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22 hours ago, fauna said:

Not only does he understand her, he absolved her of all her guilt. He set her spirit free. 

 

On 3.6.2018 at 8:38 AM, justamom said:

 

I actually feel that Dong Hoon's confession was deeper and more heartfelt than Ji An's, even though she was more direct.

 

What DH said:

I feel what you feel. If you hurt because of me, my heart hurts so much

When you know (love) someone, whatever he does doesn't matter. And I know you.

And all the other longing looks, shy glances, and passionate outbursts...

 

What JA said:

I like you

Do you even understand what it means to like someone?

I don't want to be a fool hanging aorund here looking for you

 

What DH is indirectly saying : When you breath I breath, when you are happy I am happy, what you feel I feel too. You are inside me, the other half of me.

 

What Ji An says: I like you. To me, that means she cares for him, is fond of him, and wants to stay by his side.

 

Like I said earlier though, the turning point for me was the slippers.

 

@ccl82 what instagram account did you contact? I haven't messaged them yet but will do so later!

 

I have a couple of really cool things to share from DC Inside, here's the first:

 

Why are you going so far?

http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=mymister&no=54512&page=1

 

"This for me was Dong Hoon's confession. What he's really saying: why are you going so far = Don't go so far = stay near me"

 

Really loved this one as well from DC Inside, but I can't figure out how to copy and paste the gifs:

 

http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=mymister&no=54517&page=3

 

Flustered Dong Hoon

Shy Dong Hoon

Embarassed Dong Hoon

He has the one same reaction: he can't bring himself to meet her eyes...

 

 

Just wanted to highlight sentences that really spoke to me. Im not very good at highlighting more than one though. Anyways, thanks everyone for the insights ( @justamom @fauna). I know Jian really like DH. There’s love between them, that’s definite. Although sometimes you just need affirmation and confirmation that others are thinking the same thing you are thinking. Gosh this drama!! 

 

Referring from Oh Nara’s interview, such a shame how that controversy affected them but maybe in the end it also helped them work harder. As she said, they had to prove the story isn’t what others think it is. If they hadn’t had the controversy before, there probably wouldn’t be this driving force for them to do more and execute in each scene emotions so palpable. In the end, what others were trying to undermine, they put a good light on it instead and that’s part of what made the drama what it is. 

 

As for Jiseok boarding school abroad, youd be surprised that it’s actually quite a common thing. I have a friend that did the same thing. She came here in middle school so I was quite surprised that such thing actually exists. I mean, they’re so young! But it does happen. 

 

I feel like this is becoming such a lengthy post but hey, there’s so many things to unravel in this drama.

 

IU’s Dear Moon. It was one of the least favourite soundtrack for me personally (though I really loved it when it was played showing JiAn’s grandma watching the moon). After finding out about the lyrics however, I fell in love with what it’s saying. I definitely think that it speaks about DH too as much as it speaks about Grandma’s love for the moon in a literal level. The imagery IU used, it just tugs at your heart whenever you think of the drama. 

One of my favourite parts of the dramas (Ive got loads), is when she told Yoon Hee she’s envious of her. Not jealous, but envious. I mean that spoke volumes. It was like she was trying to say so much in that one sentence. It’s like saying, I wish I was in your place instead.

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Ok I am rewatching the episodes and saw that in the beginning of ep 14 , the slipper that lj gave had black band. By end , when he became the director the slipper that he wore in his office had brown band. Are they supposed to be the same one that jian gave ? Am inseeing things ?? 

I know if he is actually wearing the slipper given by jian than that itself means a huge confession !! Can anybody help clear my doubt ... I am shipper and this one scenes is suppose to keep the ship afloat !!!

 

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1 hour ago, t123han said:

Ok I am rewatching the episodes and saw that in the beginning of ep 14 , the slipper that lj gave had black band. By end , when he became the director the slipper that he wore in his office had brown band. Are they supposed to be the same one that jian gave ? Am inseeing things ?? 

I know if he is actually wearing the slipper given by jian than that itself means a huge confession !! Can anybody help clear my doubt ... I am shipper and this one scenes is suppose to keep the ship afloat !!!

 

Lol maybe he overused the slipper ji an gave him hence the new slipper.  :lol:

 

9 hours ago, berny said:

First, you feel this unspeakable attraction towards the person in front of you and you’re drawn to that person like a moth to flame. You surrender. And start interacting, talking and, from the first words, you feel like there was something meant to be. Things usually evolve very fast and, before you even realize what’s happening to you, you wake up one morning with an obsessive, compulsive and oh, so incredibly beautiful and intense relationship. You feel the depth of what’s lying in front of you and, scared, you try to run....but alas, it’s not possible. It really isn’t. You’re stuck.

