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29 minutes ago, littleloony said:
Hi @Immortal_Angel can I ask you for some clarification on the chinese drama's plot and also the original novel if you have read it? From what I gathered....Ruoxi knew her history well and so knew that 4th prince would eventually wipe out his brothers to take the throne, which means the 8th prince would be killed. When she fell in love with him she tried to alter 8th's historical fate by a) asking him to forego the ambition to get the throne and when that did not work b.) telling him to be wary of 4th. What was her relation status with the 4th prince at this time? I mean did she like him as a friend or he liked her? If not then just why did she shift towards liking/loving the 4th later on? Had she ever said anything to 4th prince that might have directly altered history, like say not to fight for the throne etc?
My point of all these questions is that in the spoiler you have highlighted about 13th and 4th's relation.....so it seems that ultimately it is not Ruoxi but concern about 13th's well being and his deep bond with him actually spurred 4th to compete for the throne and take revenge against all those who had harmed 13th (like the 8th prince). Can it be interpreted like this or is it not so simple?
SpoilerIt's been a while so I might not remember correctly so please if I got something wrong just chip in
So in the cversion, Ruoxi knew her history quite well even when she was called to face the king, she knew who he was and what he did in his life to get to the throne. When she met the princes, at first it didn't hit her but when they were all sitting talking and laughing, she had a flash in her mind of the outcome of all the princes and what they will suffer at the end. The time she spent with 8th she liked him and didn't want what would happen to him so she tried to change his fate. (To me, when I was watching, i felt that if she thought if she can change 8th fate, she can change all of theirs from theirs but it didn't). Her relationship with 4th at that time was mutual, she would avoid him because she knows he would be the future king and that he is the ultimate winner at the end of the fight for the throne, but because of that he would find her interesting and would find chances to talk to her even if its just to pissed her off. He couldn't help himself from falling in love with her and he's the type that do not let his emotions control him but with her he let his guard down. When Ruoxi broke off with 8th, she knew her only way to survive within the walls of the palace is to side with 4th in which in the beginning she side for survival but that's when she let her guard down and fell for him. When she warn 8th to be aware of 4th, she didn't think that because of her words, it was what cause the history to take its course. Worst was she gave 8th a list of names he should be aware of. She warned 8th was because she loved him but then she loved herself knowing that if she picked 8th and if history was corrected, he will fall and his whole family will too so it was a risk for her to picked 8th that was when she asked him to pick between the throne or her. He worked to hard to get where he is in so giving it up is a big no so she left him.
I believed Ruoxi never said anything to 4th that changed anything cause she knows in the end he is the one that would win. She tried to stop him from setting out to get ones that conspire against him but he never did stop. She would know that as king he has to make certain decision that not all would agree on in which drive a wedge in between them. What got her tired of the palace at the end was when after she miscarriage and 4th blamed 8th wife, making her divorce 8th and she commit suicide, and 8th said she did nothing wrong why did she ended up with this fate. thats when Ruoxi realized not even she can change 4th ways so she wanted to live her days out in a peaceful way and she knew only 14th has a way to help her. 4th and 13th got alot cause they never wanted to fight for the throne and live carefree so they got along. 13 was the only one that was willingly standing at his side for a long time.
In the beginning 4th never had any intention on fighting for the throne but with Ruoxi warning, 8th and his gang (in which 9th was involve) set a trap to get rid of 4th but 13th instead step into the trap and was place under house arrest for more than 10 years by the king (Kangxi). Ruoxi tried to plead with the king 3 days and 3 nights even 14th tried an the only thing that the king did was allow the person 13th love to be under house arrest with him. Ruoxi then was punished to be maid in the laundry service in which took a toll in her health before she was able to be back serving the king. During the 10 years, 4th was getting angry with the other princes faction but because of this, Ruoxi and 4th begin falling in love. After he was king they butt head often about his ways of dealing with the people against him. And later when 8th wife told her because of her warning against 4th, that's when Ruoxi realized even though step by step she tried not to interfere with history, because of her it happened. After losing her child, and 8th wife suicide, and her cannot bear anymore children, she told 4th and 13th because of her it happen. Because she was the one that told 8th to be wary of 4th thats why 8th singled out 4th and attack him and the people around him she told him to hate her treat her like an enemy and lash out on her but he wouldn't. So that's when she decided to leave so she told 13th to tell 14th "okay" to what he wanted which was to let him marry her as his concubine but 8th knew that 4th wouldnt let her go so he went and told 4th of their love story which pissed 4th and he pushed Ruoxi away. She then became 14th concubine but because of her hardship her health took a toll and when she wrote a letter to 4th, and 14th saw it, he saw how her brush stroke was exactly like 4th. It shows how much she loves him to the point that unconsciously she adapt his brush strokes writing like he does. and at that time if one mimic a king writing, they are sentence to death, so he put it in and envelope to 4th but he never open it till it was too late
So for the kversion beside 13th it could be the Crown Prince since he wanted to help 4th get back into the palace and saved him when he was young
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1 hour ago, kimsunya said:
IS the kdrama is following same evennt like the Bu Bu jing xin?? OR they're changinng certain events?????
