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  1. @Xonos Really? To each their own, but I loved this ep and it seems to be getting great reviews from viewers. The ending was a bit lackluster but overall I think it's one of the funniest episodes we've had in awhile. And yes SJH is suuuuper comfortable with KJK. Oh fun story. So I was a liiiiittle tipsy the other night and ended up talking to a guy about kdramas. Tipsy me bring up Running Man and said something along the lines of "Running Man is my richard simmons. KJK and SJH are 100% dating." And the guy, who turns out is a casual RM fan, agreed with me and said, "Yeah, it's super obvious. And good for them, they have great chemistry." So there y'all go. I ran into a casual fan who thinks they're dating. I can't see KJK calling the older JSJ a punk, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyone else have thoughts?
  2. 17:58 - SJH uses KJK's leg as an armrest. It's even more intimate because KJK's wearing shorts. Also, as soon as she moves to a different spot on the couch, KJK shifts his sitting position. 18:09 - When YJS says SJH should participate in the quiz, KJK agrees that she should participate. KJK says she should show them how smart she is. 23:28 - SJH and KJK can be seen talking and sitting close by each other on the side of the screen. It's interesting because when we see the full couch, everyone else is much further apart. 28:01 - KJK remarks that there must be a reason SJH is so quiet today. 32:03 - When KJK moves to help SJH takes stuff out of the bag, KJk puts his hands on her arm and shoulder to signal he wants to help and she immediately moves out of his way without him needing to say what he wanted her to do. KJK then says three zombies are dangerous and SJH agrees. 33:40 - When KJK is coming over with food, SJH leans forward to speak to him. 34:09 - SJH sits right in front of KJK when eating ramen. She turns back to say something to him. 1:12:05 - KJK says "Yah!" to stop JSJ from taking SJH's nametag 1:12:21 - KJK, laughing, calls her a punk OMG I DIED during the KJK and LKS try not to laugh challenge. KJK's on cue bawling was amazing. Also I didn't put it in my list, but I found it interesting that as soon as KJK came back from the laughing test, he went right back to his spot by SJH.
  3. I'm working on 2017 and 2018! It's a slow process so if anyone wants to help, please let me know. The links to the posts are all on the first page of this forum!
  4. The fans were very angry with how the whole firing went down. People were spamming "#SBSOUT" out on IG (to the point where the RM IG took posts down), even k-netz were angry about what happened; people were threatening to boycott SBS shows, etc. Then people got the name of the person working at SBS who was supposedly responsible for the decision (likely multiple people approved it but whatever) and we all know what angry fans can do when they go on a witch hunt. That person got demoted, I believe, and then it became best to let it go. So like @kook_mong said, I think "staff" is a general term. We'll never know who exactly on the staff contributed to the decision or what, and it's better to let it be.
  5. My condolences to her family, and I hope their wishes for a quiet funeral are respected. Sulli seemed like a cheerful young woman from her guest appearances on RM. It's terrible and tragic what has happened. Please be mindful of your comments online. The celebs do read them, and it does affect them.
  6. Ep 472 15:72 - When KJK says the members are acting up now that they're in Anyang, SJH says, "Just like Anyang Hothead". (KJK's nickname) 15:44 - KJK teases her, aksing if she works at a laundromat, and then he compliments her, saying she's strong. YJS helps her pull the slingshot, but KJK talks her through it which he didn't for anyone else. 22:09 - When KJK talks about the mother of his high school girlfriend's restaurant, they show a shot of SJH laughing. 22:22 - SJH starts to mention a bus station, but we never get to hear why she's suggesting that as HH keeps talking. But just from this segment, HH and SJH are the only two that suggest specific places in Anyang for KJK (because they know KJK best of the people there). JSJ suggests the more obvious/generic choice of a school. Edit: Someone told me that, on MUD, KJK told a story about a girl on a bus that he had a crush on, and SJH was likely referring to that. So either she watched the MUD episode or KJK told her the story in private. 26:27 - When KJK gets annoyed when JSM gets scissors wrong, SJH pushes his back. 28:18 - SJH puts her hand on his shoulder when he's confused about the game 48:30 - SJH might have been smiling while KJK was talking about his maybe-date under the cherry blossoms. It's hard to tell because the camera angle perfectly positions her face out of view lol. 49:29 - SJH asks him if he did b-boy dancing. And when he says what D.L. Boys stand for, she kind of gives a little smile that she seems to be holding back on for a moment. There's no reason for her to hide a smile, but for some reason she does. It's interesting. At the end, KJK splits the money with SJH and HH (the two people who remained loyal the entire time). This was actually a really good ep. The chase at the end was exciting. And I'm super happy they gave KJK a proper special! Now I just want to see SJH as the spy again or in another special. It's been a long time.
