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I click and the page didn't open. Could it be server failure? I'd like to read their take on this. I know in situation like this, not everybody will agree and sometimes we just have to go with majority rules and hope that everything works out. Unity at times like this is very important.
Let me know the link and if it's the same I'll try again later.
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tiffnle, thanks for sharing the draft! LOVE it, especially the choice of colors! Thank you for including us in this project! I felt so proud looking at the flag...especially happy when I saw the letter "J"!
Jay....let's walk together, hottest let's walk together!
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Just read 2OD announcement on tweet. Since I am a 2OD member, I've already canceled my album order etc. So let's make this work! Hottest fighting and let's all walk together.
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I like the sound of their new album, LOVE the teaser MV wannabe it was LOL so adorkable. Album on sale now? I'll check yesasia too for more info.
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EVERYONE has a say in this discussion (meaning please do).
If I were to change it so that we funded a decent (but not flashy) keyboard/electric piano for Jay, and the rest went into starting again for the banner, would the majority be happy?
I agree with funding a decend keyboard/electric piano. Hopefully you guys have contact that can give him the items and or his address. It'll be nice to get some kind of confirmation.
Edit: Proceeding with the banner and using any leftover dollars as gift good idea too.
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kdrama_queen2 , thanks for sharing. WOW the hardships...for Khun and Jaebein it's extra work because they couldn't speak the language. OMO. $300,000 for terminating the contract!!!
Hottest let's continue to fight for Jay.
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I completely agree. We spent 2 days figuring out what would be a good, ambiguous message to use. We passed it by the khottest UNDERGROUND group and they said they were "relieved" with our choice of words.
I must reiterate that Yoon has mentioned Jay telling him that the only thing getting him through this are his friends and family.
The banner can be seen from miles away, Jay could probably see it from the comfort of his own street.
But it is just my opinion.
Well, that's wrong, too.
I completely agreed with you. I'm checking twitter on updates, so thanks for keeping it updated with new info. The words on the banners I think are fine.
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JAEBUM'S FAMILY'S FRIEND SPEAKS OUT
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Hello, Park Jaebum fans.
I write this to you in hopes of reaching out, as I too, am the father of a son.
Again thank you for translating this.
I had tears rolling down my face as I read this. This is just so heartbreaking. I don't even know how to put into words how heart-wrenching it was for me to read this. Hottest...we cannot let all Jay's hard work disappear like this.
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brozzar, I donated $50...that's all I can afford for now. Hope it helps! Thank you so much for putting this project together, and thanks to all 2PM fans for helping with the $. I love having J. in front. Also, anybody from Seattle willing to take pictures and or make a video? That would be awesome!
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Let's not believe all these sightings of Jaebeom, before we know it... this thread will be filled with "I saw Jay at...." etc. I usually don't post and am always in lurker mode in this thread but these past few days...it seems like I'm posting so much. I usually post in the Kdrama thread and the photo thread...but there's a hold on me...until this whole fiasco ends...I can't seem to leave this thread. Jay Come back!!!!
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^NO, the tweet is from 2OD and we're all still waiting for more details to come out. That's why there's been a few pages of disbelief etc. over the NERVE of JYPE to add in a new member.
edit: nvm, oh tweet was in August
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Just wanted to let you guys know that Chico post a comment on his YT page recently, I think too many found his page and bombarded him with incoming messages. He said he was a little overwhelmed with so many messages and kudos to fans that are supporting Jay. I think there are also people questioning whether he was Jay's friend and why he deleted his comments about what Jay told him (fans are the only saving his career right now). Chico stated that he (direct quote from him) :
"i deleted the comments because i didnt want to add even more to jay's ordeal..."
So guys if you know his YT page please show some respect. He may be the only connection we have before that too is gone.
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This is from the 2OD forum. Please read for additional information. Hopefully this will help some of our Soompi 2PM fans understand why some decisions were made etc.
