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[Drama 2018-2019] Memories of the Alhambra | Recuerdos de la Alhambra 알함브라 궁전의 추억

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/deep sigh/

 

I only want a HAPPY ENDING for Jin Woo and Hee Joo

 

and their squad too, pls be happy Yang Ju, Park, Halmeoni, Se Joo and Min Joo

that's all I want for my long running for this drama

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I'm holding myself so much after reading that interview, I didn't read all of it, but what i read warrants me to hold myself so much from swearing not to watch any if this writer's dramas again. I'll catch you all later. Have a nice day everyone. 

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2 hours ago, nistymaj01 said:

The plot was explained to the cast as well as the first few script episodes but the rest of the scripts were yet to.be written. PSH was made to understand that Emma will hold a big part in the story's development even though, it is male centric but as SJJ herself said she had difficulty in incorporating the role of Emma/Heejoo as an important factor in the story spewing abt IU like role. Meaning she ran into a wall with this character that it got sidelined. As fans, we are not asking for more romance. Just that the Emma/Heejoo character be given enough if not equal importance in resolving conflicts within the story.

exactly!!  We are not asking for romance or something. It's just HJ/emma role could have been written much better other than just supporting JW

 

3 hours ago, ismaeni said:

 

I don't get it with PSH fan actually

lol.. no offense.. but as far as I know PSH was aware only up-to few episodes and if you read SJJ article you will see that SJJ requested PSH to understand that her role will be weaker. Many of her fans will be upset, when her scenes are hardly some 15mins in the whole one hour. Who wouldn't be? 

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2 hours ago, nistymaj01 said:

The plot was explained to the cast as well as the first few script episodes but the rest of the scripts were yet to.be written. PSH was made to understand that Emma will hold a big part in the story's development even though, it is male centric but as SJJ herself said she had difficulty in incorporating the role of Emma/Heejoo as an important factor in the story spewing abt IU like role. Meaning she ran into a wall with this character that it got sidelined.

 

Is that really certain? What part of the story did she know from the beginning? I think she knew what she was getting into, and she saw it as a good role.
When Han Yoo-Joo accepted the role of Oh Yoon-Jo, the actress had read the script. She was so excited that she said she wouldn't find such a good script in her career.
I suppose the actors are very happy to have the chance to shoot in a drama written by SJJ. The two MOA actors also made statements on this subject. They do not see things in the same way as disappointed spectators do.

 

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As fans, we are not asking for more romance. Just that the Emma/Heejoo character be given enough if not equal importance in resolving conflicts within the story.

 

I don't see why one of the main roles should have to be equal to solve things, equal to appear at times or whatever. The character must stand in his ideal position according to the story and nothing more. As I have already said, if her role is to cry and move me (which she does very well), I am very satisfied.

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Let me say a few things, i understand the drama is male centric , I understand the idea that Hee Joo exists only to give emotional support and I like her personality, I still wish she had more depth but that's okay, Shin Hye doing both HJ and Emma was great cause there was a very apparent contrast and different aura between the two,  but I don't like how the writer is just like saying *oh i don't know what to do with her so here's the romance but it still doesn't make sense to me * it's basically throwing your character that you wrote under the bus. Why ?? I will say that HB and PSH have done a spectacular job making their romance believable because of their great acting and amazing chemistry. If it were any other pair I don't think it'll be believable. 

Now on to my second point, which richard simmons me off the most. I had faith in this writer, the way the story evolved made me scared of one thing and that is that the writer just loves throwing twists here and there just to amp up the excitememt and make good cliffhangers, but won't give answers at the end, but now after her interview, it turned out even worse, like you can't just throw in all those questions and then explain it as fantasy/magic or just a mere virus. That's disrespectful (in my opinion ) to the viewer, especially a loyal viewer very invested in the story and trying to wrap their mind and coming up with theories for it. If you want to make your own world then it needs rules, it needs cause and effect, you can't just brush it under the rug like that.

