[Zanilia Zhao Liying 赵丽颖 Official Thread]

A year ago, I have no idea who Zhao Li Ying is. 

Came to cdramas after the slump in kdramas, bumping into Princess Agent due to those rave reviews. 

 

Introduction to ZLY was to cool and ferocious, yet rather depressed Xing'er/ Chu Qiao. A fighter for freedom, who doesn't put her own life or happiness on forefront. 

Although some of her actions were frustrating, I could understand her intentions. 

Love was never the main driving force in her life, as she strives for freedom and dream, of a place free of slavery. 

Whilst I thought her acting was solid, her character was rather depressed and serious...

 

Which brought me to Boss and Me (Shan Shan comes to eat). A total change! Her character here is simple, bubbly, and cute! She stands by her own beliefs and principles, but never truly ambitious, and is a totally happy go lucky girl from the village! 

 

She made it huge in The Journey of Flower, and after watching, I could understand why...

Her portrayal as the young innocent HQG, her journey to her doomed love, the pain of her losing everyone dear to her one by one, finally turning into demon...I was sold. 

 

She got my attention then, not for playing Shan Shan, Hua Qian Gu or Chu Qiao, but actually capable of playing 2 end of the spectrums flawlessly. 

As someone who fought for everything but love as CQ, and as someone who wanted nothing but love in HQG. 

 

Then she amazes yet again with guest starring in Mystic Nine with her comical side, dominating pretty much all the scenes she was in. 

 

Just as I thought I have seen her in every type of character, she raised the bar again with her versatility, playing subtle ,calm, collected, subdued Sheng Ming Lan in The Story of Minglan. 

While some felt her portrayal as ML was underwhelming compared to other characters, I felt there was a quiet determination, subtle confidence about her. Her perceptiveness, astuteness was a delight to watch. 

She exudes charisma yet maintained the innocence of a young lady. 

The change from a self preserving young maiden to a woman, learning to navigate around the treacherous world, learning to love her husband, to a mature Marchioness was a delight to watch. 

 

Personally, I felt she did well in picking her latest project before taking a break from her work. It ended her first stint of her career on a high. 

Hopefully she'll be back soon from her break and new baby!! Looking forward to see her back in action! 

 

 

 

 

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On 2/15/2019 at 4:52 PM, nichiwoohee said:

Yingbao’s weibo update

 

Any kind soul could translate it?

 

@nichiwoohee translation:

"Despite seeing and understanding the ugly side of people, still believes in the kind nature of the human heart. 

After going through and witnessing life and death situations, hopes for quiet and peaceful life, with all family members well. 

Tonight, Ming Lan will be watching the last episode with you"

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1 hour ago, frenchfan said:

Oh nooooooooooooooooooo  I don't want it to end.  

Me too!! I've been following the show religiously for the past 1.5 months and it has been such an enjoyable ride I don't want this to enddd! 

 

25 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

From what i've learnt to differentiate a woman's and man's buttoned-up tops,  is that the button on the woman's usually on the left so from what i'm seeing here, it seems like it's a woman's coat but y did she get an oversize one? i would like to think the opposite, it's FSF who got it for her so they can both wear it , maybe he too likes the smell of her on the clothing ...haha, but seriously i think she got it to hide her pregnancy.

Hahahah. So it's actually FSF wearing ZLY's clothes and not the other way around! That's cute! 

I reckon she looks cute in the oversized coat too since she's so small! 

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10 minutes ago, minoku2209 said:

Yingbao's news. I'm always happy whenever she's happy. 

 

Her comments about FSF really reminds me of how GTY cares for ML. 

Always buying her food, ever so gentle and caring! 

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Agree with OGT. As much as I liked ZLY and I thought she nailed LQ as a character like she always does, the story just got a lil all over the place and suddenly we get everyone else getting screentime at the expense of her's. 

So I'd tend to agree that it's a let down. 

 

But TSOML is really building up nicely. If this continues, its another one of her masterclass series! 

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4 hours ago, leeza77 said:

In fsf's interviews, he said that he supports zly's acting career as he knows acting is her passion. She will come back with more great work. In minglan the director praised her acting as perfection. The highest point of acting. 

That's good to know that FSF is supportive of her coming back. 

 

I don't think it's whether she can come back because she does have pretty solid acting, but more of would she want to with the marriage and kid, so for FSF to say that is very encouraging. 