 

9 hours ago, berny said:

And so i have been reading some random blogs about couple relationships... to past away the time.
Some have happy stories, some not... some mind-boggling.

But one couple "profile" who both partners have a hard time letting go (when they were breaking up) left me stunned...Hahhha

because strangely, it seems to remind me of the DH-JA dynamics..

 

 

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Profile of A & B

YOU HAVE THE MOST  INTENSE ,LIFE CHANGING RELATIONSHIP 

 

Clearly what you have is karmic, the most life changing relationship that you will experience, and this  kind of relationship, even if not brought to a physical level, will leave a mark on you for the rest of your life.

From intense desire, obsession, acting completely out of the norm, something is triggered by each of you and  you  are never the same again.
The bond is felt like something beyond your control, and, especially in the beginning of the relationship, this might be frightening.

First, you feel this unspeakable attraction towards the person in front of you and you’re drawn to that person like a moth to flame. You surrender. And start interacting, talking and, from the first words, you feel like there was something meant to be. Things usually evolve very fast and, before you even realize what’s happening to you, you wake up one morning with an obsessive, compulsive and oh, so incredibly beautiful and intense relationship. You feel the depth of what’s lying in front of you and, scared, you try to run....but alas, it’s not possible. It really isn’t. You’re stuck.

 

With growing awareness... there’s a feeling of intensity in the air  bringing intense feelings and issues right up to the surface but not quite through it. There’s a lot of unconscious behavior...  you feel and sense this  but can’t articulate it, much less direct or utilize it. 

 

Still you were not able to resist...cannot resist...for your connection cannot be avoided. It was meant to be lived, consumed down to your last living cell.  The need to be with one another is simply irrepressible.

 

Your innermost psyche is going to be laid bare... all secrets and the subconscious will be pried open.  Like how the most hidden feelings and obsessions could be coming to light for the very first time.  Like you never thought you are capable of feeling.

 

Usually when these kind of relationships end, it might be very hard for you to be just friends, and sometimes these relationships ten years down the line can still bond the two of you and just the thought of that relationship can trigger an emotional response so intensely.


A helps B change , like a powerful transformation. A have triggered buttons in B he may have never thought were there and purge out things that have been hiding deep inside him.

 

The arguments in these kind of relationships can make one literally feel like they will die or breakdown is the relationship should end. It is as if they cannot live without the other person. One can get so fearful that one argument can be the end of the relationship.


This strong emotional reaction can be new, this can really happen to anyone, even to the calmest and to the sweetest....explosions galore like a volcano can happen over and over again to the person who is being triggered and transformed.

 

Even the nicest of people, all of a sudden can display the most aggravated and frustrated emotions from this awakening when their buttons are pushed by their partner. They can go their entire life not reacting that way in relationships, but then someone with a powerful connection to them comes along and literally reveals like a mirror the shadow self of the other person, the side that we keep hidden!  Dark energies that need to be transformed, things we bury and suppress. We deny our dark side our desires, and this person comes along and pow! 
The energies aroused are almost uncontainable.

(hahhhahaha...whatever :tongue:

 

A brings it out in B and force him to deal with it.  It can be a painful process but these relationships can be very healing for both.

This can work if the other person is ready to recognise their weaknesses and work on them. 
A relationship that cannot be taken lightly, and the passion and union will be very hard to forget.

 

 

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Oh wow... so who pushes the button of whom... hahhaa
Well they both definitely pushed my buttons...:tongue:

Really loved the post. Thank you! Made me feel like it's the description of everything unsaid between ji an and dong hoon lol. It was really the point of no return for her, the more she got trapped by the wiretap.

@justamom I would have continued with pretty noona maybe if the director stopped using 'stand by your man'. I mean it's played every 2 seconds, which gets pretty tiresome at some point. Whether they laugh or cry or go bonkers it's always stand by your man. Huff. :/

Anyway it's really really hard to go back to conventional kdramas from MM. The mood really gets you and then you want to keep feeling the same way lol. I remember back during my book reading days, whenever I finished any of my favorite author's books, I would go on to her next book, since there would be at least some of the old flavor, and the same undertone left there. But with dramas you can't do the same. :'(

I also want to say something about the use of lights in the drama. From personal experience, I have this tendency of using darker lights, sodium light in my room whenever I feel down or need to declutter my mind. So coming back to the drama, Ji An's room was always dimly lit, sometimes we wouldn't even see anyone sitting there, most of the time light was only on her face or the bedside table. So I guess part of the reason for no light is also because in all those times she wanted a hideaway, to not face the reality, to keep living in those sad moments. Kind of the same goes for dong hoon, and yoon hee as well. There is barely any bright light in their home. In fact for their interior, it's more chilling with almost greenlights, which are more disturbing, and makes me remember some of the horror movies like Saw. So again I would say a lot of thoughts went behind each and every detail, kudos to the art direction team and the creative director. 

