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28 minutes ago, Kim Soo-Lee said:

I'm still in two minds about this possible "rape" scene and whether it will actually come across as being rape or not. Depends on how they portray on the screen.  

P'New was involved in MIR...so perhaps the scene will appear more like the drunken Tee/Fuse scene.:phew:

 

36 minutes ago, Harunacamelia said:

 

 

Sorry for the CAPITALIZATION it had to be done! :sweat_smile:

 

I 100% agree. That is why I am looking forward to their story, because they are not the fluffy lovey-dovey couple, their story line along with  the step-brothers will touch on more mature content (rapes, depression, deceit to get what you want, age difference etc)...While I frown upon drunk sex (i.e. rape) as a trope,  I can still watch it and see how it's played out.  

even the event photo's show this kinda of edginess...they don't take themselves seriously...so they have fun with it...their  body language is just so " what evah ! " "Dude let's just do this thing..."  LOL

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The following conversation is recreated to the best of my memory...

 

Dee - Babe, why didn't you tell me I was watching the latest episode last night? Now I have to wait for Friday to see the next episode!

Me - Oh? I swear I told you. Well welcome to the club.

Dee - Whatever. There better be some sex this week. All these hot eyes from Ae is just obvious. The dude is jonesing for Pete...

Me - Welllllll, rumor has it the director may hold out for another episode

Dee - The eff you say!? Thats some bogus sh it. I did not watch 8 episodes and join the crew of suffering to get no sex. We need to blast his twitter account. The eff is this. 

Me - Ummm, I was not expecting this response. Well TWM Next Chapter is out. Watch that one to help you pass the time. You liked that one.

Dee - How many episodes?

Me - ... one? 

Dee - Don't even try that sh it. I'll wait till its done.

 

 

After breakfast and I wanted a guy's perspective...

 

Me - So babe, what did you think of Ae?

Dee - What about Ae?

Me - You know, his jealousy and stuff. The way he dragged Pete around. The locker scene.

Dee - Are you talking about this now with your online crew? (Suspicious look)

Me - Maybe... Ok so I just wanted another guys perspective. Your bi and you've always been a top. From one top looking at another...

Dee - Well I didn't really think anything of it. Ae's young and a bit rough. Shoving Pete around didn't really surprise me. Pete can be slow to react and Ae moves quickly when he sees something he doesn't like. He wants Pete away from Tin and Pete is just frozen in surprise. He moves him along because he's an action guy. Now the locker scene would be rough on Pete because he's soft but I think it also get's Pete's juices going. These kind of situations get the adrenaline pumping and if your with someone you like, it's either run from them or tear their clothes off. I'm a basic kind of guy too. I'd be tearing clothes.

Me - So you don't think Ae was wrong?

Dee - Wrong? Didn't Pete tell him to wait? I didn't hear stop. Those are two very different words and there's a grey area. Pete is saying give me a second to calm down but Ae's not calm and he doesn't want Pete calm either. He wants the heat and the flash. Everything inside of him is raring to go. They need to be careful now because no means NO and that's it, point blank.

Me - So in other words state your position plainly.

Dee - You know it babe.

 

I took the day off today so I could get some things done. These kinds of days always go by fast because I never get all the things I want to do done in time. Case of point... I'm here when I should have gone to town to do the damn shopping. Ok Later guys...

 

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12 minutes ago, deltos said:

P'New was involved in MIR...so perhaps the scene will appear more like the drunken Tee/Fuse scene.:phew:

My instinct is telling me that it will be tactfully handled and not come across as rape. I don't believe they would portray something that might worry any potential sponsors at this stage. Not when they're looking for a spin off and a possible season 2.  It would be too much of a risk. :)

 

 

2 minutes ago, 1sitsafetocomeout said:

The following conversation is recreated to the best of my memory...

 

Dee - Babe, why didn't you tell me I was watching the latest episode last night? Now I have to wait for Friday to see the next episode!

Me - Oh? I swear I told you. Well welcome to the club.

Dee - Whatever. There better be some sex this week. All these hot eyes from Ae is just obvious. The dude is jonesing for Pete...

