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[Drama 2018-2019] Memories of the Alhambra | Recuerdos de la Alhambra 알함브라 궁전의 추억

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1. I love the kiss & I feel it comes appropriately at the time when he needs HJ the most. The time when he has lost everything, people once like family turn against him, friend he trusted doesn't seem trustworthy anymore. The last thing he wants from HJ is pity. The first time he went for the kiss surprised HJ but she didn't flinch. He stopped & looked at her,  she didn't look away.  If it was just pity on her side, she wud have flinch. Imagine a lunatic & a murder suspect trying to kiss her,  she wud have back off.  If she didn't blindly trust him, she wud have and we all know people in love are blind. I think that proof enuf for JW that HJ is sincerely in love with him. 

 

2. I think SJ is alive somewhere in Granada. He was injured when he arrived in Granada & they wud have track him via immigration if he has enter Korea. I think he is lying low in a blind zone or such places.  He is the game creator, surely he created a hideout or safe places. 

 

3. I still think HJ isn't in the game. if she's in the game than she's only able to meet Emma in the Granada cafe & not in JW's room. I'm sure the one in JW's room is the hologram from the office. Remember when the programmer guy was trying out several outfits for Emma,  JW told him to scrap it off & not use Emma in their game,  so I suspect when JW left his office he took the hologram with him. 

 

4. I started to suspect Park is the culprit when he got all work out & angry at sec.  Seo when he found out JW had return to Korea in the last few months. Why was he angry?  Becos he been comfortable making decisions & authorizations for the company without JW's approval, now he has to get JW's approval for everything relates to company? Altho  the company started by 3 people it was only JW & CTH brains & idea all the way while Park just ride along with their success. Now with CTH dead, JW declared as lunatic, Prof Cha being the bad guy who turn his back on his family, look like Park will get a complete control of the company soon. I'm not surprised if he design Seo to be killed becos Seo as JW's ally he can vouch & confirm he sees CTH too thus proof JW is not crazy. So Seo was in the way for making JW a crazy man & that will ruin his plan.  

 

5. I really  really hope when JW wins everything will revert back to their original but even it's not hopefully both JW & HJ will have their happy ending. And to have their happy ending, SJ has to be alived

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I've discussed this before with some friends out of this thread. I wonder why would SJ create this deadly game in the first place? What's his goal? He is missing and no one knows his whereabouts. But in the game, he (master) keeps sending JW some stuffs, let's say the quest message then the special item. How could it be. Then, I supposed all of this has been created already before he's gone missing. If it's not, then it means he keeps developing the game somewhere we didn't know? Like he tries to fix things better? I wonder since he is the creator then it's his responsibity if this game is having a problem like now. Shouldn't he the one who takes the responsibility of it since the game he'd created has lead some people to death, real life death. ;) I'm more confused on this :sweatingbullets:

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This is my two cents about last two episodes...

 

Does anyone notice few strange and funny scenes in ep 11?

First, when Park asked where was JW (episode 11), his secretary said that JW had gone since morning and Park also HJ had just arrived in the evening. But when HJ went to the room there was only empty bed with the infuse needle still hang in there (just wonder why the nurse or cleaning service did not make up the room). :phew:

Second, HJ went to the park where CHS body was found then send a text to JW. JW just arrived in seoul, he called from the cab on the way to his company that evening. It means HJ and JW were in the same time frame which is in the evening. JW has arrived in seoul in the evening not late night, but how come he reached seoul so fast? Is there any flight from Granada to Barcelona and then to Seoul that could be reach less than 12 hours except with private jet maybe? 

I believe JW had arrived not at late night but in the evening? Because when JW barged into the server control room there some employees still working, then came prof Cha who was still at the company too. there were some loopholes that could be confusing if we did not follow it closely. especially when the story line using flashback scenes mixed up with present scenes.  

I, sometimes, do not care with this mismatch time in drama but sometimes it was annoying and confusing.