  7. I think the spartace ship got a number of immature MC shippers when MC came to an end, and then gained more fans when they became an official love line on the show. It happens. Unfortunately, we can't control everyone. In my opinion, the best thing to do is find a corner of the shipping fandom that you like and hang out there.
  8. Since the beginning? Wow. That's impressive! What drew them to you back then? I also dislike spartace fans bringing it onto RM related SNS. I also dislike spartace fans tagging the RM members in spartace-related posts. I don't mind it too much when it's positive, harmless things like "spartace fighting", but I don't like when shippers tell them to get married or insult other people they're in a love line with. Shipping can be fun if we're respectful of everyone. I like this forum because we're more removed from the RM members' social media. (Though I know we have some silent readers from IG.) Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
  9. I thought I'd share this with y'all. It's a video about spartace in hangul (so most of the comments are from korean fans). Right now, it has 1.6 million views! From what I've been told, the comments has a lot of people watching this and waking up to spartace as possibly a real relationships. There are somethings you spartace do that you just wouldn't do with a big bro/little sis. I thought y'all might find it interesting. (Also, it's a really good video even if you don't understand hangul.)
  10. I'm working the list. It's slow going, but I'm debating just positing it incomplete and adding in the episodes as I go. Ep 82 feels like it has so many layers to it.
  11. @Adines Nugraha Oh yeah I forgot about that one. I'm trying to keep the list limited, because there's for sure other episodes I could add. I left out a lot of early day episodes, and I guess the Liger episode (ep 95) or the piggyback episode (ep 103) are pretty big spartace episodes from the earlier days.
  12. We have a lot of new people/new episodes since we made those episode lists. I'm actually curious what everyone's top spartace episodes are now? I definitely have to adjust my list. Here's mine: Ep 163 - This is one of the most obvious episodes to me in terms of revealing spartace. KJK completely upstages the other two teams in the opening to win SJH's heart (he princess carries her and she chooses his team). Production makes an excuse to give the other teams a second chance so the show can have its MC moment. But KJK continues to go over the top treating SJH like a princess, and while I'm sure it's for humor, he was the only one who never complained and devoted himself to her as the princess. Ep 178 - The RM vs Production team episode is always on my list. It's the episode where SJH takes care of KJK, almost to the exclusion of the others, after he gets out of the boat when crossing the Han River. And it looks as though she holds his hand underneath the towels. Ep 213 - KJK and SJH got paired at the end of the race thanks to some help from SJH's friend. But also, KJK protected her during the Red Clay fight, SJH laughed loudly during KJK's acting scene, and they were suspiciously awkward and held hands briefly when they were partnered. LKS even slipped up and thought it was "no fair" that SJH and KJK were partnered. Ep 230 - No one else ever talks about this ep, but it was the one where the RM team versus the LKS-lead guest team had to figure out answers to a survey about first loves. SJH praises KJK when he says he does the things women like in a man, and after watching high school girls talk about their crushes, KJK and SJH immediately turn to make eye contact. It's a really subtle spartace episode, but if you watch it with "hawk eyes" it's a really interesting episode. Ep 258 - The Police vs Mafia ep (this is an underrated episode in general, in my opinion). It's the ep where KJK and SJH compete against each other in the convenience store race. They don't even treat it like a competition and giggle the whole time. When KJK hides behind SJH, the editors even caption it "We're just friends". Ep 285 - This is a super important episode to me. It's the mystery box episode where SJH was afraid and asked KJK to help her (not LKS or KG). She cried, KJK supported her, YJS teased her that she looked like she was giving birth, etc. It came at a time when non-spartace shippers insisted KJK and SJH weren't close because they didn't have highlighted moments on screen, and after that episode, people had to admit that KJK was one of the closest members to SJH. Ep 436 - Suddenly, spartace IS legal. They finally (after years of hoping) got to be in a couple race together. And, by pure luck, they won. The RM cast teased like they'd been waiting for this moment for years, and it was great. Sure, I prefer their subtle interactions to the love line moments, but this episode was an important one, and we FINALLY got our couple race. And it was everything I'd hoped it''d be.
