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  1. I also agree with @Pollen Ainne. He desires the throne, in fact he once explained to the headmaster that his ultimate plan is to restore the empire to the glory of the previous one. That does not mean yet that he is willing to kill the emperor, but he wants to become the prince who will be chosen as an emperor. The convoluted actions he takes to get there are because he is also strategic: he said several times that he does not have much of support, that's why the headmaster suggested that he marries. He also thinks that he cannot do anything until he destroys the Chang family, something that the headmaster did not quite agree with. The prince took the Censorate position to destroy the head of the Chang family, which serves multiple purposes when it will be done. Other important motives for his actions are his feelings for FZW as well as his principle not to harm the innocents. These two motives make him sometimes to choose a more difficult path to attain his goals I have a question for people who are familiar with both the show and the novel: Does the series cover novel until the end, but not the ending? or the ending is something that happens in the book at some point, but the book continues after that point?
  2. As many others here have said, this drama is indeed exceptional. I got into it because of Chen Kun's performance, which, after 25 episodes (that's where I'm after starting watching it last week) is still amazing to watch. The main actress is also excellent and I find the character she plays very compelling. The story might be slow for some in the beginning. Personally, I did not mind it at all because everything is so gorgeous to watch and the acting is very good. Some people have complained that the plot is too linear, because one can identify the arcs easily. I liked this because there is so much to pay attention in the double meaning dialogue, that were the plot more convoluted, it would have been very difficult to watch. https://decider.com/2018/10/08/the-rise-of-phoenixes-on-netflix-stream-it-or-skip-it/
  3. About the time jump: there had to be repercussions for what EC did. He willingly disobeyed an order to return to America and then he engaged in fights with some Japanese people, causing an incident that put in jeopardy the relationship between America and Japan. The incident also ended with an American soldier being dead. @bedifferent already mentioned the shooting at the building and some of the things I've mentioned. Also at the martial court, he never says that he was with his wife because probably he would have added a new charge, forging documents. So without the wife explanation, there is not much that he could say in his defence. Only Kyle's explanation lowered his sentence. You seem to forget that she has a skill that is very necessary for the RA: she is very good at shooting people. Not many are, especially the young cadets. So she is not a unicorn, on the contrary, we were told and we could see many times that she is a very good snipper. So the story makes sense. If you and @linygirl1 are wondering why the king wanted her rescued, there are some reasons. First, she is an asset of the RA and the king does things for RA as the RAs does for the king. Second, the king admired AS's grandfather and probably felt guilty about what happened to his grandfather: recall that he dies because the king gave a lot of power to LWI. Third, when people are fighting about something together, they tend to have each other backs. What can I say? the political and the social are personal and vice versa. Would it make more sense to send EC to America and have him coming back right away? Only if EC was not a soldier and lived in a very fictional Korean drama universe. Since he lives in a semi-fictional one, one that follows up to a point history, he had to pay for his decisions. Moreover, from the point of view of the story, the separation makes sense: EC took a very hard decision for AS; if there were no repercussions for his decisions, then he should have taken it long ago.
  4. I'm also a fan who wants the two together. I also prefer things to get there in a natural way, not only because of fan-service. The actions of the characters make sense for now and I'm very happy with that. It would not make sense for AS to throw away her training as a sniper just to be together with a man. And it does not make sense for EC to happily accept to do Lord Go's bidding or to help AS's in her dangerous fight: he did not sign for this when he accepted to come to Joseon. As a soldier and strategist, he sees the fight as pointless, probably he is kind of opposed to this civilian rebellion--it is not as well organized and ordered as an army. As a lover, he worries because she takes up more and more dangerous missions--taking her away will be the best for him, but not for her. It is interesting that in the last episodes we mostly hear his own thoughts, but it is not clear that we should be so depressed about his remarks. He was and still is a reluctant hero, so it is normal for him to be pessimistic about what's happening. Because of this, I do not worry yet. Now the issue seems to me to be who will manage to change the other's point of view. Or maybe they will reach a compromise: one seems to be too much emotion, and the other one too much intellect. By not entrusting the protection of AS to Eugene, Lord Go made it clear that they need to find a way to live with their choices. There is also another aspect: even if this drama has a sad ending (which I do not think it will have), as long as it remains well written, we can always recommend it to other people and the discussion about it will continue.