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It is an adaption meaning that it is going to be like BBJX with certain events like the princes etc but they change it to fit their history and culture. So some scenes are like BBJX but there are new scenes that are created to fit in with korean history. Its not fully like BBJX but the main idea is from BBJX. hope you get what I'm trying to say
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10 minutes ago, chi13lou said:
Why does it seem like HS only remembers Gwangjong as the next king when there are still 2 more in line to be king before him?
What I feel is that the writers want the viewers to have some connection to Hae Soo character like most of the viewers learned it all in school but throw it out of their heads cause its history it happened already so why bother remembering it. Like Hae Soo she's like any young adult who probably just wanted to pass and get on with her life. Who would have thought that she would travel thru time back to ancient times when history is just beginning haha. So to me they are making her realistic and connecting to viewers. Since she knows out of the princes one will be king and he will kill his brothers but not sure who. Which gives a loophole here for writers to fill in on how she will have a hand in the princes fate since she herself didn't know that what happen in history happened because of her. like in
Spoilerthe cversion, Ruoxi knew 4th will be the one to win it all at the end and it will ended badly for the princes so when she tried to change 8th fate by making him choose between her and power, he pick power, she knew the outcome already but little did she know that because of one sentence she said to 8th about 4th, it set history in its path. And because she knows 4th will win, she decided if she wanted to stay alive she will side with 4th. Jus like probably what Hae Soo will do, but little did she know she will fall in love with him. and because of her history happen as it suppose to happen
5 minutes ago, Mau_Cherry said:But this time the next scene was much more importend to me...
I don´t know what was going on - but Wang Yo this time was against Baek Ah - and he brought him in trouble.
He don´t look like someone who knows the right answer right now... so sad Baek Ah
And from all People... who helps him out?
And to me that's how the only person that will support 4th will be 13th thru the hard times
Spoilerlike in the cversion, 13th stood by 4th and support him and when 8th harmed 13th, 4th decided its time to take part in the fight for the throne to protect a brother who stood by him no matter how hard it is.
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21 hours ago, MoOnLoVeRz said:
So they did kept the same friendship for 13 and Hae Soo as the cversion for Ruoxi and 13th. In which they are drinking buddies and she taught him the okay sign. I'm looking forward to this friendship coming up and I'm thinking Seohyun character has interest in the 13th prince?
20 hours ago, uuugogirl said:I noticed this scene in the trailer and 4th outfit looks different than most is this after he became king? Hae Soo outfit looks like a commoner too hm.... What do you guys think?
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3 hours ago, UnniSarah said:
As @valentvcd said curiosity is dangerous and this should remind of th saying "Curiosity killed the cat"
I wonder why Yeohnwa disliked Lady Hae so much. She has been a good wife and had good manners. Yeohnwa will be even more pissed off till the end of the drama because HAE SOO will have Wang So and Wang Wook fighting for her affection.
She is going to be sooooo mad because her brain will never be able to register what does Hae Soo have that she doesn't but attracting all the prince's attention.
Even Queenn Yoo could not figure out why the King was laughing at Hae Soo's moment and received a 2 Persian Rugs.
I think the reason why Yeohnwa dislike Lady Hae is because she isn't ambition and didn't want to push the 8th to fight for the throne and let Queen Yoo step all over their family. She probably wanted a sister in law that can bite back at Queen Yoo remarks and push her brother to be more confident and have more power in the kingdom. She probably is pissed that even though Lady Hae family helped them back from exile, her family isn't "strong" enough for them to boost their power in the kingdom. Either way she dislike Lady Hae even though she's a good wife, have good manners and helped back from exile, she felt her brother needed a sister in law that is able to stand up against Queen Yoo for the family
2 hours ago, shiraru said:Regarding next week episode...so, it seems that Hae Soo is being married off to someone else and she doesn't have a say in that matter, I found that pretty strange...I don't know how marriage works in that time, but Hae Soo is from outside the palace, right? Lady Hae bring her to the palace to care for her, if Lady Hae dies, Hae Soo didn't have any ties to the royal family anymore. If Yeon Hwa hates Hae Soo so much, why married her off instead sending Hae Soo back to her hometown? It's not like Hae Soo would bring some political benefit if she's being married off since she's just a cousin of Lady Hae, so yeah...or is it because Yeon Hwa is afraid that Hae Soo would catch Wang So's eyes, therefore she must be married off to somebody else in order for Yeon Hwa to marry Wang So? But politically speaking...it's more beneficial to Yeon Hwa to marry whoever King wants...oh well, maybe this will be clear on the next episode...aaaah...Monday, please come faster!
