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[Drama 2018-2019] Fates and Furies 운명과 분노

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I just started watching this show and oh my gosh! I have been sucked in! So deliciously melodramatic. I actually love the music even though the instrumentals can be a bit overwhelming at times and I LOVE the ending song. Cinematography is awesome and the slow mos so far are working for me lol. Best of all, the chemistry!!! I also watched Cunning Single Lady but wow, I do not remember the chemistry between Jung Sang Wook and Lee Min Jung being this hot even with no kisses yet (or until the end of ep 16 anyway lol).

As for the story, here's my two cents: Tae Jung Ho is the one who had a thing with Hyun Jo and his mother helped to clean it up using Tae In Joon's name and card. I remember in one of the recent episodes, she said something about how Jung Ho should not cause any troubles with women like he did before or he would be finished. He is a complete user and an abusive richard simmons. Ko A Jung needs to teach him and his mom a lesson they won't forget and take them for all they've got while she's at it. Ugh. 

At first, I was all behind Jin Tae Oh then he got physically abusive and almost killed Hyun Jo, like WTF!!! Dude, sorry but you are crazy. Not cool. Therefore, I am glad that Gu Hae Ra is not being a candy and is totally threatening him right back even though I am almost positive she would not actually harm a child. 

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For ep 16, when she said to stay the night, I honestly thought she was playing him; someone mentioned earlier on the forum  that she is taking advantage of the situation and I have to agree. I think she was genuinely scared and up until she saw his name on her phone, she had no thoughts of bringing him into that situation. When he showed up and she asked him to stay with her, her face looked more calculating than scared to me. This kind of ruined the kiss for me, because it felt like only half of the couple was truly in the moment.

There is no truly innocent person in this show because they are all using each other. I find it refreshingly different from other revenge shows though because here, everyone is aware that they are all playing games. It was surprising to me how everything that could be a secret is already out in the open. Makes me wonder what will come next since we still have 24 episodes to go. 

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like @purplebass, don't think hera expected the uncle to send thugs after her. she simply was playing by her seduction strategy which is rather low key. she didn't want to be the bad guy by breaking the news and seeming like she has something to gain. instead, she wanted the uncle to pass on the news and have the engagement break and then she can move in on injoon. however, he upended her move by attacking her and trying to squash it as rumour as the company is more important to him than injoon's future.

 

@chistarr ~ it is interesting because there are moments when hera's move seem calculated but there are moments when it is obvious that the connection between injoon and hera is genuine. while she was seizing the opportunity to make a move on him during the kiss, don't think her calling him was as calculated. she called him because she was genuinely moved by his words when he asked her to call him if she was in trouble of any sort. given how she has been managing her problems on her own for so long, him reaching out to her like that really makes her heart skip a beat. when you have been on your own for long, even reaching out to someone can be a bit paralyzing and so rather than calculating, felt like she was hovering while pressing his name on the phone almost doubtful whether he was someone she can trust and rely on..

 

hera and injoon's relationship is really interesting because it doesn't follow a typical pattern of seduction. so hera is not typically chasing him like a second lead. she is not doing anything super active to catch his attention besides staying late at work. but if he doesn't pop up when he does, then her staying late has no effect. she is not calling him, she is not actively seeking him out when he is alone. instead, he is the one who is seeking her out. he is the one who gave his number, asked her to call him. he is the one who is openly staring at her and seeking her company. so there is a very interesting standoffish quality to hera that injoon is actively pursuing her. so the seduction is more of her staying still and drawing him like a magnet.

 

had to laugh when she told tae oh that she was the one who is seducing him and not him, so he shouldn't give tips. ^_^ .. this seduction is interesting because it lies somewhere in the middle between genuine interest and calculation. for example, her choice of gifting him shoes. she knows how much it means to him and so she gifts him something that she knows would move him. however, like she said, making something is a labour of love and creativity and needs to reflect that and only then it will be successful. so her shoes had to have something of her heart. in the same way, his choice of giving her shoes is something that moved her more than any other possible gifts because she is a shoe designer.

 

find it interesting that neither hide their attraction or connection to each other and so we have this sizzling staring. hera's calculation is in that she is encouraging the staring by staring back and not running away from the attraction and the connection.