  5. It would have been very disappointing if AS had such a discussion with Eugene. AS and Eugene have reached a level of intimacy where this kind of discussion is not necessary. Did he not say to her that he will follow her? What would be the purpose of a discussion about Eugene's feelings for Joseon? Half of the show was already focused on this aspect, and I think it was made clear that he reached kind of a peace with Joseon: he is reluctantly helping them. and he agrees to get more and more involved if it is about the safety of AS and the potter. and this was even before the things turned so wrong as in the last episodes. Yesterday many people accused Lord Go of being cruel because he showed the right path to Eugene: kill the Japanese colonel. The old man entrusted him with a dangerous mission: for a father that lost two sons in the fight for freedom, what he begs Eugene to do was not cruel. Is a doctor who cause you suffering, while trying to make you healthy cruel? Now you are thinking that it is not only cruel but also futile. Futile how? The colonel is a danger for so many, he is unnecessarily cruel...and that's when the term 'cruel' is used correctly. Why is it futile to get rid of a war criminal? As @ces8 rightly remarked it is difficult to understand what it means to be in a revolution. In my view, in the last episodes, Eugene got further and further away from AS. If he does not get more involved, his chances of ending up with AS will become smaller and smaller. He will become a futile character because the real fight has started and he is not in the middle of it. So instead of being unhappy about the fact he has dangerous things to do, we should be happy when he gets something to do. People who want a strong female character should also rejoice. It is good that AS did not lose track of her priorities.
  6. Yes, but Lord Go does not seem to be a cruel person. This is why I do not think he did it with the intention of ruining Eugene. And it is not clear to me that he necessarily wanted to keep Eugene and AS apart. But one thing that probably he does not want is for AS to leave the country. What he requested from Eugene was to sacrifice something for the country (not only for some Joseon people and something important). But I do not necessarily see this as a bad thing, for if Eugene really kills Mori, there would be no turning back for Eugene, he would become a Joseon person. If that happens, he would have bigger chances to end with AS. Because I do not see her going with him to the States.
  7. Yes, something along these lines. First, by using the black bird comparison, Lord Go acknowledges that he remembers Eugene. And also that he was impressed with Eugene's wisdom. Second, I think Lord Go tries to force Eugene to make a decision about his nationality. Eugene was always a character that hid behind his American nationality. He uses it as a cover, but also as an excuse. We saw him coming a long way from the first episodes where he did not want to have anything to do with Joseon, but he is still clinging to his American nationality. He helps Joseon people, not the country. (he accepted his instructor job for protecting AS and the potter). So I think Lord Go tries to push him even more out of his comfort zone and make him be clearer on what side he is fighting. EC is in the safest position now, for him there is always a possibility of leaving and we saw AS's scenes in America were very dreamy, it is like a paradise. It is in a way like the blue sky. By requesting to kill Mori, lord Go made it difficult for Eugene to have the safe alternative (I also think this safe alternative is more wishful thinking, for America was never so nice for Eugene as AS was dreaming). If Eugene kills Mori, I do not know if he can return to being an American soldier. So killing Mori, it is, in my opinion, giving up on being an American soldier. This is my interpretation, kind of very convoluted. Of course, there is also the easy interpretation: Lord Go is the black bird because he does not want to see Eugene with AS.
  8. I agree with you. Lord Go made a comparison between entering through the front door and jumping the wall. DM's methods to protect AS would be more devious than Eugene's and the grandfather deemed them more efficient. It is a chaotic time and Eugene's style is not well suited for this time. Moreover, I think Lord Go also picked on the fact that DM has better access to information than Eugene. And what happens afterwards proves him right: while Eugene plays with the Russian doll at the Legation, DM is already going to Jemulpo, although his yakuza boss probably stopped him. Without information, Eugene cannot do much. I also found it interesting that while DM was paid, Eugene was not. I think this makes Lord Go's decision ambiguous. Probably he started to trust Eugene in the end. It is also interesting that Lord Go mentioned the black bird story, so maybe in a certain way, he made peace with the fact that AS has fallen in love with Eugene.