Yeon Hwa knew that if she sent Hae Soo back to her hometown, her brother would say no because she has no more family left that's the reason why Lady Hae took her in. Plus she knows the princes are all taking interest in Hae Soo so if she were to sent her away, all of them would manage to find a way to bring her back or keep her. Marrying her off to somebody else meaning she is somebody's wife and cannot leave. She's making sure Hae Soo has no reason to return if she's marry since back in the days if you are marry, you belong to that household and once she's married the other princes cannot go find her so casually so to her its the best solution
39 minutes ago, hazzle said:Hmmm.. This is so interesting.
If Ji Mong have large portion to make history change, then maybe he comes from future like HaeSo.
But in C-Ver, because of Ruoxi knowledge and then tell to 8th prince, will cause blod war between princes..
I Dont know how Ji Mong will cause that..
Is that posible because of HaeSo, 8th and 4th princes have a war?
What is Ji Mong truly Identity..
I feel like Ji Mong identity is that he's a time traveler. He knows his history and he knows the rule of time traveling one little thing can change history. He probably knows the outcome of all the princes and he knows who is destined to be king at the end of everything but in order for it to happen something needs to trigger the events. He probably went to the present to find modern day Hae Soo to bring her back since he probably knew she was destined to be the trigger for all the events to happen but her existence will be wipe out in the end and he knows why. I believe he doesn't have any bad intention but to him history needs to happen and to get the outcome he will do what needs to be done. I noticed he made sure to find a way to keep 4th within the palace cause he knows what is about to happen
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53 minutes ago, akinahana89 said:
lol. Sorry, I guess I went off in a completely different direction. At least it helped me refresh my memory for the c-version. LOL.
I get 13th and 14th mixed up sometimes too since I find them a little similar in appearance and I'm not very familiar with either of them. I've never seen Ji Soo in a drama before and my only experience with Nam Joo Hyuk was in Surplus Princess. (But I just remember that 14th prince has smaller eyes than 13th. LOL)
haha so I'm a bit interesting how they take on the love relationship in this version but I'm glad I'm not the only one confusing 13 and 14 cause they look similar in many angles lol. So far I noticed is that 13 doesn't tie his hair all up its like half up and leaves it hanging most of the time and look elegant like those noble guys in those cdramas all hes missing is a fan haha. I'm also liking how they change the 9th prince cause in the cversion he's a bit too gloomy and not talkative and i always feel like he's up to no good but in this one he's immature as the other princes haha
What I really want to see is 13th relationship with Lady Hae like when did he fell for her etc
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1 hour ago, akinahana89 said:
We may not see the arranged marriage between 10th Prince and 8th Prince's sister in MLSHR. After all, 8th Prince's sister is Yeon Hwa and she's basically a silent participant in the struggle for power. 10th Prince also doesn't stand a high chance of getting the throne and I can't see any reason why the King would find it suitable to wed 10th Prince and Yeon Hwa. Plus, Yeon Hwa is only interested in Wang So.
Whereas in the C-version, while 8th Prince's sister is capable of running the household, much like Yeon Hwa, she doesn't desire power and she has no person of interest. 8th Prince's sister is a supporting character and isn't all that significant. But, I feel, Yeon Hwa serves a higher purpose here, especially if she's capable of succeeding in her schemes and, ultimately, does become queen.
Which is why I think arranging a marriage between Yeon Hwa and 10th Prince would contribute nothing to the plot and even goes against history.
Of course, we could simply see 10th Prince forced into a marriage with some random princess or lady instead of Yeon Hwa, which could make more sense. And if 10th Prince is against it because he doesn't love the woman, then I'm certain Hae Soo will have something to say about that as well, but... I guess we'll see. ^^
lol what I meant was that in this version it looks like 10th prince might be hook up probably with another girl possible since we all know in history Yeon Hwa is suppose to be with Wang So. I remember in the trailer there was a female warrior that took interest in 10th, maybe she is arrange to marry him instead? I'm curious who is going to take interest in Seohyun character. I'm getting 13 and 14 confused all the time lol I just know when 13th is on screen is when he has some ornament hanging from his hair
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36 minutes ago, sugarista said:
It seems that the Scarlet heart Ryeo made some adjustments when it comes to the princes. 13th became like some kind the combination of 14th and 13th of BBJX. 13th supposedly her drinking buddy/soulmate/ bestfriend but not husband . But in Moonlovers (as what I read previously, not sure though) he might become the husband which will be one of the people that might witness Soo's last day in Goryeo. Some were divided.
