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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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The scene in the drinking bar made me laugh a bit.

EC was never jealous because of AS, but he was a bit jealous 

because HS was thrilled to see DM.  Cool.

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 Dong Mae and EC are a perfect team.

The way they took those horses, so fast and quiet.

To bad that they didnt use that to fight the enemy together.  

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6 hours ago, rubie said:

 

I don't remember watching KMJ before, maybe I have but I'm glad I saw and liked her a lot in MR.SUNSHINE. Will surely remember Kudo HiNa for a long time. 

 

Prior to the drama, I saw KTR's Little Forest, pretty recent movie.. this year. An absolutely delightful healing movie that will make you go hungry. :lol: I love watching people prepare & enjoy simple meals (like variety show TMAD, etc).. so, this is my kind of movie.

 

I haven't seen it but KTR was also in the movie 1987: When the Day Comes about the civil uprising in Korea, a more serious movie based on true events. She's being nominated in various awards ceremonies for her role in this movie.

 

I saw 1987. KTR was delightful in that movie. Maybe that role led her to Ae Sin. Her character in 1987 was also innocent, stubborn and passionate. 

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I don't think the denial or dissatisfaction of the ending will go away easily. The more we think of it, the more we feel that Eugene should have survived. He could have shut the train coach door quickly, shoot the hook off and jumped back to the other coach. He may get shot while doing so but it's an escape from simply suicidal. Sigh.. but it wouldn't be as impactful an ending that a lot of Kdramas and Kmovies productions are fond of. 

 

I wonder if there's an alternative ending to the one we saw on Sunday. There had been tweets (not confirmed though) that the final episode would be longer but that didn't happen. Will it be a different footage included in the Director's Cut?There's no indication of course. I don't really like the comparison but IRIS in 2009 had a movie version out which was mainly an edited shorter version of the 24-episode series. The ending was still the same, LBH's character died in both with the sniper revealed in the movie. To me, the movie version was just the production greed to reap more $ and nothing substantial. Well, I had issues with the drama but that's just me. It had really high ratings, well-received and a lot of fans liked it, so it's fine in the end.

 

But MR.SUNSHINE is different, maybe I'm wishing for a little more to remember from the drama than just trauma in the end. The train hostage situation came out too quickly (too easily?).. we're caught dumbfounded and now it's just over. It could have ended differently and still be as memorable but the repeated Gun, Glory and Sad Ending phrase would never allow it.

 

Somehow.. apart from the fans' responses of agony on twitter and forum like us here.. the production is rather quiet about the ending. There hasn't been any interviews about it.. the actors doesn't say anything either. Well, not that there should be a big notice or something. Just that it felt rather.. strangely quiet.. for some reason, it felt like the drama hasn't really ended.th_bricks.gif Ok, now that's just me rambling nonsensical, of course. 

 

Denial.. denial.. denial.. th_sad011.gif

 

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This is one great Korean drama. What touched me the most is the love confession of Hina to Dong Mae while she is dying at his back. I think this is the first drama I saw where a love confession is made while piggy backing and dying at the same time. The writer and the director must be a hopeless romantic for injecting that scene on the drama. :D

 

While it is true that the death of the three wise men (Dong Mae, Heu Song and Eugene) are very sad, it injected to the show how their lives intertwined for the sake of Ae Shin and for the love of Joseon. Nothing can be expressed more with giving your life for a common goal. The writer and the director must be a frustrated super hero as well for coming up with this scenario. :D

 

Until the very end, the writer and the director did not afforded me the chance to see a kissing scene between Ae Shin and Eugene. I was not asking for a bed scene. I just want a little peck that should last for about 15 seconds but my request was flatly denied. I'm quite disappointed. Hahahaha! :bawling:

 

To the administrator of this thread, thank you so much for letting me be a part of this wonderful drama interaction. To the producers, writer and director of this drama, the bar for excellence had been raised so that others could follow your steps from hereon. Salute to the men and women of this drama. :thumbsup:

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I've been on several sites to see people's reactions to Mr Sunshine and mostly I have seen positive reviews. Of course we all wanted a happy ending. Even though we all know this tragic part of Korean history, we all still wished for a happy fictional ending for our characters. But alas this was not to be.