Me - Welllllll, rumor has it the director may hold out for another episode

Dee - The eff you say!? Thats some bogus sh it. I did not watch 8 episodes and join the crew of suffering to get no sex. We need to blast his twitter account. The eff is this. 

Me - Ummm, I was not expecting this response. Well TWM Next Chapter is out. Watch that one to help you pass the time. You liked that one.

Dee - How many episodes?

Me - ... one? 

Dee - Don't even try that sh it. I'll wait till its done.

 

 

After breakfast and I wanted a guy's perspective...

 

Me - So babe, what did you think of Ae?

Dee - What about Ae?

Me - You know, his jealousy and stuff. The way he dragged Pete around. The locker scene.

Dee - Are you talking about this now with your online crew? (Suspicious look)

Me - Maybe... Ok so I just wanted another guys perspective. Your bi and you've always been a top. From one top looking at another...

Dee - Well I didn't really think anything of it. Ae's young and a bit rough. Shoving Pete around didn't really surprise me. Pete can be slow to react and Ae moves quickly when he sees something he doesn't like. He wants Pete away from Tin and Pete is just frozen in surprise. He moves him along because he's an action guy. Now the locker scene would be rough on Pete because he's soft but I think it also get's Pete's juices going. These kind of situations get the adrenaline pumping and if your with someone you like, it's either run from them or tear their clothes off. I'm a basic kind of guy too. I'd be tearing clothes.

Me - So you don't think Ae was wrong?

Dee - Wrong? Didn't Pete tell him to wait? I didn't hear stop. Those are two very different words and there's a grey area. Pete is saying give me a second to calm down but Ae's not calm and he doesn't want Pete calm either. He wants the heat and the flash. Everything inside of him is raring to go. They need to be careful now because no means NO and that's it, point blank.

Me - So in other words state your position plainly.

Dee - You know it babe.

 

I took the day off today so I could get some things done. These kinds of days always go by fast because I never get all the things I want to do done in time. Case of point... I'm here when I should have gone to town to do the damn shopping. Ok Later guys...

 

You must have some memory. I can't remember what i said to my husband an hour ago. :joy:

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25 minutes ago, Kim Soo-Lee said:

My instinct is telling me that it will be tactfully handled and not come across as rape. I don't believe they would portray something that might worry any potential sponsors at this stage. Not when they're looking for a spin off and a possible season 2.  It would be too much of a risk. :)

 

Exactly.  At the end of the day...it's all about $$$.:rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Harunacamelia said:

 

 

Sorry for the CAPITALIZATION it had to be done! :sweat_smile:

 

I 100% agree. That is why I am looking forward to their story, because they are not the fluffy lovey-dovey couple, their story line along with  the step-brothers will touch on more mature content (rapes, depression, deceit to get what you want, age difference etc)...While I frown upon drunk sex (i.e. rape) as a trope,  I can still watch it and see how it's played out.  

If they show the first night between KK and Techno the way it is written in the novel BUT address the obvious issue with it, I'll be more than happy. They are my favourite couple in the show, although it's in pending till we get that scene) but I won't support them if it comes accross as a rape. However, if the show labels it as rape and addresses wverything that's wrong about it, in that case that will be a good, much needed storyline. And I will be impressed in a positive way.

 

...Problem is I'm pretty sure that won't happen :sweatingbullets: But let's wait and see, wait and see.. 

 

On a side note, you can have serious, mature content without depicting rapes, especially if it to dismiss it as drunken sex.

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1 hour ago, Kim Soo-Lee said:

My instinct is telling me that it will be tactfully handled and not come across as rape. I don't believe they would portray something that might worry any potential sponsors at this stage. Not when they're looking for a spin off and a possible season 2.  It would be too much of a risk. :)

 

Uh I'd like to believe that but how many sex scenes/scenarios with, at best, dubious consent, did we see in sponsorised, successfull BL shows?? Tee/Fuse is not exactly a great example to reassure me.

 

The problem, in my eyes, is that many people (including BL writers) see rape only as a physically violent sexual assault, commited by someone who purposely wants to harm the victim.

 

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Tar's case looks like a good example of what I mean actually. And gang raped in addition.