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1 hour ago, t123han said:

Ok I am rewatching the episodes and saw that in the beginning of ep 14 , the slipper that lj gave had black band. By end , when he became the director the slipper that he wore in his office had brown band. Are they supposed to be the same one that jian gave ? Am inseeing things ?? 

I know if he is actually wearing the slipper given by jian than that itself means a huge confession !! Can anybody help clear my doubt ... I am shipper and this one scenes is suppose to keep the ship afloat !!!

 

They weren’t black they were the brown ones. If you have a look again you’ll see it. It’s more like the lighting was weird. 

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@berny  that was a very insightful post about relationships.  Like @nearsea I really thought it described exactly the kind of relationship that Dong Hoon and Ji An have.  No matter what happens from here on, even if they have relationships with other people, they will always be a part of each other.  However, their connection is so intense that it’s very difficult to imagine them being with anyone else as whoever they may get involved with other than each other might suffer in comparison.  And in the process, they may end up fracturing their souls because they will always look for their “other”.  

 

Look at Dong Hoon.  His marriage suffered because, try as he might, he could never truly connect with Yoon Hee and she knew that.  That’s why she felt very lonely and isolated even when she was with him.  In one episode, she was telling Joon Young about how Dong Hoon always seemed lonely, as if he had lost something. Now we know that it’s not that he had lost something then.  It’s just that his soul was trying to find its other half and it wasn’t his wife.  

 

@nearsea nice to know that I’m not alone in that feeling of wanting to read other works of an author after you’ve completed one very good work he or she has written.  I do that too. But you’re right in that we can’t do the same with a drama. It’ll never be the same.

 

I myself want to check out past works of LSK but I know that, no matter how much I may like them, his Park Dong Hoon will always be his best character for me and I will always go back to MA for it.:)

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18 hours ago, mushroomsoupie said:

 

At first i thought it was just a plot device, but this situation actually happens a lot in SK.

 

"Such relocations, known as early study abroad, have surged in popularity in South Korea, where a rigid, test-driven education system, combined with intense social pressure to succeed in an English-first global economy, often means breaking up families for the sake of school.

 

Unlike American students who usually wait until high school or college to study abroad -- and generally limit the experience to a semester or two -- 77 percent of Korean students in the U.S. in 2009 were in elementary or middle school, a time when they are seen as best able to learn English."

 

you can read more here http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/04/01/in_south_korea_us_education_means_split_families/

 

I feel like the one that pushes their son to study abroad the most is Yoon Hee, as we could see in the series that she's portrayed as ambitious and career-driven. 

Interesting because the American / Korean Chloe Kim studied in Switzerland when she was also very young and learned to speak French fluently   - quoting article in USA Today "Kim moved to Switzerland, where one of her aunts lives, in third and fourth grade, with Jong Jin and Boran, her mother, alternating trips to visit her."   It is really viewed as a tremendous opportunity for kids to learn about another language and culture. 

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So they replied! The My Mister Director Cut's team. Here's their message in full, in Korean:

 

안녕하세요 나저씨 감독판 추진팀 입니다. 문의해주신 답변을 해드리자면

 

1. 자막같은 경우에는 아직 확실하게 정해진 바가 없습니다. 하지만 해외수량이 어느정도 채워진다면 저희쪽에서 영자막에 대해 문의는 할수잇을 것 같습니다.

 

2. 저희가 알아보고 다시 알려드리도록 하겟습니다 죄송합니다

 

3. 전회대본집같은 경우에도 마찬가지로 확정된 사항이 없습니다.

 

하지만 저희쪽에서도 특전 중에서도 전회대본집을 가장 원하고 있기 때문에 받을 수 있도록 할 것입니다. 하지만 이 모든 것이 이루어지려면 수량 채우는 것이 제일 중요합니다. 목표수량이 채워지지않으면 요구할 수 잇는 것들도 점차 줄어들게 됩니다. 앞으로도 많은 참여와 홍보 부탁드립니다. 감사합니다

 

Translation, and my questions below:

 

I told them I'm representing fans from Soompi's My Ahjussi forum, and there are more than 10 of us interested if there will be subtitles.

 

1) Have the subtitles been confirmed?

No, nothing has been confirmed. If there is enough overseas demand, from our end we can start looking into providing English subtitles.