 

 

I should shut up for now, this interview really ruined my excitement for the final episodes,  SJJ has AMAZING IDEAS i'll give her that, that she wrote one of my favorite drama ( queen in hyun's man ) but from now on I think she needs to spend more time writing her stories,  make them more tight. you can't always escape plot holes, but you can do your best to minimize them, and if she thinks they're not fit for dramas then don't make them a drama, and don't fool your viwers like that. 

End of rant, see yall later. 

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57 minutes ago, wenchanteur said:

 

Is that really certain? What part of the story did she know from the beginning? I think she knew what she was getting into, and she saw it as a good role.
When Han Yoo-Joo accepted the role of Oh Yoon-Jo, the actress had read the script. She was so excited that she said she wouldn't find such a good script in her career.
I suppose the actors are very happy to have the chance to shoot in a drama written by SJJ. The two MOA actors also made statements on this subject. They do not see things in the same way as disappointed spectators do.

 

 

I don't see why one of the main roles should have to be equal to solve things, equal to appear at times or whatever. The character must stand in his ideal position according to the story and nothing more. As I have already said, if her role is to cry and move me (which she does very well), I am very satisfied.

Yess i agree with u

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Hope the rating continue to rise up for the hardworkwork if all the casts especially HB and PSH. And to all the production staffs

Edited by Celi67
Hope for rating to continue to rise up for the sake of the hardwork of all the cast especially HB and PSH
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4 hours ago, ash011 said:

as far as I know PSH was aware only up-to few episodes and if you read SJJ article you will see that SJJ requested PSH to understand that her role will be weaker. Many of her fans will be upset, when her scenes are hardly some 15mins in the whole one hour. Who wouldn't be? 

So PSH, being the professional actress she is, probably gave SJJ the understanding she requested...?

And I'd like to think that SJJ wrote the story for her fans, not for fans of the cast (whoever that might be, coz it really can be just anybody, even a rookie actor/actress)...

 

@Celi67 I would appreciate it if you go edit your post above. The opening and closing sentence is rather offensive for a fan of SJJ like me. I started to watch this drama because she is the writer. Thank you.

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9 hours ago, wenchanteur said:

 

Many thanks, It's an interview where she tells a lot of things, I put it in my favorites!

 

She confirms something she had already said: she is not comfortable with dramas. Yep she should stick to movies or books. For "W", her story was too long to last in 16 episodes. And here, she first thought of it as a film script. How is a movie length (2hr approx) suffice to 16 eps (16hrs) ? even if she had no intention of the romance aspect(which was the case) it would not be adequate for 16hrs...besides JW would be dead when he was chased by zombie cha at the hospital.

 Maybe to make sure it holds up well in 16 episodes. It is felt enough, MOA gives me the impression that it ends too quickly, that there has not been enough. On the one hand, we are never bored, thanks to her talents as a sticom writer, she has no trouble developing a story over a longer period of time. I don't think it's done by an artificial process of lengthening the story. It is clear from the drama that she always has something interesting to say. She' s just developing the story. It probably wouldn't have fit in a movie, maybe she's wrong about that. Agree MOA should be a movie instead thus a male centric role will be more acceptable

 

For romantic story, it is obvious that the kdrama style requires her to put one on, there is no choice! So, she's going to crush her story to find the best love story that could suit the script. It can't be a conventional love story, that's good. It is through this kind of friction that something good emerges. And the actors are so good that they're going to make it perfect. Did she really trust the artists esp on the romance side of things? I doubt it as she said herself that she was surprised by their chemistry. 

*snip - sorry had to cut your post*

 

Her approach is authentic, she starts to have ideas, then modifies them, it takes a lot of time, two years before, she already had a very beginning. Instead of a time travel story, she writes MOA. There has been a typical alteration in a creative process, something unexpected is challenging the expected. Hence Pokemon Go influence and AR for MOA

 

*snip again*

 

EDIT: I guess with this new interview, she'll still be hated by a lot of people. I remember the flood of angry comments she had suffered on an English website for her previous interview about "W". She's a cursed artist.  But as she herself says, too bad, there are many people who like what she does too or who understand it. She is an adorable person who dares to be sincere, even if she takes blows.