  13. The general belief for the firing is that SBS wanted to move RM to a gag show. KJK and SJH don't do gag humor, so SBS cut them from the cast. Also because they wanted to hire KHD, and next to YJS, KJK is the second highest paid member. So cutting KJK also makes room for KHD in the show's budget. There was also some speculation that there was a power struggle among SBS's higher ups and KJK-SJH supported the wrong side (idk how true that is - just something I heard in the rumor mill). But while those reasons exist, it's ALSO possible spartace dating contributed to the firing. (I don't believe it was the main cause. They would have been dating in secret, and don't forget that everything is about $$$). But it may have been a case of "We need to cut KJK because of his salary. We might as well cut his gf too. She'd probably leave with him if he got fired anyway." (I assume the execs in charge of the decision were sexist.) Which would, in a way, explain why SJH didn't even get a phone call and had to find out she was fired through the news. Just my take on the incident in addition to @mn0096's post. Talking about the firing scandal still makes me mad to this day, so I can only imagine how painful it must be for KJK and SJH. We may have gotten to see snippets of how close they truly are during the incident, and I remember KJK's company would release statements for both of them, but I don't think the cost was worth the moments. I'm glad they got through it, and I'm glad fans banded together for their sakes.
  14. Spartace are different from young idols. Idols tend to be late teens, early 20s and often insist that they won't date and their fans are their gfs/bfs. Idols tend to have young fans who tend to buy too much into the fantasy they've created of their idols. Spartace are both older and have talked actively about their dating lives. So none of their fans have the same "my idol is my bf/gf" delusion that idol fans tend to have. KJK also talks often about wanting to get married. So KJK and SJH fans are aware that marriage can happen unlike idol fans who are often giveb the promise the idol is single. That's not to say there aren't immature shippers who will act possessive if KJK and/or SJH announce marriage (this includes spartace fans if they don't get married). That's where most of the anti comments will come from, I suspect. Immature shippers who can't accept they were wrong and move on.
  15. I don't know about other people on here, but even if spartace have been dating for 7 years or whatnot, I don't think they will admit that to the public. Then, they'd have to explain that they were dating during MC, during SJH's time on WGM, and KJK's time on MUD. It's just messy and confusing, and a lot of people wouldn't understand how to separate work from real life. Likely, they'll say they started dating some time in the last year (e.g. around when the love line started). Most of the general audience will accept that and not ask questions. I think the public response will be largely positive to neutral. We can't mistake the vocal antis online for the general population lol. Most people don't care or will be happy to see them in a relationship regardless of who it was as long as KJK/SJH's partners aren't entirely unsuitable. Spartace aren't an outlandish concept like they were in 2015. They've been associated romantically a number of times. Their announcement would be surprising, but not out of nowhere. From what I've seen, most people dislike spartace because of the shippers, and not because they'd be against it if KJK and SJH announced they were dating in real life. They just don't think it's possible in real life, so they're against the fans pushing spartace on KJK and SJH. The dislike is at fans, not at KJK and SJH. Will there be antis if spartace announces? Of course. But when is there not.
