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@gladys57 Welcome to the "i love ahjussi" club! My current favourites are Jo Seung Woo (Secret Forest), Mu Han... does Gong Yoo count?! Isn't he an ahjussi too? (though he's too hot to be one)

 

Every episode is a cliff hanger. In this drama there are 4 elements. That's why the ratings get higher and higher, everyone is totally hooked:

 

- tragedy sad melo-drama: this plot is pushing forward every episode by Mu Han

- crazy quirky funny seduction romantic comedy: all encompassed by An Soon Jin because Kim Sun-A is such an amazing actress. Also, why so sexy?! Is this even allowed on national TV? 

- teenage "my first love" love story between chaebol girl, "so-poor-thing" but independent boy: I Deun and Mr. Long-Legs Barista

- "what happened?! ?!" past explanation + cliff hanger "We Can't Forget What We Cherished" short films at end of every ep

 

This drama is so original and off-tangent that I have given up on almost all other drama and counting down each week to this one. 

 

From my gut feeling, Mu Han is almost 99% not terminally ill. The scriptwriter is too high level for such a lame let-down plot explanation.

 

Did anyone notice that Mu Han went to visit someone's grave at the same time as An Soon Jin's ex-husband? Maybe his parent? He was also there on the day of the daughter's burial. That means An Soon Jin's daughter shares the same death anniversary as someone he knows? Could that be why they were "related"?

 

About An Soon Jin's mother, the daughter's death may be due to her babysitting and having some accident. 

 

Just some plausible guesses on my part.

 

I'm really loving the awkward intimate scenes! Reminds me of "Because This Is My First Life" I accidentally watched out of boredom and fell in love with too, just like this one. 

 

Let's count down to next week! 

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so finish this week episodes. I do like the quiet moment between the OTP like in the bus scene, or when they just lay beside each other in bed, or when they have a genuin conversation like in the bar. also the fact that MH have seen her in her worst state and also saved her from dead make me connect to the OTP.  does are the time i love this show more then seduction part. I have always loved an OTP when we see conversation between people that make them closer and just enjoying time together, so hope we see more of that!

But i wonder if SJ seducing him is a form of shield from her real feelings when it comes to romance. we know that she was very hurt from her last marriage and losing her child. so i like when she in the bus scene just lay her head on his shoulder listening to music. I like this side of her, and seems  like she starting to lower her guard around him. 

 

I come to warm up to MH daughter. behind her gruff attitude she is deeply hurt by her father seemly lack of interest in her. so i wonder why he push her away when he do want to connect to her (that scene where he cry when she leve in taxi). also seems like romance is building with that barista guy. witch move me to other stuff that we have yet to understand, like what happened to SJ daughter, why she have a police record. why she is in dept. what happened between MH and his ex-wife. why does he say that they cant fall in love with each other. so many question that make me come back to unfold them.  

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Anyone else fearing that MH might have something to do with death of SJ's daughter? 
Could explain him not wanting to be affectionate towards his own dauther, born the same year as SJ's daughter.

It could also explain him saying "I'm not allowed to love her" and wanting to help her and support her.

The guilt is to much for him?

 

On another note, love the OTP and the bus scene was perfect! (but I also have a weakness for bus and train scenes :D)

 

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I'm not sure when the law suit was, but it seems that Soon-Jin had a mental breakdown at sometime in the past. 

 

I don't know if the suicide attempt lead to the mental breakdown or not, but something happened that removed Mu-Han from her memory.

 

I consider the possibility that Mu-Han's family might be related to Soon-Jin's daughter's death, but I am reconsidering because

-Mu-Han seems to count seeing Soon-Jin mourning her daughter in the cemetery the first time he saw Soon-Jin.

-If there was a connection I wonder if it could be through his former father-in-law's business. We know his ff-i-l is wealthy and powerful.  I can see something like his f-i-l manufacturing a faulty car part that some how cause the death of Soon-Jin's daughter.  Perhaps Mu-han stood witness against Soon-Jin during the lawsuit she lost.  That would have made Kyung-Soo call him trash.

 

So much to love.

So much more to learn.

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KSA is constantly giving us goodies. :blush:

 

 

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To me, it doesn't seem that MH's family or in-laws are the cause of SJ's daughter's death. Although they probably had a role in his divorce and separation from YD. I also don't think he is suffering from a fatal disease. Because if cutting ties from his daughter completely is his idea of sparing her future pain, that's noble idiocy at the highest level. Besides, if that were the case, wouldn't his house be full of YD's photos?

 

The theory that MH's dad and SJ's daughter share the same death anniversary is plausible - but that scene 10 years ago is obviously at least autumn, which contradicts with MH saying his dad passed away in summer.