 

The spectators are erratic and ruthless, it is impossible to write stories according to what they want. This is certainly the last thing to consider!
In "W", many people did not like the story to be too focused on the two main characters, and wanted more time for the secondary characters.
In "MOA", a little more time is available to talk about the secondary characters, and the audience is annoyed and finds that it is better to focus on the main characters. (however, I love the passages with Yu-Ra and Pf Cha!)

The spectators react as if they were ordering a menu from mcdonald's!
- Give me a XXL romance menu Hyun Bin-Park Shin Hye, please. Take the tears out of the sandwich, please, there's enough in the fries.

 

Nope, just some clear consistent explanations would be ideal and most importantly interpreted in the drama itself and NOT in her interviews. We the viewers should be able to understand the plot without her having to try to reason it out. She shouldnt need to explain her ideas for her work esp if she really didnt care what her critics thought...as I do agree haters will always hate and that you cant please all. Maybe she knows that there are some plotholes in her work and is trying to reason that it was "magic" - its a fantasy drama. Thus anything is possible so why not people dying in games and it can be caused by another player or NPC, wearing a lens or not wearing one your still playing, applying the virus/danger to one player (JW) over any other players because his the male lead, deliberately dumbing or in nicer terms weaken down other secondary characters (Id say its all the other side characters - Choi, police officers, YR, SeJu, CHS, Park, Prof Cha not just HJ) for the sake of the hero.

Gosh Im boiling up again, I cant go on. Sorry @wenchanteur lets agree to disagree on anything inregards to SJJ and those interviews...i dont mean to pick on you or any fans of hers. We still have 2 eps to go and even if the finale looks like it will be questionable Im going to TRY and enjoy it. I did say try

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Did not read (translate) the interview, just reading your comments wc are all understandable coming from the drama audience or fans of its cast or the writer. 

 

I am in between of this (hooked viewer and a follower of the actors) - as mentioned the interview timing maybe off esp if your cast has a solid fan base. But I believe that this actors must have their reasons whether to accept the drama or not - so I will just wait and see after all at the end of the day it will be their performance that will make the impact how small or big part they have (wc generally my reason in supporting these leads).

 

As for the story, this viewer (me) will just accept it how it is.. magic or fantasy whatever. Coz it will be useless for me to loose interest since we only have  2 hrs for the story to end, I will just sit back, relax and consider the finale as if Im watching a movie. B)

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now i am getting anxious of the ending... i was on a ray of hope for my happy ending when i see the romantic scenes unfolding, now i am uncertain... esp now that SJJ seems to compare JW character to the one who... who is that... the one who died...??!!!   sooooo was that like preparing our hearts, like some sort of mind conditioning and damage control for the ending...! ohhh crappy patty!!! i

 

calling all zombies on the house...! i think we have a new subject to haunt!!! get ready!!! :w00t::blink:

 

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i am with you chinggu!!! I ONLY WANT A HAPPY ENDING FOR JW AND HJ TOO!!! they both deserve to be happy!!!

5 hours ago, deluluishealthy said:

/deep sigh/

 

I only want a HAPPY ENDING for Jin Woo and Hee Joo

 

and their squad too, pls be happy Yang Ju, Park, Halmeoni, Se Joo and Min Joo

that's all I want for my long running for this drama

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kasmic said:

Gosh Im boiling up again, I cant go on. Sorry @wenchanteur lets agree to disagree on anything inregards to SJJ and those interviews...i dont mean to pick on you or any fans of hers. We still have 2 eps to go and even if the finale looks like it will be questionable Im going to TRY and enjoy it. I did say try

 