 

2) Will the Blu Ray be play-able across all regions?

I'm so sorry, please let me get back to you on this?

 

3) Will the scripts be provided?

At this point it hasn't been confirmed. But we understand (from all the feedback) that amongst all the specials this is the one most in demand.

 

To fulfill all these requests, the most important thing is to have sufficient numbers! If we can't hit our target numbers we can only request less and less things...So if I may kindly request, please participate and get the word out to more people! Thank you very much! (bowing emoticon)

 

to be continued...

 

@mylovelystar you might want to share this with IU fans?

 

P.S. I'm going to ask him/her to pass a message to the PD team about how much we loved the show, and that we have fans from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Russia, the US, Kenya! Anyone else? Let me know!

 

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32 minutes ago, justamom said:

So they replied! The My Mister Director Cut's team. Here's their message in full, in Korean:

 

안녕하세요 나저씨 감독판 추진팀 입니다. 문의해주신 답변을 해드리자면

 

1. 자막같은 경우에는 아직 확실하게 정해진 바가 없습니다. 하지만 해외수량이 어느정도 채워진다면 저희쪽에서 영자막에 대해 문의는 할수잇을 것 같습니다.

 

2. 저희가 알아보고 다시 알려드리도록 하겟습니다 죄송합니다

 

3. 전회대본집같은 경우에도 마찬가지로 확정된 사항이 없습니다.

 

하지만 저희쪽에서도 특전 중에서도 전회대본집을 가장 원하고 있기 때문에 받을 수 있도록 할 것입니다. 하지만 이 모든 것이 이루어지려면 수량 채우는 것이 제일 중요합니다. 목표수량이 채워지지않으면 요구할 수 잇는 것들도 점차 줄어들게 됩니다. 앞으로도 많은 참여와 홍보 부탁드립니다. 감사합니다

 

Translation, and my questions below:

 

I told them I'm representing fans from Soompi's My Ahjussi forum, and there are more than 10 of us interested if there will be subtitles.

 

1) Have the subtitles been confirmed?

No, nothing has been confirmed. If there is enough overseas demand, from our end we can start looking into providing English subtitles.

 

2) Will the Blu Ray be play-able across all regions?

I'm so sorry, please let me get back to you on this?

 

3) Will the scripts be provided?

At this point it hasn't been confirmed. But we understand (from all the feedback) that amongst all the specials this is the one most in demand.

 

To fulfill all these requests, the most important thing is to have sufficient numbers! If we can't hit our target numbers we can only request less and less things...So if I may kindly request, please participate and get the word out to more people! Thank you very much! (bowing emoticon)

 

to be continued...

 

@mylovelystar you might want to share this with IU fans?

 

P.S. I'm going to ask him/her to pass a message to the PD team about how much we loved the show, and that we have fans from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Russia, the US, Kenya! Anyone else? Let me know!

 

 

Thank you @justamom There are also many fans from the Spanish speaking countries (judging from comments on Dramafever and Instagram), China, and Taiwan.  

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5 minutes ago, sadiesmith said:

Thank you @justamom There are also many fans from the Spanish speaking countries (judging from comments on Dramafever and Instagram), China, and Taiwan.  

 

I'm sure they know a lot about the Chinese market. I'm talking about us here on Soompi  :D

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38 minutes ago, justamom said:

So they replied! The My Mister Director Cut's team. Here's their message in full, in Korean:

 

안녕하세요 나저씨 감독판 추진팀 입니다. 문의해주신 답변을 해드리자면

 

1. 자막같은 경우에는 아직 확실하게 정해진 바가 없습니다. 하지만 해외수량이 어느정도 채워진다면 저희쪽에서 영자막에 대해 문의는 할수잇을 것 같습니다.

 

2. 저희가 알아보고 다시 알려드리도록 하겟습니다 죄송합니다

 

3. 전회대본집같은 경우에도 마찬가지로 확정된 사항이 없습니다.

 

하지만 저희쪽에서도 특전 중에서도 전회대본집을 가장 원하고 있기 때문에 받을 수 있도록 할 것입니다. 하지만 이 모든 것이 이루어지려면 수량 채우는 것이 제일 중요합니다. 목표수량이 채워지지않으면 요구할 수 잇는 것들도 점차 줄어들게 됩니다. 앞으로도 많은 참여와 홍보 부탁드립니다. 감사합니다

 

Translation, and my questions below:

 

I told them I'm representing fans from Soompi's My Ahjussi forum, and there are more than 10 of us interested if there will be subtitles.

 

1) Have the subtitles been confirmed?

No, nothing has been confirmed. If there is enough overseas demand, from our end we can start looking into providing English subtitles.