 

I am not sure but maybe the writer has a greater message to deliver than just a "typical love story". I remember reading a comment before, not sure if someone said it here, about the parallelism of AeShin's love story with the 3 men. That it is actually a love story between the people of Joseon represented by different classes namely HeeSung (nobility), Eugene and DongMae (slave and low born) for their country represented by AeShin. I think when it is viewed from this perspective, then the story of their journey to this realization and even their tragic deaths holds a more profound meaning. 

 

Even the love story of Eugene and AeShin was beautiful without any skinship. Because it has to be pure. Because it is on a deeper level of love. Each line from Eugene lamenting his love for AeShin not being reciprocated actually shows how Joseon has not really accepted him as a Joseon man yet he still finds himself drawn to helping its people. 

 

I am not Korean and I have not actually experienced any atrocities that is being depicted here, yet I am deeply moved by what the people of Joseon gave through their bravery, loyalty and compassion not just to their country but for each other. As Eugene said "not one of them was a single deserter". And even Potter Eun San said something about being outnumberrd by 10 fighters yet they will easily crumble because of people's passion to fight for what they believe in. 

 

I will still rewatch this drama for its many wonderful scenes and because to me, it is worth watching.

 

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14 hours ago, charray said:

In the end, Eugene is buried in Joseon in a foreigner cemetery while Ae Shin is living faraway in Manchuria. They never consummated their marriage and they did not even get to live together as Husband and Wife not even for a few days. Eugene still does not belonged anywhere. And Ae Shin lived alone for the rest of her life without her love, Eugene. My heart breaks for him and Ae Shin. They deserved some marital bliss and happiness even if it is short lived. But they failed to get even that.

 

How tragic can it get?

 

Hi @charray, I see the burial from a different POV.

 

Eugene still acknowledged his American status, and such status played an important role to his survival. Thanks to Joseph, Eugene was given a chance to live as an American, because he probably would have not have survived if he wasn't able to escape Joseon as a child. He also assisted the RA and other Joseon citizens due to the military training from America. Since he chose to die in Joseon, he was buried as a foreigner (American status that kept him alive) in Joseon soil (his birth and death). Lastly, he was finally reunited with Joseph, his father-figure who was also buried in the foreigner cemetery. 

 

PS - This was also to show the everlasting impression of such phrase in English.

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It's been a while I didn't post anything here and just become a silent lurker. Thanks for sharing all the discussion, opinions, strips, BTS, pics, videos, OST etc so we could get updates and things that could entertain us.

 

I should admit that I haven't watched the last 2 episodes. I just read the live recaps. I feel disappointed and lose interest. I agree with some soompiers here that it's forced and some didn't make senses. I was amazed with the character of Ae Shin but then I found her to be selfish. I remember one once mentioned about her character of being selfish and naïve noblewoman earlier. She analysed it right. I didn't feel the love anymore from Ae Shin to Eugene like in the episode when she ran to Eugene in forest after had argument with her grandpa. It must be not love. And I don't know why Eugene still love her after 3 years of no contact and they don't even have that enough 'bonding', not even psychological or emotional bonding. Well if the writer wanted to show the world that skinship is not everything in love, well she could do better to make us believe that. I just couldn't get why Eugene would sacrifice that much and did something out of his character for her. He lost his mind for a fantasy? There are many other things need to be criticized, but I think others have mentioned it as well. 

 

Anyhow, It indeed has great cinematography, great acting, but well, the plot seem to be forced in the last episodes, it's just too  tragic ending and doesn't make sense for me to accept. I watched some sad ending drama too and I could accept them, but this one I just can't. That kind of ending is not my cup of tea, true. But well, I will just leave it and watch rom-com! :rolleyes: hasta la vista!

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6 hours ago, rubie said:

I don't think the denial or dissatisfaction of the ending will go away easily. The more we think of it, the more we feel that Eugene should have survived. He could have shut the train coach door quickly, shoot the hook off and jumped back to the other coach. He may get shot while doing so but it's an escape from simply suicidal. Sigh.. but it wouldn't be as impactful an ending that a lot of Kdramas and Kmovies productions are fond of. 