  9. I do not know. But the whole discussion between the two is quite strange. First, he says that he will give her one last chance. Then he tells us not to get involved more. Then he cut her hair. I do not understand what this last chance is. At some moments, what he says to her sounds similar to what he said to the guy who later shot him (when he was curious why that guy would risk his life for defending the country). Moreover, do they talk loud enough to be heard by the bystanders?! On another topic: I am wondering whether the recruits would create problems for Eugene. He is the guarantor of one of them, and they seem to be foolish enough to try to kill LWI. And Eugene appears to make sometimes mistakes: like the blunder with the bullets. I think he realized that they are up to something, probably he guesses what, but sometimes he forgets that he has to act on the information he has. I'm afraid that now focused as he is on the new Japanese commander, he is more prone to making mistakes.
  10. I do not get your case, but if you ask if somebody cuts my hair without my consent: it depends. Is the hair something that I came to loathe because it symbolizes my inferior status, my submission to somebody else, whom I cannot directly disobey because we are family-related? Did the person do it with good intentions? If yes in both cases, then the cutting of such a symbol of my inferior status, even by another person, cannot be but a blessing in disguise. I like your question. I find DM to be a very interesting character right now, in a way in which he was not at the beginning of the story. There are some important changes that happen to him in the last episodes: now he understands that money is a fickle mistress, that his people are not safe, but he also understands that he can make choices because he is not like his parents. The danger with him is precisely that he is so free of any attachments to any tradition--he is an outsider. Can he make the right choices? What happened in the last episode is strange, and in a way negates his growth. But given the changes from the last episodes, like you, I'm also wondering if there is more there.
  11. I do not know about that drama, but I found in a book that indeed cutting the hair symbolizes cutting the ties with one's parents. The idea seems to be that one should value's one body since the body pertains not to him or her, but to his or her parents (it is part of the Confucianism ideal). This is why there was opposition to cutting one's hair. It seems that in 1920 a woman, a woman rights activist, cut her hair in protest. (for more see Eclipsed Cinema: The Film Culture of Colonial Korea, p. 196: I read from it on Google) If this is what the scriptwriter goes for, I think it might be that DM's message for AS is to cut her ties with her upbringing values and embrace more encompassing values. It might be something akin to Eugene's discussion with her about the reasons for which she fights. So until now, there are three possible explanations for DM's actions: 1. he was possessive 2. he wanted to help her by giving her a reason to stay put. 3. he liberated her of customs and encouraged her to fight for more than the nobler's ideals. But yes, until next week, it would not be clear what just happened, so it would be helpful if we get more reasons for why somebody would cut one's hair. I find it strange if AS were to be upset about her hair cut since for women, long hair is part of what the society expects of some women: pretty with long hair, taking seriously their feminine role. But she broke with most of the social customs when she started her love affair with Eugene. Having her haircut is the smallest problem she might have...
  12. I think it is too early to say that. From what we see in episode 19, DM just wants to protect AS and we do not know his motivation yet. there are two things that were made clear in the last episodes: 1) AS can be quite impulsive. The gunner told her not to visit the hut, but she went there. and now LWI caught on something about her birth. Eugene also kept her at the legation although she wanted to go to her grandfather. and he advised her that sometimes not to do anything is better. She uses her noble status, but now this is not of very much help. But there is an even bigger problem: compared with most of the other characters in the drama, AS does not have access to information. Her agency is crippled by her diminished knowledge of the situation. Recall that even in the RA, she is meant to be kept in the dark about the actual things, for her protection. 2) DM is on her side. Because of his connections, he has some insight into what's happening that is even better than that of EC. We do not know yet whether DM's motivation was his desire to have her for himself and deny her agency. Maybe it was a way to protect her, but because he did not have time to ask her, he did what's the best thing. Moreover, asking her what is best for her rationally speaking might not be the best thing to do: as I said, she does not have much knowledge about what's happening.