 

Some things we know:

  • SJ was last intimate with a man 10 years ago. Likely the day her daughter died. MH's celibate life began much later around 6 years ago, supposedly the time of his flight with SJ. I assume that was when his ex asked for a divorce.
  • 4 years ago they crossed path in front of the court. Possibly for finalisation of their divorces. By this time, KY should already have a daughter with JM.
  • KS's dad recently passed away due to illness. He was taken care of by SJ. In the earlier eps MR was saying something about SJ not wanting to hang out because she was still in mourning and SJ tried to sell something that looked like a hospital bed.
  • SJ committed crimes in 2008 and 2010 and was sentenced but released. The first one was only several months after her daughter's death. I think SJ was institutionalised. Because she told YD once that she has been crazy and has been declared incompetent. Maybe her mother made a statement in court that supports that decision and SJ had to to be locked up in a psychiatric facility - which affected her marriage to KS and gave opportunity to a KS/JM affair. So that is probably why SJ and her mom aren't on the best terms. While her father-in-law stayed with her maybe due to guilt.

I'm curious when did MH know SJ's name. I think he already knew her name before that flight, because he reacted after reading her name tag. He wasn't paying attention to her face before that and probably didn't know that the woman in the cemetery was a stewardess.

 

I still can't figure out why MH wants to cut off communication completely from YD. And I have no idea as to why he shouldn't/ is not allowed to fall in with SJ. Obviously SJ stole a place in his heart since many years ago.

 

As for SJ, I hope she will stop faking around MH because her insincerity is blocking her from developing genuine feelings.

 

 

 

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I don't think the funeral of Soon-Jin and Kyung-Soo's daughter was the death memorial for Mu-Han's father. If it was a real death memorial, they probably would have brought some food/drinks to set a table. Mu-Han's wife was simply there to give greetings to the father-in-law, to report that she was going to travel to the U.S. with Eden. I think that was their reason for being there.

 

I do think Mu-Han said that that day was the first time he saw Soon-Jin. My guess is that he is not involved with her daughter's death. If true, I feel like they wouldn't be as close as they are now. He'd be too guilt-ridden. I think there's another reason why he is setting boundaries.

 

And yes, I think Soon-Jin's mother was somehow involved. She told Kyung-Soo that she had "committed a sin" against him, and he replied that it wasn't her fault.

 

FYI, the first instagram photo says that Soon-Jin's father-in-law (Kyung-Soo's father) was her (their?) 7th grade homeroom teacher. So they have a lot of history together. Ji-Min may have known them back then, too.

 

As far as what her criminal record was about: my guess is that she was so devastated about Kyung-Soo getting Ji-Min pregnant that she tried to run someone (Ji-Min? Kyung-Soo?) down with a car or something, and someone pressed charges (Ji-Min's family?)

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14 hours ago, 122am said:

@gladys57 Welcome to the "i love ahjussi" club! My current favourites are Jo Seung Woo (Secret Forest), Mu Han... does Gong Yoo count?! Isn't he an ahjussi too? (though he's too hot to be one)

 

Every episode is a cliff hanger. In this drama there are 4 elements. That's why the ratings get higher and higher, everyone is totally hooked:

 

- tragedy sad melo-drama: this plot is pushing forward every episode by Mu Han

- crazy quirky funny seduction romantic comedy: all encompassed by An Soon Jin because Kim Sun-A is such an amazing actress. Also, why so sexy?! Is this even allowed on national TV? 

- teenage "my first love" love story between chaebol girl, "so-poor-thing" but independent boy: I Deun and Mr. Long-Legs Barista

- "what happened?! ?!" past explanation + cliff hanger "We Can't Forget What We Cherished" short films at end of every ep

 

This drama is so original and off-tangent that I have given up on almost all other drama and counting down each week to this one. 

 

From my gut feeling, Mu Han is almost 99% not terminally ill. The scriptwriter is too high level for such a lame let-down plot explanation.

 

Did anyone notice that Mu Han went to visit someone's grave at the same time as An Soon Jin's ex-husband? Maybe his parent? He was also there on the day of the daughter's burial. That means An Soon Jin's daughter shares the same death anniversary as someone he knows? Could that be why they were "related"?

 

About An Soon Jin's mother, the daughter's death may be due to her babysitting and having some accident. 

 

Just some plausible guesses on my part.

 

I'm really loving the awkward intimate scenes! Reminds me of "Because This Is My First Life" I accidentally watched out of boredom and fell in love with too, just like this one. 

 

Let's count down to next week! 