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1 hour ago, jewelsc said:

I suppose if Minglan does well by the end of its run then i think she will still be in demand and now that she will be on her maternity it's pretty obvious they will give her the time until she is ready again or maybe as @hello210 commented, she will have to balance her career and her family life by either hiring a nanny etc for her to come back sooner.  But if Minglan doesn't do so well, will they just consider her as one of those superstar who has had their time  bcos there seems to be alot of new and upcoming actresses they can consider instead?

Minglan isn't quite like normal "mainstream" series tho. It's..slow...

I'm watching ML because of ZLY as I'm interested to see how she would portray the character which again seems different from the other characters she has played.

Still, there are episodes (ie ep8) that ZLY appeared for like...a minute??

I'm watching because I quite like the production and when ZLY appears, I like her quiet confidence and intelligence. 

 

But I wouldn't be too surprised if it doesn't do as well as her previous projects. 

 

But I do hope she can still make a comeback regardless of the result of minglan. 

As mentioned by @hello210 PA2 might be a good one! I still feel there's so much more potential in CQ that she could develop! 

 

 

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@jewelsc your timeline is probably more practical. Was just hoping it will be sooner. A part of me hopes she will be back soon especially since she's doing really well, and reaching new heights with her every project, so ride on the wave and reach for the stars!

At the same time hoping that she will take the opportunity to rest up, recuperate and focus on her life outside work, and her new family..

I'm just full of contradiction...

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6 hours ago, icyphoenix said:

She is pregnant.. Wow!! Congo yingbao 

 

So happy for both her and FSF!!

 

As a viewer, I'm sad for it means she probably wouldn't be back to work for another year or so, and we wouldn't see any more of her shows next 1.5 years at least?? 

 

However, very happy for her as she starts another chapter of her life! 

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Only started watching cdrama few months back, and after reading all the hype about PA, and I thought the female lead was pretty good. 

 

Then I followed up with journey of flower, boss and me, and legend of Lu zhen. 

I could then safely conclude:

a) I like her. She's cute (those eyes!), but not annoying, and the way she plays the different characters, I'm actually convinced whether she's the easy going Shan Shan, the innocent Qian Gu, or the utterly stubborn to bitter end strong warrior Chu Qiao/ Xing'er. 

 

b) she picks good characters to play. 

Mostly someone who could stand for herself and not perpetually a damsel-in-distress in need of saving! 

Even when I disagree or dislike CQ for being so stubborn to still support YX after heading to Yan Bei, I could somehow still understand her, and ZLY really slayed that character that simply doesn't show much.

 

Now I'm looking forward to her playing Ming Lan. I quite like what I'm seeing so far, with her meek/ quiet/ unassuming ways, you can still see that she's a lot more intelligent than she lets out! 

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22 hours ago, DOCDOC said:

i dont understand your confused. if she not an actress, what do you think she is?do you think she is an idol because she can speak well, sing n dance? many actress can speak well too. she debut an actress since child 15 years old. 

Hahaha. I don't mean that. It was a generic question on what is the diff between an actor/ actress and idol. Nothing to do with PSY or KRW. 

Just saying that PSY is also being idolised in a lot of ways, does that also make her an idol? And yes, I am aware she debuted as a child actor, in stairway of heaven, and actually won an award for that portrayal too. 

Thank you for the explanations @akhenaten @zia28 @Kasmic . I think we are on the same page then. 

Wow @thao_2512. Great explanation with supporting articles. Loved it! 

I've watched snippets of 3 meals a day when PSH plays guest in YouTube, but I finally watched the full episode yesterday. Omg, is there anything she can't do???! She built a freaking stove?! *bows* 

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Question: what's the difference between an idol and an actress? @akhenaten @DOCDOC

I guess, an actress is someone who acts, a singer someone who sings, but what does an idol do?

For it seems like in SK, there is a huge diff between the 2, but I can't seem to find the definition of its differences anywhere other than idol tend to appear in public more comfortably, while actor and actress are better in their work.

Ive always been a bit intrigued on who falls under which category...

KRW def seems more like an actor, as he's not flower boy enough to be idol, and as most have put it, he's more introverted and doesn't enjoy being with the public as a celebrity. Not to mention, his acting is def rock solid 

While PSH seems more borderline, as she's been pretty well known to speak well in public, and behaves very well resulting in general public liking her so much. But considering she started acting since she was a child, and the fact that a lot of articles have acknowledged that she is one of the best in her generation in acting, makes her an actress too? 

I'm confused. 

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33 minutes ago, akhenaten said:

Now that the series has ended, I find myself re-watching scenes, getting fresh insight into them, which I couldn't do when I was watching them for the first time coz I was too excited and hyped up then.   

One of the things I found myself looking at more closely are the differences between Ji Hong and Yoon Do, the two men who loved Hye Jung.  Soo Chul doesn't count coz he's like the male version of Soon Hee in Hye Jung's life. 