I'm curious how the battle of princes for the throne will play out.. I don't know how the motivation for the fight between 8th and 4th will start. Just like what also previously said Soo doesn't know much of the history so there's a possibility that she will not be the one that will warn 8th about 4th, then will not be the start of the fight or everything.
I'm guessing the motivation is probably Hae Soo and I have a feeling that 8th is actually ambition for the throne he's just not showing it yet. The way when he got annoyed when WS said HS is his and 8th replied nobody is his meaning he is possessive so I have a feeling that when HS begins to fall for WS that's what pushed him to probably want to fight for the throne
Spoilermaybe they changed 13th and 14th role. cause Lady Hae said HS reminded her of 13th alot so he might fall for HS and his character remind me of 14th in BBJX. 14th so far is too playful and i feel like he's not mature
19 minutes ago, akinahana89 said:Oh, sharp eyes! I didn't notice the bandage around her wrist until just now. If I remember correctly, Ruoxi in c-version went through a withdrawal period after the King announced her marriage to the Crown Prince, who had favored her for a concubine after noticing her spunk. She refused to eat or became so depressed, she couldn't eat, and she became ill. 4th Prince was the one who saved her from that depression. He said to trust in him and to believe in him, he'll find a way.
Perhaps MLSHR is taking this section of the plot too and making it their own. Hae Soo can't cope with the idea of losing her freedom and of not being able to marry the man of her choice and for love, so she hurts herself to escape it. I'm intrigued to see where this plot point goes and how they will handle it.I really love the intensity and anger in Wang So's eyes here. Call me weird, but there's something about seeing him angry that makes me kind of swoony too... LOL Especially if that anger comes from knowing Hae Soo had intentionally hurt herself. And the way Hae Soo is unable to look at Wang So strikes me as so vulnerable. She knows what she did was wrong and she probably feels really guilty for it. For worrying Wang So too. But at the time, she probably felt like she had no other way to escape. And no longer being able to avoid the knowledge that her actions caused Wang So to worry makes her unable to meet his eyes, something she would usually do with him.
Also remember when it was 10th prince bday the king arranged him to marry 8th prince wife sister in which later on she ran out of the carriage being unreasonable that 8th knocked her out. She was unhappy to see a cheerful 10th prince force into a marriage he doesnt want. In this one im sure she will be outspoken about it
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1 hour ago, TeBe said:
@KdramaSwimmer But he added also that WS became very obsessive about HS. LJK facial expression when he said that line was a little bit different. I am fearing that his obsession about HS will go overboard and might be the reason he will be so furious about eliminating any threat that he might face. Which means that the bloody fight between 4th and 8th drama will be mainly for HS and not for the throne . I wonder how HS will be reacting to this. I bet she will be blaming herself to death, if the 8th will be killed by his brother because of her. My poor baby Soo ! She won't enjoy WS's love, if it turned out this way.
I feel like 8th is actually ambition but he just hides it for the cversion he was ambition for the throne but doesn't really show it. Like his family, his sister YH is ambition herself cause she wants to get revenge. I feel like 8th when he lose HS that's when he's determine to fight for the throne. HS maybe is part of the reason but maybe cause his family was exile and had to suffer humiliation under the other queen that pushed his buttons
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14 minutes ago, ShinRaeMi said:
@shiraru Rouxi tried to change it. That's why after they broke up, she warned the 8th about the 4th to avoid bloodshed. Ironically, because of her warning, 8th decided to go against the 4th, and thus the tragedies happened and nothing was changed in the history. So, i think regardless of what Rouxi/HS will do in the past, it won't change the history.
Also I feel like the writers want to show that even with time travel, there are things that are destined to happen and nothing can really change it even with somebody from modern time. There are things that happen for a reason and it needs something to push it in order for it to fall into place. That's why I feel the astronomer knew that before hand and meeting modern Hae Soo wasn't just a coincidence
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7 minutes ago, shiraru said:
I know we shouldn't compare...but I was watching Bu Bu Jing Xin a bit (haven't finished), and I noticed that Ruoxi seems to know her history better on Qing than Hae Soo on Goryeo. Just a teeny-tiny thought...since I heard that BBJX ends with history not changing despite Ruoxi's involvement, I think it's possible the writer of Moon Lovers made Hae Soo not knowing her history well on purpose. Hae Soo is quite an upright person judging from her asking for the 10th and 4th to apologize for their fault in earlier episodes, an upright person would want to change everything for the better, if they can prevent tragedies, they would do anything for it. If Hae Soo knows her history better, the possibility of her changing the past would be bigger. But this can be a double edged sword though, Hae Soo can still change the past without her knowing it if she doesn't know her history well.