Third. HJ came back few days later on went to JW room with tech guy. She has waited JW patiently and asked him to have dinner. the time he woke up, almost midnight (11.04 pm) but they still went out for late dinner or supper. When JW drove her home Park who was still at the office called HJ phone (I think it was past midnight because dinner would take 1-2 hours or more included the drive). Park told him to leave the country because police would reinvestigated CHS case. in the same time Su jin came to meet prof Cha and they talked about reopen CHS dead case. But, Jw refused Park advice then he asked HJ to prove that she believed him and this ep end with the kissing scene that I believe had already way past midnight lol! The next mismatch time was when she came home and took a shower her phone said it was still 01.34 am! she took shower in the middle of the night wow couldn’t believe it, because it already cold in seoul those days (we can see from her outfits). 

Then HJ texted JW without any answer. She was stay awake until 2.58 am and went outside to look for JW who still waiting in his car. She invited him into her house and offer him to sleep in the workshop not-so-convinient couch. She couldn’t sleep and neither JW, they talked and she made him tea but MJ caught her inthe kitchen. How come a middle school girl still awake at that time, unless it was weekend.

 

My other two cents...

About CHS and LSJ, it was clear that they had an affair for five months before JW divorced her. Then after CHS left the company and seen LSJ he proposed to her, that he also told JW that he was going to marry his ex.  The baby was CHS and LSJ, but because CHS was afraid that LSJ would be back to JW, he became alcoholic and temperamentally. He did not believe that the baby his biological son, neither did prof Cha, that’s why prof cha did DNA test after hearing what YR said.

Some posters here say maybe LSJ is one of the culprit here besides Park, but I don’t think so. Why? Because she still cares about JW and she hates her FIL who doesn’t believe that her son is cha’s. How about Park? I think it’s not him either because he is not a game developer, he is just a financial expert working in hitech company. He needs JW to run the company, cause most of their products are about hitech things for example the smart lenses, the game etc that might be created by JW.

There is something inside this game that maybe someone has changed it. Maybe it was changed by Marco or maybe SJ himself before CHS and JW tried this game. That’s why SJ was missing and Marco was dead because the game could not be controlled anymore. Remember the broken file email for JW that could not be opened? Maybe it was virus that had infected the server or already changed the initial game?

 

so about who is the one behind this mess will be known when JW and HJ find Sejoo. Well, till now I never think too hard about the culprit, I just enjoy watching all of the episodes, especially when HJ gets involve into the game as her NPC player or may be as herself. 

 

 

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@imels minju was already asleep but she woke because she wanted to go to the toilet . Then she saw hee ju in the kitchen making tea

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I like HJs outfit  for the dating.

That was a beautiful scene when HJ ran up to the car,

and JW just kept staring at her.

And then he blamed the earrings. :D

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Ha, we are partying till next Saturday. BTW, it was halemoni again! Our OTP couldn't even finish their first dinner date. :mellow:

Also, there was this assumption that maybe JW is an insensitive husband causing failure of his two marriages. Maybe HeeJu had the same perception regarding him that's why she was so surprised to see him toasting bread and rather acting like a total husband. I don't know about dating or being girlfriend/boyfriend but they will definitely be awesome(strict) parents if they do get married..they practically looked like they are already married for 10 years..lol!

 

About the game- we are still where we were when CHS first died and became zombie. That's episode 3. There hasn't been much revealed regarding what is actually wrong with the game or whether it is merely a glitch, fantasy, psychological, biological or someone's manipulations, even though it feels like a lot has happened with the game but actually very little has been revealed. With only four episodes left, I am wondering what explanation should I expect, and will it be satisfying. I can understand that writer wants that final 'ta-da' moment to be as impactful as possible and that's why she has kept her cards hidden till the very end, almost like that magician who fools the audience throughout the trick, only to bring out the rabbit out of the hidden hole in the hat. Magic!

 

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does anyone else think how ridiculous it is when an NPC knows what its name is and that he can "hear"

 

when prof called "HS", he actually stopped and looked at him as if he heard himself being called..

 

also, NPC charges ahead.. does not walk down from last bench to the first row , only to pose for modeling and stop looking at mortal enemy :P

 

its hard to take the last scene of ep 12 seriously

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On 1/5/2019 at 11:04 PM, stroppyse said:

(JW has just finished a call with Park and is standing there. HJ gets out of the car and comes up to him.)