If I think about it, Yoon Do might have been a good match for Hye Jung too.  He was also stubborn and independent-minded.  Though born into a wealthy family, he was principled enough to choose his own path and to espouse values that are different from his family's (case in point being his father's womanizing ways, which he and his uncle Pa Ran briefly touched upon in one of their first scenes in the series and which Yoon Do doesn't agree with).  He may not have liked Hye Jung in the beginning because he thought she was arrogant, but he never looked down on her for the fact that she wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth.  When he found that his initial impression of her was wrong, he was willing to change his mind and opened his heart to her.  

Yoon Do, like Ji Hong, is a talented neurosurgeon, although Ji Hong is definitely more senior and experienced.  Yet one can see the differences in their maturity with their style of surgery.  Yoon Do still has a tendency to be brash, reckless and hot-tempered, as evidenced by his reaction when Kim Tae Ho was micromanaging the surgical procedure he was doing for Chairman Hong.  He lost his temper then and even raised his voice towards his superior.  This attitude is also evident in his interactions with the residents and nurses.  Yoon Do still has a tendency to act like he's got a stick up his you-know-what, as the English saying goes.    Then when Kang Soo was choosing the doctor who would perform surgery on him, Yoon Do's plan was for a total removal of the growth, while Ji Hong opted for a partial removal because he knew it would have an adverse effect on Kang Soo.    And with the surgery for Jin Myung Hoon, Kim Tae Ho went for Ji Hong because he knew it was going to be a very delicate and dangerous procedure.  

Maybe that's why Ji Hong makes for a better partner for Hye Jung.  She's already hot-tempered and brash, too much like Yoon Do, and if she ended up with someone similar to her, they would eventually clash.  Ji Hong, from experience, already knows when to push forward and when to back off.  He knows when to be gentle and when to be firm.  He also keeps his cards close to his chest and lulls people into complacency, making them think he's harmless until he strikes.  By then, it's too late.  Whereas, Hye Jung and Yoon Do are both very straightforward and tend to go full frontal attack-mode so their enemies are already able to prepare beforehand.    

I dunno.  I think I'm just thinking out loud.  Or going through one of my massive withdrawal symptoms after a drama that I like ends.  It's like when I finally finish a good book.  Takes me a while to get over it.  Sometimes I never do.  I just re-read the book.  Or in this case, watch the series all over again. 

good observation! I noticed the similarities between HJ and YD a bit too...

one of the scenes that I notice the resemblance was also one with SW. HJ said she can't control who YD likes, and she can't control who SW likes, so Why does SW gets upset with her (HJ) for it? And then later, in another scene with YD, YD said to SW Something rather similar. HJ can like who she likes, and he can still like HJ just because, and it doesn't mean he has to force HJ to like him back...

they are both a bit of all or nothing kinda person, with no middle ground. And that's why as much as I liked YD as our Siberian husky, I can't see how he could soften HJ up, cuz their similarities would also result in their clash...when both doesn't give in, the relationship fails. 

While with JH, he clearly has the advantage of knowing HJ since she was young, and he knows how stubborn she can be. And when she doesn't give in, she doesn't. JH handles her very well in this aspect. He knows when to push her, when to reason with her, and when to give in. 

When HJ said "I don't like my dad. I won't ever see a person again if he asks me to get close to my dad" to JH in one scene. I...and I believed JH too, believed her. 

And after their argument in Ep 17, HJ is clearly being herself again, and doesn't hide it that she's still mad at him after that. Again, we see JH took a step back and went to her, literally saying "if I don't meet you today, you may not want to see me ever again..." JH I the end still managed to "win" by making HJ puts revenge down, but not via going into the battle head on everytime. 

YD would have made a very nice partner to HJ, because he really supports her, even in her revenge. But it doesn't necessarily helped HJ to be a better person. I guess YD is a lil like what we want, but JH is what we need...

in the early episodes, when JH first became HJ's home room teacher, he told hameoni "HJ is very intelligent. But she needs someone that guides her, rather than praises"..and that's what he did then...and what he did 13 years later, as her mentor, and lover. 

JH opens up her heart, guides her to happiness, to let go of revenge, to find peace. He didn't need to tell her exactly what to do, because he knows she will figure it out eventually....and HJ knows it too, hence she knows JH is her pillar in life...

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2 hours ago, thao_2512 said:

I'm not sure who said that. Probably I didn't have time to back read but Pinocchio is a very well made drama. It's one of the dramas was critical praised along with Punch at that time. 

