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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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@kansas424, you are new here, right? You may want to backtrack a bit. I have mentioned I won't be commenting much in Soompi. Nevertheless, thank you for the invitation. I believe in regard to AS's character development,  I echoed @KDramaLogic. I  have also written quite lengthy about it in DB. Feel free to drop by.

 

I am seeing it differently from many here as you can see from my earlier posts and that is how my mind works. I don't let my love for an actor or actress clouded my judgement in analysing characters and plots though it won't stop me from enjoying the beauty feast as well. I criticised DM before and I will do it again to him and any characters when I just can't relate.

 

I don't see Soompi any different than DB. So I will assume claim of pulling down any site than the other, a non existent. Please understand as I am understanding why people can't relate to other characters than AS or EC. Because we see and analyse things differently. You may analyse e.g. DM on one perspective. I analysed him by others. I have written lengthy before. My views stand that I find HN, HS, Hotaru and DM are more compelling to date. I came to Mr. Sunshine not for the main love story but for the RA, hence it should give you some idea where my stance is. It does not change since then. You may also deem them as a matter of preference in addition to different way of how I am viewing this drama. Cheers!

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2 hours ago, Seoulmemories said:

@KDramaLogic I like what you wrote mostly but I think I don't blame AS for not seeing the plight of the lower class.

 

As a noblelady, although she goes for physical training, she must have led a very sheltered life. Since I assume in her household, her slaves must have been kindly and fairly treated, she probably thought everyone does the same thing with their slaves. She probably grew up with a tunnel vision of slaves Are slaves and that's the way society is structured, so she couldn't accept at first that EC was actually a slave by background.

 

Her world is fairly black n white, that's why like what you said she can't see DM beyond his facade. 

 

But I don't blame her, a person is a product of their upbringing, hopefully now that she is older and going out more, she grows to see other perspectives in life.

 

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Thanks for your feedback on AS' character growth- something which, I admit, I'll need to step back and remember how far she has gotten along since the beginning.  Despite her grandfather's outward chastisements, he did treat his family, servants, slaves and other members of the household fairly well (even more so, compared to HS' family)- hence, AS' cluelessness over the actual systematic prejudice/discrimination/mistreatment of EC, DM, Seung-gu, and other Joseon people who are not from the noble class.  Not to mention that this drama has at least 5 major characters- AS, EC, DM, HS, HN- all of whom KES, so far, has brought more depth and characterization than I'd normally find in several K-dramas.  So, it'll take a while for each character's full potential to be realized, particularly, in this case, regarding their stance in Joseon.  Since we have 8 remaining episodes, I'll sit back and trust that AS will evolve past her noble upbringing, take up her parents' stead in the RA,  fight alongside EC and others against the Japanese oppression of Joseon Korea, and (hopefully) find ways toward establishing and protecting the rights of all Joseon people of all backgrounds.

 

2 hours ago, miracle23 said:

@kansas424 I think I remember seeing a similar claim about DB being a cancerous site at the comment section. Honestly, if I were to be such commenter, I would claim similarly with Soompi as I have seen and read quite a number of fanatic postings and bashings but thanks and kudos to the mods controlling them before things get really out of hand. Having said that, I am not going to put myself on the same pedestal by making such claim. I refuse to judge people and their preferences. I would rather having the space to discuss why a certain character is flawed in my opinion and why others are more compelling instead of simply accusing the commenters for having views that are evidently in contrast than mine. It is their rights to feel what they feel for any characters or plots. We really should not go to that route. Such attack itself is worst than being cancerous. It just shows how ones can't accept differences in preferences/opinions.  Not everyone can relate with what AS is as of 16 ep than what AS was in the beginning. Many of the commenters are actually rooting for AS as a character from the beginning but until recent eps, some has indicated their frustrations from their observations. And I am among them. And I am also one that root for the supporting roles, DM included. Hence, I will not be backed down by comments like fangirls or cancerous s***. Please have some respect when writing here. I believe all of us here are grown ups. Soompi is not that much different in purpose than DB since it provides space for kdrama fans to mingle and enjoy sharing their likes and dislikes of kdrama. Let's keep it peaceful in both places. I personally find beanies are a funny bunch where I envy, in a positive way, their articulate and creative minds. It makes reading their comments so enjoyable despite we are not sharing views on some points.

