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[Drama 2018-2019] Fates and Furies 운명과 분노

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1 hour ago, Carmarie said:

 

I actually went back to the beginning and watched a few of the earlier episodes in order to refresh my memory, such as; when did HR tell IJ she liked him and it was before she was handed the envelop with what looked like damaging evidence. Therefore, I am not as resolute as you are about Hae-Ra. We know that someone approached TH about breaking up SH and IJ; however, he was the one who set things in motion.  For you to readily absolve TH of what he did because he has a sick child does not cut it for me.  Did he not have a sick child when the woman approached him?    Somewhere I read words to the effect of " it is not the one that do the wrong, but the one that has pleasure in it."  That statement applies to several people in this drama, (the mystery lady, TH, the step mother and the half brother); however, Hae-Ra is not one of them.  For me "Fates and Furies" have definite black and white areas; however, it has some grey areas also and for me Hae-Ra falls into the grey area.

 

I am really not absolve him from anything , maybe I didn’t put my  thought the way I wanted , English never was my strong language , and I agree with u there are different areas in this drama , there are no saints among them for sure 

 

That why  I said he was disgusting for putting his hand on a woman , and threatening her , and horrible for plotting to destroy someone else relationship, and coming between them , his problem was with Hae-Ra and SH I belive . 

 

But I can’t remember him hurting In Joon’s, so what he wanted to destroy his relationship, and the same time introduce him to woman that become the love of his life , in my mind , it was a little plot that start with stealing a heart and end with putting someone in prison, Him and Hae-Ra now like two suspect that try to steal a bank one of them bring a gun and killed someone so one of them satisfied about what happen , make a deal and  get suspended sentences and the other one get a life in prison because he done it fire the gun . 

 

For me Hae Ra pull the trigger, she cut Tae o from her plotting long ago - or maybe I am so harsh with Hae Ra I see everything so do horrible 

 

Me too I like ur post ,and everyone, that what make it fun watching drama for me , sometimes I read about it I go back watched it , see if I feel differently about sence . Sorry everyone one I don’t mean to repeat my self 

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@Carmarie @Ameera Ali ~ have no reading on tae oh because he feels so underdeveloped as a character. besides him looking mopey, we have no insight into his relationship with cha soo hyun or what he wants from her. she meanwhile seems to be kind of hung up on injoon but we don't know why she dumped tae oh or abandoned jennie. the drama is kind of like a dish that could have been so good but is edible as long as you don't have fancy expectations. the actors including all the side actors and villains are doing a decent job. otherwise, this drama would really sink given the many plot holes and questions we have. guess, it is one of those feel dramas where we just watch to pass time as we are sort of intrigued and we have nothing better on TV?

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I am waiting to catch up with everyone because as of last night, the last four episodes were not completely subed.  Once I see the episodes with subs, I am sure some of my opinions will change or be solidified.  Right now, even without the subs I completely understand In Joon's angry and hurt; however, if he is going to be successful in taking his step mother and brother down, he must put compartmentalize those hurt feelings so that he and Hae Ra can work together.  There is a big picture and to me, right now he is not looking at the big picture.  He needs a waterproof, bulletproof plan and Hae Ra can help him.  She has been in a position, for two years, to see the organization from the inside, and gather vital intel.  In Joon needs this information.  Hate Hae Ra later, focus on the step mother and brother now.  As many of you have stated in your posts, In Joon is not acting smart.  A man without a plan is destined to fail.  There is a saying, behind every successful man is a woman.  Right now, if In Joon is going to be successful, like it or not, he needs Hae Ra.  She has put as much, or more energy into to bringing In Joon back to his original state as she did in bringing him down.  She is smart, she is focused and she is farsighted.  In Joon, stop being dumb and use your assets to your advantage.    

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I am going to express some thoughts that have been on my mind for a while now.  Many are blaming the lack of communication all on Hae Ra, including me.   However, I have to lay some of that blame at In Joon's feet.  How, you might ask? 