@122am I'm already in the " I love abjushi" club! I love him since I got captivated by his drama " My Spring Days" with SNSD's SooYoung. I even went to UDO island off Jeju just to reminisce that drama. Many of us ahjummas including young ones (even 21 year olds) call him "Mr Ahjuicy" because of his smoldering STARE and sexy voice! 

This drama will be better than My Spring Days of course.:blush:

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You guys are really good with all these ideas. I enjoyed reading them . I have not watched 'My Spring Days' as that topic of the drama is not to my liking but I love Kam Woo Sung now and am going to hunt down his dramas. I have seen 'Alone in Love' in discussions but was hesitant to watch it years ago when I came across it, the drama topic was upsetting. I even watched the MV on Youtube on that drama. Might check it out now.

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I was rewatching the series (again) and realised that SJ also talked about giving a kidney to the moneylender leach in spring during the plum blossoms. We all know MH heard that conversation. So is his offer for her to use him related to that? Is he trying to say she can have his kidney? :blink:

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I am loving all the guesses and ideas being shared here.  It's still early days so we won't get all our questions answered so quickly. With ex-wife and daughter back in Korea, MH is going to be busy juggling all 3 women in his life right now. From the preview, we saw MH defending SJ as the victim when ex-wife called her out as an ex-convict.

 

About 11 years ago when MH first set eyes on SJ, MH must have returned to the cemetery the next day and so on. What was it about SJ that captivated him that he was monitoring her movements, otherwise how did he know that she was crying on the 2nd day, 3rd day, 2nd year, 3rd year and so on?

 

1 hour ago, dzareth said:

I was rewatching the series (again) and realised that SJ also talked about giving a kidney to the moneylender leach in spring during the plum blossoms. We all know MH heard that conversation. So is his offer for her to use him related to that? Is he trying to say she can have his kidney? :blink:

MH did ask the moneylender to bring SJ's contract to his office so that he could pay off the $50,000 debt for SJ. I don't know if this has been done. In which case, there is no need for SJ to use one of her kidneys to pay her debt. MH is a thinker and he responds after long deliberation.  He needs time to consider the invitation to enjoy the cherry blossoms with SJ as in a sense it is a commitment to the future. He is sometimes `too difficult' a man to understand as to what he really meant by his words or his  silence to SJ's texts.

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9 hours ago, chickfactor said:

I don't think the funeral of Soon-Jin and Kyung-Soo's daughter was the death memorial for Mu-Han's father. If it was a real death memorial, they probably would have brought some food/drinks to set a table. Mu-Han's wife was simply there to give greetings to the father-in-law, to report that she was going to travel to the U.S. with Eden. I think that was their reason for being there.

 

 

@chickfactor

Thank you for sharing your opinion, it certainly sounds possible too. I hope it'll be revealed slowly during next week's episodes, I'm waiting for lovely and romantic days between ASJ and MH! 

 

Yes, I agree with many comments above that ASJ's legal woes are likely due to her reaction from finding out about her husband's affair. Regarding Ji Min, I believe she is a long-time colleague of ASJ, so ASJ cannot believe that her husband cheated on her with her co-worker. 

 

From the writing style and plot of the drama, I think the scriptwriter likes to lean towards believable coincidences and not unexpected, dramatic plot twists. So the information that will unfold is likely to be 'oh, that makes sense' and not so much 'wtf is wrong with the writing team' sentiment. 

 

Quick question: I find the song played on the bus in the Discman so familiar. It must have been used in other dramas before. Does anyone know the singer and / or the song name? I shall research it on YouTube. 

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3 hours ago, 122am said:

Quick question: I find the song played on the bus in the Discman so familiar. It must have been used in other dramas before. Does anyone know the singer and / or the song name? I shall research it on YouTube. 

 

It sounds like Kim Dong Ryul's voice, but no idea about the song though.

 

Found it:

 

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I actually wanted to mention that the song used for the BUS SCENE is called "Etude of Memory" a Korean CLASSIC which has been covered by many singers. :D

 

This song is very appropriately used for the BUS SCENE which is pure gold to me.:tongue:

 

KWS's recitation of that " trying to help SJ to sleep verse" with his calm and sexy voice is very soothing and theurapatic and be an instant cure for many insomiacs! :blush:

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1 hour ago, gladys57 said:

 

I actually wanted to mention that the song used for the BUS SCENE is called "Etude of Memory" a Korean CLASSIC which has been covered by many singers. :D

 

 

@ziarama @gladys57 Thank you! I've saved this song in my Spotify playlist, no wonder it sounds familiar - it was used in Architecture 101 too. Young male lead (Lee Je Hoon) and young female lead (Suzy) were also listening to a Discman.