 

2) Will the Blu Ray be play-able across all regions?

I'm so sorry, please let me get back to you on this?

 

3) Will the scripts be provided?

At this point it hasn't been confirmed. But we understand (from all the feedback) that amongst all the specials this is the one most in demand.

 

To fulfill all these requests, the most important thing is to have sufficient numbers! If we can't hit our target numbers we can only request less and less things...So if I may kindly request, please participate and get the word out to more people! Thank you very much! (bowing emoticon)

 

to be continued...

 

@mylovelystar you might want to share this with IU fans?

 

P.S. I'm going to ask him/her to pass a message to the PD team about how much we loved the show, and that we have fans from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Russia, the US, Kenya! Anyone else? Let me know!

 

 

Thanks so much! 

 

I actually DMed My Mister Director Cut's team on twitter but they didn't reply thus far.  I'm glad they replied to you and will definitely share this with the IU fans I know.

 

@Joseph Lim please help too, thanks!

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Thank you @justamom  we have many fans in Canada as well. I am definitely interested in the Blu day as well if they have English subtitles. 

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@justamom thanks so much for asking them.  If you could kindly tell them that MA has numerous English-speaking fans as well.  I’m trying to find the link where we can log our interest for an international edition of the bluray dvd but I can’t seem to find it.  :)

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Apparently there's an $8 voucher, only available until tomorrow. Ahhh...I'm not ready to decide yet! It's a lot of money!!

 

And shipping will be another US$25!

 

I asked DC Inside folks and they said Directors Cuts of popular dramas they bought in the past all come with English subtitles, so they think if enough of us order subtitles will probably be included.

 

@akhenaten link is here. Unfortunately I think you have to pay immediately

https://global.yes24.com/Goods/61190049

 

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1 minute ago, justamom said:

Apparently there's an $8 voucher, only available until today. Ahhh...I'm not ready to decide yet! It's a lot of money!!

 

And shipping will be another US$25!

 

I asked DC Inside folks and they said Directors Cuts of popular dramas they bought in the past all come with English subtitles, so they think if enough of us order subtitles will probably be included.

 

 

@justamom  did those Director’s Cuts also have english translations in their leaflets, photobooks, etc? 

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2 hours ago, justamom said:

So they replied! The My Mister Director Cut's team. Here's their message in full, in Korean:

 

안녕하세요 나저씨 감독판 추진팀 입니다. 문의해주신 답변을 해드리자면

 

1. 자막같은 경우에는 아직 확실하게 정해진 바가 없습니다. 하지만 해외수량이 어느정도 채워진다면 저희쪽에서 영자막에 대해 문의는 할수잇을 것 같습니다.

 

2. 저희가 알아보고 다시 알려드리도록 하겟습니다 죄송합니다

 

3. 전회대본집같은 경우에도 마찬가지로 확정된 사항이 없습니다.

 

하지만 저희쪽에서도 특전 중에서도 전회대본집을 가장 원하고 있기 때문에 받을 수 있도록 할 것입니다. 하지만 이 모든 것이 이루어지려면 수량 채우는 것이 제일 중요합니다. 목표수량이 채워지지않으면 요구할 수 잇는 것들도 점차 줄어들게 됩니다. 앞으로도 많은 참여와 홍보 부탁드립니다. 감사합니다

 

Translation, and my questions below:

 

I told them I'm representing fans from Soompi's My Ahjussi forum, and there are more than 10 of us interested if there will be subtitles.

 

1) Have the subtitles been confirmed?

No, nothing has been confirmed. If there is enough overseas demand, from our end we can start looking into providing English subtitles.

 

2) Will the Blu Ray be play-able across all regions?

I'm so sorry, please let me get back to you on this?

 

3) Will the scripts be provided?

At this point it hasn't been confirmed. But we understand (from all the feedback) that amongst all the specials this is the one most in demand.

 

To fulfill all these requests, the most important thing is to have sufficient numbers! If we can't hit our target numbers we can only request less and less things...So if I may kindly request, please participate and get the word out to more people! Thank you very much! (bowing emoticon)

 

to be continued...

 

@mylovelystar you might want to share this with IU fans?

 

P.S. I'm going to ask him/her to pass a message to the PD team about how much we loved the show, and that we have fans from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Russia, the US, Kenya! Anyone else? Let me know!

 

 

Here's their follow-up reply. I sent them our love (yes, included Canada @heilam :wink:) and asked how many orders they need from overseas.

 

2번에 대한 답변입니다.
블루레이는 A, DVD는 3입니다.
블루레이는 북미, 일본, 한국에 해당 코드에 들어가고
DVD는 한국, 동남아(중국, 일본 제외)입니다.

