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[Drama 2018-2019] Secrets and Lies, 비밀과 거짓말

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2 hours ago, whome said:

Ugh..."Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated, but there's no cure for stupid" (my fave quote) truly applies to this drama!!!!

:thumbsup:@whome  In this case educated or medicated can help them.. What gets me if Aunt went this far to tell DB why isn't she doing anything about these fakes.. This why I say DB destroy it all.. JB wil have no place to show his face nor will his mom.. Chairman claimed to WJ Mother even if he's in jail he still could get to her and kids.. Well I like to see what he do to these people who has fooled him and force his owm G/son to turn on him including his own daughter..

 

 

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Chairman was interrogated by the prosecutor, so at least something positive happened by the program being aired.  I really don't understand why DB and WJ even engage in any conversations with these crazy criminals anyway.  It's always a "no-win" crabfest, and pretty frustrating that no one gives a good slap to HK in the chops.  So many people claim they are not going to tell Chairman the truth, but I wouldn't put it past brat boy from the other company to drop the bomb.  That would be hilarious.  :lol:

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31 minutes ago, msmy said:

Chairman was interrogated by the prosecutor, so at least something positive happened by the program being aired.  I really don't understand why DB and WJ even engage in any conversations with these crazy criminals anyway.  It's always a "no-win" crabfest, and pretty frustrating that no one gives a good slap to HK in the chops.  So many people claim they are not going to tell Chairman the truth, but I wouldn't put it past brat boy from the other company to drop the bomb.  That would be hilarious.  :lol:

:w00t::w00t: Cracking Up @msmy  I also thinks it's going to be Brat Boy or President Shin that drops that Bomb on him.. He's not going to believe it but when whomever suggest to do a DNA to find out the truth and his daughter knows.. I can only imagine what would go through his head.. What's going to hit him even harder is that his real G/son knows and still sent him to the prosecution office.. 

One of the reasons I think president Shin will be the one to inform him because he would also inform him that his real Bio G/son is married to his Bio Daughter WJ..  

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6 hours ago, sava2sava said:

:w00t::w00t: Cracking Up @msmy  I also thinks it's going to be Brat Boy or President Shin that drops that Bomb on him.. He's not going to believe it but when whomever suggest to do a DNA to find out the truth and his daughter knows.. I can only imagine what would go through his head.. What's going to hit him even harder is that his real G/son knows and still sent him to the prosecution office.. 

One of the reasons I think president Shin will be the one to inform him because he would also inform him that his real Bio G/son is married to his Bio Daughter WJ..  

This will be President Shin's revenge to the Chairman. @sava2sava  All the misery that is happening to MR Oh is all his fault. His greed to polish his company't image is what got his entire family upside down. All secrets of the past would have remain a secret. 

NOW lets discuss JB and his mom.... Why hasn't she figured out that HK is still in love with DB. Why hasn't she figured out that HK is pushing her son to become a murderer. I have to say that HK is smart, she neve lifts a finger to sully her pretty hands but she has other doing the same. JB is running around like a headless man following the order of a woman who doesn't love him. TBH he knows KNOWS HK doesn't love him but because he is obsessed with her he will keep doing terrible things to make her happy.  I just can't wait for JB's mom to realize she has been had by HK from the beginning. LOL The person she has been hating and abusing is the only one who gave a damn about her family. So gladddddd WJ and DB got married. It is about damn time they got married. I hope she gets pregnant too.  I think Presiden Shin will tell  Mr Oh the truth because he will give him another truth that will pain him very badly. He will tell him DB WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM AND MISAENG GROUP.  HE WILL NEVER TAKE THE REIGN BECAUSE OF WHAT HE REPRESENTS. HE WILL NEVER LEAVE WJ BECAUSE HE LOVES HER WAY TO MUCH. 

Ironically MR OH admired DB for sending him to the prosecutor, getting married and taking vacation..

 

how many of you were disappointed at the NO KISS AT THE WEDDING. I WAS SO MAD. :tears::angry::tears:

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@UnniSarah... I'm raising my hand... I was shocked that there was no more affection shown than a peck and a hug.  What is with Korean culture that they are so shy about good, healthy, relationships, but have no trouble with abusive, insulting, cruel behavior?  People being dragged off to remote warehouses and beat up, water in the face, run down by cars, thrown into mental hospitals and kept as prisoners... NO PROBLEM!!!   But a natural, affectionate, passionate kiss... yikes!  Way too sexy, I guess.

