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[Drama 2018-2019] Empress Dignity / The Last Empress, 황후의 품격

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4 hours ago, gm4queen said:

 

Is that the former guard..? And yes, I too got it that it's the same island on the painting! Thanks for conforming my suspicion, dear.. :wub: Even the guards know about the island! Then what it could be..?! I wonder whether it is related to the former empress So Hyun!

 

And I must have missed the blood type part completely! So I watched it again. There were certain K-dramas that included AB blood type as a key factor in the plot recently... I hope it's the same reason here as well. AB blood type is very rare. You can receive any other blood type when you have AB... And AB- is highly rare. Then Lee Hyuk only can accept any negative blood from another person. But if he gets any positive blood, his life will put in danger!! So now it's clear, Lee Hyuk has a dark secret that everyone is framing him without knowing himself.. His mother is so cruel. He is the puppet of his own mother!! :o And I sense that his life will depend on his blood type in upcoming eps....

 

And 10 yrs ago, he somehow received AB- blood to survive. But it seems like the blood was for Sunny's mom out there... :o And she couldn't receive the blood & she lost her life...

That's my issue with that part of the drama. From what I have read, it seemed that in the state of emergency, there are doctors that administered RH+ for patients if the hospital runs out of blood because the patient would not develop an immediate adverse effect (but there are, in some cases when the patient reacts adversely to the blood would immediate develop antibody to attack the wrong blood cell...but a crossmatch test would have been done to ensure that the unit of blood could be administered) until a few weeks later...and RH+ blood have been used on patients with RH- in a state of emergency. With AB-, that can get from A, B, and O, I can't believe that their two lives cannot be saved. If it is only because their blood type is AB-, then I find that harder to believe. Furthermore, in most cases, the hospital would resort to asking for immediate blood donation from immediate family members or relatives that are present. 

http://anesthesiology.pubs.asahq.org/article.aspx?articleid=2667567

 

However, if there are other condition such as Bombay blood...that is easier to believe. 

 

Edit: By no mean am I a doctor, so everything I said could be wrong. I just find the scene kind of unbelievable (but most of this drama is unbelievable as well...:sweatingbullets:)

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It says a lot for this drama and for Shin Sung rok that a despicable character that repulses you one minute can melt your heart and make you go awwwww the next.

 

I was charmed by Lee Hyuk in the first few episodes, but grew to loathe him when I found out how horrible he was.

 

This episode, I'm charmed by him again. Well, it actually started again after the episode where he and Sunny and the little princess were playing that kicking game on camera. The little smile he gave when he watched Sunny's antics was just lovely. It melted my heart. It was so fast that I thought that I had imagined it.

 

Then this episode, all the best moments for me were his moments.

His face falling when he sees Sunny with WS.

Him saying to himself, why should I avoid them?

Him forcing himself in between the other two. 

Him saying churlishly, I want to drink coffee, then yelling like a spoilt child, Everything belongs to me! but too shy to say, That includes you, my empress.

Grinning with satisfaction at the packets of instant coffee.

Stuffing them guiltily in his pockets when he sees his mother.

Breaking my heart when he says slowly, and reluctantly, looking so lost, But I don't want to divorce her.

Coming to Sunny's aid, acting silly when he's always so careful with his public image.

Looking at Sunny as if he's hurting, seeing her cry, and saying, Don't say all these things, my empress has a tender heart.

Hugging her tightly, desperately, even though he knows she hates him.

 

The rare blood will be significant, I think. He'd probably give her his blood to save her life, and that will be the real proof that he loves her.

 

I think that he's learning to be human, and what it means to be human. He's no different from Princess Ari, who doesn't know what it means to treat others with respect. Both of them were brought up in an environment where they were taught values which are warped. Sunny will teach them to be human and this drama is telling us that no one is beyond redemption, that revenge begets revenge, and that love, not revenge, is the way forward.