HJ: Why are you just standing there being rained on?
JW VO: Despite how much effort I had put in, there is nothing that has changed from a year ago.
HJ: What’s going on? Something is going on, isn’t there. Is it something bad?
JW: He’s telling me to leave again…
HJ: Leave? To where?
HJ: Why are you leaving? Where are you going now?
HJ: What happened?
JW: Have I ever told you about my family?
HJ: No.
JW: My parents have passed away. I don’t have any siblings. I don’t have a wife or children either. A friend who I had thought of as no different from being my brother became my enemy and died. My secretary who was like my little brother also died. The man that I followed as if he were my father has turned his back on me. Even the company that I made has thrown me away. Now, I really don’t have anyone by my side. Before, they all used to trust my words and followed me, but now no one trusts me. They want me to acknowledge one of two things. That I’m either crazy or a murderer. However, because both of those things aren’t true, I can’t admit to them. He’s telling me to leave again, but I don’t want to leave. Since leaving would mean admitting to them.

 

Spoiler

JW: If even only one person in the world told me that they trusted me, I wouldn't leave. Do you still trust me? That you trust me, can you say it?
HJ: I trust you. I told you I trust you. I will trust you.
JW: Prove it. That you trust me, prove it.
HJ: How could I prove that?
JW:You don’t know? How to prove it to me?
(JW kisses HJ :wub:)


JW VO: There is nothing that has become better than a year ago. I am still a miserable, defeated man, and moving faster into ruination. If there is anything different from a year ago, it’s that I haven’t left, and Hee Joo is by my side.

 

 

 

Whew. Sweet kisses.

 

edit: I changed the translation and added dialogue prior to the clip because when I watched the episode, I realized a few things. First off is that in Korean, the word for "belief" is the same word as "trust". So, JW is asking HJ if she still believed in him and trusted him, and didn't think he was crazy or doing random things. It also fits better with the kiss since the kiss is about trust, so I changed my commentary about watching this scene. It's not a flirtation nor an act of desperation on JW's part. He does crave the warmth and belief that HJ has offered him freely and willingly at a moment when everyone seems to have died, turned against him, or both.

 

So, the kiss is an acknowledgment of their attraction to each other, but it's so much more than that. It's also a life affirmation.

 

 

cr: as tagged

 

I'm still a miserable defeated soldier. I'm falling at a faster speed. But unlike last year, I didn't leave. And Heejoo is with me. - Jinwoo


The kiss scene was too beautiful for words. Jinwoo...from barely making it to having more than enough. 

It was a mutual surrender of entrusting their lives, safety and future to one another. It empowers them to make the impossibilty happen.

 

Compared to rain; the betrayals of the past, the fear of the unknown, the sense of loss as recounted, left Jinwoo utterly cold. Jinwoo wanted his situation to change after one year but didn't see anything happening. He was loosing the battle. Heejoo, his ever constant, this time, I'm glad Jinwoo chose to stay. He chose to trust and depend. He chose to accept and feel the warmth, strength and affirmation of Heejoo that all will be well. He chose to fight.The build up leading to the kiss and the after effect was indeed very much satisfying. :wub: 

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The new Ajusshi in town who can't help but enjoy teasing his girlfriend :P

 

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HJ got her JW. We got Hyun Binnie

 

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Frankly, this drama is slow love...

I am upset the Hee Joo doesnt have a bigger role, but I like her character.

She is steady and doesnt beat about the bush or take any richard simmons.

 

Hopefully, now that JW realises he has help, she will have more stuff to do.

 

And, the Product placement was well handled. Soompi doesnt seem to like MOA very much, barely any coverage.

 

Regardless, cant wait for next week. :tounge_wink:

 

2 hours ago, rori0711 said:

The new Ajusshi in town who can't help but enjoy teasing his girlfriend :P

 

ctto

 

Oh these dimples.

Rest now my heart!!!!

 

I didn't know I had a major thing for dimples until I saw Hyun Bin smile.

:wub::love:

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Please do not quote pics! Thanks! :)
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7 hours ago, imels said:

It means HJ and JW were in the same time frame which is in the evening.

Actually JW reached Seoul at the light of dawn, not at dusk... I also conclude that from the many cars (traffic jam) going into the city for the morning rush. So it made sense that it was evening in Granada, and morning in Seoul. It also explains why there are people in the office when he went there.