When Soo-Hyun went to In Joon and told him about Hae-Ra and gave him the documents she found, instead of In Joon confronting Hae-Ra, all he said to Hae-Ra is "Do you have something you want to tell me"?  UH?  Do you have something you want to tell me, really.  If I was In-Joon, "Hae-Ra, we need to talk.  I have these documents, which indicate that Tae O and you plotted to breakup the relationship between Soo-Hyun and me (show her the documents), what is going on"?  "I want you to explain it to me."  That conversation alone would have saved his butt from going to jail.  During the same discussion, Hae-Ra to In Joon, "do you have anything to tell me"? No, no, no!  It should have been ... Hae-Ra to In-Joon, "Is it true you had an affair with my sister"? Is she in a comma because of you, tell me what happened"? That was the time for her to come clean (had he asked) and tell him about the information she had and the her questions about the relationship between him and her sister.  If they had that conversation, the writer, director, producer and cast would have had extra episodes to SMARTLY plan the down fall of the brother and mother and perhaps give us some background on the sister-in-law.  Also, both his uncle and her best friend would still be alive. (Perhaps we could have also been treated to a nice wedding.) 

As you can see confronting the problem up front and asking the right questions can save lives, and keep one out of jail.  Perhaps the next K-drama which this writer has an opportunity to write the script for, this idea will take hold and the characters will not richard simmonsume but ask questions, and get answers.  The writer must remember the audience want answers, not misunderstandings. Both of these characters are over thirty; therefore, we want to see smart characters in mature relationships.   

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My 3 cents...

 

I find it funny how focused everyone is on HR not being deserving of a reconciliation with IJ due to the part she played in him going to jail. The only part she played was giving him the sleeping pill that kept him from the board meeting. But, let's say for argument sake, he had been there. He would not have gotten in the meeting, and if he had, the directors would have turned on him, as JH had already paid them off to get their support. Evil stepbrother still had to be voted in and it passed because he had a little bit of the majority.

 

HR's mistake was believing all of the circumstantial evidence she was presented with, and not having at least one piece of hard evidence. In her defense, there was a LOT. First the loan guy retrieved the hospital record. She saw the notes from Dr. Kim stating it wasn't a suicide. She saw how her sister was found and she saw the receipt from the hospital with IJ's signature on it. She recognized his handwriting. Then she was told this was all true from the doctor himself, and the stepmother. It took ALL of that for her to believe it. She doubted it up until that point. The combination of the CCTV picture of IJ and her sister and the stepmother confirming the details of that night is when it finally became real for her. Was it stupid, yes, but I can still see why she would believe it.

 

However, no one is discussing IJ's role in what happened to her sister. Yes, they had contact, and he ended up saving her life by breaking into her car and taking her to the hospital. However, after he found out how she got like that, he sat quiet and pretended like it didn't happen. His passive actions back then is what led to the karmic unfairness of him going to jail. He said it himself, that he should've done or said something then and he did nothing.Although I feel the secretary uncle had more fault than anyone because he is the one who helped cover it all up back then.

 

I want to give IJ more credit, but he has been frustrating throughout the drama. First, he came back and wanted revenge on his father and stepbrother. He did nothing. He took the little position at the company and then failed at getting Gold Shoes to where he wanted it to be. That is why he went and looked for HR to begin with, he needed someone who was a good designer and could make shoes and had a passion for it like his mother did. Of all of those people, including those crappy designers who disrespect HR, no one was getting the job done. They may not like that she is the CEO now, but had it not been for her, they would've all been out of jobs. JH was going to absolve the company and still plans to do so which is why he used the shoe company as the cover for his slush fund.