 

 

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8 hours ago, ziarama said:

 

It sounds like Kim Dong Ryul's voice, but no idea about the song though.

 

Found it: ["Etude of Memory"]

 

Many thanks for identifying the song playing on the Discman. I vaguely recognized it. It was used in ARCHITECTURE 101. That explains it. ;-)

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On 3/7/2018 at 12:08 PM, 122am said:

Did anyone notice that Mu Han went to visit someone's grave at the same time as An Soon Jin's ex-husband? Maybe his parent? He was also there on the day of the daughter's burial. That means An Soon Jin's daughter shares the same death anniversary as someone he knows? Could that be why they were "related"?

 

About An Soon Jin's mother, the daughter's death may be due to her babysitting and having some accident.

I was under the impression that Kyung-soo intended to confront Mu-han after he left the hospital and unwittingly followed him to the graveyard where his own daughter was buried. He had enough common decency to refrain from attacking his rival on hallowed ground. When he realized where he was, he visited his child's grave while Mu-han visited his father's. The inscription on her headstone says something about visiting her every day, but one look at the layer of dust on it shows that no one has been there in a spell.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if grandma were negligent in her granddaughter's death. But at this point I think that her apology to her former son-in-law refers to something else.

 

I did a double-take when Ki Do-hoon appeared as barista Yeo Ha-Min. He was always silently appearing out of nowhere as Crown Prince Won's bodyguard in THE KING IN LOVE. Now he's slinging the joe in a coffeeshop. LOL!

 

@ross27 I'm so glad to see an old friend from THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SU BAEK HYANG forum! By any chance are you tuning in to GRAND PRINCE, too? ;-)

 

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18 hours ago, hyall said:

You guys are really good with all these ideas. I enjoyed reading them . I have not watched 'My Spring Days' as that topic of the drama is not to my liking but I love Kam Woo Sung now and am going to hunt down his dramas. I have seen 'Alone in Love' in discussions but was hesitant to watch it years ago when I came across it, the drama topic was upsetting. I even watched the MV on Youtube on that drama. Might check it out now.

ALONE IN LOVE is one of my favorite Kdramas, in no small part because of its quiet realism. You have to be very patient as the story takes its time unfolding. But if you persevere, it is worth the wait. In some ways, KWS's character in that show reminds me a bit of Mu-han. Dang, now that I think of it, he played a man whose child was stillborn, and his wife couldn't get over it. Even after they divorced, they were still very involved in each other's lives, but in a good way. Not the way Kyung-soo is a buttinsky in Soon-jin's business.

 

You might want to check out the film MARRIAGE IS A CRAZY THING. It puts an interesting twist on the old "other woman" trope.

 

The production that put Kam Woo-sung on my radar was THE KING AND THE CLOWN. An epic performance in an epic movie.

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One minor mystery to me is, if MU paid SJ debt, why did the repo man take her stuff?

 

I did have the impression that there were several creditors.  One who would take possession of her stuff in the apartment and another who wanted her organs.

 

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On 6.3.2018 at 4:15 PM, dzareth said:

Omg.... That track from jaws is killing me!!:D

 

ROFLMAO! Brilliant! I can't wait for spoiled brat Eden / Yi-deun to meet the real great white shark. Oh,  right, she already has. And ended up in the drink. All I can think is that the brat's trashing of Soon-jin's home is karmic payback for her earlier behavior. Even so, this kid's obnoxious sense of entitlement really ruffles my tail feathers.

 

When I learned that Mu-han was reading to Soon-jin from the novel Our Souls at Night, I immediately looked it up, and found that it had been made into a film by Netflix. I watched it, and can see how it parallels this drama. Mu-han's vibe is very similar to that of Louis Waters, although in some ways Soon-jin is much more of a live wire than Addie Moore. Addie's son, Gene, is no prize. But her grandson, Jamie, is cute as a button. (My hat is off to Iain Armitage of YOUNG SHELDON, who steals the show.)

 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Mu-han and Soon-jin end up in happier circumstances than their counterparts in the novel. Thank goodness Louis thought of another way to "reach out and touch someone" when Addie moved away.

 

Maybe at some point Mu-han will find it within himself to read to Soon-jin from his book Alien on Earth. (For some reason, I instantly flashed on Han-gyul's "I don't care if you're a man or an alien" speech in COFFEE PRINCE when I learned the title of his book. LOL!) I'm curious about the title, and what he means by it. It occurs to me that he might have been reluctant for her to read it because it might reveal too much about him -- or maybe he has changed since he wrote it, and it is no longer representative of how he thinks or feels.

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