 

In the real world, young married couples are going to be all over each other and spending time together as much as they can.  Does that even happen once with JB and HK?  They are portrayed like roomies in the college dorm.  Nothing normal at all.  :angry:

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8 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

Why hasn't she figured out that HK is still in love with DB. Why hasn't she figured out that HK is pushing her son to become a murderer. I have to say that HK is smart, she neve lifts a finger to sully her pretty hands but she has other doing the same. JB is running around like a headless man following the order of a woman who doesn't love him. TBH he knows KNOWS HK doesn't love him but because he is obsessed with her he will keep doing terrible things to make her happy.  I just can't wait for JB's mom to realize she has been had by HK from the beginning. LOL

Hello My Chingu, Now @UnniSarah  HK has her so brainwash until it's not funny.. Greddy Mama always has thought about becoming Rich but had no means or ideas on how to become Rich.. She will never see it that JB can't become Rich because he is of her and hubby bloodline.. They don't have that drive now how can JB have it when he has never seen it in his home.. All he has ever seen was Mom having the upperhand over Dad which is why it;s easy for him to bow down to HK demands.. JB will end up going to jail and she msy blame DB for it because she'll never think it was done because of HK involvment.. But I hope WJ Mom gives her this bitter news that she's at fault for putting JB in DB place and allowing him to marry a witch like HK who told JB to kill.. She needs to be slap in the face with HK trying to hookup with Bratty Rich Bioy and trying to take over the company..

Loved The Chairnan Told His Daughter That It Was HK That Got Him Lockup In Jail Right Now.. She Looked Stupid..:crazy: I Was Wondering Who Would Be Delivering Her This News That HK Is A Snake.. And Still Mad That DB Won't Have Anything To Do With Her.. He'll Step In The Line Of Presidency Even If It's To Stop Her.. This Will Slap JB Mom In The Face When She Sees HK Trying To Seduce Him.. Bit She'll Tell Her She Was Doing It To Help JB.  

 

27 minutes ago, msmy said:

@UnniSarah... I'm raising my hand... I was shocked that there was no more affection shown than a peck and a hug.  What is with Korean culture that they are so shy about good, healthy, relationships, but have no trouble with abusive, insulting, cruel behavior?  People being dragged off to remote warehouses and beat up, water in the face, run down by cars, thrown into mental hospitals and kept as prisoners... NO PROBLEM!!!   But a natural, affectionate, passionate kiss... yikes!  Way too sexy, I guess.

 

In the real world, young married couples are going to be all over each other and spending time together as much as they can.  Does that even happen once with JB and HK?  They are portrayed like roomies in the college dorm.  Nothing normal at all.  :angry:

@msmy  JB And HK Are Like Roommates..

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Chairman Oh has it all figured out that HK is behind his incarceration, so once again, crazy Mom kicks HK and JB out of the house.  I've lost track of how many times that has already happened, because they keep coming back like a bad rash.  :tears:  JB is so lame after figuring out HK's master plan, that he's going to end up as a guest in the gated community with Gramps.  Crazy Mom doesn't have the confidence to lead Miseong, so does she reach out to Pres. Shin out of desperation?  Preview shows Woo Jung pulling rank on HK for being the oldest son's  wife, so let's see how that goes as DB is ready to divorce his crook family for not accepting WJ.

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On 12/5/2018 at 2:24 PM, msmy said:

If you've been skipping episodes, 97 is the one to watch.  HA! HA!  I've never seen so much drama at the breakfast table!  By the end of the episode, Gramps knows the whole story of HK trying to run down HJW and daughter, and HK is banned from leaving the house and is locked in her room  :w00t:.  She's getting kicked out in the next episode.  And the herbal medicine was to keep her from getting pregnant.   Mwahahaha!  :lol:

 

 

@msmy, @sava2sava, @UnniSarah, @whome, @marrez1, @lu09 I wanted to thank you all for your comments on the past few pages. I have to say that your comments were more entertaining than the drama....some of them had me laughing out loud!!  I have been trying to decided if I wanted to watch this drama; however, after reading the post above, I had to watch ep 97. It's amazing I was able to immediately jump into the plot all due to your comments.  I have to say that I'm missing key understanding as to why the real grandson would keep up the charade and let these people scam his grandfather. Also, I need to truly understand the mother's revenge in greater detail, but I think I'll read the comments.....much more entraining. 

 

I love your dedication to this drama--it help those of us who can't muster up the energy to watch. Thank you!!

 

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, lclarakl said:

 

 

@msmy, @sava2sava, @UnniSarah, @whome, @marrez1, @lu09 I wanted to thank you all for your comments on the past few pages. I have to say that your comments were more entertaining than the drama....some of them had me laughing out loud!!  I have been trying to decided if I wanted to watch this drama; however, after reading the post above, I had to watch ep 97. It's amazing I was able to immediately jump into the plot all due to your comments.  I have to say that I'm missing key understanding as to why the real grandson would keep up the charade and let these people scam his grandfather. Also, I need to truly understand the mother's revenge in greater detail, but I think I'll read the comments.....much more entraining. 