Don't believe what people said and check out a few ep for yourself first. 

Inha is no where close to typical heroin. Just because she doesn't have high IG or beating people doesn't mean  she isn't a strong person. In fact she never waited for anyone to save her. She always defend herself first

She called her beloved mother trash in her press conference  How weak and typical can she be, right?

PHR, Pino writer,  is by far a much better writer than HMH, who wrote Doctors. I always look forward to her projects. Her female leads are awesome.

They have a perfect cast too. You won't be disappointed 

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TOH is a a melo drama so it's very heart breaking but the role is more of typical heroin than any anything lol because it was made 10 years ago and it's 1st lead role was offered to her.

It's a sad drama with great acting. I was impressed and became her fan because she can do so well at 16

You can try Flower boy next door. It's also slice of life drama and Dokmi is one of my fav roles of her too

I second that. Pinnochio's script in terms of plot is actually a fair bit better, and I loved the writer too. And personally, that's my personal fav PSH drama. In Ha is actually very well written too, and quite charming in her own way. That press conference scene? Was soooo good, I felt she delivered those lines even stronger than when LJS delivers them first hand to her. 

If anyone is interested in PSH's work, I'd def recommend Pinocchio. 

Having said that, I also feel Yoo Hye Jung is PSH's best character played to date. Hye Jung may be smart and all, but she isn't without her flaws...stubborn, cynical, argumentative, AND competitive. But PSH just made her so charming! 

Not quite sure I can say the same about flower boy next door though. I didn't like that all that much. 

I might now give Punch and Trees of Heaven a try. Never been a huge fan of melo, or hardcore stuff, but would like to see both KRW and PSH performance in them. 

I never understood why PSH is so popular in Korea, but after seeing HJ and In Ha, I watched some of her older works, and I think I'm beginning to understand why...she has achieved a lot at her age...and she can really act. 

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I've been hesitating to type my thoughts now that it is truly over because 1) I'm still in denial mode; and 2) I'm so behind that I thought this thread would be dead by now. But seeing this thread is still active seems to tell me that I'm not the only one finding it hard to let this go. 

Let me start by saying: This isn't the best kdrama I've watched in terms of plot line. And this isn't the best kdrama I've watched of PSH, or KRW of that fact.

There were a few loose ends and opportunities wasted. SH, YD both remained rather under-developed. SC's appearance ended pretty abruptly as well, considering he's not just another patient but someone that has a connection to HJ's past. But @akhenaten , you totally nailed it when you said this isn't a drama about plot lines. It's one about character development. And that, changes everything. 

When I first started watching, I expected stronger plot. Midway through, I've gotta admit there were too many side stories. Only to realise then that this is not about a plot that will blow my mind, or throw me off the seat. It's about growth in our characters. And when I started watching from that angle, I realised how beautiful this drama truly is. 

It is indeed a very well developed drama for characters that matter, mainly YHJ; and to some extent JH and SW. 

I loved that ending to be honest. 

I loved how SW didn't transform overnight. She took a lot of baby steps along the way, to understand others, and to see things beyond what she "thought" they are as she sees fit. I like how she could finally see things from HJ's side, when she argued with her dad about why he has to hurt her and kill her dreams off. That she addressed the issue rationally. The part where she  knelt down and apologises, I cried. Like a baby. Because it shows so much. that she knew all along she threw away their friendship, that she truly felt sorry for the harm she and her dad has inflicted on HJ. 

I loved how as much as HJ meet up with the dad, they didn't exactly reconcile. She shows a lot of maturity when she said she will be there if he's sick (because no matter what, he is her dad), but otherwise she really do not want to see him because she has no fond memories of him...at all...to me, she made peace with herself with that conversation, she stopped hating him, which sometimes takes up a lot more space in our heart than we realise. As much as it seems like she "forgives" him to a certain extent, I think she forgave herself. As she said earlier, forgiveness is for oneself, and not the other person. 

Most importantly, I loved how we see HJ's transformation over the course of the drama, all the while seeing her being the catalyst for change to the ppl around her. 

YD changed to a better person, being more considerate of the ppl around him (like SW said, he wouldn't have been involved in anyone's affairs previously). 

HJ has in one way or another, forced SW to change. Or perhaps, just past her inferiority complex with HJ, and judge HJ, as well as the ppl around her a lil more objectively, including her own family members. 

And of course, her own growth. 