 

해외최소수량은 300으로 생각하고 잇습니다만 더 많으면 좋겟지요!!
관심과 사랑 주셔서 감사드립니다!!

 

About your second question.

The Blue Ray is A, the DVD code is 3.

The Blue Ray will have codes for North America, Japan and Korea.

The DVD will have codes for South Korea and Southeast Asia (excluding Japan and China)

 

We need at least 300 orders from overseas but the more the better!

Thank you for sending us your love and regards!

 

Uh....does anyone here know a thing about DVD/blue ray codes? What does all that mean? @tiger457_stv ??

 

So....are there at least 300 crazy Ahjussi fans overseas??

 

 

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29 minutes ago, justamom said:

 

Here's their follow-up reply. I sent them our love (yes, included Canada @heilam :wink:) and asked how many orders they need from overseas.

 

2번에 대한 답변입니다.
블루레이는 A, DVD는 3입니다.
블루레이는 북미, 일본, 한국에 해당 코드에 들어가고
DVD는 한국, 동남아(중국, 일본 제외)입니다.

 

해외최소수량은 300으로 생각하고 잇습니다만 더 많으면 좋겟지요!!
관심과 사랑 주셔서 감사드립니다!!

 

About your second question.

The Blue Ray is A, the DVD code is 3.

The Blue Ray will have codes for North America, Japan and Korea.

The DVD will have codes for South Korea and Southeast Asia (excluding Japan and China)

 

We need at least 300 orders from overseas but the more the better!

Thank you for sending us your love and regards!

 

Uh....does anyone here know a thing about DVD/blue ray codes? What does all that mean? @tiger457_stv ??

 

So....are there at least 300 crazy Ahjussi fans overseas??

 

 

 

Yes! One “crazy b***h here...who wants the DVD in english. :D

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On 6/3/2018 at 8:59 PM, chickfactor said:

One thing that is implicit, but never explicitly mentioned is about the brothers' father. They mention him twice (that I recall). DH talks about him in Ep.1 when he is laughing in the office about the biggest thing that they've killed (after Ji-An kills the ladybug), and he says that the three brothers held down a pig as his father chopped its head off.

 

The next time he talks about this is that his father would tell him, "It doesn't matter" to comfort him, but that no one is there to tell him that now.

 

So my point is that their father has probably passed away, and has left behind a huge void, but they never speak of it explicitly.

 

This is probably why the three brothers are so close, and why DH is unwilling to move away from their mother.

 

In Korea (as in many other societies, I'm sure), the "head of the household" role is a really big deal, and it is their duty to do whatever it takes to protect their family.

 

This is partly why Sang-Hoon is so down on himself. After their father's death, he is the de facto "head" of this household, but he failed at this when he was laid off, and when the two businesses he opened with his severance pay failed, too.

 

This is why he *needs* DH to keep his job at a "big company." He knows what it's like to try and open your own business and fail (twice), so it scares him, and at least one of the brothers needs to have that stability to protect their mother. Although it seems unfair that he is telling DH that he has to remain at a job that's making him miserable, it is the "head of the household's" DUTY to try and think of what is best for the family.

 

I also see Sang-Hoon fulfilling this role when he counsels DH to try and stay with his wife, and even apologizes to YH. First, it's better in terms of social order that a marriage stay intact if possible, especially in Korea where the social stigma of divorce is still quite strong. He's obviously not going to force them to stay together if they want to divorce, but it's his actual job to at least pay lip service to the idea that they should work it out, if possible.

 

Also, Sang-Hoon is taking the responsibility upon himself. He is saying that YH cheated because HE failed at his role at being a proper "head of household" so he doesn't blame YH for straying from their marriage - i.e., he doesn't blame YH for being dissatisfied with THE FAMILY and looking elsewhere, because he failed to protect it.

 

So I don't blame SH. He comes off as a silly person, but he actually feels the great responsibility on his shoulders of being the "head" of this family, and I can see that.

 

In contrast, Ki-Hoon is the "maknae," so he gets to pursue his artistic dreams and apparently be quite self-indulgent about it. He also doesn't have a wife or child, so he's able to refuse a job and punch people in the face because they don't like his script.

 

Sang-Hoon never had the luxury to be that way because he became responsible for his family the moment their father died. So I will cut him some slack here.

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Edited to add: more on this theme of Sang-Hoon is the "head of household" - that he helped Ji-An's grandmother have a grand funeral is exactly the sort of thing that a head of household would do... for his family member.

 

He's a goofball, but he steps up when it counts.