 

I love your dedication to this drama--it help those of us who can't muster up the energy to watch. Thank you!!

 

 

 

 

@lclarakl... Hi chingu 

Let me tell you why the grandson is keeping quiet. 1. Because he is stupid and wants his brother to do a good deed. But we the viewers know that JB won’t do it because he is WEAK. He has always been weak, lazy and selfish. These three characteristics he has are inherited from both his parent. He loves money, soju, and lazy. He also has a big mouth, HK taught him how to kee his moth shut. It was love at first sight once JB saw HK. When he heard her story he felt bad for her. Every time she does something bad , he pitiés her and wants her to obtain Misaeng Group. DB wants his naive , lazy and pathetic brother but DB never saw the selfish side of him be like he love him. Once he realizes that JB has always been selfish and envious of him he will let him go never look back. I think in the End DB will abandon this family who took care of him for 30 years. HK has to much control on them and I fear JB’s mom May even agree with HK that murder is the best solution to their problem. If that happens DB will realize the woman he called mom never loved him. I think he is starting to realize that she may have never really love him for her to have hurt him like that. 

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Just a question since I didn’t get into this drama until a couple of days ago - how did DB get involved with the JB family of crooks? He is the long lost grandson of the son, but how did he get to this family?

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@noomma  I would like to know the answer to that question myself, sounds like something happened with the grandfather as he was adopted into that family from what i recall.

 

Another question for people,  why does a child adopted or not get treated like crap its entire childhood life into adulthood, finally find there own feet, put up the family ridicule and torment over and over, despite not having low self esteem learns to stand on their own two feet .  Then finds out the truth, is crumbled by it all, rips into family, but slowly comes to understand it even if they cant accept it, yet when the family objects to the wedding of her not being of class enough still tolertates the families abuse.  I know why the family is doing this.  But its a common theme through these dramas to tolerate the humilation from your parents the 99 percent abuse can be forgiven because they were 1 percent of a parent at some point in the childs life....  Its very rare i see a child throw the parents under the bus and walk away not wanting to have anything to do with them.  

 

Actually we do have that, we give them a fatal or life threatening disease as if that fixes it all.........  *shakes head in disgust*

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@noomma and fragglerock... glad you checked in and by all means, join the fun.  Briefly, the answer to your question is this...

Restaurant Dad's sister (a commoner) was involved with Chairman Oh's son and they had a baby named Do Bin.  Chairman's son died, and the daughter-in-law was rejected, so she ran off with DB to Canada and hid.  When she died, DB was still a baby and a friend took him to restaurant Dad and his wife to be raised.  Do Bin and Jae Bin were raised as brothers.  DB always had a high level of integrity, and as a reporter, called out injustices he saw in the corporate world or in public service.  This is why , when he actually found out that he was the heir to Miseong, wanted nothing to do with such a corrupt company.  Also adding to the situation is DB's now wife, who is the birth daughter of President Shin.  President Shin was married to crazy Mom of Miseong, so the relationships are quite toxic.

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@UnniSarah, chingu! THANK YOU! You gave a wonderful explanation. That answers quite a few questions I had. The actor playing JB played a very similar character in Designing Women--always falling for the evil, manipulate woman while also warring with the tiny bit of "goodness" within themselves that's peaks out every now and then, but is pushed aside by blind love. I have to say that the adoptive parents are the worse based on the tiny bit I've seen; not telling the truth about the real heir.

 

I also find it strange that so many people know the truth, but no one is willing to tell the chairman.

 

@fragglerock, I wonder the same thing. It's hard to find a Korean drama that shows an adopted child as a fully embraced member of the family. I don't understand why it's such a stigma. I also don't understand all is forgiven after such horrible treatment. Yes, the bible speaks of being forgiving, but we're also humans...I want to see real human emotions after such awful treatment.

 

@msmy, chingu! Thank you for answering another question I also had. That explains so much. I can understand DB being grateful, but I wish he could understand  how he's also being taken advantage of. I never understood how anyone could raise a child for years into adulthood and still mistreat them. 

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3 hours ago, lclarakl said:

The actor playing JB played a very similar character in Designing Women--always falling for the evil, manipulate woman while also warring with the tiny bit of "goodness" within themselves that's peaks out every now and then, but is pushed aside by blind love. I have to say that the adoptive parents are the worse based on the tiny bit I've seen; not telling the truth about the real heir.