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I like your take on Hae Ra and In Joon's relationship @Lmangla. Hae Ra is not really doing anything extreme to get In Joon's attention. If she hadn't made a deal with Tae Oh and wouldn't be in such a situation, she's doing the things any woman may do when she likes a man and wants him to notice her, quietly. It's true she studied his habits and understood what's dear to him, but it's not like she's breaking the law. The only thing she could break at this point with her actions, it's In Joon's heart. She's aiming right at it like Tae Oh wants but I don't think all she's told In Joon is fake. She just says what she knows and she's experienced in order to reach his heart, because in the end they grew up in a similar world (shoemaking) but different social background. She's being a bit secretive and she's playing hard to get in order to lure him closer to her.

 

Considering the promo for 17-18 and the last stills, it's possible he's making other moves on her because by kissing him it's like Hae Ra gave him "permission" to get closer. As for whether or not she's interested like IJ, I think HR likes him but she's trying to detach herself from him, since she may think he'll end things when he'll confirm that she's just playing him. Like you said, she's been alone for most of her life so she doesn't expect anything anymore for people, especially being loved by someone.

 

Like @chistarr also said, the secrets are out in the open. IJ bought that HR and TO are together and that's why they're seen together, but I don't think this will last long since characters like the uncle and Soo Hyun already know that's a scheme.

 

What will In Joon do when he confirms Hae Ra has been doing all of this to break he and Soo Hyun? I think that somehow, he won't care. First, because he's the first person who doesn't want to get married with Soo Hyun. Second, because I guess he is aware of Hae Ra's feelings. No matter what she does, a part of her likes him. So even if it will come to the point that Hae Ra's ethics will win and she will push him away in order to preserve her morality (the fact that she seduced him on purpose to gain a better status and that at the moment he's the presumed man who made Hyun Joo like that), I think that In Joon will still pursue her because he'll know her interest has become sincere. And if Hae Ra discovers it wasn't him who hurt her sis, then I think she could decide to give into love... although she's meet him like this. And it could happen that In Joon will help her uncover who is the real culprit.

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January 3, 2019 (Fates & Furies related excerpt)

 

K-Drama Couch: Revelations, Revenge & Finales Dominate The Last Days Of 2018 Korean Dramas

 

By Emylyn Castalla | HELLOKPOP

 

*Mid-Series Thoughts

FATES AND FURIES (SAT/SBS)

 

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The seduction game continues for Hae-Ra and Tae-O. In Joon is still in doubts over his marriage to Soo Hyun, and he keeps recalling Hae-Ra noticing that he isn’t happy. Tae-O wants Soo Hyun to donate her kidney to their daughter, but she wants nothing more than get them out of her life. Seeing her daughter in person, though, she starts to doubt her resolve.

 

Fates and Furies is a great drama because the cast members all do an excellent job. But truthfully, the lies, the deception, the threats and the revenge can get tiring after awhile. I’m all for Hae-Ra becoming successful because she’s really talented. As an actress, Lee Min Jung is portraying the character very well because you want to root for her. But you are also starting to hate her because she is becoming capable of such deceit.

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26 minutes ago, foreverempress said:

Is it me or does it seem that SBS does NOT promote this drama at all?

Well, it depends. For example, the main cover of the official SBS page on Facebook is the promo pic of this drama and I see they post previews and such. Maybe they should do more promotion on other networks, but they are promoting it.

 

If you think this may be the problem why the ratings aren't super successful, I think that's due to the competition of the Saturday slot with "My Only Ally" airing on KBS. This is a difficult time slot because it's the day where more people seem to tune in to watch dramas. I guess this drama could have had more reach if they aired it on another day.

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Well, today episodes were a rollercoaster. The drama is progressing quite well and stay consistent which is a very good thing.

About Cha SooHyun, I know almost everyone here hates her or doesn't care about her but I truly think she is the most pitiful character of this drama. No, I don't agree with how she lives her life or how means she is/tries to be but I truly feel sorry for her.
Can we talk about how her mother basically kidnap her child to get rid of her? (All thanks to this journalist by the way) I really think SooHyun loves JTO and Jennie but she is so scared of her mother that she run away to save their lives.
This woman can be how she wants to be, with how she wants to be and is basically sold to a man by her parents (well TIJ is also sold). Her mother must have been like this all of her life, no wonder she is scared of her and does what she wants.