My theory on the reason why the writers wrote that Hae Soo not knowing her history fully is because like you said if she knows she could want to change history knowing the outcome of their fates. Like in BBJX when Ruoxi knew all the princes fate, she still went ahead and warn 8th to be careful of 4th in which he then aimed to get rid of 4th in which pushed 4th to want the throne. If Hae Soo knew before hand the outcome of the princes she would want to prevent it from happening even though she knows she shouldn't change history. She does remember that out of the princes, one of them will be king and be cruel toward the others but she doesn't know which one. I think the writers tend to do that so when she realized it was 4th all along, she then realized that her presence was the trigger to the history even though the outcome didn't change. Maybe that's how the writers are going to justify for her going back to the past, the astronomer probably went to the future to get modern day Hae Soo cause he knows that 4th is fated to be king and will be since he time traveled but in order to put it in motion he needs somebody to trigger it and that would be Hae Soo. I feel like the writers want Hae Soo to be the trigger that cause it all since probably like in the cversion, she was written out of history so her existence is not present. She probably would remember her history along the way of the journey its like teaching history to a kid. Plus the writers want to make sure they don't change too much cause neitizens will complain that its straying away from the history
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12 minutes ago, Carmarie said:
For the sake of the story, I believe that Hae Soo's character should have know that part of history. I am from America and I know that Taejo was the founder of Goryeo ( from watching many historical K-dramas). I do not think that she should know all the emperors,to be fair, that area has been settled for a long time, but I do think they should have allowed the character to know the major monarchs and major events in history. Our American history, after the invasion of Europeans, cannot compare to the history many Asian and European cultures and I cannot recite all of our American presidents in order; however, I do know which president is connected to a major event or change. If I were transported back to the time of the War of Independence or the Civil War, I would know the major players.
This is my opinion and thought on topic is that the writers intended to write Hae Soo character like that because in the cversion, Ruoxi knew the outcome of the princes before hand and she tries to avoid it/change it and when she tried to change it, it in the end still have the same outcome like
Spoilerwhen Ruoxi warned 8th against 4th and he launch an attack on 13th that pushed 4th to change his mind on getting the throne
She didn't realized that because of that one sentence history is what it is and that she was the cause of it. For me they wrote that Hae Soo have lack of history knowledge because they didn't want it to be too similar to the cversion. Its like Hae Soo knows her history but she chose not to remember it but more like the scene when she met the king, she realized who he was and it hit her about her history like its teaching the audience the same time. but in the trailer preview
Spoilerthere was a moment when she look at the princes, she remember that one of them will be the one to kill them all or give them their tragic fate but she didn't remember who
even though the viewers know who it will be but for ones that don't know their history its a anticipation it like they want the heroine to learn it step by step and realized that with her presence it was part of the change that cause this to happen (I hope that make sense lol)
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2 hours ago, Carmarie said:
You are correct in your recap of the C version. I am surprised that they did not make Soo's character know more Korean history. Soo is an hairdresser/make-up artist in the 21st century; however, she could still know Korean history and understand that she can alter history with her words and actions.
There are similarities between the C-version and the K-version; however, because the dynasties are different and the histories are different, the writers were correct in not trying to stick to close to the original. I like the fact that I do not have to make any comparisons between the two, they are both stand on their own merit.
The 8th Prince's wife loved him and she died while he was carrying her. It was such a sad but a great scene. We find out that the 8th prince did love his wife; however, he was shaken by Hae-Soo. His wife is sickly and fragile and Hae-Soo is full of life. His wife, has become a burden to him, not only because of her illness, but because of the times in which she lived. Hae-Soo, being from the 21st century is liberated and use to doing for herself; therefore, she does not rely on men to do for her. It is liberating to the 8th Prince to watch and interact with this young woman, who is so outgoing and self reliant. She appeals to many of the princes because of her outgoing nature. Even the young prince has a crush on her.
I think Soo will get together with the 8th prince briefly; but ultimately she will fall deeply in love with the 4th prince.
Question: In the C-version, did Ruoxi marry the 14th prince or just move into his household? I have to watch those episodes again.
Like you said both dynasty are two different and the time period is probably different from each other. To me I rather have them adapt a bit of the cversion but stay close to their history cause I'm very interesting in their politics. I'm wondering how the brothers will alley with each other. like in the cversion 4th had 13th by his side while 8th had 9, 10, and 14. I wonder how this one will be like?
4th forbid any ceremony for Ruoxi to enter into 14th household but 14th ignore it and decorate Ruoxi room with some red since she was a bride. and she decided to cover her head in red cloth when she walk into the room. They were to people husband and wife in name. 4th never officiate Ruoxi as 14th concubine so she never was enter into the family registry
Do anybody know why did Lady Han got sick? I mean in the flashback she was full of life and happy. They never really went into depth as to when she got sick or how long :/
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1 hour ago, littleloony said:
merely speculating here about YH--- YH said to her mother that she couldnt forget the grudge against queen Yu when they had met before the 'evil banishing ceremony' at the palace. So I think that some bad event had taken place in the past where YH may have been involved (inadvertently maybe) and Queen Yu had taken advantage of the situation to mediate the banishing of the second queen's family from Songhak. Later as Wook married Lady Hae, they were able to come back again.