 While rape is WAY more complex than that in reality and can happen in a lot of vatious contexts. This kind of rape is actually not even 5% rapes in my country. When someone is drunk, has sex and wakes up the next morning wih no memory and being horrified with what happened, it's difficult to claim they gave clear, real consent to sex.

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16 minutes ago, SaQaroz said:

If they show the first night between KK and Techno the way it is written in the novel BUT address the obvious issue with it, I'll be more than happy. They are my favourite couple in the show, although it's in pending till we get that scene) but I won't support them if it comes accross as a rape. However, if the show labels it as rape and addresses wverything that's wrong about it, in that case that will be a good, much needed storyline. And I will be impressed in a positive way.

 

...Problem is I'm pretty sure that won't happen :sweatingbullets: But let's wait and see, wait and see.. 

 

On a side note, you can have serious, mature content without depicting rapes, especially if it to dismiss it as drunken sex.

I think I'm with @Kim Soo-Lee on this....there is too much money at stake to go the "R" route. typical dialogue goes...you're drunk,  yeah I'm drunk but I still..are you sure...yeah I'm sure.  That would be the consensual phrases you need. Oh and a memory in the morning,
 

I feel like we and the other thousands of  fans are sitting on the ground outside the marriage tent - waiting for the hanky....:joy:

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30 minutes ago, SaQaroz said:

Uh I'd like to believe that but how many sex scenes/scenarios with, at best, dubious consent, did we see in sponsorised, successfull BL shows?? Tee/Fuse is not exactly a great example to reassure me.

 

The problem, in my eyes, is that many people (including BL writers) see rape only as a physically violent sexual assault, commited by someone who purposely wants to harm the victim.

 

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Tar's case looks like a good example of what I mean actually. And gang raped in addition.

 While rape is WAY more complex than that in reality and can happen in a lot of vatious contexts. This kind of rape is actually not even 5% rapes in my country. When someone is drunk, has sex and wakes up the next morning wih no memory and being horrified with what happened, it's difficult to claim they gave clear, real consent to sex.

Rape is THE number one crime that is both difficult to prosecute and also difficult to defend. Mainly because you almost never have witnesses and it's a he said, she said, or he said, he said situation. Unless, you have very strong scientific and medical evidence.

 

The Tar incident appears to have been done purely out of revenge or jealousy and is totally unacceptable on every level you can think of. 

 

On the Tee and Fuse situation, and this is purely from a legal standpoint here in South Korea, you would be hard pressed to get a prosecutor to even file charges for rape against Tee. Even though Fuse was drunk at the time. Morally and ethically i would agree that he shouldn't have went as far as he did. Unfortunately, that doesn't always translate into it being an offense legally.  

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1 hour ago, Kim Soo-Lee said:

You must have some memory. I can't remember what i said to my husband an hour ago. :joy:

Only when I'm paying close attention that I remember this stuff. Otherwise, I'm so lost. And why the hell are vegetables so expensive?

 

2 hours ago, Kim Soo-Lee said:

My instinct is telling me that it will be tactfully handled and not come across as rape. I don't believe they would portray something that might worry any potential sponsors at this stage. Not when they're looking for a spin off and a possible season 2.  It would be too much of a risk. :)

I also agree... Despite the popularity of LBC, if the investors aren't pleased, it's never going to happen. 

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3 minutes ago, Kim Soo-Lee said:

Rape is THE number one crime that is both difficult to prosecute and also difficult to defend. Mainly because you almost never have witnesses and it's a he said, she said, or he said, he said situation. Unless, you have very strong scientific and medical evidence.

 

The Tar incident appears to have been done purely out of revenge or jealousy and is totally unacceptable on every level you can think of. 

 

On the Tee and Fuse situation, and this is purely from a legal standpoint here in South Korea, you would be hard pressed to get a prosecutor to even file charges for rape against Tee. Even though Fuse was drunk at the time. Morally and ethically i would agree that he shouldn't have went as far as he did. Unfortunately, that doesn't always translate into it being an offense legally.  