 

If only TIJ and CSH would open more to the other, they would become good friends and actually help each other. They are in the same situation: their families are their enemies.

 

I felt so heartbroken when she realized her mother will harm Jennie and went to save her. The whole car scene and Jennie calling her "Auntie" ("who was this grandmother?" "Who are you Auntie" </3) while asking her to not cry while SooHYun asked her the same just moment ago when she asked her if she was an idiot (to follow stranger). Imagine being this close to your child, to love her and yet to be only a stranger for her. Even if she decides to be involved with Jennie in the future episodes, it will never replace all those years lost.

Also, the way she looks anywhere but at her child, heartbreaking.

I guess her mother was right, SooHyun's weakness is JTO and their child.

Never saw this actress before but damn her eyes are amazing, you can see so many emotions in it. The two lead actresses are amazing at their job and at shows emotions. My only regret is the 2nd male lead... his acting isn't that bad but definitely lacking in comparison of the other 3.

 

Going to watch the episodes once more and will surely post more. Love this drama.

 

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6 hours ago, foreverempress said:

Is it me or does it seem that SBS does NOT promote this drama at all?

You are right. SBS is not uploading any videos of F and F except the preview on YouTube, FB, and other SNS. I asked them why and their answer was they are not permitted to upload it. I guess the production and SBS had some sort of contract. SBS usually posts lots of contents to promote their drama. But, they don't do almost anything for F and F. I am kinda upset. 

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Thanks for recap :D its seem the sub will come late , I wouldn’t have time to watch it before I go to work .

 

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My only regret is the 2nd male lead... his acting isn't that bad but definitely lacking in comparison of the other 3

 

I like ur taking on CSH ,but I never feel disappointed in JT acting , it seem his story takes the back seat just for now , I get that the writer probably wanted to show JT’s fall into angry/crazy man because he was so frustrated he couldn’t get through CSH to help with child illness, in a way I always thinks he wants to bring her down because he doesn’t have the social tools and money to fight for his daughter before that he had money now he gets nuts a little .Either way JT is easier to understand as he is more straightforward and consistent character -_- 

 

But CSH makes it hard to feel much empathy for her because whenever I start to feel sorry for her , she ruins it by doing something nutty and focused about things that don’t matter and ignore to sort out her mess up life ( her daughter not going anywhere when she gonna do something about her ) I never understand why she keeps want to go throw this marriage , is she trying to do her best for her family or is it pure greed . :sweatingbullets:

 

I just want to know what written in the paper Hea Ra receives  :D at least she show she care about him to throw out the paper for second. 

 

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In-Joon's brother is a piece of poop; his brother and his daddy has something to do with this mess. He Ra is getting the wrong idea... In-Joon may be in love, that he needs to slow his roll; he's too impulsive and his sister-in-law maybe his Saving Grace with all these bugs she has planted in the house.

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Man he really dont need more enemies especially her, he is going to be crush since she wants to marry him now to get revenge  on him.Meanwhile he has not a clue about it and is fighting is on enemies,


Dang approaching him for 2 reasons  both not love love  aint going to go well when the truth comes out.

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OMG ,  I really have this gut feeling that the writer is going to go with the uncle or Brother , so I wasn’t surprised that the brother was the one who got the affair with the sister  , But I didn’t except either of them will  try to kill her , I know the brother got a dark side ,I only need to look at the fact he abuses his wife to know he capable to hurt anyone , but what is the reason he would try to kill her ,she is a obviously  wasn’t pregnant .

 

I can’t wait for the flashback to see how it all panned out . The father thought she was clinging to his son , did big brother try to break up with her and she argued with him and threatened him , he went home and explained everything to his mom .They went back to talk to her and they start to argue and he flies into a alcohol rage and hit her and knocked her out cold by accident  and the mother gives her bills and frames In Joon to make things worse . 

 

The brother is basically a bitter nihilist , but why the doctors didn’t tell the family ,that it could be attempted murder did brother and mother pay the hospital to cover it up , Poor Hea Ra , she will feel even guilty that she didn’t notice it earlier, I thought it was quite understanding to think she committed suicide if she had a history . It’s seem she gonna plan an eye for an eye scenario now to the thug that done this to her sister . 