This may be why YH is mercenary about being in power, either herself or through her brother remarrying. She seems like she would sorely like to enter the palace and take Queen Yu out of the palace/songhak. In this ambition it is puzzling why she would aim for WS instead of Wang Yo.....cant figure that out. Maybe WS had helped her before in something important.
What is true for YH as of now is that she is vengeful.....be it servants or equals. YH also has a cruel streak in her or it may be alternatively called as extreme princess syndrome induced arrogance, brattiness, feelings of entitlement. She may be running her brother's household because his wife is sick.....but that just rubs me the wrong way how she goes about it.
As much as I dont like YH's character, I think it is being portrayed well.....I just dont know how making her so mean serves the story?
This is my theory on to why YH character took interest in 4th prince. I think she felt connected to him because remember her mother mention they were outcast/exile and without Lady Han family they wouldn't be in where they are. I felt that YH even though she's bratty and a unreasonable, she does it to get attention and when her family was exile she felt alone even though she's a princess and want to fit in somewhere like WS who just want his mother's approval. That's why she took interest in WS because to her he's the only one that really understand her and that to her she will be the only one that understand him because she sees that they have somewhat experience being alone and being an outcast. I feel like she's taking advantage of the situation since her sister in law is sick she gets to run the household and do what she pleases since probably back then when she was exile she was mistreated and now she's taking advantage of it.
Spoilerprobably later when she marries 4th its just to secure power and to control 8th and when she realized he marries her just for that she probably end up turning out probably calmer or probably the opposite causing her to go too much jealously that she's out to harm Hae Soo
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9 minutes ago, ShinRaeMi said:
By the way, according to history (i read it on Wiki), the Crown Prince succeeded the throne after the King died. Then, he was replaced by Wang Yo (3rd) before Wang So (4th) succeeded the throne. I wonder if they will follow the history. I've seen in the teaser that it seems after the King died, Wang So took over the throne because it seems he's the one doing the ritual/ceremony in the funeral of his father. I'm guessing it was when he was wearing a white robe and everyone is also wearing white.
I'm thinking they might stick close to history or else the people would be furious on teaching the young ones wrong history even though its fictional. Its still taking characters from history so they probably stick close to the fact cause in the long trailer
SpoilerWang So and 13th was in battle armor on horses outside the gate probably fighting their way in.
Maybe something happen to the 3rd so he's wearing the garments for the ritual/ceremony since they are brothers
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18 minutes ago, ShinRaeMi said:
It would have been better if they followed the C-version wherein the 8th wife was just forced to marry the 8th. The 8th prince loved his wife so much but she remained cold and distant to him. She didn't showed affection and hasn't loved him in return. I think that was also the reason why the 8th ended up falling in love with Rouxi (HaeSoo).
In the cversion he had 2 wives but in this version 8th only had one but it looks like they combine the wives into one, like
Spoilerin the cversion his first wife help bring 8th status up since his mother was low rank concubine while in the kversion she help bring them back from exile. in the cversion the 8th second wife knows how to ride horses that's how he fell in love with her and in the kversion, she knows how to ride horses. in the cversion, the 2nd concubine asked for a divorce on her death bed since she got sick while in kversion she knew she was dying so she ask him to marry somebody else or divorce her
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13 minutes ago, angelangie said:
i seems to remember someone said that HaeSoo will be teleported back in times and also she wake up with nothing change and no mentioned of 'HaeSoo' in that particular dynasty....
I'm not sure if they will set to change this to have a happy ending or they bend on following the adaptation through
personally i really prefer happy ending though but im preparing myself for the worst :x
SpoilerLike in the cversion she died and her soul transported back to her modern day body in which she was in the hospital and she wonder if it was all jus a dream. She then went to the museum in which they were showing the history and there was no mention of her but she saw a painting in which the girl serving tea to the princes looks exactly like her. So she knew it wasn't a dream. She wasn't in the history was because in the cversion and novel, she never officially became 4th concubine and when she became 14th concubine, 4th didn't add her to the family tree or history because to him she was his not 14th so he rather erase her from history
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10 minutes ago, ruzikie said:
but he will not end up with hae soo right ? i guess i have to blame Baekhyun's OST because i was too much listening of the OST that baekhyun, chen and xiumin sang, i end up rooting Hae Soo with Wang So hahahaha. I am the minority of Wang Soo and Hae Soo shipper here guys.