Oh I know that, statistics for convicted rapist out of 100 rapes reported speak by themselves unfortunately. I agree with what you're saying here, but we were not talking in legal terms, or were we? I know there is absolutely 0 chance KK would be prosecuted for this as No would'nt report it anyway. Truth to be told, I don't even think Tar's was reported (I'd be surprised). This is not the question of either or not it would be easy to prosecute such a case, it is to ask yourself if it as indeed a rape or not. When you watch a show, you are the witness.You know what's happening  (which obviously police, judges dont...unless they break the 4th wall ;)). And it's not because it would be impossible to prove in front of a court that it didn't happen, or that it's not a rape.

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Reminds me of a 14 year old  girl in my country who was gang raped in a toilet at school. The guys didn't get punished, they were even allowed to continue studying at the sama school the girl went in. And this happened in europe- in one of world's most well developed countries.Sometimes I wonder if we live in 21th century or what ? I hope the rape case in LBC will be tastefully done (meaning no  glamorise of rape...) But sadly, even though its 2018 we still have a long way to go before rape is seen as serious no matter what (not just in "some" cases  , and cases like "he/she asked for it " is seen as no biggie etc). its a worldwide problem... 

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59 minutes ago, deltos said:

I think I'm with @Kim Soo-Lee on this....there is too much money at stake to go the "R" route. typical dialogue goes...you're drunk,  yeah I'm drunk but I still..are you sure...yeah I'm sure.  That would be the consensual phrases you need. Oh and a memory in the morning,
 

I feel like we and the other thousands of  fans are sitting on the ground outside the marriage tent - waiting for the hanky....:joy:

But wasn't money invested in Addicted too? (that's a real question, I actually don't know the background of this show). As I said earlier, I don't think sponsors would be afraid to invest money in this kind of scenario as they probably don't see it as a rape. At worst, it's "ambiguous" (= exciting for a lot of people, and a lot of people = $$$$$$).

 

I mean, it's not rape, but the sole fact that the writers though they had to have Ae trowing Pete at a locker door to make the scene hot and therefore please viewers speaks by itself when it comes to their business strategy ^_^

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1 minute ago, SaQaroz said:

Oh I know that, statistics for convicted rapist out of 100 rapes reported speak by themselves unfortunately. I agree with what you're saying here, but we were not talking in legal terms, or were we? I know there is absolutely 0 chance KK would be prosecuted for this as No would'nt report it anyway. Truth to be told, I don't even think Tar's was reported (I'd be surprised). This is not the question of either or not it would be easy to prosecute such a case, it is to ask yourself if it as indeed a rape or not. When you watch a show, you are the witness.You know what's happening  (which obviously police, judges dont...unless they break the 4th wall ;)). And it's not because it would be impossible to prove in front of a court that it didn't happen, or that it's not a rape.

Well using my own moral compass, which some of my friends say is overdeveloped, would i take  advantage of anyone that was drunk, absolutely not. Even if they give consent. 

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11 minutes ago, sweetseptember said:

Reminds me of a 14 year old  girl in my country who was gang raped in a toilet at school. The guys didn't get punished, they were even allowed to continue studying at the sama school the girl went in. And this happened in europe- in one of world's most well developed countries.Sometimes I wonder if we live in 21th century or what ? I hope the rape case in LBC will be tastefully done (meaning no  glamorise of rape...) But sadly, even though its 2018 we still have a long way to go before rape is seen as serious no matter what (not just in "some" cases like "he/she asked for it etc). its a worldwide problem... 

A girl got raped in toilets in my school too, by two guys of the same school. I knew one of them. We didn't see them for some months, then one day I saw him walking in the street. I learnt later that they had not been prosecuted, just reported to the scholl that had banished them for some time. This also happened in western Europe, in a so called developped country.

Rapists uner 18 are never convicted anyway.

 

Unfortunately, stories like these are numerous. It's why to see rapes being minimized always worries and saddens me. And I actually think it can be very damaging.

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13 minutes ago, sweetseptember said:

Reminds me of a 14 year old  girl in my country who was gang raped in a toilet at school. The guys didn't get punished, they were even allowed to continue studying at the sama school the girl went in. And this happened in europe- in one of world's most well developed countries.Sometimes I wonder if we live in 21th century or what ? I hope the rape case in LBC will be tastefully done (meaning no  glamorise of rape...) But sadly, even though its 2018 we still have a long way to go before rape is seen as serious no matter what (not just in "some" cases like "he/she asked for it etc). its a worldwide problem... 