 

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At this rate I feel like this show can go two routes. Either ‘what happened in bali’, where the female lead is the mistress of the chaebol, or ‘time’ where the female lead ends up marrying the chaebol. But in both cases neither is because of true love. It’s rooted in what the loan shark said correctly, vanity that both sisters have. Not that I blame HR though. If I was in her position I may have done the same or even worse.

 

now we got a clue as to what happened to her sister. Luckily she is an ex flame of elder brother, not IJ or else I think that would have made things way more awkward. That said, it’s not far fetched if IJ is till involved. Pre-HR he seemed to be. Avery calculating businessman with no notion of love, so helping his father clean up one of his hyung’s flings probably was very easy for him to do without a thought.

 

i was pLeasantly surprised by how SH handled her mom and Jenny. It makes me wonder if like others have said here, SH made the decisions she did in the past to protect her baby daddy and kid. It wasn’t out of selfishness. Of course, she’s turned into a monster now but blames HR for it (when she was already very vicious by how she would snap at her coworkers when she was an MC in the very beginning episodes). I do hate seeing HR and SH always going at each other’s throats, especially when IJ and baby daddy are so indifferent to each other. Do I seriously have to go through another melo where once again this be women are tearing each other down? I hope that in a twist of events, they will end up becoming allies.

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enjoyed reading your kinder take on cha soo hyun @Heartbreakn but like @Ameera Ali, it is still hard for me to empathize with her unlike injoon who makes me feel how trapped he is. with cha soo hyun, maybe it is because she is not doing anything to indicate she is in a kind of jail and seems complicit. so maybe she does care about tae oh but then why go tell her mom about the reporter. she expects the mom to fix the issue somehow and then is shocked her mom would go to such lengths. :huh::sweatingbullets:... so she still is a bit of a mystery....

 

but poor injoon -- this guy is not a pushover by any means and plays by his own rules. but how miserable he must have been all these years that a little bit of happiness and love however fleeting seems important to risk everything. he knows that hera might be using him and may not be sincere but he is okay if he can be by her side even temporarily and get a break from his insane life...

 

now with hera's sister -- a big question -- who was she? @philosophie ~ am actually confused by this loan shark character. is he like a family friend who also happened to be a thug that he sometimes felt compelled to threaten hera? how exactly does he know the family so well? and how does he define "vanity"? does he mean ambition beyond one's means?

 

so while watching, we hear references to this woman that jung ho/hyung had a mess with? and why does she stand out from the others? from what his secretary sarcastically said, jung ho has a complicated personal life. and even the tyrant dad asks if jung ho can't remember because there are so many...so what makes "this woman" different? and what was the mess?

 

from the doctor's notes, it looks like it might have been homicide but then, we potentially have 2 separate parties. a few episodes back, hera's friend says that if they had found her half hour earlier, she wouldnt have ended up in a coma. by that same token, if she had been admitted half hour later, she may not have made it. so if it was homicide, that same person is not going to go admit her in hospital. so was it something like what happened with cha soo hyun and jennie this episode? where the mom tried to do something and then soo hyun intervenes? have a feeling that the tyrant dad is really merciless and would not hesitate to go to any lengths to teach his enemies a lesson including his own kids.

 

am also curious about jung ho's wife and how their family went bankrupt just because dad wanted to teach jung ho a lesson 10 years ago. her eyes shone with tears and she looked a bit shocked. did she not know for sure? and afterwards, jung ho sees her in a room and then slinks away afraid when he sees her... so wonder what she is going to do because she doesn't seem as helpless.. but am curious why dad kept her around. was it to show his family a reminder of what would happen if someone crossed him? or a trophy over his enemies?

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17 hours ago, foreverempress said:

In-Joon's brother is a piece of poop; his brother and his daddy has something to do with this mess. He Ra is getting the wrong idea... In-Joon may be in love, that he needs to slow his roll; he's too impulsive and his sister-in-law maybe his Saving Grace with all these bugs she has planted in the house.

 

 

So much this. Slow your roll my friend. But then his speed is in keeping with his character, neglected love as a child, no one to trust, finally found it, holding on for dear life.

Felt so sad for her after she read the info that thug friend ( love him he is what he is but he looks out for his own) told her not to read. She has something so precious in the palms of her hands but she's about to scrunch it up and throw it in the bin. Deffo it was the slimmy brother and his mum that has her sister where she is and the used In-Joon's name to cover it up.