Spoilersince this is a adaption to the cversion, then it probably go like this, when 4th became king, he took in Hae Soo character in as his "concubine" but she wasn't officially a concubine nor given the title. But he did spend time with her and she did get pregnant but in the cversion, 8th prince wife told her it was all her doing that cause 8th downfall because in the cversion she warned 8th to beware of 4th that cause him to attack 4th's people (the 13th prince) in which when 4th became king, he took revenge on the people that harm him and 13th prince. She lost her baby in which 4th blamed 8th prince and his wife and made him divorce her and she committed suicide. Hae Soo character fell into depression and wants to leave the palace so she told 13th to give 14th a message saying "okay" to what he ask her before in which was before the king died, he gave 14th a edict in making Hae Soo his concubine so she got a chance to leave the palace but 4th didn't agree to but he doesn't want other to say he's being disrespectful to the past king so he hesitated till 8th said some stuff which pissed off 4th and he let Hae Soo leaves. But due to her illness and depression, she was getting sicker and her time was ending so she wrote a letter to 4th in which he put aside thinking since its coming from 14th its nonsense. So she died without seeing 4th but 14th was beside her when she died. When 4th read that 14th prince concubine died he regret it she went back to present day in which she was wondering was it all a dream. But when she went to the museum of history she saw a painting that included all the princes and she noticed a girl that looks like her and she realized it wasn't a dream then she bump into modern day 4th prince
That's how the cversion went I'm pretty sure kversion will change it up to match their history but they probably keep some details. and who knows they might do a sequel since the cversion had a sequel in modern day lol
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20 minutes ago, ruzikie said:
Wang So will die in the end right meanwhile the reason i watch this because of him saying bogosipotta to Haesoo. gosh, don't tell me it will have a tragic ending.
SpoilerWang So (4th prince) isn't going to die, in history, he will become the king meanwhile his other brothers some ended up with tragic fate. Since this is an adaption to the cversion, the story will get darker later with politics involved with the main princes fighting for the throne. So in this version it looks like it will be 3rd, 4th and 8th that will fight for the throne and in the end its 4th version 8th in which the other princes will allied themselves between the two princes. In the cversion the one that supported 4th was only 13 while 9, 10, 14 supported 8th .
So if this adaption is base loosely on the cversion, it will have a tragic ending so prepare tissues
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2 hours ago, violet90 said:
Actually if you remember correctly also
Spoilerin the cdrama one, the 4th became cruel was because 13th was blamed for something he didn't do and was imprisoned and they had a close relationship so that was what made him want to fight for the throne and became cruel. When Ruoxi lost her baby he was already cruel just that far out but when she lost the baby that's when he decided to take out the ones that supported 8 because to him they were still a threat.
Even though he was cruel to his family member, he was a good king to his people. What trigger him to become who he is, is the people he called family that pushed him into the corner.
1 hour ago, louisawatson said:Earrings are actually Goryeo fashion. Men both wear makeup and earrings.
early Joseon period men also actually wore earrings but they stopped when king ordered to never wear them. of course, most people didn't even listen, but i guess it died out.
1 hour ago, cedarwood said:Because he's a prince, a noble and they were wearing such stuff. I think rich men could wear such jewelery and it wasn't strange back then. Today a man wearing such earrings (earings in general are not confusing anymore but not with pearls and stuff) would have errr huge attention. Back then it was all normal and ok.
I did watch few so I noticed the differences. And so many clothes actually put on one person, so many layers! I wonder if it was comfortable and if ppl didn't suffer overheating. But the beauty of those materials, embroidery, gems... WOW!
thanks for the info! but man its distracting when I look at it. lol with the clothes it does remind me of a scene
Spoilerin the cversion where Ruoxi had to wear a bunch of layers and she was sweating saying won't one die suffocated wearing that much layer of clothes lol
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This is just me but why is the 3rd prince wearing earrings lol. I mean im trying not to focus but its like right there. One side i get but both? What so far I'm liking with this adaption is that the princes are close with each other and that there is no drift between them yet. They are living like princes having fun without realizing trouble is about to start. All the princes know how to defend themselves and not weak. But I'm still not liking the ost the instrumentals are good but the songs not a big big fan of it cause I feel a bit too modernized
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53 minutes ago, Yippeuni said:
OMO I just realize it...if that's the case then Soo will not ended with my Hae Soo???? Omaya...poor Hae Soo...she definitely will not end with Wook...but she also cannot be with Soo....
Why? Is it maybe because she will transport back to the future??? And in the future she will meet present Soo and be a couple in present day...