 

I wonder if there's an alternative ending to the one we saw on Sunday. There had been tweets (not confirmed though) that the final episode would be longer but that didn't happen. Will it be a different footage included in the Director's Cut?There's no indication of course. I don't really like the comparison but IRIS in 2009 had a movie version out which was mainly an edited shorter version of the 24-episode series. The ending was still the same, LBH's character died in both with the sniper revealed in the movie. To me, the movie version was just the production greed to reap more $ and nothing substantial. Well, I had issues with the drama but that's just me. It had really high ratings, well-received and a lot of fans liked it, so it's fine in the end.

 

But MR.SUNSHINE is different, maybe I'm wishing for a little more to remember from the drama than just trauma in the end. The train hostage situation came out too quickly (too easily?).. we're caught dumbfounded and now it's just over. It could have ended differently and still be as memorable but the repeated Gun, Glory and Sad Ending phrase would never allow it.

 

Somehow.. apart from the fans' responses of agony on twitter and forum like us here.. the production is rather quiet about the ending. There hasn't been any interviews about it.. the actors doesn't say anything either. Well, not that there should be a big notice or something. Just that it felt rather.. strangely quiet.. for some reason, it felt like the drama hasn't really ended.th_bricks.gif Ok, now that's just me rambling nonsensical, of course. 

 

Denial.. denial.. denial.. th_sad011.gif

Dear...I am, probably, one of those few ppl who had run through like more than 100 different 'what if" scenarios in my head since the ending. All of which would end up with EC being alive. Among which, he could have swapped guns with AS since AS has more bullets; he could have jumped to the side of the train,or top of the train after he shot the connector (ala Mission Impossible. Heck, after all, he did jumped roofs and buildings earlier in the drama); he could pretend to kiss AS during the search, to threw the Japanese soldiers off track for a few seconds before they took the soldiers down (after all, both are skilful snipers); they could have disguise AS to look differently, knowing that there are possibilities the Japanese would figure out there are mobs on the train..I dont know..just many possibilities..but I also know for each scenario, the outcome is not exactly as I want or there are maybe other factors that wont allow for these scenarios to be executed perfectly..even so, my conclusion is always the same - the only reason for this kind of ending is because KES wanted to end with an unexpected death with EC dying as a hero for the country despite EC's consistent assurance that he is fighting for AS, not the country..in another word, he died as a martyr..But to me this is not a sad ending..it is an accepted but very, very, very painful ending...

 

I seriously dont know how to move on from this. For one thing, I know that we will may never get another chance to see LBH and KTR act together again..if there is any, it would not be the same since who we fell in love with in this drama is AS and EC, the characters. If there is an alternative ending to this or an extra episode or movie to make up for the last episode, I'm not sure how they want to pull it off since EC's death is too apparent and his body was retrieved and buried. Unless they want to pull another Dallas  (all of this is just a dream..hahaha) or another cliche ending of EC is not actually dead but Kyle hide him away kinda of ending..I dont know.. just like you dear..I am still in denial mode...hmmmm

 

I've read many comments in different other sites too. Obviously there are different opinions but the two most common opinions are either they love the ending because it depicts the reality or they hate it because they could not accept the sudden death of the main characters. As for me, I am among the latter, though I accept and respect the former opinion since it is the truth and it is exactly what KES meant to do for this drama.  My reason is because to me dramaland is a form of escapism, especially for those like me who has been through cruel reality for so long. Through dramaland, people like me thought we could at least experience some hope, even if it is just for a few seconds. I started Mr Sunshine with that hope, though my expectation is not high. The most I was expecting was that EC would be one and half palm-span away from AS, physically. Period. What happen next? Leave it to our own imagination. What KES has given us from the ending left no room for that imagination, hence literally killed all hope that has been built since the start of the drama. That is how I feel right now..again..in denial mode..and again, this is just me and my 2cents..#denial #stillwishfulthinking

 

HOWEVER, I have to say that this drama is the best drama that I have watched so far..in terms of its technical production, even the style of writing, the witty quips and quotes, the PDs, the cinematography, the soundtracks, of course the actors and actresses (and not just the main characters, but all the supporting actors even the nameless one. That is why we could cry along or hate them -esp the Japanese soldiers - even if we dont know their names). It's like watching 12 weeks of movie every time. The whole production is stunningly daebak! Some call for it to be not just awarded locally but also recognised in the international awards. I would second that, even if the ending is not my preference. To me, regardless the disappointment for the ending, the whole drama is an epic, a masterpiece and deserve to be recognised..