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5 hours ago, Lmangla said:

now with hera's sister -- a big question -- who was she? @philosophie ~ am actually confused by this loan shark character. is he like a family friend who also happened to be a thug that he sometimes felt compelled to threaten hera? how exactly does he know the family so well? and how does he define "vanity"? does he mean ambition beyond one's means?

Honestly after this weekend I started to have a sliver of doubt if maybe the loan shark is actually in love with her....all those times he bullied her cause of the debt maybe was because he was hoping she’d become so desperate she’d offer herself to him to compensate the debt (like I’ve seen in past kdramas like when a man falls in love where the lead dynamic is debtor x loan shark). I think vanity to him was that HR and her sister were always drawn to the flashy jewelry, elegant fashion and prestigious lifestyle of the rich. Beyond just ambition or greed, they See the value in money over poverty. Even a simple life with no money problems but being like middle class wouldn’t be enough. They want to be amongst chaebols and all that.

 

Obviously it seems that he knew the sisters since young since he commented about how they were like this even when the girls were kids..I am curious what the history is though and why he treated her so badly in the beginning of the show if they went way back with each other.

 

Hrs sister could be the one the secretary and grandpa were talking about in reference to hyung’s personal life. What a turn of events if HR with end up joining hands with IJs sister in law to get revenge on her husband (since now she’s familiar with masseuse friends and they seem to be in good terms, I would lov to see this alliance...just please more woman working together instead of fighting each other please???). I think the sister in law was so upset with the chairman not because she didn’t know what he did, but that he said it so brazenly in front of her like he did nothing wrong and has no shame for it (even though because of his actions she’s been treated horribly by his family because she’s broke when it’s really all their fault!) unless yes maybe this was first time she got truth even after bugging whole house. Who knows. But looks like there’s more than one person out for revenge with this family

 

i bet you it was the other way around. Hyung was obsessed with Hrs sister (maybe like a little kid with their toy, not real love) (wasn’t it also interesting how when he heard Hrs full name something rung a bell? Like the last name stuck out to him? Also I don’t think show would mention this girl and everything if it wasn’t all connected and tied together). Chairman got rid of her so there would be no mishaps for hyung. Maybe she found out some dark company secret and wanted to expose it. Or expose hyung cause he was bothering so much like harassing her so she had no choice but to resort to taking it to media and chairman did something before she’d do that (IJ got involved cause it would mean the company get damaged or something so whatever he did was for company).

 

now we may wonder...how did HRs sister and IJs hyung know each other? We find out that Hrs sister had been taking care of Hrs Italy expenses. How? Well taking a little idea from the show Time, the sister is a hostess/call girl. And he was one of her clients.

 

so I mentioned I think IJ might still end up marrying SH. Of course it will be against his own will. We know how scary the chairman is. And as much as HR may be sincere with IJ within her impure intentions to reach the top, I could imagine the chairman taking her hostage and putting her on the phone with IJ, threatening her to tell him to marry SH or else she dies. And she goes along with it to survive, maybe not being as upset as she would be if she actually were fully in love with IJ or a naive female lead like some in these melo makjangs. Either way, IJ might marry SH for the same reason SH May have banadoned her kid and JTO. To protect them from the elders. 

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5 minutes ago, philosophie said:

Honestly after this weekend I started to have a sliver of doubt if maybe the loan shark is actually in love with her....all those times he bullied her cause of the debt maybe was because he was hoping she’d become so desperate she’d offer herself to him to compensate the debt (like I’ve seen in past kdramas like when a man falls in love where the lead dynamic is debtor x loan shark). I think vanity to him was that HR and her sister were always drawn to the flashy jewelry, elegant fashion and prestigious lifestyle of the rich. Beyond just ambition or greed, they See the value in money over poverty. Even a simple life with no money problems but being like middle class wouldn’t be enough. They want to be amongst chaebols and all that.

kekeke.... in any other drama, that would totally work! the loan shark in love. ^_^ there is a sort of tender/affectionate way he looks at her and she has this very open exasperated look with him like when she puts medicine on his wounds that tells you these two have a very easy going vibe like they grew up with each other and know each other from school.. so it is confusing considering in the beginning he was chasing her for money but maybe he had no choice. or maybe he too doesn't have the luxury of being kind or forming relationships? ... but it certainly makes for a very interesting character in terms of hera as well. how many leads would be quasi friends with a thug? :D

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