 

The real betrayal did come from mommie dearest and her evil son. The pushed him out of Gold Shoes, took his shares that he willingly handed over, not because of HR, but because he wanted to get back at his father who just wanted him to work for the company. Then they penned the sister's attempted murder on him. I want to feel more sympathy for IJ, but he was dumber than HR. Now after two years of sitting in jail, the only thing he could come up with was trying to sway some directors? Why would they side with a felon? Make it make sense. Even the factory worker guy was like make sure you focus on the right people. Had it not been for HR and useless SIL, IJ would not have a leg to stand on right now.

 

Finally, SH. I still don't like her. Why is she trying to get revenge on HR? Is she still mad she didn't marry IJ? That wouldn't have happened even if HR wasn't in the picture.She hasn't accepted that IJ never loved her like she wanted. She hasn't accepted that it was all an arrangement from the very beginning. She is also horrible person. I get that she doesn't want to be with TH, he's not my favorite person either, but that's your child. How do you just pretend like you don't have a child? She has no right to judge HR, when she didn't disclose to IJ her secret daughter.  I also don't feel sorry for the father. The family that he "chose" has been keeping him as a human vegetable. Karma is a funny thing.

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1 hour ago, nubianlegalmind said:

My 3 cents...

 

I find it funny how focused everyone is on HR not being deserving of a reconciliation with IJ due to the part she played in him going to jail. The only part she played was giving him the sleeping pill that kept him from the board meeting. But, let's say for argument sake, he had been there. He would not have gotten in the meeting, and if he had, the directors would have turned on him, as JH had already paid them off to get their support. Evil stepbrother still had to be voted in and it passed because he had a little bit of the majority.

 

HR's mistake was believing all of the circumstantial evidence she was presented with, and not having at least one piece of hard evidence. In her defense, there was a LOT. First the loan guy retrieved the hospital record. She saw the notes from Dr. Kim stating it wasn't a suicide. She saw how her sister was found and she saw the receipt from the hospital with IJ's signature on it. She recognized his handwriting. Then she was told this was all true from the doctor himself, and the stepmother. It took ALL of that for her to believe it. She doubted it up until that point. The combination of the CCTV picture of IJ and her sister and the stepmother confirming the details of that night is when it finally became real for her. Was it stupid, yes, but I can still see why she would believe it.

 

However, no one is discussing IJ's role in what happened to her sister. Yes, they had contact, and he ended up saving her life by breaking into her car and taking her to the hospital. However, after he found out how she got like that, he sat quiet and pretended like it didn't happen. His passive actions back then is what led to the karmic unfairness of him going to jail. He said it himself, that he should've done or said something then and he did nothing.Although I feel the secretary uncle had more fault than anyone because he is the one who helped cover it all up back then.

 

I want to give IJ more credit, but he has been frustrating throughout the drama. First, he came back and wanted revenge on his father and stepbrother. He did nothing. He took the little position at the company and then failed at getting Gold Shoes to where he wanted it to be. That is why he went and looked for HR to begin with, he needed someone who was a good designer and could make shoes and had a passion for it like his mother did. Of all of those people, including those crappy designers who disrespect HR, no one was getting the job done. They may not like that she is the CEO now, but had it not been for her, they would've all been out of jobs. JH was going to absolve the company and still plans to do so which is why he used the shoe company as the cover for his slush fund.

 

The real betrayal did come from mommie dearest and her evil son. The pushed him out of Gold Shoes, took his shares that he willingly handed over, not because of HR, but because he wanted to get back at his father who just wanted him to work for the company. Then they penned the sister's attempted murder on him. I want to feel more sympathy for IJ, but he was dumber than HR. Now after two years of sitting in jail, the only thing he could come up with was trying to sway some directors? Why would they side with a felon? Make it make sense. Even the factory worker guy was like make sure you focus on the right people. Had it not been for HR and useless SIL, IJ would not have a leg to stand on right now.