KHottests Clarification with the Terms of the Boycott
KHottests emphasize that the boycott is not intended against a person but rather "products" from JYPE. Management companies only listen to sponsors, instead of fans. "The fans are consumers. If the fans stop consuming the products related to JYP, its sponsors will pressure JYPE to listen to the fans."
They also do not want Jay to come back right now. "We want him to recharge as much as he wants, because we'll wait forever for him, no doubt." They merely want a promise that Jay can come back.
KHottests also reiterate that they are not doing this just because of Jay but also because of 2PM as a whole. 2PM's future is also affected and implicated. 2PM need their hyung back.
KHottests' Explanations for the Boycott (Why they took aggressive actions)
1. They are asking for JYPE to repeal Jay's withdrawal and for the possibility of Jay's official comeback.
2. JYP's official statement, as the CEO of the company, is dissatisfactory. KHottests are angry at JYP "for acknowledging the netizens' reactions toward issues about Jay, and not sympathizing with his circumstances five years ago when he wrote those words." "Jay's nature is blamed", a "violation of human rights".
3. "A huge management company remained simply spectating, saying that it's respectful, when Jaebum withdrew himself out of 2PM. Such action is as if the company pressured a young, powerless singer."
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"We argue that JYPE has the responsibility for this situation, because Jay's contract was 7 years. Therefore, Jay could not have "voluntarily" withdrew himself out of 2PM. According to JYP's writing, he says Jay "voluntarily" withdrew, and JYP couldn't stop him out of "respect". But since Jay is not free to withdraw himself out because of 7 year (solid and binding) contract, what JYP said must not be true."
"JYPE must have pressured him to withdraw."
4. They are "boycotting JYP's products because the pressure from the advertisers to the companies is more effective than the opinions from the fans. The effectiveness of boycotting was proven when similar event occurred in the past (G.O.D's case, the three major newspaper companies). (Past boycotts against JYPE were effective).
5. "The management company that aims for the world market should understand different cultures, but JYP's response was immature; it is ruining Korea's reputation in countries overseas." (This is JYP's inability to address the culture shock Jay experienced as a trainee. He rather referred to Jay's action as part of his nature.)
KHottests Ultimate Goal for the Boycott
To get a definite and concrete answer from JYP. To ultimately repeal Jay's withdrawal from 2PM. To assure us that Jay can come back to Korea, so that his dreams will come true and the five years of training and work will not be wasted.
FACTS Regarding the Issue
1. KHottests' resentment towards JYP, the person, is personal and not official. There is a clear distinction in their statement between JYPE and JYP. This is towards JYPE and JYP's official statement as the CEO.
2. No new official statement since September 10. KHottests emphasize that newspaper articles and TV interviews do not qualify as "official statement". "It can only be considered as "official statement from JYPE" if JYP and Jung Wook themselves said it so, or if they posted something on their official JYPE website." Decisions are constantly being made at JYPE, even workers at JYPE do not know what is exactly happening. Recent TV interviews also do not qualify as official news, since the name of the "representatives" were not included.
The last official statement states to only "respect Jay's decision", no more no less. There is nothing about Jay being able to come back, nothing about 2PM's future plans, and nothing else.
3. They are protesting to the way JYPE handled the situation and just let Jay take all the heat.
CONCLUSION
Driven by their love for Jay and 2PM, Khottests are only doing what they feel is necessary. They only want answers and closure. They only want to see Jay re-united with his brothers. KHottests just want answers. They do not want to sit in sidewalks. They would rather smile at the newest pictures of WooYoung and Jay laughing at Chansung who is eating. They would rather spazz with the fancam of Jay and Taec goofing off.
2ONEDAY's Commentary
2ONEDAY understands KHottests' stance and reasoning on this issue. We also commend them on providing reasons that is purely business. We can understand why they were critical on an official statement that is "lacking". We also understand why they needed to take aggressive actions. Time is of the essence. It only took four days for Jay to leave, how long will it take for these to be forgotten and for Jay to never come back?