 

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6 hours ago, jechoi1 said:

Finally, AB- blood is rare, but having AB- blood means that the Emperor could have received any blood that is negative, such as O-, A-, B-, and AB-.  If plasma is what he needed, then that would be different because that's the opposite and AB- plasma is indeed rare and can only accept AB- plasma (the universal plasma donor).  Plus, given that he has such a rare blood type, you would think that the palace keeps it in supply for emergencies.  I know, I know, it's all for dramatic effect, but I just wish that these drama writers would research some of these things more clearly.

 

Hahaha. I thought the same thing. If he's AB- than he could recieve blood from 4 blood types as long as its negative. It wouldnt be as hard as finding O- blood that could only accept O-. Ditto about plasma. If  he needed plasma than AB- would be totally rare since then he can only accept AB- plasma.

 

As for palace bloodstock, well maybe the royals didn't forsee themselves to be the ones bleeding :sweatingbullets:.

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3 hours ago, ChewyChocolate said:

It says a lot for this drama and for Shin Sung rok that a despicable character that repulses you one minute can melt your heart and make you go awwwww the next.

 

I was charmed by Lee Hyuk in the first few episodes, but grew to loathe him when I found out how horrible he was.

 

This episode, I'm charmed by him again. Well, it actually started again after the episode where he and Sunny and the little princess were playing that kicking game on camera. The little smile he gave when he watched Sunny's antics was just lovely. It melted my heart. It was so fast that I thought that I had imagined it.

 

 

 

I logged in just to say I am in the same boat!

 

tbh I stopped watching after the first few episodes because I thought that the writer was missing this chance to develop a complex relationship between Lee Hyuk and Sunny, especially back when he was still trying to pretend. I wanted to see more interactions that would’ve introduced this conflict earlier: an earlier LH who wanted to kill off Sunny but was either touched or curious about her. I think it would’ve been better to show these scenes earlier, so even Sunny’s quest for revenge won’t feel too easy if he’d been helping her unexpectedly before he tried to kill her.

 

better late than never, I guess.

 

LH is a complex character that I would’ve been more invested in had he been written by a better writer haha. I feel like the writer can’t balance or pace things very well because the gradual changes happens in chopped moments, instead of consistently. I.e. that time when Sunny was angry at LH in his study, and it was his first time seeing her feisty, stubborn side that Shin Sung Rok showed this slightly taken aback expression after Sunny left the study. And then...that development stopped for a while. So after a drought, the recent episodes show us LH’s other side again - that person who, when not fighting his family for greed and survival can respond to goodness in others. Then he could contrast it to his relationship with Yu Ra even before he learned of her betrayal. That moment would’ve been a highlight of how Sunny is different from how the women around him treat him (as the only one who didn’t use him, or expect anything from him). Oh well. I will leave myself to just imagine the could-have-been’s.

 

I don’t expect Sunny to fall for him ever again since he’d really done disgusting things, but it would be nice if the show could integrate these grey areas smoother. Even criminals in RL are layered and gray — serial killers who are otherwise loving fathers or sons, etc. Ah well, this is makjang  drama after all. I shouldn’t try to find something like Hundred Million Stars haha.

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This has been on my mind for the longest time... Is WB less guilty than LH when it comes to murdering Sunni?

In my opinion they are equally guilty... I guess that is why I find it hard to ship her with both of them.. 

 

Both men have their issues..both are quite scary when they try to mete out punishment on their enemies.... 

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2 hours ago, Anna Tan said:

This has been on my mind for the longest time... Is WB less guilty than LH when it comes to murdering Sunni?

In my opinion they are equally guilty... I guess that is why I find it hard to ship her with both of them.. 

 

Both men have their issues..both are quite scary when they try to mete out punishment on their enemies.... 

I think the reason why most people are not so harsch on WB when it comes to killing Sunni is the fact that while he did pushed her down the cliff he made sure that she wouldn´t die and would be rescued. If he had rejected the order it would have caused issue with LH and most importantly LH could have done it himself or hire someone else to do it and in that scenario she would have died. 

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17 hours ago, Anna Tan said:

This has been on my mind for the longest time... Is WB less guilty than LH when it comes to murdering Sunni?