 

Finally, SH. I still don't like her. Why is she trying to get revenge on HR? Is she still mad she didn't marry IJ? That wouldn't have happened even if HR wasn't in the picture.She hasn't accepted that IJ never loved her like she wanted. She hasn't accepted that it was all an arrangement from the very beginning. She is also horrible person. I get that she doesn't want to be with TH, he's not my favorite person either, but that's your child. How do you just pretend like you don't have a child? She has no right to judge HR, when she didn't disclose to IJ her secret daughter.  I also don't feel sorry for the father. The family that he "chose" has been keeping him as a human vegetable. Karma is a funny thing.

 

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EH I dont agree with some of that IJ was focus on the right people already  she just happen to be part of his next target..He even told her to stay out of his way or he will come for her next.

 

Also  realistically what can he plan from a prison cell? Those 2 out there did not have any real connections,   he had no one actually in the company to count on or anything its pretty unfair to expect some miracle .

 

Another thing he always felt guilty about not reporting his brother when he found her sister ,this is one of the reasons I think he was not as mad at her as he would have been. 

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3 hours ago, rolisrntex said:

HR's mistake was believing all of the circumstantial evidence she was presented with, and not having at least one piece of hard evidence.

 

People here have been convicted of murder with far less circumstantial evidence she had to work with. I'm not saying it is right but sadly it happens.

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12 minutes ago, rolisrntex said:

 

People here have been convicted of murder with far less circumstantial evidence she had to work with. I'm not saying it is right but sadly it happens.

Yeah it really it is  a messed up situation all she wanted was justice but she hurt the one person that really loved her and even save her sister.She cant forgive herself and  neither can he.....for now.

 

She obviously trying to correct all her mistakes while punishing herself.I think he will forgive her and I think will lift the burden off of herself.

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Finally, SH. I still don't like her. Why is she trying to get revenge on HR? Is she still mad she didn't marry IJ? That wouldn't have happened even if HR wasn't in the picture.

 

SH is one of the characters we didn’t get the chance to know probably, the writer only scratched the surface with her story  , like @Lmangla said we only see , SH kind of hung up on In Joon . 

 

In my mind SH wanting a revenge on Hae-Ra now it’s a silly . Hae-Ra barely seemed bothered about SH , the writer’s mainly concentrated on SH jealousy & hurt. I don’t know if is an oversight on their part considering Hae-Ra actively flaunted the fact she messed up her relationship on several occasions. But It clear that , SH dislike Hae-Ra long before everything start , and never stop hating  her because she teamed up with Tae oh and she caused the only person she cared about misery & pain . Hae Ra can’t put right her actions and SH never going to be nice to Hae-Ra as she wasn’t before Hae-Ra come between her and In Joon’s . If funny how , In Joon loving Hae Ra just gave SH added ammunition to not like Hae Ra and the driving force behind her bad opinion of Hae-Ra and her inability to move on.For me personally I’d throttle someone if they broke my relationship, So I am not surprised SH , hated her that much . 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, nubianlegalmind said:

Finally, SH. I still don't like her. Why is she trying to get revenge on HR? Is she still mad she didn't marry IJ? That wouldn't have happened even if HR wasn't in the picture.She hasn't accepted that IJ never loved her like she wanted. She hasn't accepted that it was all an arrangement from the very beginning. She is also horrible person. I get that she doesn't want to be with TH, he's not my favorite person either, but that's your child. How do you just pretend like you don't have a child? She has no right to judge HR, when she didn't disclose to IJ her secret daughter.

yea, she is a strange one. after some thought, my guess is that she is hung up on injoon because she perhaps felt that she could have a stable relationship with him and have some happiness. so her anger with hera is that her potential happiness was snatched. she seems to be a terror on her blind dates and people in general and so folks obviously avoid her. injoon on the other hand just gave her this bored look where he ignored her antics and he was always in control -- not her, but him. with taeoh, he is forever mopey and not putting her in place enough. with injoon, she always lost. maybe she just wants a guy where she is not in control? hard to tell what her actual deal is since we didn't get enough insight and we still don't know why she abandoned jennie and pretends that her kid doesn't exist...  and we are a few episodes from everything winding down. at this stage, it looks like she will be alone while taeoh and jennie probably pack their bags back to hong kong.

