man with the knife was like urging him to drink the coffee. Maybe Sec Oh was thinking then that one way or the other JMR would have a hitman after him.
2. I find it odd that Chairman knew NGC is alive but never questioned JEC about it up till when they were at the hospital.
3. We were not told how JEC was able to hand prosecutors evidences of Chairman Jang's crimes. So whatever chairman Jang did to block him did not work.
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17 minutes ago, mimisl123 said:
Also i really wonder why Sec Oh did not mention JMR that KPJ is JEC when he last was with JMR before getting out of the car.
Huh! i wondered about that too but remember that when Sec Oh found out that PJ is JEC, JEC had warned him that if he were to reveal it to the JMR then JEC would in turn reveal to all that Sec Oh is BC bio father. I think Sec Oh feels that BC will be hurt and also by that time BC is already the Chairman of Cheong A.
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I kept wondering why BC didn't reveal to his mom that PJ is JEC. JMR would have Sec Oh killed PJ then. The way I see it BC needs JEC to be the chairman because he just doesn't have the intelligence to fight JSM and YC alone.
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episode 19 and 20 was explosive!!! can't get enough of JEC hahaha
1 hour ago, kohnlee said:I love that smile when YG said - I think we fail this time! It means he has plan B!
That is why i love his character. Even when grandpa said "how dare you want to be the chairman of Cheong A when you are born out of wedlock" and JEC gave that famous smile!. Serves the Chairman right BC is not even his blood.
I was curious at first about the pen. Didn't know that JMR's secretary is planted by JEC.
I think JEC would have suspected that Sec Oh was poisoned. There would have been recording of Sec Oh convo with JMR before he left. Don't know what was discussed by JEC at the police station. Knowing JEC he would have them run an autopsy before having the body cremated.
Wow! now the war begins....can't wait for next week episode.
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10 hours ago, kysy said:
Question: Does Grandpa know that JBC is not his blood descendant?
I think blood descendant doesn;t really matter to the chairman. This is a man who took the oxygen mask off his dying son. As JSM said, there was some chance that his brother could make it but the chairman didn't really care. In this respect i feel that the chairman's main concern is Cheong A. He made BC and YC fight each other to see who is more resilient and i don't think he cared if they resort to dirty tricks as long as the public doesn't get a wind of it and the chairman himself may have done the same to get to where he is.
7 hours ago, purplebass said:I don't think he fell out of affection for Seo Won yet. On the other hand, he threatened her so that she would back off. If she had had the press conference, she would've been an easier target because she would've been bombarded with questions about Cheong A and made lots of people (like Chairman Jang and Mal Ran) VERY mad. And Boo Cheon doesn't want this, so he's trying to scare SW to death so she won't go into the lion's den with their son anymore.
I can't understand BC's feeling for SW at this point. They were secretly together in the US for five years when he and NMH were there, at that point he made a fool of NMH. BC should have cut off his relationship with SW from the beginning if he really loves NMH. BC's actions towards KPJ is more of jealousy, moreover now that he found out KPJ is JEC while he has no Jang's blood in him.
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Awesome ep18. A few notes and questions here
1. What was NMH intention in playing that recording in front of Chairman Jang, what did she hope for anyway? The chairman is not the type to be easily intimidated and her response after she was snubbed by him was puzzling.
When NMH told her mom that she needs to do something before divorced BC, i sensed that she is trying to help KPJ. Is that why she is asking JMR for consoloation money?
2. Was there 2 necklaces?? The one that NMH found was KPJ's and the one that JMR gave to BC is a fake? I'm hoping that is the case. As always KPJ is very much ahead of everyone else. He had clearly change the necklace when NMH went to take it from his drawer.
3.I have a feeling that BC know Sec Oh is his father, especially when he told Sec Oh to make the wooden horse for him and NMH's children. And also the time when he was crying in Sec Oh room. It was like he was indirectly telling Sec Oh to do something to get rid of KPJ for him.
4.I hope BC's plan to get rid of KPJ by bringing back YC will only backfire and realized that the necklace he has is a fake.
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Caught on to this awesome drama a few weeks back after binge watched the first 8 episodes. This is my first post here although i have been reading some comments from time to time.
JH is just amazing as KPJ in this drama super cool. I super like his character. He is not one to be easily provoked. I have yet to see him clenched his fist like i've seen in most k-dramas. I super like how he swiftly resolved every issue. In ep16 just when i thought BC was going to find MH and her father in that house but he had already moved him to his home...wow! PJ is way step ahead of BC.
Finally, i noted that JMR kept saying to KPJ how BC is so much like his father. Does she mean Sec Oh or KPJ's dad? She must be saying it without thinking hahaha, KPJ must be laughing in his heart then.
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57 minutes ago, annagriss8 said:
JSW has refined the art of 'Bacting'...
hahaha this is is the first time i heard the word and you made me looked it up. JSW certainly does the best 'bacting' lol
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[Drama 2018-2019] Memories of the Alhambra | Recuerdos de la Alhambra, 알함브라 궁전의 추억
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Thank you @rori0711 for the explanation. I'm still confused though, maybe i'm the sort of person who can't see fantasy and reality coexisting.