  16. Also, what do y'all think of this? Here is a really rough translation of what happened that I found on IG wht some additions of mine: SJH's poem wishes that KJK "...would meet the women who makes him warm in winter and give birth of muscular babies looks like him". Then YJS and JSJ "tease her that she would have written in the end: that is actually me that stays besides you" Then HH stands and shouts with YSC and JSM "Read the last part!". (KJK joins in them chanting this part, it looks like). So SJH says it "jokingly while covering her mouth with her hand" Then "when KJK part came, he said before standing: yeah I should get married"
  17. @carambsk Welcome! I'm glad you took the time to read up on spartace, and I think we all start off with doubts. I certainly leaned towards believing that they weren't dating when I first started posting here. For me, having a chance to discuss it with other shippers helped me figure things out. So know that we're always here to talk things over with! Sometimes it's important not to over analyze a single moment. It's very easy to take a snapshot picture or a short interaction between two people and come up with all sorts of explanations. We have to remember that they're on a show where they have characters to follow and we only see a fraction of footage from a day of shooting. Just because we want to see KJK and SJH acting besotted with each other all the time, the truth is couples (especially long-lasting couples) aren't going to be constantly gazing at each other and standing next to each other. When you add up all of spartace's suspicious moments (the interactions when they don't think the cameras are focused on them, things other RM members have said, scenes of them looking at each other), I believe it outweighs the few times where the short clips we see make it appear that they're not together. And of course we must remember that if they are dating, they want to keep it secret but also leave open the possibility that they could get married. One thing many spartace fans have pointed out is that if spartace was really concerned about fans linking them together, their agencies could just release official statements (especially when that article with the marriage rumor came out - which was such a bs article lol). Official statements have more validity to them than a comment on a TV show, as the company's reputation is on the line if the statement turns out to be untrue. However, KJK and SJH have released no such statement. Of course, they have said "We're family/friends" before, but that's a fairly standard k-celeb response when they're dating someone, get caught, but don't want to admit it. KJK has said that he will insist that he is single even if he's dating until he's ready to get married. And it's worked for him. There's a reason KJK hasn't had a single public girlfriend in all his celebrity career. The man knows how to date in secret. Which is why it's not all that shocking that we have moments that cause us doubt. And I second what @Adora Dark said. Just to add, SJH almost exclusively teases KJK in love lines, while she never teased LKS, KG, or any of the other members nearly as much. She does tease them from time to time, but she goes out of her way to tease KJK, and she's done so since the very early days. I don't know about y'all, but when I'm seeing a guy, I tease him about other women, saying things like "Ohh so that's your type". It's fun, and a teasing/light expression of jealousy. I think it's a pretty normal thing (at least for me?), and add that to KJK's on screen persona as @Adora Dark said, I think SJH's teasing of KJK with other women on the show makes sense.
  18. How about we bring the conversation back to spartace? Any conflicts can be resolved in private. Also, could we delete the posts dealing with private matters? I don't think we should keep off topic posts in the thread Sorry I haven't been posting y'all, life's busy! I'll catch up on RM this week!!! Also hyped for KJK's solo concert!
  19. I agree with @pink007 that this should be a forum of open discussion. We have to look at the doubts as well as the positives. If we only focus on the positive then we might become delusional and truly ignore the signs if spartace aren't dating. I think it's best to be open minded and discuss all possibilities even if they're not the ones we want to hear. I understand not wanting to bring down the mood of the board, and I hope everyone knows they can message me (that includes silent readers) if they want to talk! As for @airplanegirl's doubts, I'm sorry that you feel that way. It's never fun to have pessimistic thoughts about your ship and I'm glad you felt comfortable sharing those doubts here. In my opinion, I don't think those are actual nicknames they use for each other. I think they were playing a game and said the first thing that came to mind. It's just cute that when you hear SJH's answer, the first person you would think of is KJK. As for the letter, I don't think it disproves anything about spartace. KJK isn't the sort to come out and say he's dating until he's announcing it, so of course his letter to his future wife would imply that he hasn't found her yet. I'm sure KJK knew the letter would be scrutinized and wrote it very carefully so as not to give anything away. Statements like that, I find, are a lot less revealing of the truth than the actions spartace make. I trust the seven years of evidence that I've seen over one letter KJK wrote for his fans. But that's just me. It's up to everyone to figure out what they believe. This is an open forum and all respectful spartace discussion should be welcome!