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12 hours ago, nubianlegalmind said:

However, no one is discussing IJ's role in what happened to her sister. Yes, they had contact, and he ended up saving her life by breaking into her car and taking her to the hospital. However, after he found out how she got like that, he sat quiet and pretended like it didn't happen. His passive actions back then is what led to the karmic unfairness of him going to jail. He said it himself, that he should've done or said something then and he did nothing.Although I feel the secretary uncle had more fault than anyone because he is the one who helped cover it all up back then.

Sorry to cut your post chingu. Especially when I agree with all of it. Just wanted to add my own 2 cents to your 3 cents :lol:

 

how you say IJ was passive with Hrs sister case reminds me of in the very beginning of the show when he sat passively in his car as HR’s shop was raided and I think she was even hurt. His secretary asked if they should go out to help her but he said no and just sat back in his chair. That stayed with me till now cause I didn’t like that scene at all. He’s not a bad person for the kind bad persn he could have been growing up as a chaebol. But that doesn’t mean he’s innocent and completely good either.had the takes been turned, would he have done the same as HR did?

 

12 hours ago, nubianlegalmind said:

Finally, SH. I still don't like her. Why is she trying to get revenge on HR? Is she still mad she didn't marry IJ? That wouldn't have happened even if HR wasn't in the picture.She hasn't accepted that IJ never loved her like she wanted. She hasn't accepted that it was all an arrangement from the very beginning. She is also horrible person. I get that she doesn't want to be with TH, he's not my favorite person either, but that's your child. How do you just pretend like you don't have a child? She has no right to judge HR, when she didn't disclose to IJ her secret daughter.  I also don't feel sorry for the father. The family that he "chose" has been keeping him as a human vegetable. Karma is a funny thing.

I’ve really tried to understand SH and like her, but honestly I can’t stand her either. I’m just sick of her being so sick of HR. I get that she’s scorned woman but she shouldn’t have treated HR so badly from the beginning when HR wasn’t even hitting on IJ or nothing. And also put responsibility on IJ s hypocrisy for how everything went down instead wanting to kill HR then destroy her. I mean doesn’t this woman have bigger fish to fry?! If her mom trying to set her up in another arranged marriage with better candidate SH interested in, then yes it obvious she in love with IJ and taking it out on HR. But man there’s a limit really. How many more hissy fits she gotta have before she finally gets over herself? Your child knows you’re her mom for Chrissakes! And really, after meeting her you still not attached or miss her at all and want some sort of relationship with her? At this rate SH doesn’t even deserve Jennie, Jennie deserves way better,  

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As someone who used to really like SooHyun's character and thought the writers would do her justice (they gave up on her character around episode 20ish), here is my take on the character and more especially her relation with JTO and Jennie.

First, I need to say: I'm watching the drama in Korean, not using any sub if I don't understand something (happened once last week), I ask my Korean roommate who is often around when I watch the show.

Secondly, I'm busy right now so I'll write a better and more complete "my view on SooHyun" message later on.

 

It's important to remember that her first scene with Tae Oh is him announcing he is dying: Koreans do not use pronouns and he said "Dying" to which she responded by saying to continue to die because they were already dead anyway. He never once says Jennie was the one daying and I don't know where the 2 persons who posted about it back then got it from?
I myself realized it was about Jennie when we learned that she was sick.

 

Also, SooHyun's didn't know Tae Oh was raising their child neither she did know if Jennie was still alive or well. In the airport scene, the nanny said Tae Oh need to tell SooHyun they found their child but he refused and said she now abandoned them. While, yes she gave up on him and to some extent her child, she didn't know Jennie was with him or that she was sick.