When it comes to sexual assaults either to a woman  or man, we have a very long way to go to find an acceptable solution to the problem.  And, i don't think moral standards are getting better, i'd say they're getting worse. Especially when you see a man like Trump who's meant to be the leader of the "free world".  

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6 minutes ago, Kim Soo-Lee said:

Well using my own moral compass, which some of my friends say is overdeveloped, would i take  advantage of anyone that was drunk, absolutely not. Even if they give consent. 

I have no doubt on that ;) I just wish BL shows (and not only them) would make clear that i's extremely WRONG as there is no way you can be sure a drunk person consents to the sex.

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1 minute ago, SaQaroz said:

But wasn't money invested in Addicted too? (that's a real question, I actually don't know the background of this show). As I said earlier, I don't think sponsors would be afraid to invest money in this kind of scenario as they probably don't see it as a rape. At worst, it's "ambiguous" (= exciting for a lot of people, and a lot of people = $$$$$$).

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Actually Addicted was a pretty low budget series few- sponsors ( production costs were minimum.) Compare Addicted  to Uncontrolled Love a very high budget film - lots of sponsors etc. and that was in spite of the ban. I stopped reading the novel after the rape scene which was quite violent. Even though they feel in love after..ya ya ya !

We make the mistake to think that sponsors don't know what the conversations are or what the BL genre is about. They know and sponsor those series to a target audience. (think that damn fruity drink).  MCOT dropped LBC even though it was reportedly said that they would do a rewrite of some scenes. They dropped it anyway ( I'm sure they regret it because the $$$ from LBC is huge).

The locker scene is old school.  If you have watched enough drama's in general you see it happening...it's a plot device, simply that. It could have been a wall, a bed, a truck, a beach,...and yeah it was to make a point and move the scene. It creates reactions; in this case, a sense of urgency for one of the characters. 

 

Last year when it was announced that 2M would not have a 2nd season, there was much disappointment and outcry about not having a S2 of 2M... Why ? Because the "R" scene was in book 2 and fans wouldn't get to see it. ( Beam/Forth).  I thought that was pretty sad...as soon as a new drama is announced the first discussions are about the "scenes" in the novel.  As a gay guy, it's pretty sad to know that " those kinda" scenes are the most sought after by female readers; because consensual or not - the physiological impact is the same..it's the scenario that matters.  

 

So we can continue to beat this dead horse...however the bottomline remains that we have to wait and see what P'New has done with that scene. 

 

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Actually Addicted was a pretty low budget series few- sponsors ( production costs were minimum.) Compare Addicted  to Uncontrolled Love a very high budget film - lots of sponsors etc. and that was in spite of the ban. I stopped reading the novel after the rape scene which was quite violent. Even though they feel in love after..ya ya ya !

We make the mistake to think that sponsors don't know what the conversations are or what the BL genre is about. They know and sponsor those series to a target audience. (think that damn fruity drink).  MCOT dropped LBC even though it was reportedly said that they would do a rewrite of some scenes. They dropped it anyway ( I'm sure they regret it because the $$$ from LBC is huge).

The locker scene is old school.  If you have watched enough drama's in general you see it happening...it's a plot device, simply that. It could have been a wall, a bed, a truck, a beach,...and yeah it was to make a point and move the scene. It creates reactions; in this case, a sense of urgency for one of the characters. 

 

Last year when it was announced that 2M would not have a 2nd season, there was much disappointment and outcry about not having a S2 of 2M... Why ? Because the "R" scene was in book 2 and fans wouldn't get to see it. ( Beam/Forth).  I thought that was pretty sad...as soon as a new drama is announced the first discussions are about the "scenes" in the novel.  As a gay guy, it's pretty sad to know that " those kinda" scenes are the most sought after by female readers; because consensual or not - the physiological impact is the same..it's the scenario that matters.  

 

So we can continue to beat this dead horse...however the bottomline remains that we have to wait and see what P'New has done with that scene. 