Many argue that the boycott will be harmful to the boys. We ask you: Of all the parties involved, we heard from Jay (hours after the issue started), Jay's managers (a day later), and even JYP (as the CEO of JYPE, a week later). Who else haven't we heard from? Yes, 2PM as well as 2AM. Why? When asked about the issue, Kwon, who spent 5 years with Jay, was unable to answer. They were ALL not allowed to voice out thier opinion. Why not? Could they possibly say something that the company would not approve of? Yes. The boycott might be harmful to the boys, probably? How about what is harmful to thier mental state? They lost a brother who they spent every minute of the day. Would they rather lose on cd sales or lose a brother?
2ONEDAY has every reason to believe that 2PM nor 2AM are not blind to the issue and that they might even possibly support ALL activities of Hottests to bring back their brother.
PURPOSE of this statement
2ONEDAY stresses that this statement is for the sole purpose of having a better understanding of Khottests. We are not asking you to support their actions if you are really against it; however, we are asking you to re-consider these facts and take them into consideration.
We ask you to understand KHottests like we did despite our initial apprehensions. We just have to understand. We need to believe that we can do this. We need to believe that we have the ability to protect them and to defend them. We need to be together. We need to be one. We need to be united. For our boys, let's open our hearts. And keep fighting. Let's walk together.
Source: 2OD
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A little help. I'm trying to post on 2pm website but i don't see the message board. Is it in a certain section. Is this only for korean fans.
I just keep thinking he'lll be back. It can't end like this. I'm still watching wb over. jae fighting.
http://2pm.jype.com/ or click here:2PM Message board
Once you click, the page should open, scroll down past the YT video and you're see the message board. Type your LOVE message to our Leadja and press enter.
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hey guys first time posting, actually joining this site overall. haha anyways just wanted to acknowledge the question of 'why isn't jay writing to us? what does he want us to do'
i can pretty much tell you that he is, in fact, sending a tiny message somewhere in between the really really vague, blank lines. if he was giving up on his career as a whole he would have reopened his myspace and written you guys a 10 page letter complete with the 'gay' 'f this f that' ranting about all the unfairness he's having to cope with. and what better way to shove it into the face of the people who drove him away in the first place?
as frustrating as it may be for all the fans. in order to preserve his career whether it be with 2PM or not he's keeping quiet to meet you guys in the near future. the day he writes a letter actually explaining about THIS incident will be the day of him confirming that he won't be returning to his career in korea, sorry if i broke a million people's hearts right now. it's just the bitter truth. JYP will never let him step foot into the industry without making his life a living hell if he ran his mouth to the public even if it be that he was with another company. from the looks of it, he's still hanging on and i wish you all will do the same for him and just support him no matter how long this battle might take. even if the end might not result in jay being with 2PM, it wouldn't hurt to give the revenge he can't directly do for him right?
and no, i am not in any way related to jay park this is just my own personal opinion.
Thank you for sending us the message. I NOTICED that you are a new member so welcome to 2PM thread and letting us know the circumstances in which Jay can not tell us in his own words why he's so silent. With everything that had happened we understand why he can't say anything.
Okay hottest, let's continue sending messages as asked by our Khottest!!!
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I cant see how some of the people in here consider themselves to be a hottest when just because one member had to leave. If you were really a hottest you would support the rest of the group and their decisions. Yes is really unfortunate and sad that Jaebum had to leave but sometimes things cant be helped. The group has to continue on with or without him. Im not being harsh just understanding of the rest of the guys in 2pm and JYP. We should have some more respect for the man.People in here can be so heartless. Boycotting and such thats just wrong. You are not real fans. One member doesnt make a whole group.