 

From the little screentime she, JTO or her family got, here was I gathered: Her mother kept telling her to marry someone who is rich and can help her. She told her at least twice that she doesn't and never loved her father but that she does "love" SooHyun and she needs her to do what she wants and to copy what she did. That type of behaviour is not something that happens when someone is an adult, pretty sure she grew up being told that. Her mom was pretty proud of the fact that SooHyun always did what she told her and like she told to Tae OH, if she was putting food in front of SooHyun and tell her to not eat it, then SooHyunwould listen to her. She has been raised to be her mother's puppy and that is why it's so hard for her to disobey her mother.
Imagine being a child, someone put (surely more than once) candies in front of you and told you to not touch it, not eat it. In the end, you lost your will to fight.

 

Her mother also harmed Jennie twice. The first time when she was born (I would love to know how she got her/kidnapped her from the hospital) and got rid of her before Tae Oh found her.
The second time, SooHyun's was at fault for telling about the kidney donation but when she realized her mistake, she immediately went to save her child and got her safely back to Tae Oh. The only time she went against her mother in the present time, we know she went against her parents once to be with Tae Oh.

 

Now, we don't have any idea what happened between Tae Oh and her, how they feel in love, their relation, if she wanted Jennie or not (could have aborted if she didn't want her though), we got one flashback they played like 5 times and nothing more.
We do know she really loved Tae Oh, because of the book " Crazy in love" and the dedication she wrote in it.

 

She is miserable, she said it herself in the car scene with Tae Oh. Went he screamed and said he and Jennie were the miserable ones and not her. The way she glared at him makes me think that she doesn't realize how they feel just like he doesn't realize how she feels. That day was the first time she was seeing her daughter since her mom took her away, did you guys saw how scared, curious and emotional she was. The actress is doing an awesome job at showing her emotions.

That same day she went to see her child at the playground, which later got her scolded by Tae Oh because he didn't saw her. She was so moved by the fact her child was here, alive and sort of well that she almost got into a car accident!

 

Now the whole "you need to give her your kidney" and her refusal make no sense. She never took the tests how they are so sure she was compatible? Also, she does care for Jennie and showed it a lot of time so I have no idea why the writers kept writing her off like this.
You think she doesn't care about, you are wrong:

- Went to her mom to actually to her about Jennie and already planned to takes 10 days off and give it to her (then suddenly it was no no no)

- Saved her from her mother

- Watched her from far away (rather than showing off like "I'm your mom hi")

- She and Tae Oh were arguing last week when he got the call about her being in the hospital and left without her. She followed, stayed and waited to ask if she was okay. No one forced her, she did it because she was worried.

- She cries or always has tears in her eyes when her child is around.
- Broke down, when her kid called her auntie then mom (hospital).

- Jennie is aware SooHyun's is her donor and has been in touch with her during the 2 years gap, which is why she got so needy about SooHyun's presence.

 

About HaeRa and her hate for her. The writers once again did a poor job, at first it makes sense she disliked her: she was stealing her fiancee and going out with her ex (which we sort of got hint she might still love). Then HaeRa used Jennie against her, and it must have hurt. To be called "Jennie's mom" when you were ripped off this right.....

 

little edit: I would like to remark that SooHyun's has absolutely no idea how to act around Jennie or how to interact with her. Their car scene is the proof of it. She was angry at her mom (and surely herself) and wanted to say things but in the en,d she "scolded" Jennie and because she had no idea how to comfort her she told her "stop crying". 
When Jennie mentioned her mother, watch the actress expression: smile, disbelief, sadness, anger. And once again she didn't know what to say/do and ended up asking about her seat belt. 

 

That's all for now, don't have time to write more. But I'll be happy to hear what you think.

About In Joon, I think she was actually in love with him but also her pride got hurt. From the way I see it, In Joon is like her father (he seems way more aggressive than her mother). The fact that 2 years after she is still at his side and still wants him/help him means a lot.