Hi, there's no reason you shouldn't talk about what you want because there would be fans. It may be a trend for people who like actors to take things to heart or feel hurt, but I'm not that kind of fan. I like her qualities as a writer and analyze what she does to improve. Anyway, you can't hope to write something that never hurts anyone, otherwise there wouldn't be any way to write anything.
I am also disappointed that such an interview was published so quickly, even though I like its content. And by the way, I'm going to avoid rereading it for now.  There are spoilers, and I don't like being spoilt. The journalist should not have asked some questions, and SJJ should not have answered them, at least if the interview was scheduled to be published before the end of the drama. I would not have been bothered if she hadn't given any explanation, and if these explanations hadn't been included in the drama either. I'll have found them by the time I see it again!
It would have been better if it had been published after the end of the drama, really. 

 

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3 hours ago, ned_lee said:

As for the story, this viewer (me) will just accept it how it is.. magic or fantasy whatever. Coz it will be useless for me to loose interest since we only have  2 hrs for the story to end, I will just sit back, relax and consider the finale as if Im watching a movie. B)

 

Yes, it would be a great shame if people who liked the drama felt disappointed at the last minute, and that it ruined their enjoyment! SJJ's dramas are too exciting to be prevented from being watched, so people look at them and love them, but her style is rather nebulous, unlikely to provide explanations. As if there was a price to pay.

 

It makes me realize that in my own story, I give too many explanations, I'm afraid that it will make the plot heavier or that it will remove a certain charm of mystery. It is more skillful to say nothing, but to show, to induce meaning through action. Either I don't have this quality enough, or I have a natural tendency to like intellectual dialogues because I find them funny and exciting. Even when the viewer can guess, I like to add a point of explanation.


There is a strong emotional involvement, a kind of love-hate relationship, a bit like Park Min-Soo in "W". :D Even though he hated W for a while, he is too passionate to stop himself from seeing the end and enjoying it. I hope that this will also happen to people who have been destabilized by MOA. Moreover, this is hardly a surprise. Since her drama Nine, this scriptwriter has been unleashing passions. I think that's a very positive point!

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Hello! I’ve been following this thread for all the interesting comments and BTS translations for a while, so thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts!

 

I just wanted to add maybe another way of thinking about the narrative’s ‘plot holes’ or infringements on logical or realistic frameworks because I find that fascinating as a motif in many highly regarded and critically acclaimed narrative works around the world. In terms of philosophy, more specifically ontology (which focuses on the nature of being and relations of being) this is called “metalepsis.”

 

Metalepsis can be roughly defined as an impossible transgression of uncrossable boundaries. So for example, when a character of one novel from an author announces themself as the story world author of another novel from the same author: this doesn’t make sense. Although readers, and in this case viewers, can accept that a narrative is fictional, it must abide by the rules of its genre for us to be able to willingly suspend disbelief and immerse ourselves in the narrative. 

 

The fascinating thing that is highly debated and studied nowadays, particularly in the realm of contemporary literature, is that more and more writers are incorporating this technique. South African author J.M. Coetzee, for example, does precisely this with his character ‘Elizabeth Costello’ in his novel ‘Slow Man’ (2006). Elizabeth Costello is the protagonist of a completely different novel, who announces herself as the author of ‘Slow Man’ halfway through the novel to the character ‘John’ and it’s mind-boggling. 

 

I think this is relevant in MOA because the boundary distinguishing the world of AR and the world of the drama’s reality is impossibly transgressed, the clearest example being Jeong-hun’s death by an NPC. This isn’t possible and none of the explanations are satisfactory. It forces us to question the nature of the relationship between fiction and reality and I think this is precisely the point. It is perhaps unsatisfactory to say that just because it’s a drama or a novel then it can bypass rules of logic, but because this is a drama about AR I think it is an effective tactic. There is an air of distrust around AR and it is unsettling because it disturbs the distinction between fiction and reality. The more it’s developed and the more visceral the experience, the more we venture into unknown territory with regards to repercussions on the users’ sense of reality. 