What is the definition of a REAL fan? The boys themselves said they are NOT 7 but 1. Who has the right to tell another person they are not a fan just because they have different opinions? Can we really call ourselves fans watching Jay leave the way he did and not do anything about it? Can we really call ourselves fans by NOT doing anything when we know that CONTRACTS are binding and Jay can not leave without JYPE's agreement? It is quite simple to sit back and call ourselves fans and not doing anything, but it takes a lot more courage to actually do something. Khottest boycotting is because they LOVE 2PM. The fact that they sat outside for more than 2 hours, 2 thousands of them without causing any chaos or problems to the residents showed just how much they cared about 2PM, ALL of them.
It is of course so much easier to call ourselves and watch one member after another leave the group...yet if there's still 7 members with different faces...they are still 2PM right?
The name 2PM isn't just a name, it has meaning. The whole boycott thing is for JYPE to understand each of the members are special and they can not just let one go and think it's okay with fans.
Edit: If official statement come out from JYPE and Jay himself say "Damn, I'm out." Then of course we wouldn't be doing all of this.
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Okay guys, let's continue to make our voices heard! Go to JYP twitter, go to Youtube JYP official site, 2PM etc and let them know how you feel! It seems the site are being checked often so let's not stop. I actually just went and noticed that a lot of people are already leaving comments with JYPE about their disagreement with not giving a clear answer and possibility of a new member taking Jay's place.
LET'S CONTINUE FIGHTING FOR JAY'S COMEBACK!
Also those that spend a lot of money (like me) buying 2PM stuff...probably want to let them know how much it'll hurt them financially if they ignored 2PM fans. Since it seems all JYPE care about is money.
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So I know a lot of you guys had questions and I want to clear some of them
5: Will Jay come back?
I hope so. I hope that all you guys understand that all your actions are not going unseen. I think you may think that you’re just simply writing on a forum, you’re just a netizen, but you should know that you are a voice. It may not be the specifics but the more you all rally together to believe in any cause, it will be heard. The boycotts are currently and going to continue to hurt and effect the company.
No fan support = no money. No money = problems for a company.
Sorry for cutting your post, and thank you for the very concise and clear outline of some of the things that could be happening and are happening. The highlight in all of this is this:
No fan support=no money. No money=problems for a company. Assuming that Jay does want to come back...unless we hear something different officially, we then need to continue to support Khottests and support Jay. I refused to give up my HARD EARNED money to JYPE ...I refused to give my money to a company that think Jay is dispensable, I refused to give up my money to a company that crushed a person's dream in mere 4 days. Until I hear something official from Jay and JYPE, I will continue to support Jay and support that 7-1=0. I LOVE Khun, but my love for 2PM as a whole is greater.
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this is heartbreaking, frustrating and if it's true, i'm done with KPOP and JYPE...if this is true, JYP is just a bunch of hypocrite businessman....what's with saying we are family etc...if this is true, i''ll be forever hate him!if this is tru, we cant also guarantee the future of our boys, they also might get hurt as what happened to JAY..i wish they'll leave the company and i rather see KHUN acting in some lakorns in THAI rather that being manage by a bad insensitive hypocrite company!
How i wish i can go to JYPE right now, pretends to be MUTE and work as a cleaner at their building to get the inside scoop of what's happening!
i'm so pissed off hearing this new member thing and 2oneday is a reliable source for me!
Funny, I was just thinking wouldn't it be GREAT if Khun starrs as pra'ek in a lakorn? hahaaha, I bet lots of the actresses would love to be his leading lady. You know how in the Thai Entertainment really don't have anything much that caters to the teens? I mean the two teen lakorns with Golf and Mike was maga hits. Imagine if Khun was pra'ek in a thai teen lakorn? The rating would be off the hook!
I read on Iheartlakorns or another lakorn site that stated Khun did state his interest, however it is something that is work through with JYPE. But Dang, if I see Khun in a thai lakorn I will definitely watch and buy the DVD!
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I think NYC hottests made it on Korean Times News but it's in Korean so I don't know what it says. Here's the pic:
NYC hottests post it event, it's in Korean so I don't know what it says.