  20. Yeah, SJH has gotten a lot of backlash during the MC era (especially when the news of her dating her CEO came out), so I can understand them being cautious. If you don't believe spartace is real, then the love line just seems like something hastily thrown together to encourage spartace fans. Don't forget that many people don't believe they're dating. And with SJH's bad experience with MC, I can understand them being wary. Let's just all remember to be respectful. If KJK and SJH are dating different people, then that's their choice, and we should respect that. We have no say in who they choose to be with. Shipping should be fun!
  21. Thanks for sharing with us! It sounds dangerous and I'm glad you're okay and got your glasses back. Interesting that YJS smiled at the SA bag and it's nice to know KJK and SJH are looking out for each other!
  22. @Adora Dark Nah, neither person sounds like KJK in the video. The very first chuckle sort of does but I think it's all JSJ laughing except the second guy who obviously isn't KJK. While I wouldn't be surprised if JSJ uploaded a video if SJH with KJK laughing (he did post the edited spartace kiss once), I think he'd take it down quickly once he realized, however. Also, SJH is adorable.
  23. It reminds me a bit of the episode, in the early days of RM, where they had the hiphop couple (I forget their names). But they were a married couple in real life. And the production staff then asked the man to be a spy that day along with HH and SJH. There was some tension between the married couple, and you could tell the guy was uncomfortable deceiving his wife like that. I think for.KJK and SJH it's somewhat similar. They're probably a little more accepting of it as they've been on RM for going on 10 years, but it may still be uncomfortable. KJK also said he's uncomfortable and look at the staff when SJH joined the team with him and JSJ in one ep where he was the spy (ep where they held hands a lot while guessing songs). This ep was probably worse because SJH didn't have a fair chance and KJK was going to have to deceive her in a different way than just being the spy. (Sorry for the bad typing. I'm on my phone. I'll look up the ep numbers later.)
  24. Interesting, I don't think she's ever said yes to currently having a bf before. I don't think that's because she's been single all this time. But if our predictions are correct and spartace (or if SJH is planning to marry her current bf, even.if he isn't KJK) is planning to get married in the next year, then saying yes to having a boyfriend is certainly a step on the right direction. It gives fans a a heads up as to what might be coming. And the very rough translation reminds me a lot of KJK's letter to his future wife lol.
  25. KJK seems to be a jealous guy in general (though not oppressively jealous as SJH has done MC and WGM during their relationship if they have dated since 2013). I remember the conversation in the Love and War ep where KJK asked if jealousy goes away with marriage, and YJS and HH thought KJK will still be jealous even after marriage. However, while KJK might always be the jealous type, it may tone down a bit after marriage. My guess is some of the jealousy comes from being a secret couple, so when guests flirt with SJH, they don't know she already has someone. KJK tends to involve himself any time SJH comes up in discussion whether it's praising her or teasing her. SJH does it too honestly. For instance, PBY chose KJK over LKS, and SJH couldn't stay quiet and started shouting that searches would now be "KJK and PBY". If a guest shows romantic interest in the other person, KJK and SJH will usually involve themselves in the conversation. To add personal experience, I'm like that with the guy I'm seeing at the time. It's a feeling a showing off that I know that person best, but also making certain that I'm the person closest to him. I do it with friends at times as well, but not nearly to the same extent. The way KJK and SJH always comment on each other falls wayyy into romantic territory.
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