 

And if KES started this with the hope this drama could instil some form of patriotism, she had done it perfectly. i believed many of us had parents, grandparents, great2 grandparents who went thru all this and live to tell the story. Mr Sunshine provide the visuals to all the stories we have heard and new appreciation to the meaning of fighting for your motherland..

 

Anyway, even though I was not active here but I have enjoyed all the insights, gifs, videos, recaps posted here as a silent lurker..kamsahanida to all..as usual, you guys are great.. and see you guys in another drama...:heart:

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Many blame Aeshin here, I think if watched until the 20th episode I thought everyone knew what was prioritized for this drama was patriotism, romance was only the second, 'Aeshin' was a very cruel woman, but she also often asked Eugune Choi to end their relationship because it will only cause suffering, for his love for 'Eugune Choi' has been shown in the train scene she told the train to run first because the information has leaked, she did it because she wanted Eugene choi to be safe, I thought she was doing it because she felt Eugune choi not supposed fight for Joseon's independence, because the country itself which makes 'Eugune choi' suffer so much I think 'Aeshin' feels guilty for the actions of this beloved country to the son of a slave who escaped Joseon, who in the end he could got into the train and his life disappeared to protect the woman he loved and made I got sick in these two days because of a painful ending, If I remember the comment here there was someone who said when Aeshin thought of she to America with Eugune choi that it turned out that only AeShin imagination had protested the members here because the woman only thought about her love story and didn't care about her country, but after she fought so hard for his country now people say as if he doesn't care about his love, that is to Eugune choi, for me I can't blame 'Aeshin or Eugene' in this case, if anyone is blamed, blame the condition of those who live the age of war where it is very difficult to unite love and a sense of patriotism.:)

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The English writing in EC’s tomb “still picnic in...”, wasn’t that words mentioned many times between Kyle and EC? Did Kyle write that sentence on EC’s tomb?

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19 minutes ago, 12blbl said:

The English writing in EC’s tomb “still picnic in...”, wasn’t that words mentioned many times between Kyle and EC? Did Kyle write that sentence on EC’s tomb?

I believe he did. The dearest friend to Eugene, informed by Gwan So for sure had to take care of his deceased friend. 

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@charray I'm not sure, I don't think so.. but I just got online and saw the tweet quite late. So far, there's no pics at his media pages although sometimes, they do appear much later. The thing is the opening of 2018 Busan International Film Festival is also tonight, I'm not sure if he'd be there (but more likely). Didn't realize that the KDA is held tonight as well.

 

Oh wait.. they're announcing the Daesang now..

 

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Nope, LBH didn't win the Daesang.. he's up against 3 veteran and very good actors. The actor Yoo Dong Geun from Marry Me Now won the Grand Prize.

 

I think I read somewhere that KTR also did not win.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Korea_Drama_Awards

 

 

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40 minutes ago, rubie said:

@charray I'm not sure, I don't think so.. but I just got online and saw the tweet quite late. So far, there's no pics at his media pages although sometimes, they do appear much later. The thing is the opening of 2018 Busan International Film Festival is also tonight, I'm not sure if he'd be there. I didn't realize that the KDA is held tonight as well.

 

Oh wait.. they're announcing the Daesang now..

 

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Nope, LBH didn't win the Daesang.. he was up against 3 veteran and very good actors. The actor Yoo Dong Geun from Marry Me now won the Grand Prize.

 

I think I read somewhere that KTR also did not win.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Korea_Drama_Awards

 

 

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That award is notorious for participation award. It's at the southern end of Korea, and main reason for this award is for the city attraction. So... they would rather give it to actors/actresses who'll be there... but, that just lowers the award itself. I guess they don't really care.

 

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My denial is justified because this exaggerated patriotism and symbolism (Aeshin/Eugene) does not work for me in Mr Sunshine.