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All Sunnies!!! Just wanted to share that I just got a copy of Hye Sun's CD and was so excited that I wanted to post it here! LOL. LOVE her album cover, the hands that's covering the face...you can lift it up and inside you see a silly cartoon face almost like it's teasing you. Very cute. Ah, her music beautiful!
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That's actually a really good idea for publicity. It be like when everyone expected the White Ranger to be someone else, but it turned out to still be TOMMY! The green ranger to the white ranger, and Jaebom can wear like a wristband or something of the color white signifying his new pure and religious self since he's going to church.
hahaha awesome comparison with the green ranger changing to the white ranger!!! LOL, I couldn't help imaging for a brief second Jaebeom going from green ranger custom to white ranger! ahaha, go, go might warrior Jaebeom!
Anyway, let's all forget about this new member rumor until we hear sometime official.
Edit: thehazyfiasco, I agree with you. Once news die down it will be so much easier for JYPE to do whatever they want. I'm very concern too, just like this thread was moving so fast with concerns about Jay...now it seems some are willing to accept that Jay is not coming back and or accept that 6members 2PM is fine as long as no new member is added. It seems if we become complacent...which is what JYPE is counting on...JYPE will get away with alot of things. Whether Jay wants to leave or if it was mutual or if it was JYPE etc. make it official and let least give a news conference. Show some LOVE and RESPECT for Jay and the fans JYPE...that's all we're asking.
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Please let's not get ahead of ourselves. Jay will always be a part of 2PM. I know with no news and all these rumors flying around, if we give up...which is exactly what JYPE wants us to do...then what is the point of fighting for Jay? What is the point of telling him we will wait for his return?
What if these rumors of a new member is leaked from JYPE? They're testing the water, testing the fan's faith? What if the whole purpose of a new member joining the group is so that Hottests argued among themselves and become divided because half will feel sorry for the new member and the other half wants Jay back and demand an explanation from JYPE? I feel like JYPE is pulling all the strings and the only thing we CAN do to show them we will not give up on Jay is to continue with the belief that 7=1, 7-1=0 and 1:59 and the 1 missing is JAY.
Let's not give up on Jay hottest, he worked his butt off for four years...we can't give up on him.
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you know what , i'm tired already , i can't keep the faith or whatever anymore
it seems like whatever we do , they aren't listening at all , this is so frustrated , i feel so sorry for Jay ,, what would he feel like being replaces in just few days like that , they have totally no respect , no loyalty whatsoever !
i can't do this anymore , every time i keep my hopes up , things just get worse ! i now maybe just have to accept the fact that Jay is really not going to come back anymore !
and if Jay really do not come back , i'm done with k-pop , going back to american pop where it might be the place that Jay is going to be in the future , who knows , well at least the ppl there r somewhat less "gay" than these freaking busy body k-netizens !
Couldn't believe it when I read here that 2ONEDAY tweet they have news of possible new member! The first thing I did was just 2ONEDAY tweet and there it was...
It reminds me of when 2ONEDAY post that they had confirmation of something really bad happening and not long after...we all found out that Jay quit and was leaving! Ah my heart hurts so much but staying strong and hoping that it is just a rumor...but coming from 2ONEDAY they are pretty reliable...
I don't know what to say now...I want to stay positive SO all hottests, fans of 2PM, supporter of Jay...let's continue with the post it, letters, videos, boycotting...let's not stop fighting!
BTW, we have video uploaded on YT from Spain, Vietnam, Thailand, USA etc. wouldn't it be cool if someone can edited it into one video and send it to JYPE? I don't know how...hopefully somebody can.
☆ 2 P M ★ Official Thread ☆
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JYPE need to come out and make an official statement. We all need to know the outcome regardless of what that is...either Jay comes back and join his brothers or he's not coming back whatever. We all need closure and I think the waiting is making a lot of people restless.
JYP, JYPE look at us, HEAR us and please respect us....give us your answer!