In my opinion they are equally guilty... I guess that is why I find it hard to ship her with both of them.. 

 

Both men have their issues..both are quite scary when they try to mete out punishment on their enemies.... 

He did this multiple times to save her life how do you think the other guy found her?

 

How many times have he risk his life and his cover for her now?


No they are NOWHERE near the same at  all LH is a monster that orders all of this  WB pretends he follows but then an alter the plans.

 

 

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Hi guys...I'm new comer in this thread. I really love this drama. It's complicated but makes me addicted to watch. Until now, my fav character is Na Wang Sik. Because he always protect person he loves (his mom and Dong Sik), respect Sunny ( I don't think he loves her at this stage) and very strategic. He knows how to handle the emperor and makes him 'follow' his plans without him realizing. Sunny is a good girl, but I think she's a nit careless which make her sometimes in danger. I see rare character like Na Wang Sik in any drama because he's like the combination of smart and strong guy. I do feel symphaty to emperor but I think he's really weak person to become a king. His brother is much more brave and smart than him. For me, the emperor is cute but scary at the same time. I think he has bipolar. Whatever it is, I hope he pay what he's done. For romance, I'm enjoying small romance development of Wang Sik and Sunny. I hope after all the messy stuff we have in this drama, they will start show affection towards each other. I want their relationship comes clean. So now, I enjoy their interaction as partner to solve the mystery in the palace. At least we see Sunny starting care and worry about her bodyguard. 

 

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6 hours ago, Anna Tan said:

This has been on my mind for the longest time... Is WB less guilty than LH when it comes to murdering Sunni?

In my opinion they are equally guilty... I guess that is why I find it hard to ship her with both of them.. 

 

Both men have their issues..both are quite scary when they try to mete out punishment on their enemies.... 

It all boils down to the intention. LH's intention was to get rid of Sunny, whereas WB's intention was to save her and keep her away from the danger that was in the palace. WB never intended to kill her, whereas LH did. So...no, they aren't the same. 

 

In many ways, WB is not as scary as LH. WB tries to avoid getting others involved with his revenge. Although he was manipulating the princess, he also tried to prevent her from signing the document that her mother gave her (and would ultimately causes harm to her). He watched out for Sunny, even though he puts his plan at risk because of her. He's more "noble" in his mission...whereas LH doesn't care who he hurts as he continues his goal and disposed of others when they have served their use. He only treats two people differently: his first wife and his grandmother (his attempt to kill her was induced by his mother, but once he committed the act, and his grandmother accused him for it, he didn't kill her...and that was different from how he react to his opponent, even though he knew his grandmother would ultimately do something--audit--to harm him).

 

As for Sunny...I am glad to see how much she has grown. Remember how she fell in love with LH? He caught her as she fell from the stage. The show mimics another situation like that because this time, she fell from the ladder, and WB was the one who caught her. LH didn't catch her this time because the first time he did, he didn't hold onto her and treasure her, so this time, he caught nothing...indicating he had let his opportunity slipped away. And this time, Sunny didn't immediately fall in love with WB because he saved her from the fall. As she said, when she replied back to LH about her simplicity, that she was simple enough to fall for his fake sympathy. She's more rational than in the past.

 

Also, I can't see Sunny falling for WB as for now. She was worried about him because she felt guilty for what had happened to him, and she felt grateful for his help and care. For now, Sunny cared for him as a friend, a comrade, and a companion in the dangerous palace, and she is more worried about solving the mystery and correcting the wrongs she had committed (being used as a cover-up for the murder of WB's mom) and the wrongs that were committed against her.  WB might subconsciously know he was starting to like Sunny (because WB was concerned he would developed real feelings for Sunny as he went through with the "seduction" plan), but his goal takes preceding and that's why he told Sunny she must make the emperor like her. 

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11 hours ago, Anna Tan said:

This has been on my mind for the longest time... Is WB less guilty than LH when it comes to murdering Sunni?

In my opinion they are equally guilty... I guess that is why I find it hard to ship her with both of them.. 