 

It seems to me that some people do not understand my point of view. I will try to show it on the example of few other productions. The difference between sacrifice in a place and time when the characters made a difficult choice or really didn't had choice or had reasons that worked and was understandable (my mind accepted them despite the sad ending). Events caused what happened to characters and why they did something not forced script or philosophy. The difference between good productions and much worse like Mr Sunshine and Siege in the Fog (Korean production is much better in quality but the end is hopeless and especially ending was badly made but I saw some good things. Plot: She loved the another: political visionary and partisan who abandoned her, she began to notice her husband feelings, protection and support after his sad confession. Her husband had many flaws which were caused by the lack of acceptance in the noble military family as a son of concubine and her coldness towards him which led to drunkenness and his ill-being but his love was sincere for woman he chose despite her low origin and when she finally accepted him he became better person).   

Siege in the Fog: Confession of the main male character why he married her and important place where he did it, poisoned wine when they both were forced drink it and reason sending her away to safe place are 3 the best and great scenes of this series but lack of a child after 3 years of marriage spoiled the end of the series. 

 

 

Tae Guk Gi - part of plot

 

Civil War 1950-1953

 

I speak from memory and I can say something wrong but the meaning will be similar. Two brothers (older and younger) very positive characters who were very attached to each other - they were mobilized in South Korea. At one point the propaganda office or political police arrested the fiancee of the older brother (a spy, a communist, she slept with North Korean officers). Often people are wrongly accused when the country loses the war or looking for traitors. The brothers stood up for her, but she was killed and they were arrested (I do not remember the whole incident - older brother argue with the political police and something went wrong - but later the younger of the brothers blames the older for the death of a woman and probably very liked her as close friend). The older brother was out of a prison (interrogation, the older brother was hero and earlier honored with a medal of honor, the former commander promised send younger brother to home but new commander refused). North Korea attacks the base. The older brother thinks that the younger one was killed in a burnt prison. After some time, we see that the younger of the brothers has survived and is still fighting on the side of South Korea. The younger of the brothers is summoned to the command and they show him a propaganda picture of his older brother in the uniform of a North Korean officer (a South Korean hero fights for the enemy).The younger one still blames his older brother for the death of a woman and abandoning him (he does not know that he was wrongly admitted deceased by an older brother) states that his brother must be a traitor and he does not care. The older of the brothers hates South Korea for the death of his fiancee and younger brother. The brothers meet during one of the battles and managed to reconcile but I do not remember how it happened. The battle is won by North Korea and the southerners are starting to run away. The older brother gets a machine gun and tries to stop the offensive and let younger brother run away. Fifty years pass (people are separated into two countries) and we see younger brother as an old man. During the exhumation of the battlefield, a skeleton with pen was discovered with his name (they thoughts he lying here but they discovered in documents he still alive and contacted him) and it turns out that he found his older brother after all these years. 

 

Really the scene was so strong and sad that my tears fell. A sad ending but understandable. Realistic, logical and serious films are made in this way.

 

 

71: Into the Fire

 

Civil War 1950-1953

 

The film is based on a true story of a group of 71 undertrained and underarmed, outgunned student-soldiers of South Korea during the Korean War, who were mostly killed on August 11, 1950, during the Battle of P'ohang-dong. For 11 hours, they defended the local P'ohang girls' middle school, a strategic point for safeguarding the struggling Nakdong River perimeter, from an attack by overwhelming North Korean forces, specifically the feared 766th Unit. 

 

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Lets face it, KES sucks at writing anything else other than romance.......

But she's brilliant in creating characters, but often fell short in plot at the end......

She literally destroyed AeShin 's appeal after ep 19. ANd her involvement in RA hardly contributed anything.....

 

In the end she had to flee the country for her life....

A better plot would be she joins Eugene to US and try to convince the globe of Japan's wrongdoing......!!

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, mistymorning said:
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That award is notorious for participation award. It's at the southern end of Korea, and main reason for this award is for the city attraction. So... they would rather give it to actors/actresses who'll be there... but, that just lowers the award itself. I guess they don't really care.

 

 

from http://pop.heraldcorp.com/view.php?ud=201810021832457790355_1

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Actor Yoo Dong-gun quotes,

"My family and Jun Inwha(His wife, and actress too) will be so happy for my win today. Frankly speaking, the daesang in my mind is 'Mr. Sunshine' ...."

 

So.. don't be so sad! 

 

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