I liked that the writer didn't have to bring out the white truck of doom or more tumor to JH's character to bring HJ to the realisation that revenge doesn't lead her anywhere but a dead end, and unhappiness. I loved that HJ learned to let go and make peace from seeing how JH would sacrifice for her because he loves her. In a way, it shows her that JH acts on his words, and hence it weighs a lot more than just words put together for the sake of making her let go. While she only got hurt and angry from their argument, she learned to appreciate what she has from his actions. 

I loved that HJ never once hated SW despite what she did to her, despite all that has happened because in her mind, SW was once kind to her, and she has helped her. That SW was once, her friend. 

I loved that as much as HJ has grown, healed, and loved, she maintains her spunky self. As dramabeans put it, and may I quote "Hye-jung has been this mix of aged cynicism and childish obstinance from the very first scene. For one such as her, Ji-hong — an old soul himself — seemed like a particularly good fit"

And their chemistry, JH's way to mentor, guide and love HJ, was what ties this whole drama very nicely for me. 

As much as Doctors is a "slow" drama without some mind blowing twist in the plot, Doctors has a lot to offer, to those who are not after a passive watching, because somehow it makes me think. 

Thank you KRW and PSH for providing this experience. It has been truly fulfilling. And now, JH-HJ   just became my relationship goal. And I've gotta say it's a realistic goal that doesn't involve dating an alien, or the most faired skin, good looking special agent soldier in the middle of a war torn country. 

This may not be the best kdrama for PSH, but this is definitely the best character PSH has played 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, parisonheaven said:

http://program.sbs.co.kr/builder/endPage.do?pgm_id=22000009527&pgm_mnu_id=43791&contNo=22000192450

(Can't find a Youtube video link at the moment)

Doctors Episode 18 Scene Translation

Hye Jung: Oh, Teacher.
Ji Hong: You came from Soon Hee's place?
Hye Jung: Yes I helped for a bit before coming back. What is it?
Ji Hong: These words make me feel sad.
Hye Jung: About what?
Ji Hong: We are in a relationship where we can see each other anytime.
Hye Jung: You're right. Are you angry with me?
Ji Hong: What about you? You're not angry?
Hye Jung: I am. I still haven't got over it.
Ji Hong: It's good that you're honest. I am angry too, but I got over it.
Hye Jung: Why?
Ji Hong: Just because.
Hye Jung: This phrase 'just because' implies there is a deeper meaning to it. What is it?
Ji Hong: Today the President came to find you right?
Hye Jung: How did you know? Are you going to lecture me again?
Ji Hong: I am not going to lecture you, you did well.
Ji Hong: You still haven't got over it?
Hye Jung: Yes, I feel sad.
Ji Hong: Hye Jung-ah.
Hye Jung: Yes?
Ji Hong: When did you wash your hair?
Hye Jung: Does it smell?
Ji Hong: Mmm.
Hye Jung: What do I do? I just washed it today.
Ji Hong: That is why it smells so nice.
Hye Jung: Aish, why did you tease me?
Ji Hong: I wanted to make you smile. I haven't seen you smile recently.
Hye Jung: No matter how I think it feels strange. Something must have happened.

*Sorry in advance for mis-translations! 

Oh no!! Why does this have to give me such bad feelings about JH???? Pls don't drop the bomb about him having some tumor 2 episodes towards the end?!?! 

Ps BIG thank you @parisonheaven for the very quick translation!! 

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11 hours ago, liz-danielle said:

where are we....????  

all my brain cells were dead today and thanks to my boss...  i don't have time to chat with you guy during lunch hour  i feel so alone it seem like its a habit now to reviewing this forum everyday...   what i'm going to do when doctors is over  

Tell me about it. All my years of watching kdrama, I've never commented or joined any forums....and now I feel like I need to check this everyday, and while most of the time I have 20 pages to catch up, some days there are over 50! You guys are just a crazy bunch! 

I'll probably suffer from withdrawal symptoms once this finishes!!

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I see a number of chingus here picking sides today! JH's letting go and live life happily, HJ's revenge...

i don't know....

JH only wants HJ to be happy, knowing how much she has gone through and how long she has been tortured, by her past, her circumstances, herself. His belief of "an eye for an eye makes the world goes blind" is also something I truly believe in. Somehow when I saw the conversation that she wants MH dead, my first thought was a scene in "I hear your voice"... "the moment you kill him, you are just a murderer. You cease to be the victim. all your reasons, all your excuses disappear"...

Revenge is a funny thing...we want to take revenge thinking that it will make us feel better after that, except they don't normally. It consumes a person, and in the end, nobody wins, even if he or she succeeds. Revenge has a way to work both ways...it punishes all parties...