 

Sorry for cutting your post short, but @chickfactor, I really love your spot-on analysis of Sang Hoon.  A viewer who only watches casually might see only the childish behaviors and dismiss him as a comedic, annoying sidekick that adds nothing meaningful to the big picture.  I have seen more than enough comments to that effect.  But if anyone is willing to go deeper, they'd see a panicky desperation behind the happy-go-lucky outward appearance like you spelled out.  And when it comes to Dong Hoon, he really is as perceptive as Ki Hoon.

 

In fact, at times the brothers' dynamic tugs at my heart even more than the OTP relationship.  The father is mentioned only twice, but I can already imagine what a loss it was when he passed, especially for Dong Hoon.  He seems to have the closest relationship with their father.  The father probably knew that DH was a super sensitive child, and in an effort to harden him up, I think the father taught him things like slaughtering pigs.  Remember Dong Hoon's words about that act?  That anyone could kill anything if he doesn't feel anything for it?  Someone can probably find a deeper meaning in those words, but I do wonder if the dad was really successful in that training because for all I can see, Dong Hoon is still very much a compassionate person to all creatures. 

 

Another evidence for Dong Hoon having the closest relationship to their dad: his life mantra of "it's not a big deal".  Throughout the drama DH is the only brother who ever says that (am I right?), the first time being in episode 4 when Ki Hoon was raging over Sang Hoon's humiliation at the feet of the villa owner.  And when the brothers get together in that room to cry over Yoon Hee's betrayal, Dong Hoon says that after their dad passed away, no one was around to comfort him with those words anymore, so he was left alone to tell himself those words over and over.  I just find myself getting very emotional over this particular line of his. His brothers obviously knew that this was the way their dad comforted Dong Hoon, yet for whatever reason the words did not have the same effect on them, so they did not think to use them to comfort their suffering brother. There is so much sadness and loneliness, and LSK's delivery is so raw and heartbreaking, and my guts get punched every time.  I am amazed that even a non-character like the father could move me so much.  

 

Edited to add: Does the Korean "it doesn't matter" phrase have the same kind of meaning as "this, too, shall pass?"

 

Here's a BTS from early on to remind us how cute they all are:

 

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On 6/4/2018 at 1:14 AM, kerfuffle_95 said:

I was watching episode 8, the part where they were celebrating the mother’s birthday, and I found the brief video call with Ji-Seok insightful.

 

Below is an excerpt of family’s convo with Ji-Seok (after he greets his grandma, said Hi to his mom, and asked his dad about the homework)

 

Ji-Seok (to Sang-Hoon): Uncle! Don’t be too lonely. I’m sure you’ll find a good woman.

(he soon finds out the aunt is there and so he said sorry)

DH: I heard that you have a girlfriend. Do you like her a lot?

JS: Of course I do.

DH: Oh I see. More than mom?

JS: Come on, Dad.

DH: All right. Is she pretty, or nice? Choose just one. Is she pretty or nice?

JS: She’s nice.

Dong-Hoon: Wow, he must really like her.

JS: What about Mom, then? Is she nice or pretty? Choose just one.

SH: Hey, you have to be sure to choose the correct answer. It’s different when you’re talking to married couples.

JS: Hurry up! Is she nice, or pretty?

DH: Mom (4-second pause)…..is amazing.

SH/KH: Hey come on now, wow. Wow, I can’t believe this.

Sang-Hoon: Yeah, if someone is nice and pretty, then they’re amazing. Yep.

[The next scene immediately after this is when they just finished eating and were about to cut the birthday cake]

 

My takeaways:

 

1.       Based from this conversation, I can see that Ji-Seok is a mature kid. He knows the reality that there are couples who separate and that it’s okay to move on and find someone else (based on what he said to his uncle, though it may have been half-jokingly). He also judges and likes people for their personality and not merely for their outward appearance (based on how he described his ‘gf’). I wonder if this conversation is meant to signify that JS would also be cool, in the event that his parents separate, and his Dad finding someone who is not only pretty but also nice, someone who can lift/has lifted DH from his loneliness.

 

2.       On DH saying that YH is amazing. At this point, he already knows about her affair, so I don’t know which part of YH he still sees as amazing. Since JS also asked him to choose just one, had DH answered ‘pretty’, he risked being perceived as loving her superficially only. If he answered ‘nice’, well just like what DH said to his son, he must still really like YH. Which at that time, even prior to learning about the affair, I don’t think he does. I think ‘amazing’ was a safe answer, and I’m ok with him not offering an explanation about it because I don’t think he even has.