 

Sorry to edit down your quote, but I loved Designing Women (Daring Women). Lee Yoo-Ri rocked in that role! But you're right, the actor JB's (Lee Joong-Moon) character also falls for the manipulative, lying, scheming, and greedy woman (the main lead's former sister-in-law and ends up becoming her mother-in-law).

 

JB is every bit of the selfish, petty, greedy but weak and very lazy person as @UnniSarah described. However, there has got to be some form of intelligence there. I mean, really, how obsessed can he be over HK not to see that 1) HK in actuality does not love him (she only loves herself probably); 2) HK is using him to get to her goal; 3) Once goal is met, she'll probably drop him like a sack of potatoes; 4) HK is truly a despicable person who is capable of murder (she tried to run down WJ & her mom and freely admit to it). If JB is not redeemed nor has a happy ending, I'm perfectly fine with it. He doesn't deserve it.

 

DB, for being so righteous about injustice, etc is really one naive and stupid guy. Stupid in the sense that he allows people to manipulate him, plus the blinders he has on must be super thick!!!  I understand that he loves his adopted family, who raised over the last 30 years, but dude, they gave up on you the minute they sent JB to live as the fake grandson. They never wanted you to know who you really were. In fact, they tried all they could to ensure JB continued to live as Oh Jae Bin and not Yoon Jae Bin. They didn't care enough about your future or happiness. Now that you found out about your true identity, they want you to keep it a secret and allow JB to live your life instead. They don't have any remorse about it. They don't want anything to happen to JB should the Chairman find out. All they care about is JB (their bio son). They don't care if anything happens to you at all. In fact, they tried to guilt you each and every time about ruining their lives, JB's life and future, etc. But, what about your's? Please, wake up from your stupor!!!

 

HK, nothing more needs to be said about her. She sucks as a character. There's no redeeming qualities in her. She should not have a happy or passable ending. She should not pass go and collect $200!!!!! She needs to go straight to jail or a worse ending for her! Do not redeem her, writer-nim. I know you love to write makjang, but if there's a twist, it better be a twist that's horrible for her!!!

 

We have about 16 eps left. Please start tying up loose ends and start the downfall for HK, her mom, JB, JB's mom, etc. Hate it when writers rush the ending and tries to cram everything in the last 2-3 eps. I want to watch their downfall a little bit in each episode and be truly satisfied at the end.

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Episode 105 is pretty much the families feuding, hair-pulling, and  insults, that result in DB and WJ going back to live with HJW.  I swear, DB has a sign on his back that says, "Kick Me", since he is pretty slow at accepting the fact that his mother will not allow WJ in the house.  By the end of the episode, DB is so overcome with guilt with what the scammers are pulling, that he visits Chairman in prison.  It looked like he was ready to tell Chairman the truth, but held back.  JB is ever so slowly getting to the point of not trusting HK, and she is being watched carefully by little secretary who reports to JB.  Frat boy is still coming on to HK, and she will play him for whatever she can get.  Can't wait for him to turn on her and call her out for her evilness.

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On 12/14/2018 at 11:13 PM, UnniSarah said:

I think in the End DB will abandon this family who took care of him for 30 years. HK has to much control on them and I fear JB’s mom May even agree with HK that murder is the best solution to their problem. If that happens DB will realize the woman he called mom never loved him. I think he is starting to realize that she may have never really love him for her to have hurt him like that. 

@UnniSarah  Greedy Mama shows DB in more ways then one that she never loved him.. He's still being a fool looking with his eyes wide shut.. I'm just really trying to figure it out what wil it takes for him to see these people for whp they really is.. I think from the preview JB meeting DB outside the prison telling JB that he told the chairman may lead to JB ends up telling the chairman himself.. For some reason JB seems to have been woken up to HK scheme she got going and he may just destroy her himself.. No way will she live without being apart of som reputable family..

 

On 12/15/2018 at 7:14 AM, lclarakl said:

, I wonder the same thing. It's hard to find a Korean drama that shows an adopted child as a fully embraced member of the family. I don't understand why it's such a stigma. I also don't understand all is forgiven after such horrible treatment. Yes, the bible speaks of being forgiving, but we're also humans...I want to see real human emotions after such awful treatment.

@lclarakl  The bible says forgive and not forget but in DB case he's playing dumb and stupid the more greedy mom begs him not to tell on JB the more I don't understand him.. He knows JB is stupid enough to do any bidding HK wants of him now why would he believe JB will do whats right is beyond me.. I say greedy mama should be punished for all her wrig doings how dare she have a problem with WJ when it's HK who have no parents at all isn't Koreans so gun ho about knowing ones bloodline but she seems ok to accept HK who don;t know anything about her parents..