Having said that, I can totally understand, and emphathize with HJ. Her desperation breaks my heart. So much so I would join her if I could (KUDOS TO PSH PLAYING HJ TO PERFECTION! Her anger, her desperation, her sorrow...impressive!!. My respect for her acting just got levelled up!!! Multiple times!!) 

My feel is that she needs to have some sort of closure to her grandma's case's perpetrator- MH. Asking her to move on without that closure would be to ask HJ not be HJ. THAT, is HJ. But Her judgment is currently clouded, consumed by her anger. And that's why I felt JH is trying to step in and out things into perspective. But rather than ask her to let go and give up, why not work together to bring MH down and save the hospital at the same time? JH clearly knows MH has something up his sleeves, as his dad has mentioned bits and pieces to him when he was alive. Together, they can bring MH down, and make a difference. HJ gets her closure, JH gets to save the dad's legacy, and patients win. 

I just don't necessarily think it has to be the 2 extremes of kill for revenge, or let everything go and live happily! Because JH would never want to see HJ be a monster to take down a monster, and HJ will never be able to just let go and live happily....

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1 hour ago, angelangie said:

exactly....she was the attending doctor....however she wasnt suppose to be the only one bearing the brunt of the penalty....i wasnt satisfy that she was alone in the bearing of the brunt....Dr. Kim said he cant allowed the whole department to be drag down which i dont agree.....

the source of the problem wasnt only in her.....she has to bear the bigger share....cause maybe since she is the attending doctor....she should let another staff doctor like YooDo knows where she is.....or in case of emergency have someone who is upper up to step in, in case she couldnt get out of the operation in times to attend to the VVIP.....

i wont know for sure how the chain works.....but at the rate they push the responsibility from one person to another....for me if im Dr. Kim, I will have the whole department holiday suspended for a month at the very least.....

The way HJ takes this so gracefully and with her pride in tact, says volume about her. 

She doesn't shift blames. As much as everyone has a part to this, she takes that it's her responsibility as attending doc. Even if she told SW to oversee while she's doing the operation. She even tells SW that she doesn't blame her for it, and just takes it as 'my unlucky day'.

Most probably figured I'm HJ biased, because I could really see where she's coming from. But I really like that she doesn't even try to bring SW down as collateral damage in her "war" with MH. She's very straight forward in this aspect, "MH did the crime, MH does the time", unlike SW grandfather who wanted to drag JH into picture in their war between the 3 of them, which ultimately resulted in JH's dad passing. 

I was actually pretty angry at KTH for the first time ( I love him as neurosurg head!!) when he said she needs to take the fall in order to save the whole dept. if the whole dept screws up, everyone should take the blame, not looking for a scapegoat! 

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4 hours ago, lclarakl said:

 

But it seems that Hye Jung has still "thrown her life away" because she has been using revenge to motivate her to the point she really hasn't enjoyed life, she's just going through the motions of life. Now she has an opportunity for love, but she's letting revenge consume her. She's spent her life focusing on the negatives instead of the positives.  As a child and into her teenage years, I get why her outlook on life was so tainted; her mother's death, her father's infidelity, her physical abuse, and constantly being told she would amount to nothing--even by the very teachers who should have been telling her she could achieve greatness.

When she came to live with her grandmother, she finally achieved that reenforcing love, but lost it when her grandmother died. Instead of determining to prove everyone wrong and her grandmother right, living her life in a way grandmother would approve, focusing on the positive, she's been caring around this burden of revenge. This woman of 31 years of age has never dated or kissed a man. Due to her dislike of her father, she had made plans to never marry.  She's letting these emotions box her in where she has put a limit on how much enjoyment she will have in life.  Even with Ji Hong she's holding herself back--who is trying to be understanding, but he's also frustrated too by her actions.  She's talking foolishly about throwing her life away to get revenge on Seo Woo's father, when she should be clinging to the love of the man next to her.  

I remember when she got angry with Ji Hong because he called her grandmother because it made her grandmother seem old. She didn't want to think of her grandmother as old. Even if the surgery had been a success, her grandmother's survive rate at her age would have been up to 5 years or so. When grandmother was alive, she wanted to become a doctor so her grandmother could live comfortably, then after her grandmother died, she still wanted to become a doctor because of her grandmother, but also with the burden of revenge tacked on.

In regards to "accused of something she didn't do", Hye Jung feels that for the people she care for, she will protect them to the end, even if it means sacrificing herself. She didn't want Soon Hee to go to jail, so she took all the blame, but thankfully, she had a friend who wasn't going to let her. The same with the disciplinary committee, she chose not to point the blame on anyone else--because she could have made a case to do so.  It didn't seem like she cared one way or the other.