 

Both men have their issues..both are quite scary when they try to mete out punishment on their enemies.... 

One of the reason why I really like WB's character is he doesn't put his ego above anything. Like someone said previously, he has intention to take revenge. But he also take care others (who didn't do anything wrong) and won't put them in harms. He protects Sunny a lot. He didn't do anything bad to Lee Hyuk's sister. He just using her to get more clues. He even safe Yura from Lee Hyuk's plan to kill her. He guarantee others safe from his plans. But seems he doesn't think calculate one bad person in the palace, the nanny. 

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Alot of psychopath are consider charming that is what makes them dangerous its all an act.


He puts on these acts after setting a car on fire with someone inside and  torturing someone shows you have crazy he is.

 

They can play all the zanny music they can but its beyond creepy to see him act this way after the horrible things he continues to do.

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Is Hyuk not the main lead in this? I always thought he was the main lead because of his screentime ahaha

 

Anyways. I can not find myself to hate Hyuk completely especially after seeing him in the latest eps. He was a bumbling mess hahaha

 

Hyukkkk~~~

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I hope he gets punished for his wrong doings and turn out as a better person at the end•

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I have to say that I'm seriously conflicted about Hyuk. Is that perhaps the genius of his character? At times I find him despicable and his actions cavalier beyond belief. I feel sorry for him because of his childhood and that he never felt loved and has self-esteem issues. But, he's also oddly naive about things, and he clearly can't control his temper which leads to viewing him as in a state of arrested development, despite the fact that he's the monarch of a nation. His bumbling can be a bit endearing. And, he's able to feel strong affection for others.

 

It's just that at the end of the day, he's still a murderous, out-of-control, narcissistic jerk who refuses to take responsibility for anything. Mommy and Daddy issues may be scars for life, but at some point, as an adult, one has to take responsibility for one's actions and the consequences, whether good or bad.

 

So, despite feeling conflicted, I guess I want Hyuk brought down as monarch and possibly put into jail if he doesn't die some how. Actually, given the hot mess of this drama, I'm still hoping that they just bring the entire monarchy down.

 

Btw, no conflicted feelings about YR or the Dowager Empress, and no sympathy either. They're both just evil. I may not have liked the scenes which seemed to border on torture with YR, but I have to confess that I didn't really care either. At least not about her. Rather, it's the ruthlessness that Hyuk displays for this woman who he used to profess to care for that made it chilling.

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20 minutes ago, stroppyse said:

Rather, it's the ruthlessness that Hyuk displays for this woman who he used to profess to care for that made it chilling.

 

I think it was precisely because she earned his trust and affection, somewhat, in the beginning. So the hurt/betrayal he felt at learning the truth felt worse than a normal person's betrayal. He's just too extreme. It's like, hurt him once he'll lash back a million times, hence the tortures. 

 

But it's interesting to see too that he is unhinged in that extreme sense. Now that Sunny's caught his interest, it looks like he flipped 180. There's no gradualness to him at all haha.

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Maybe what LH needs is a scolding and a beating from Sunny like she did Ari...? :P He does seem to be scared of her now :lol:

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39 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

Maybe what LH needs is a scolding and a beating from Sunny like she did Ari...? :P He does seem to be scared of her now :lol:

 

Lol! Not sure if works. Maybe sunny needs to try this out :lol:

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i want sunny to pretend she likes lee hyuk too so she can use him to get rid of omamama...after that, she should break lee hyuk's heart (if he has any). then, woo bin can seek revenge for his mother's death! ohhh revenge is best served cold, on a royal platter kekeke..

 

i kinda like princess Ari now. looks like she really appreciates sunny as her mother :blush:

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Newbie here. I just wanna say I love this drama despite the craziness. It’s very entertaining and there’s never a dull moment. A bit refreshing from other dramas actually. 

 

Anyway, I found this fanmade video of Lee Hyuk and Sunny. I know he’s evil but because of Shin Sung Rok’s dorky scenes, I sometimes wish this show was a romcom instead. He and Jang Nara have a great chemistry. 

 

 

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