 

7 hours ago, imels said:

When JW drove her home Park who was still at the office called HJ phone (I think it was past midnight because dinner would take 1-2 hours or more included the drive). Park told him to leave the country because police would reinvestigated CHS case. in the same time Su jin came to meet prof Cha and they talked about reopen CHS dead case. But, Jw refused Park advice then he asked HJ to prove that she believed him and this ep end with the kissing scene that I believe had already way past midnight lol! The next mismatch time was when she came home and took a shower her phone said it was still 01.34 am! she took shower in the middle of the night wow couldn’t believe it, because it already cold in seoul those days (we can see from her outfits). 

Then HJ texted JW without any answer. She was stay awake until 2.58 am and went outside to look for JW who still waiting in his car. She invited him into her house and offer him to sleep in the workshop not-so-convinient couch. She couldn’t sleep and neither JW, they talked and she made him tea but MJ caught her inthe kitchen. How come a middle school girl still awake at that time, unless it was weekend.

They had their dinner in a non-fancy restaurant, almost like a fast-food, probably somewhere near his place too. So it wouldn't have taken 1-2 hours. After they finished, JW also said in the car that it's only been an hour he became her boyfriend when HJ said she would take back asking him to be her boyfriend. The call from Park was on their ride towards HJ's home from restaurant. It is not uncommon for executives to be still in their office late at night, even past midnight... HJ does need to take a shower because they were rained in when they kissed. She was all drenched as noticed by Grandma. About MJ being up, someone answered already above, she needed to go the bathroom. My question will more be like, there's no bathroom upstairs for such a nice house? :lol:

As for LSJ and Prof meeting, that could've been a flashback for something that happened earlier in the evening. Maybe after that meeting, LSJ then told Park about it, and so Park called JW after thinking about the consequences of re-investigating Cha's death. Because I am thinking how would Park have known? Would Prof be so kind in updating him about all his plans and moves? I think not, considering he knows how close Park is with JW.

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I don't mind this show but I really wish they would have spent time developing characters a bit more - there's been too much time spent on the gaming aspect for me and I feel like 5 minutes less per episode of them being in the game killing (constantly having those shots to show him levelling up just seems like a way to show off the effects) and instead developing some of the characters back stories better would have made the show much better (the last episode was the first one in a long time without too much)

 

There's 4 episodes left and we have no idea about his first marriage, his second marriage, what happened in the first one for it to end up like that, what were the guys like before they fell out, why did Hyung-seok blame Jin-woo when his dad kicked him out, why did he even get kicked out (have they given a definite reason?), did he start getting with his wife out of spite, how come she gave into it etc. And these are all questions about Jin-woo mainly who is the main character. His ex-wife going around now half-caring about Jin-woo and half thinking about herself/kid would make more sense if we knew anything about their relationship outside the fact they were married and she cheated.

 

Anyways I'm still enjoying it, just wish it would have taken a different approach

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I hate to propose this, but here's my theory:  I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with the game per se.  Rather, I think that playing the game does something to the player's minds such that it creates hallucinations.  I hate this theory, but I can totally see KDrama going this route.  It seems to me to be the only solution, such as why the Secretary died and the hospital suspects it was from a brain hemmorage.  Of course, it doesn't quite explain how Cha died with all the blood drained out of him.  Actually, that's the only thing that would not make sense with my theory.  Otherwise, I think that everything else would fit.  JW falling down the stairs caused his injuries and everything else since then are hallucinations.  His secretary (sob!!!) died from an aneurysm (from game overload to the senses).  As for Professor Cha, well, he's such a cantankerous old man that the first time logging in caused too much sensory overload.  Or, someone is helping JW (like the head programmer guy) and he created a special version so that deceased Cha would appear in front of Professor Cha.

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New BTS

 

 

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On 1/6/2019 at 7:02 AM, butterflysaga said:

Seju oh seju maybe he is not dissapear just having a bust schedule singing & dancing Love Shot w/ his pals in INKIGAYO.

 

haha I just saw this!! Love Shot promotions ended as fast as Seju's appearance in this drama (even faster) :lol:

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@jechoi1 Seeing how things went in W, I don't think the writer gonna make this drama as a just a hallucination. Something is going on with this game, and I don't remember who said it here, but maybe there's an alternative world? Two Worlds just like W?! But again, I don't see any hints about it so it could be wrong.

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