For me, seeing her in episode 17, hit home for me how miserably she's been living her life.  I'm wondering what is going to wake her up and she that she has someone worth holding on. Yes, the word "I love you" is precious, but how precious is it if you never say it to the person you love? I think it may take something drastic to help her reset her view on life and appreciating what's important. 

One other thing, there is a saying, "Having is not as good as wanting".  Even if Hye Jung would have received a sincere apology from Seo Woo's father, I really don't know if she still would have been content. They just would have been words spoken. I think a part of her would have still craved for more.

Absolutely spot on @lclarakl

it seems like from the very beginning, she has been throwing her life away. She found some meaning with grandma, but once she passed, life has been something that she goes through to fight- sleeps 10 hours a week, never have any relationship with anyone other than SH and SC, never happy...to get to where she is. As she said it, if she had lived normally, she wouldn't be where she is today...and over time, she just accepted that as her life. 

HJ has so much emotional baggage, and that is also reflected on her physically, the way she handles anyone that gets near her...to flip them/ high kick them really. She's so jaded with life that she rather not have any connections than to be let down again. 

Thats why I feel JH would be the crucial key to let her let go and actually live...for herself...

ps: when I meant "accused of something she didn't do", it's more of SW giving the statement that she (SW) believes that she set the fire, even when HJ was the one saving her and she knows it. I didn't mean she taking the blame for SH. Not to mention, SW also accused her of having a relationship with JH then. 

Pps: I love the relationship between HJ AND SH. She was the only one there the whole time after her grandma passed. SC lost touch after a while, and JH left for the states. SH is the best friend anyone can ask for, of course, HJ also treated her sincerely, as a friend. 

 

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24 minutes ago, CatWhiskers said:

Okay. So I just watched Ep17 with subs. Do allow me to comment and rant. 

I love everything about Kang Soo. I sincerely wish he won the Newcomer Actor Awards. It was so heart breaking. I love his loyalty to HJ and that deep down inside him, he is responsible and a natural good guy. Just give u the vibes that you can depend on him. I am glad he has HJ as a sunbae and I am glad HJ has him as a hoobae.

About our OTP,

I am glad to say I am really pleased with PSH's acting. She has certainly come a long way and she prove her acting skills time n time again in this drama next to KRW. I felt her character's anger. And I felt JH's frustration. But if you stand at HJ's POV, you can feel how helpless and despaired she is. Thinks about it. She had no one and no love ever since her mum died...only her grandma believes in her and love her and to have that taken away cruelly from her and that even justice to her death was denied, naturally it is very very hard to let go. She once said that forgiving isn't easy. Not when u have harbored it and it was your fuel to success. You can't expect a few words frm JH to make her just suddenly decide to let go of her bitterness.

I felt HJ wasn't being unfair or being immature. She mentioned before...she did not want to pursue a court case knowing it is impossible. All she wanted was the truth and a sincere apology. THAT was all. She just wanted to move on too. So can u understand how she felt when even an apology was denied to her? You would have felt that the man MH should be strip of all his powers and be made known to the world what a crooked doctor he is and god knows how many other blotched cases. 

As for JH, I truly applaud him for being the ideal bf. Seriosuly. He and HJ are so different. While HJ is headstrong on smtg,  JH rather just enjoy life peacefully. It shows you how much a person's past upbringing can affect a person's current present state. JH had a good life. He was adopted and had an even better life. So naturally he wanted HJ to let go too but understands it isn't easy for her. 

I really like how he tried to encourage HJ in the seminar hall. How he told her how proud he is of her and to be her bf. How in the disciplinary hearing, when HJ spoke grounded truth and use her brains, JH was literally beaming with pride. I love how after the loong surgery, he called her and came over hearing how she cried. He was sensitive and put her needs above his. I can't blame HJ because her emotions clouded her that JH needs a break too.  He just had a long surgery. But in that moment, I felt both were just weary. Hence, the 10kilometres distance apart. Sheesh. 

I think Ep 18, MH 's actions will be revealed. And a proper hospital clean up to follow. And finally our happy ending. (I am so not gonna be overly predicting the wedding etc.  I got fool by the camping scene. Argh. Still feeling it).

Loved the way you put it.

Now that I give more thoughts to it, I wonder what HJ is trying to achieve with MH? 

She said she wants revenge...but she knows that the statue of limitation has ended. 

But seems like she wants only a sincere apology from MH since previously MH mentioned that if HJ can prove that he's being negligent in his operation on the grandma, he will do whatever she wants? 

But now that she can't get an apology, she wants to kill him? 