 

On 12/15/2018 at 11:10 AM, whome said:

DB, for being so righteous about injustice, etc is really one naive and stupid guy. Stupid in the sense that he allows people to manipulate him, plus the blinders he has on must be super thick!!!  I understand that he loves his adopted family, who raised over the last 30 years, but dude, they gave up on you the minute they sent JB to live as the fake grandson. They never wanted you to know who you really were. In fact, they tried all they could to ensure JB continued to live as Oh Jae Bin and not Yoon Jae Bin. They didn't care enough about your future or happiness. Now that you found out about your true identity, they want you to keep it a secret and allow JB to live your life instead. They don't have any remorse about it. They don't want anything to happen to JB should the Chairman find out. All they care about is JB (their bio son). They don't care if anything happens to you at all. In fact, they tried to guilt you each and every time about ruining their lives, JB's life and future, etc. But, what about your's? Please, wake up from your stupor!!!

@whome  At some point maybe we will get DB telling them just this as he vows to cut ties against them.. Maybe the chairman will ask JB to kill DB and he tries to do it.. If it goes this far and JB knowing that HK is stabbing him in the back to leave him there's nop telling what the outcome maybe but I think JB may try to kill DB and HK both just to live his fake life to continue to live as MS group only heir..

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@msmy and @sava2sava, I can only hope that DB is given a spine by the writer and he realize that he's only hurting himself by continuing to let his fake family take advantage of him. I also find his real aunt disappointing. She's willing to let fake people into the family instead of her own real flesh and blood. 

 

@whome, What's also irritating about DB is he's so determined that his grandfather pay for his crimes, what about his fake family?  Why is he so willing to let them off the hook and continue down the path of deception in order to steal his birthright. That's why DB is stupid and naive to me.

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52 minutes ago, lclarakl said:

@msmy and @sava2sava, I can only hope that DB is given a spine by the writer and he realize that he's only hurting himself by continuing to let his fake family take advantage of him. I also find his real aunt disappointing. She's willing to let fake people into the family instead of her own real flesh and blood. 

 

@whome, What's also irritating about DB is he's so determined that his grandfather pay for his crimes, what about his fake family?  Why is he so willing to let them off the hook and continue down the path of deception in order to steal his birthright. That's why DB is stupid and naive to me.

Chingu @lclarakl  DB is very naive and dumb. I think the only reason he is willing to let it go is because he wants their love chingu but TBH I don't think they can really love him truly. DB will  start to think clearly once HK gets possession of the company. HK has been making allies and buying people off since the beginning of the drama.

She (HK) has committed so many crimes against JB's family that need to be revealed so that they can finally cut ties with her. JH, JB, HYS and YCS needs to find out that the moment she moved in with them, she has been planning to tempt them to commit crimes that will make them indebted to her. She pretended to be a caring and classy girl that really cares for JB but in truth she wants Oh Do Bin. The fact she was the one who ruined HJW's career , cause her accident, kidnapped WJ  and a lot more other crimes that suits her. 

 

Even JH is siding with her parents. JB is slowly turning evil and I fear he might end up killing or trying to hurt HK because she doesn't love him at all. She only loves herself, I am so happy that DB's aunt has finally realized that HK never loved her. HK has always been using her, she new she was being used but she couldn't bare to lose someone else. I think once the drama ends  OH Yeon Hee may end up in the nut house. She exhibited the sign of losing one mind already, that is exactly what HK want.

 

@sava2sava  I fear your theory my happen chingu. I especially loved HK telling JB that she would hurt him or possibly kill him if he ever got in her way. He look so horrified and yet still stuck around her. What a Loser. 

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On 12/15/2018 at 1:30 AM, lclarakl said:

 

 

@msmy, @sava2sava, @UnniSarah, @whome, @marrez1, @lu09 I wanted to thank you all for your comments on the past few pages. I have to say that your comments were more entertaining than the drama....some of them had me laughing out loud!!  I have been trying to decided if I wanted to watch this drama; however, after reading the post above, I had to watch ep 97. It's amazing I was able to immediately jump into the plot all due to your comments.  I have to say that I'm missing key understanding as to why the real grandson would keep up the charade and let these people scam his grandfather. Also, I need to truly understand the mother's revenge in greater detail, but I think I'll read the comments.....much more entraining. 

 

I love your dedication to this drama--it help those of us who can't muster up the energy to watch. Thank you!!

 

 

 

 

Sorry for the late reply. No problem chingu. It's a good thing that you didn't watch the entire show lol:joy:

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