 

3.       On Sang-Hoon.  SH thinks that DH’s answer ‘amazing’ = ‘pretty and nice’. My answer is no. Because if that’s how DH feels, why didn’t he just say both. Or why didn’t he just answer ‘pretty’, if he’s too shy to admit he really likes his wife by saying ‘nice’. If a couple is truly comfortable with each other, I don’t think a wife would mind hearing the answer ‘pretty’ instead of ‘nice'. She’d be glad her husband still thinks she’s pretty/ appreciate her looks despite being in her 40s, or given the fact that her husband probably gets to interact with much younger and prettier girls at work. I remember DH mom saying, I forgot which ep, that once women reach their 50s, they don’t like looking at themselves in the mirror anymore.       

 

It sometimes ticks me off whenever Sang-Hoon speaks/decides for DH, and how he always gets it wrong. He told DH to stay at the company for a long time for the sake of their mom’s funeral, not knowing how much unhappiness DH derives from that place. Upon learning about the affair, he told DH to forgive YH, to comfort her, to survive and endure the whole thing, not knowing that DH feels extremely sad about that too. SH even told YH: “The fact that my younger bro didn’t tell anyone about this (affair) and the fact that he was suffering all by himself makes me so sad. But that means that DH loves you that much.” Cue YH and DH in ep 12 flashbacks- YH: “You’re not trying to keep this marriage together because of your love for me. Are you? (coz of mom and JS)” DH: “I don’t want to make you miserable just to make it easier for me. I just don’t how to end this relationship that we’ve maintained for 20 years.”

 

No wonder (and quite telling) in episode 15, when Sang-Hoon and Ki-Hoon saw JA at JH’s bar and both rushed to call DH, it was KH who got connected to DH first. After all, KH is the one more perceptive of DH’s feelings (as many of you have pointed out already).  

 

4.       Interestingly, throughout this PRETTY and NICE conversation (from the point DH asked his son if he has a gf, up to the point SH interpreted what DH meant by amazing), we never saw their reaction, all we get to see is Ji-an. As usual, listening on everything that was transpiring, while on her part-time job.

 

I don't think it was random, the reason we only see Ji-An, is because as per DH in the prior episodes, who again is both pretty and nice?

 

[Episode 5]

 

[Episode 7] 

 

Me: wow, he must really like her. :rolleyes::D

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No matter how much I try to move on from this drama, I just can't. I hate to admit it but I don't think I'm suffering from withdrawal, because fact is, I'm still very much addicted to it LOL. :expressionless:

I've finally managed to start another drama (My Horrible Boss a.k.a. Ms. Temper and Nam Jung Gi), it's light and funny, female lead is strong just like JA, whereas the male lead is uptight and a bit like DH in other aspects. I only started recently and only watch an episode a day. [coz MA still very much owns me XD]    

 

 

@kerfuffle_95 Your entire analysis is so good! :heart:

 

Also, what DH's Mom says...
- What do you think my only wish in life is? It's to see all of you with suitable partners before I die. I just want to see you all live happily before I die. As long as a couple is faithful to each other they'll be fine even if they're poor. And they'll have nothing to fear even if a war breaks out.

 

Do you think this is the wish she made before she blew the candles? And by the end of the show, it comes true for SH when he reunites with AR, and for DH when he finds JA back in his life...

I don't think "faithfulness" comes up as an accident. After all, KWS PD seems to be very intentional about details. Mom instinctively knows that DH is not happy with where he is in life - why else does she worry for him the most? And when she finds out that he had to deal with YH's unfaithfulness on top of his worries, I wonder if she could ever forgive YH.

 

Which couple fulfills Mom's criterion for "living happily"? A couple that is "faithful to each other"...
DH & YH? or DH & JA?

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In the same episode, when YH is on her way to celebrate DH's Mom's birthday, why do you think the camera pans to her left hand? Am I reading too deeply into this? Or does this show she no longer wears her wedding ring? There seems to be a tiny injury too, but Idk where she got it.

 

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@anipanch What is it with Russians and comparison with cats / lions? lol. @tiger457_stv says that JA is the wild cat, but they think DH is the cat? I guess DH and JA need to be the same species to mate together. :tongue:

 

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Having a harrrd time moving on from MA too. So I keep rewatching and taking notes (especially on traffic signals).

 

Tried watching stuff from K-dramas, J-doramas, Hollywood... but I need some time off from people shows. After LSK and IU's performances in MA, everyone seems like a non-actor. So I've gone back to my old comfort food, animes, for now. Watching and enjoying Durarara!, and slowly rewatching Fullmetal Brotherhood.

 

@Sakari Ahhh, lowkey jealous of you! Wish I could unsee Yoona's Street and watch it anew. Enjoy! Jung Hee eonni is cool there too, but I liked the other eonni better.

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