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1 hour ago, EstherW said:

I have to agree with JH that her interest for revenge has clouded her judgement and way of life and she needed to live not for the revenge but for the people who want her to be happy. That is the best way to remember her grandma and what she wanted for her.

And why I am getting the feeling that YD is starting to become better suited or HJ and her temper.

Hope you don't mind me cutting up your post this way! 

I am in absolute agreement with you that HJ's judgment is clouded, because she can't see past her grandma and revenge to look at the bigger picture. 

However, I disagree with YD. I love YD, don't get me wrong. But she needs someone to re-direct her to the right path again. Someone that would argue and put some sense into her when she's trapped in her lil black box, all the while supporting her. To date, only JH has this ability, being a smartie pants himself, her mentor, and knowing her past. 

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2 hours ago, shinhyefan said:

i feel the preview when jihong say let's end this. I think this is for break up. I think they will break up for them to realize they need each other n more understand each other after that they will unite again, this time will be hyejung say..sarangae.  because if they break up, i think hyejung will more think she need jihong in her life and jihong already become the most important in her life.

Noooo....can't be! JH can't do that to HJ..especially since she has lost her cool and rationality, if JH leaves now, she would only see it as being abandoned all over again...that would be wayyyy too saddd... 

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5 hours ago, kdramanewb said:

Although both HJ and JH suffered losses at an early age, JH chooses to live life today, while HJ chooses to live life in the past, affecting her happiness today. That is truly sad.

In a way, it is probably a good thing that SW's dad apologized the way he did. HJ needs to let go of her anger about her grandma, consciously on her own. She's been living the past 13 years but it's more like going through the motions of living but not really living because of the anger she's been carrying. She's been going through life on another person's terms, is how I see it, because her feelings and emotions though her own, are dependent on other people's actions. I want her to decide for herself to have that closure. I want her free to live her life with JH.

I'm glad KS surgery was successful.

It is nice to see SW breaking away from her dad's influence and started thinking for herself.  I would not be surprised if she eventually apologizes to HJ on behalf of herself 13 years ago and for her dad for the surgery to grandma, and the pain it's caused HJ. We'll see...Either way I really just want to see HJ to decide to have closure and get rid of all her negative feelings, so she can be truly and incandescently happy with JH.

One month of vacation for HJ. Lots of time to spend in happy moments with JH, that is if she so choose. 

Who knows, by months end also, SW's dad might be out of his position.

I do agree that it's rather sad that her life is like that, and the way she deals with her circumstances are very diff. We knew from the beginning that she's always in fight mode, while JH is more of a flight mode person. He wants to avoid confrontations as much as he can, she likes to face the confrontations head on. 

They both have some similarities. Loss at young age, and JH has the stepdad after that; HJ has her grandmother. But don't we forget, while JH had a loving happy family until the parents passed, HJ watched her Mom going insane and ultimately takes her own life, and then had an abusive family after that. And while JH stepdad nurtured him to be where he is, HJ's happens with her grandmother was short lived. 

So they are really not quite the same circumstances 

 

 

23 minutes ago, SeolGaRyeo said:

Oh okay, thanks for the info Ayame.

 

I'm pretty sad for this week's Ep17. I don't know what to expect on Ep18. I think they've decided to end their relationship. As what I have understood between HJ-JH's naration in the last part of the preview. I could be wrong.

I highly doubt that would happen. After 13 years of waiting and looking, and so much effort to get her to open up to him, all they have been through together ? I can't imagine he would let her go because of this. 

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6 hours ago, thao_2512 said:

 

I haven't finished this ep with sub so I can't say much 

But I have seen people said both HJ and JH are frustrating this ep.

To me it's all about perspectives

Grandma was the only person that treasured her when she was so lost and had no one in her life. She was also the motivation for her to be a doctor to find out the truth. She was the reason for HJ lives. Remember she said she wanted to die constantly? This is the war she has been fighting alone all these years

How can she does what JH  asked and just drop it easily like that? She was cornered and frustrated since nothing changed even she has the truth and done everything she could 

I'm not saying JH is wrong either since there is no right and wrong in this case. He wants her to move on and starts to live for herself but HJ wouldn't be able to do it without a closure

JH had his parents loving him before they passed away. His stepdad loved and provided all the support for him But all HJ had was her grandma... 

Remember this is a healing drama? I don't think she is putting anger on anyone but rather a realistic conflict they have.  

Since HJ has been aggressive when JH is exact the opposite when it comes to problems 

 Couldn't have said it better myself @thao_2512. 

Ahhhh, so my memory didn't fail me. I did remember correctly that she wants to die having nothing to live for. Still backreading!