  13. Yes, that's what I am saying. The drama makes it clear that the hospital made a lot of money in the past. This is something that the president explained in episode 8: at first, he did not believe that the big four hospitals make a profit, but after checking the books and discovering the reserve, he said that his hospital went from red to black. From what I heard about the non-profits, this is not surprising. Many and probably the most successful non-profits make money, but their books cannot show this. This is why they allocate the extra money for some kind of expenses: practically, they hide the money because they know that they need it and once taken, they do not get it back. Moreover, in episode 2, the CEO says clear that the hospital needs to generate revenues for the entire group. and he explains to president Gu why: First, his other subsidiaries will not be profitable for much longer. Probably he invested in something old-fashioned (we saw him complaining that he did not enter on the phone market.) Second, people would always need health care. What the company does is to exploit this need. They sell then more expensive drugs, more expensive insurance, and the most interesting aspect on which the show insist, they use their data to target them with things that they know they would need. Remember the interesting discussion in the first episode how the data of the patients will be used to increase their insurance's premium. So, yes, the CEO sees the hospital not as a problematic subsidiary in need of being rescued, but as the one subsidiary that would save his company.
  14. @rubie thank you for the pictures. I love how LBH plays Eugene, but the scene of the hug was really really something else. I do not know if it was in the script that he needs to cry, but he was amazing in that scene. and even his reaction before, when he caresses her hand and the surprise on his face as if her hands are too small or too something. and I love that KTR's face showed something else than the usual surprise that I see so often in Korean drama and do not understand. She was somewhat confused by his sudden hug and pained by his pain. maybe she even understood the gravity of what they are doing, because it is not clear that this will end well. I think it ends something for Eugene, but I am not sure what. It is interesting than the rest of the episode is about his parents again. Maybe it is a new stage of grief. He finally made peace with what happened to him and his parents. I want to hear people's thoughts about why he responded only now to AS's hug. and how people understand his emotions in that hug. For me, it is not clear why he cried. I find that crying makes the scene more powerful than it could have been otherwise. Did he cry because he did not lose her? Did he cry because she is the only one that he has and the only one that understands him? did he cry because he founds the whole situation so frustrating (he wants her, but he cannot have her). So why do you think he cried?
  15. I agree with a lot of things in your post, but this is something that I do not agree. I do not see why for the hospital to stay afloat it is necessary for it to become the milking cow of the Hwajeong corporation. 1. First, the hospital is in no need of staying afloat. It stays afloat very nicely. In ep. 8, the president mentioned the hospital's reserve found for essential business. When he mentioned its amount, even the CEO was surprised. 2. The CEO said that the plan is for the hospital to generate revenues to keep afloat the entire group. (ep. 4) His strategy seems to be to put the hospital to buy things to keep afloat the corporation. I imagine this to happen with the new building: a subsidiary will construct at a price decided by the corporation. The same happened with the drugs too: they are useless and expensive, something above the market price. 2. Didn't the president purchase the land for the new hospital and paid well above the market price? what he did was a favour/bribe to a politician, but the favour serves not the hospital but the CEO. I find the drama brilliant because it pays attention to this new aspect of health care industry: there is a lot of investment from corporations because of its profitability, not lack of profitability. (in fact, dr. Oh makes this point when they discuss the strike) It also shows that all these discussions about privatizing public services because they are not profitable is a kind of BS. I take your point about inclusion. But there might be a reason why dr. Oh did not request a raise in salary for the nurses: nurses have their own union. Should she solidarize herself with them, even before they make any claim? If she were a communist, yes. But she is not. In fact, dr. Oh said that she agrees with the president that they are not running a charity there. Her point of view is that the hospital needs to buy things to stay on top instead of investing in the salaries of people. I can see how this can go wrong, but for now, her position is not completely wrong. Investing in technology can help even the nurses. (But this is speculation, we need to see more of what she is thinking)
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