 

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6 hours ago, Heartbreakn said:

As someone who used to really like SooHyun's character and thought the writers would do her justice (they gave up on her character around episode 20ish), here is my take on the character and more especially her relation with JTO and Jennie.

First, I need to say: I'm watching the drama in Korean, not using any sub if I don't understand something (happened once last week), I ask my Korean roommate who is often around when I watch the show.

Secondly, I'm busy right now so I'll write a better and more complete "my view on SooHyun" message later on.

This is why I love this forum, we get opinions from all angles.  Some of the points you've made are valid and I agree with.

 

I think that SooHyun felt uneasy with HaeRa the first time she met her because, she saw her as someone who InJoon could fall in love with.  However, the way she went about it was not cool, she tried to berate and belittle HaeRa without any justification. Every time SH saw HR she verbally attacked her, even when she assured her she was not interested in InJoon.  Was it in episode 2 or 3 that InJoon tried to kiss HaeRa and she would not let him.  He was ripe for the pickings, he never loved SH, and was going to use her and her father's money to get revenge.  For me, none of the adult characters in this drama are without flaws.  At least HaeRa warned InJoon upfront that whatever she does, do not fall in love with her.  I admit, at times I felt sorry for SH because she fell in love with InJoon, but his heart was already going to HaeRa without her doing anything.  Remember it was only when he saw the picture of her and TH together that he announced his engagement to SH.  (It was SH who made sure he saw the picture.)  It wasn't until official engagement that HaeRa went into scheme mode, before that the only thing she had to do is breath and InJoon was hers.

 

I agree with you the SH has feelings for her daughter, and I think she did love TO; however, I think after she "messed up" got pregnant, her mother told her she would fix it if SH did xyz... leave TO, forget the baby, do what she tells her to, and she would make the baby disappear.  I think that is why, although SH wanted to marry for love (because she had been in love before), she allowed her mother to run her life.  SH is a lonely person, and I could feel sorry for her; however, I don't because just as TO, she is also a manipulator.  Although IJ told her point blank that he did not want to marry her, she was going to make him marry her.  She even sent out wedding invitations after he tried to end it with her.  

 

This is a good drama, but as many are stating, the writer missed major marks when writing the script.  I still have questions about several points that might never be addressed.  I would have liked to know more of SH and TO's story, I would like to know more about the InJoon's sister-in-law, I would like to know the motive behind the mystery woman, who was she.  However, I have little hope that these questions will be addressed satisfactorily.  

 

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18 hours ago, Carmarie said:

 

 

I agree with you the SH has feelings for her daughter, and I think she did love TO; however, I think after she "messed up" got pregnant, her mother told her she would fix it if SH did xyz... leave TO, forget the baby, do what she tells her to, and she would make the baby disappear. I think that is why, although SH wanted to marry for love (because she had been in love before), she allowed her mother to run her life. SH is a lonely person, and I could feel sorry for her; however, I don't because just as TO, she is also a manipulator. Although IJ told her point blank that he did not want to marry her, she was going to make him marry her. She even sent out wedding invitations after he tried to end it with her.

 

This is a good drama, but as many are stating, the writer missed major marks when writing the script. I still have questions about several points that might never be addressed. I would have liked to know more of SH and TO's story, I would like to know more about the InJoon's sister-in-law, I would like to know the motive behind the mystery woman, who was she. However, I have little hope that these questions will be addressed satisfactorily.

 

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I  don't think she "messed up" more like her mother realized how she was losing total control over her. Jennie was born in January 2012, and SooHyun and Tae Oh mentioned that they were "engaged" to each other back in 2009 so were together for at least 3 years (and more because you generally don't get engaged after a few weeks). So my best guess is that her mother realized SooHyun's won't be her tool/puppy anymore and that why she took Jennie away (I really would love to know how she did that in a foreigner country....)

 

I agree with the fact that SooHyun, Tae Oh and HaeRa are all manipulators, but I believe sometimes their circumstances that change a person. And neither SooHyun or Tae Oh engendered someone life with their lies and manipulations. 