 

 @KDramaLogic welcome my dear and thank you for such a good written constructive discussion. You have explained really well on behalf of the majority of beanies frequenting Mr. Sunshine recap section. We discuss thoughts and not who likes what. I hope people understand this. Keep on writing, I look forward to read your views.

 

 

Sorry to cut your post! :sweatingbullets:  Thanks for welcoming me as well, and I'm flattered to hear from you that I am speaking on behalf of the majority of the beanies there too!  While I concede that Dramabeans, Soompi, and other K-drama websites will have some extreme biased comments (because we're human), I was offended to hear on this thread that Dramabeans is a "cancerous" place for "DM fangirls" to "hate" on AS just because AS/DM won't happen.  As far as I saw on the Ep. 15 recap, the majority of comments posting negatively about AS are frustrated about AS' relative lack of character growth/cause for fighting for Joseon compared to EC, DM, HS, and other characters whose actions are further moving the plot than AS'- even some of those who are trying to support AS/EC relationship.  I believe a majority of both Soompiers and beanies gather round to understand and enjoy the characterizations, dynamics, and storyline/context of any K-drama we're watching- something which KES definitely delivers here!

 

I agree with you that both Dramabeans and Soompi provide platforms for K-drama fans to share their likes, dislikes, expectations, etc. of K-dramas they watch.  Some may be insightful, short, or otherwise.  I also appreciate different insights without outright accusations; for, as far as we're concerned, there may be some plot points or characterizations we've missed upon first, second, or other viewing of the same drama/episode until another comment addresses this.  For instance, I missed out the part where AS decided to give up on her revenge quest regarding her parents' senseless murder (in the hands of Wan-Ik) and told off Eun San for assuming EC would act against the RA until kansas424 (again, sorry, don't know how to post the profile link on the posts) responded to my first post.

 

So, thanks, and let's wait out the next 4-5 days until Ep. 17 of Mr. Sunshine:glasses:

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Have to say that I'm in complete awe at members who write with such precise and thoughtful accuracy, no matter which side you're on! *Salute!* I'd always every so often stop halfway to check the words I'm using will not mean something else (LOL) and in the process, forgets what I'm suppose to write after that. Hah! :lol:

 

@KDramaLogic to answer your query.. to reply to a specific member without quoting his or her comment, all you have to do is to type '@' followed by the name correctly-spelled (no spaces) which prompts a list of similar usernames to appear. When you see the person you wish to reply to, click on that and it'll appear in reversed bold and they will get a notification which I'm sure you have received a few by now. ^_^

 

@mistymorning thanks so much for the DC Gall sharing, I totally get the fishing review. :D So funny and very creative indeed! The Korean version of Soompi forum must be bustling non-stop with so much sharing and tidbits of MR.SUNSHINE. If only we could read and understand Korean but .. I think as of now, every forum regardless of languages have their own way of actively sharing the drama.. English, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indonesian, Arabic and many more on twitter especially. Nonetheless, it'll be awesome to know what the Korean fans think of the drama.

 

We are of course such fiery fans of MR.SUNSHINE but unlike the scorching heat.. let's all keep our cool, ok. This is such a special thread because we are here. :wub:

 

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17 minutes ago, kansas424 said:


HS has decided to kick start his very own newspaper business in exposing the truths, EC has taken up the role of royal army trainer, 

DM? Nothing much going on there since day 1. 

 

Dong Mae did help to uncover the plot to intercept the secret letters sent by Ae Shin’s Grandfather to all the scholars and informed Ae Shin’s Grandfather of this. He also killed the lackey of Hiyashi. 