 

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I know Addicted Heroin is very popular and well loved, but after reading the stuff Gu Hai does to Luo Yin , I kinda lost interest to watch it.. its just disturbs me so much. But it reminds me back in 1970s/1980s when around 90% of US romance novels had the male lead raping the female lead... i'm not sure, but in some asian countries (like china and thailand) it feels like the view on rape and consent is very similar to how it was like in 1970s/1980s USA...but i could be totally wrong lol. 

 

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26 minutes ago, deltos said:
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Actually Addicted was a pretty low budget series few- sponsors ( production costs were minimum.) Compare Addicted  to Uncontrolled Love a very high budget film - lots of sponsors etc. and that was in spite of the ban. I stopped reading the novel after the rape scene which was quite violent. Even though they feel in love after..ya ya ya !

We make the mistake to think that sponsors don't know what the conversations are or what the BL genre is about. They know and sponsor those series to a target audience. (think that damn fruity drink).  MCOT dropped LBC even though it was reportedly said that they would do a rewrite of some scenes. They dropped it anyway ( I'm sure they regret it because the $$$ from LBC is huge).

The locker scene is old school.  If you have watched enough drama's in general you see it happening...it's a plot device, simply that. It could have been a wall, a bed, a truck, a beach,...and yeah it was to make a point and move the scene. It creates reactions; in this case, a sense of urgency for one of the characters. 

 

Last year when it was announced that 2M would not have a 2nd season, there was much disappointment and outcry about not having a S2 of 2M... Why ? Because the "R" scene was in book 2 and fans wouldn't get to see it. ( Beam/Forth).  I thought that was pretty sad...as soon as a new drama is announced the first discussions are about the "scenes" in the novel.  As a gay guy, it's pretty sad to know that " those kinda" scenes are the most sought after by female readers; because consensual or not - the physiological impact is the same..it's the scenario that matters.  

 

So we can continue to beat this dead horse...however the bottomline remains that we have to wait and see what P'New has done with that scene. 

 

Thank you for the information, I had no idea. I find it sad too that some fangirls (most maybe?) are only really interested in hot scenes. It's also why writers/directors don't care about whether or not there's violence, dubious consent or even blatant rape in a sex scene cause they know a huge part of the  targeted  audience won't even care as long as the guys involved are young, sexy and willing to do a lot of fan-service.

 

However, I still think things won't stay that way forever. I've been watching Asian shows since I was a teenager and particularly in Chinese shows, I was already able to see that some things have changed. Some things which wouldn't have been such a big deal 10 years ago are not accepted anymore, or not perceived the same way anymore.

 

And yes, I'm definitely waiting to see what the director has in store for KK/Techno! In hope he will make some significant changes to the infamous first night :phew:

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I know Addicted Heroin is very popular and well loved, but after reading the stuff Gu Hai does to Luo Yin , I kinda lost interest to watch it.. its just disturbs me so much. But it reminds me back in 1970s/1980s when around 90% of US romance novels had the male lead raping the female lead... i'm not sure, but in some asian countries (like china and thailand) it feels like the view on rape and consent is very similar to how it was like in 1970s/1980s USA...but i could be totally wrong lol. 

 

 

I REALLY DISLIKED ADDICTED due to EVERYTHING that was done to Luo Yin. How anyone thought any of that was sexy or cute or sweet is beyond me. I always side-eye people recommending that drama to newbies in the BL sphere. Ugg...

 

since I work with defendants from all walks of life, I have had to work with those accused of rape, ranging from young people to the very old...like in their 70s old. And I try not to see them as just these bad actors, but as people with many complexities to them. It's hard due to my moral compass, however, not everyone has the same moral values/meters, we all take our cues from our societies and families. There are cases where throwing the person in prison is the way to go, but there are other cases where it isn't that simple. So, I totally feel for the victims in these types of crimes, but with my years of experience in the Criminal Justice field, I can also say that there are always more layers to those doing the bad actions. That is why for the Kengkla/No relationship, depending on the context of the scene, I will reserve my judgement until it plays out. WOW seems we opened up a big debate here today, great seeing everyone's different opinions

 

Someone mentioned Pete's hands on Ae in the preview OMG I LOVE YOU whoever YOU ARE!! I totally missed that but re-watching it on my computer screen I was able to appreciate everything!! Also, was PETE Shirtless already?? Damn AE works fast or Pete was ready to go! :phew:

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