 

Won't argue much about the whole wedding thing because it's all about pride and feelings and nothing logical.

 

It WAS a good drama, starting episode 10 (episode 20/21 in 30 mins format) it started to become a mess. There way too many holes in the scripts and stories, SooHyun and Tae Oh barely get one appearance per episode (or one every 2 episodes for the  30 mins format) how are we supposed to understand these characters, see them evolve and understand their story with 3 mins to 5 mins of screentime per week?

 

We will never know about SooHyun and Tae Oh's story, past and I start to fear the future. I have a feeling the whole Jennie thing will end with SooHyun's being told Jennie know she is her mom and that is all. We will don't know if she will step up as a mom or not. 


About the sister in law, they wasted such a potentially good story. 

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On 2/6/2019 at 3:00 PM, Heartbreakn said:

It's important to remember that her first scene with Tae Oh is him announcing he is dying: Koreans do not use pronouns and he said "Dying" to which she responded by saying to continue to die because they were already dead anyway. He never once says Jennie was the one daying and I don't know where the 2 persons who posted about it back then got it from?
I myself realized it was about Jennie when we learned that she was sick.

thats really interesting from a language perspective; from what I remember, the subs clearly said "she is dying" and since the only "she" we saw with taeoh was jennie, it was obvious that it was jennie.

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1 hour ago, Lmangla said:

thats really interesting from a language perspective; from what I remember, the subs clearly said "she is dying" and since the only "she" we saw with taeoh was jennie, it was obvious that it was jennie.

 

Not sure if you can replay the scene (it's around the 3 mins mark in episode 2 (or episode 3/4 for the 30 mins format) but I did and here: 

 

JTO: 죽는데 (to die/dying) --> normal intonation

CSH: 죽는데? (dying?) ----> Her intonation got high on the 데 part which means it's a question.

CSH: 그름 죽어: Then die / Then kept dying.

Then she said they have been dead for 7 years now. *flashback happen*

 

Here it's the Naver dictionary entry on the 죽는데 as you can see, it's mean to die (but it's weird in this situation so dying makes more sense). 
JTO never once used a pronoun or Jennie's name, so without knowing the contest it's mean he is the one who is dying. JTO said it twice, I believe that SH wasn't aware of Jennie so I definitely think she thought he was the one dying. She actually learned about Jennie being the one dying in episode 6 (episodes 11-12 for those with the 30 mins format), JTO told her that "Jennie is really (ton insisting on the "really" part) sick".

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thats interesting @Heartbreakn; guess it is one of those things that would be odd/difficult in translation and so the subbers just added a pronoun since it would come to light later on anyway... but it does change your perception of the scene a little bit as she doesn't seem as callous in that case.. one could assume that she may have thought he was talking about himself as in "my heart is breaking. I am dying.." kind of dialogues...

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47 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

thats interesting @Heartbreakn; guess it is one of those things that would be odd/difficult in translation and so the subbers just added a pronoun since it would come to light later on anyway... but it does change your perception of the scene a little bit as she doesn't seem as callous in that case.. one could assume that she may have thought he was talking about himself as in "my heart is breaking. I am dying.." kind of dialogues...

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Even myself I'm not sure how I would have translated this because just saying "dying" makes no sensEnglishglish (funny enough it would make some sense in my mother's language).


Adding the pronoun can make sense but it also makes SooHyun seems meaner than she was in this scene. I can't remember my original feelings about this scene in particular but it's more on the "melodramatic" side than the mean one. I think the scene is was made to have the flashback and make us wonder why they are saying they have been dead for 7 years now and all. 

 

You said: "one could assume that she may have thought he was talking about himself as in "my heart is breaking. I am dying.." kind of dialogues..." Yes, it could totally be interpreted like this, especially how he is showing off after her relation with InJoon is becoming "more serious".

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