 

Just for discussion purposes, the way I see it, the above actions of Dong Mae are driven or motivated by his desire to protect Ae Shin and her family as well as for his personal revenge. He is not driven by any grand or noble cause of saving Joseon or making Joseon a better place for people of all walks of life. Same can also be said of Eugene. That their actions happened to have the effect of helping Joseon’s cause is besides the point. 

 

Not sure if we are realistic here in making this big ask of Ae Shin to bear the burden of saving Joseon and making Joseon a better place for people of all walks of life to live in by herself? Based on what I googled, the roles and rights of women were reduced in Joseon compared to previous eras in Korean history. Yangban women had it worse as they were completely hidden from the outer world and every woman had to conform to Confucian ideals of purity, obedience, chastity and faithfulness. Women were subjects of male dominance throughout their lives, obliged to listen to their fathers, husbands, fathers-in-law and firstborn sons. Homes were divided into male and female quarters to separate the sexes. 

 

So far, her role in the Righteous Army is a sniper who take on the odd mission here and there at the order of Gunner Jang. Unlike Grandfather who can command and galvanise scholars and commoners to his cause.  Ae Shin has not reached the level yet to galvanise and command anyone except her fanboys and right hand and left hand men. Not sure what we can expect her to do?

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Aeshin, Eugene and a few other characters are just a few interesting people in this period and are unable to stop Japanese domination in the region. The question is whether they will fight until the end and they will die buried in nameless graves or maybe they will fight until they realize that they have the right to live (after many terrifying experiences - war) and decide survive and they will choose different places (Japan, Joseon, America, China, Europe). 

 

Some soompiers do not notice that someone may want to live :)

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2 hours ago, charray said:

Not sure if we are realistic here in making this big ask of Ae Shin to bear the burden of saving Joseon and making Joseon a better place for people of all walks of life to live in by herself? Based on what I googled, the roles and rights of women were reduced in Joseon compared to previous eras in Korean history. Yangban women had it worse as they were completely hidden from the outer world and every woman had to conform to Confucian ideals of purity, obedience, chastity and faithfulness. Women were subjects of male dominance throughout their lives, obliged to listen to their fathers, husbands, fathers-in-law and firstborn sons. Homes were divided into male and female quarters to separate the sexes. 

 

So far, her role in the Righteous Army is a sniper who take on the odd mission here and there at the order of Gunner Jang. Unlike Grandfather who can command and galvanise scholars and commoners to his cause.  Ae Shin has not reached the level yet to galvanise and command anyone except her fanboys and right hand and left hand men. Not sure what we can expect her to do?

This.

 

Even if AS just fight for Joseon's freedom, it'll take her whole life. Liberation happened on 1945, so she will be 73? Realistically, she probably will not see liberation in her life. Also, I don't think outside world was that free either. Remember this is 100 years ago.

 

For social advancement, the thing is, trying to get her love of life who was a nobi(slave) against her granpa's wish is a gigantic step forward. It's still not long after Gabo reform. Before reform, if Eugene wasn't an american marine captain he'll get killed and/or along with her. Or he can get accused of raping her( to save her reputation) and then killed. She could be asked for suicide due to ill reputation she will bring to her family. In that sense, the declaration of love between AS and EC is a huge deal. And grandpa Go is being really, really nice actually. So you could say AS is doing big favor for social cause thru her personal life too.

 

Finally, I feel sometimes that some of those people who wants to make AS to look at lower class hardship, is actually wants AS to look at DM's hardship and understand him. Thus have more stories developed between them. We don't know whether KES will write about this or not, but let's not trivialize AS because we didn't get what we wanted.