Since this drama is adapted from the c-version, then this would happen
Spoilerin the c-version Hansoo character did became the 4th concubine but she wasn't given that title and after realizing that she was the cause of the change in the 4th prince that made him make the move against the other prince, she fell into depression, had a miscarriage and then wanted to leave the palace in which the 8th knew the 4th wouldn't let her leave so he went and confronted the 4th and told him about his past relationship with Hansoo character in which anger the 4th. That time the 14th brought in edict that the past king gave to him before dying which was to let Hansoo character become his concubine. The 4th knows that if he goes against the edict he will be mention as not honoring his father so he agreed. So Hansoo character finally gets to leave the palace and live in the 14th house with his main wife. But then due to her depression she suffer she was gravely ill and when she was dying she wrote a letter to the 4th wanting to see him one last time but he didn't look at it so she died with 14th beside and that's when her soul transport back into her modern day body. then when she woke up she went to this museum and noticed the painting with all the prince and the king and saw an girl that looks like her and she realized it was not a dream and there she saw modern day 4th prince
so I'm pretty sure they will keep it loosely close to it since its an adaption and don't want to drift too far from what the ending was suppose to be like
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14 minutes ago, Yippeuni said:
If I'm not mistaken the 2nd prince is dead. During the scene where she hurt Soo, before she was mention that is the king not feel sorry for her that her child is dead. But what that I still don't get it, why she hate Soo so much and even hurt him like that. She already had Yook also at that time, but why she only hurt Soo??
And that crazy eomma can act very lovingly to Yook and Jung, but very cold and mean to Soo. I am begin to think was in this story the 2nd prince died because of Soo?
I'm thinking also that probably the 4th was favored by the king cause king usually have a favorite child and it was probably 4th was his favorite so to her hurting 4th would hurt the king directly that's why she held him to threaten the king. Then she also dislike him cause even using him as a target when he was young didn't change the king mind of getting another wife in which to her the 4th became useless cause the king is still going to marry somebody and have more kids and her children will not be his favorite anymore. Probably after that incident 4th became quiet and isolated himself from everybody and his personality changed and so she focus her ambition on the 3rd cause she knows he is 2nd/3rd in line for the throne
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9 minutes ago, uuugogirl said:
This trigger is a really big deal that turns me off from shipping Ruoxi/ Haeso with 8th prince, she is his wife's cousin after all. In the C-version, Ruoxi even thought about become 8th prince's concubine, two sisters served the same man!!! How could Ruoxi do that to herself and her sister??? She was a 21st century independent girl, not an ancient woman, ughhh. I hope that Haesoo won't think the same or at least Wangso and 14th Prince Wang Jung will try their best to prevent her from thinking about that madness idea.
Back in ancient times its alright to marry within the family. Its weird but to them their thinking is different from modern day. For example in many dramas like if the sister cannot give birth they would get their siblings or somebody within the family to have male heir for the family and take it in as their own. But don't forget she did spend her time in ancient time for a while so she learn to adapt it thinking she might not be able to return. Plus when you fall for somebody you ignore all the issues plus her sister didn't love the 8th at all because her heart belong to somebody else so she knows that it won't do her sister any harm. If this were to follow similar to the c-version, Haesoo would probably do what Ruoxi did cause don't forget because of her the wheels of fate turn if you get what i mean
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So in the cversion, Ruoxi knew her history quite well even when she was called to face the king, she knew who he was and what he did in his life to get to the throne. When she met the princes, at first it didn't hit her but when they were all sitting talking and laughing, she had a flash in her mind of the outcome of all the princes and what they will suffer at the end. The time she spent with 8th she liked him and didn't want what would happen to him so she tried to change his fate. (To me, when I was watching, i felt that if she thought if she can change 8th fate, she can change all of theirs from theirs but it didn't). Her relationship with 4th at that time was mutual, she would avoid him because she knows he would be the future king and that he is the ultimate winner at the end of the fight for the throne, but because of that he would find her interesting and would find chances to talk to her even if its just to pissed her off. He couldn't help himself from falling in love with her and he's the type that do not let his emotions control him but with her he let his guard down. When Ruoxi broke off with 8th, she knew her only way to survive within the walls of the palace is to side with 4th in which in the beginning she side for survival but that's when she let her guard down and fell for him. When she warn 8th to be aware of 4th, she didn't think that because of her words, it was what cause the history to take its course. Worst was she gave 8th a list of names he should be aware of. She warned 8th was because she loved him but then she loved herself knowing that if she picked 8th and if history was corrected, he will fall and his whole family will too so it was a risk for her to picked 8th that was when she asked him to pick between the throne or her. He worked to hard to get where he is in so giving it up is a big no so she left him.
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If your referring when will he fight for the throne it won't be that soon. Things has to trigger for it to happen
like probably crown prince mu death, the kings (their father) death, probably imprisonment of 13th that will happen that will pushed 4th prince to sought on getting back at everybody
Its just the beginning so if the drama is at least 20 episodes 4th story line won't story till closely episode 15ish