 

What is the difference between reality and the perception of reality? How do we know what we know is ‘true’? I think narratives that raise these questions are responding to the issues in the current climate (re: Trump and ‘post-truth’ or Brexit, events that suggest people are struggling to filter facts from the allure of frankly untrue narratives) are not only fascinating, but relevant and socially important.

 

(Plus, I’m loving the chemistry between HB and PSH and I think it’s a wonderfully crafted drama overall!) 

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18 hours ago, stroppyse said:

had a feeling that my issue with W was going to be my issue with MoA, and I think Writer SSJ has just confirmed it. It's that the "fantasy" aspect is used to wave away anything that can't be explained, including how things evolve or devolve. Also, the idea that the game because of the interaction with the lenses to view augmented reality becomes a virus is far-fetched enough that I don't think many, if any, of her viewers understood that as the intent. Personally, I think that is a flaw in the writing when a key point is missed by all the viewers.

You took the words out of my mouth. I just wonder how could she did it again.. I just feel like... "heol.... " 

18 hours ago, stroppyse said:

As for the romance, I don't think I appreciated how much of it is down to PSH and HB to interpret the romantic angles. It is their personal chemistry that has elevated the romance to something more than the afterthought that it seems to have been. Given that the gameplay isn't that engaging really, one would have thought the romance would have at least received more of a serious treatment.

If both actors didn't do it so well like they have done, and if it's not because of their extraordinary chemistry, the romances will just go so meeh... really. That's my take. LOL

 

18 hours ago, stroppyse said:

And, frankly, the fact that there is nary a CGI gorilla in sight in this drama makes it a huge improvement over HB's last drama.

LOLS, indeed. It is a huge improvement from the last. At least I am thankful for this to the writer. She puts the charm and all the attentions goes for his direction in turn. 

 

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How could she lived with her desire by neglecting the important aspect of the writing, a clarity and integrity. 

 

@Kasmic I know it's a male centered drama as what we've seen so far. But as @vangsweetie637 said even magic has its explainable steps behind. I watched several sci-fi, fantasy, magic and other fantasy elements. But all those have its clarity that ease the faithful viewers who follow the story of the characters of the drama/story that they watched. Like a compensation after such long hours of confusion. Sigh . I guess she did apologize to HHJ before for writing her character in such a manner in w. Sighhh... old stuff new case. So if she could fix her 'desire' of the unexplainable fantasy aspect she does love so much, she'd better try to make it more clearer or at least acceptable as fantasy logic. If she does, then a five star for her work.

 

But the strange thing is I keep watching on this till it ends later. And I enjoy it. Hahahaha

 

Oppss.. sorry to the writer fans.. I just voice out my opinion, please read carefully, no offense and don't mad at me okay. Just don't read or ignore this post if you disagree. 

 

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20 minutes ago, stargazer187 said:

Oppss.. sorry to the writer fans.. I just voice out my opinion, please read carefully, no offense and don't mad at me okay. Just don't read or ignore this post if you disagree. 

Please feel free to voice out your opinions and frustrations. I don't mind hearing frustrations about her. I get frustrated about certain stuff of the drama too. I am a fan but I never support anyone blindly. If the finale turned out to be disappointing, I will call it so as well. I will be frustrated and disappointed in her, but I will wish her well and still anticipate an improved project next time. Just like the Hong sisters, I love them, but gotta admit some of their works don't appeal to me. But I still look forward to their dramas and will definitely check new ones out, instead of wishing something so strongly negative for them. Or for any other writer/actor/actress...

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Time for some positivity, we can't change this writer, or her way of writing her story, we can only hope she does better in her next work, and like I said before, she already has amazing ideas, her dramas all offer a fresh plot in the k-drama world, which she should be praised for, it's just that the execution leaves  much to be desired, she still manages to engage viewers in her stories ( like us ) so I'll give her that, for now, I'mma go back to waiting for the last 2 episodes, SJ has so much to talk about, I hope the game is fixed or cancelled all together, and HJ and JW have their well deserved happy ending.

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