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2 hours ago, rubie said:

Have to say that I'm in complete awe at members who write with such precise and thoughtful accuracy, no matter which side you're on! *Salute!* I'd always every so often stop halfway to check the words I'm using will not mean something else (LOL) and in the process, forgets what I'm suppose to write after that. Hah! :lol:

@KDramaLogic to answer your query.. to reply to a specific member without quoting his or her comment, all you have to do is to type '@' followed by the name correctly-spelled (no spaces) which prompts a list of similar usernames to appear. When you see the person you wish to reply to, click on that and it'll appear in reversed bold and they will get a notification which I'm sure you have received a few by now. ^_^

 

 

Sorry to cut/paste your post into two parts: one above, and one below. :sweatingbullets:

 

In response to the first part above, thanks for the info on how to reply to or refer to a specific Soompi user without quoting.  I'll make sure to do so from now on.  Likewise, I always have to step back and check if I'm using the words and/or phrases to emphasize my original point without inadvertently losing my train of thought. :)

 

2 hours ago, rubie said:

 

@mistymorning thanks so much for the DC Gall sharing, I totally get the fishing review. :D So funny and very creative indeed! The Korean version of Soompi forum must be bustling non-stop with so much sharing and tidbits of MR.SUNSHINE. If only we could read and understand Korean but .. I think as of now, every forum regardless of languages have their own way of actively sharing the drama.. English, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indonesian, Arabic and many more on twitter especially. Nonetheless, it'll be awesome to know what the Korean fans think of the drama.

 

We are of course such fiery fans of MR.SUNSHINE but unlike the scorching heat.. let's all keep our cool, ok. This is such a special thread because we are here. :wub:

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, miracle23 said:

@kansas424, you are new here, right? You may want to backtrack a bit. I have mentioned I won't be commenting much in Soompi. Nevertheless, thank you for the invitation. I believe in regard to AS's character development,  I echoed @KDramaLogic. I  have also written quite lengthy about it in DB. Feel free to drop by.

 

I am seeing it differently from many here as you can see from my earlier posts and that is how my mind works. I don't let my love for an actor or actress clouded my judgement in analysing characters and plots though it won't stop me from enjoying the beauty feast as well. I criticised DM before and I will do it again to him and any characters when I just can't relate.

 

I don't see Soompi any different than DB. So I will assume claim of pulling down any site than the other, a non existent. Please understand as I am understanding why people can't relate to other characters than AS or EC. Because we see and analyse things differently. You may analyse e.g. DM on one perspective. I analysed him by others. I have written lengthy before. My views stand that I find HN, HS, Hotaru and DM are more compelling to date. I came to Mr. Sunshine not for the main love story but for the RA, hence it should give you some idea where my stance is. It does not change since then. You may also deem them as a matter of preference in addition to different way of how I am viewing this drama. Cheers!

 

Off topic, like @miracle23, I won't be commenting that often on Soompi.  Today just happened to be my free day to post my thoughts on the overall progression of Mr. Sunshine here, and I couldn't be happier to receive insightful responses, corrections, and/or advice here.

 

Back to the subject at hand: for the most part, I wouldn't let my bias (love, hate, etc.) towards an actor/actress and his/her "unrelated" personal life issues affect my analysis, judgment, etc. of the characters he/she plays in any TV drama or movie he/she stars in.  The few times that I would have issues with the actor/actress include if he/she comes up short (or fails) in embodying his/her character role, the context of the storyline and characterizations, and so on in a drama/movie/etc. that is mostly well-directed, well-written, and well-portrayed by a majority of the strong cast ensemble.

 

For the most part, all of the Mr. Sunshine cast, including those playing the villains, portray their characters and emphasize their plight in the historical context very well that not one actor/character sticks out like a sore thumb.  When I heard that KES is releasing a drama that will tackle the not-often-seen Joseon period just before the Japanese annexation of Korea, I had to see out she (and the actors) would carry out such a sensitive, heartbreaking moment of Korean history that have had K-net viewers protesting and petitioning out of outrage over the historical "inaccuracies" and lack of disclaimer during the first few episodes of Mr. Sunshine.  Like @miracle23, I'd rather see how AS, EC, DM, HS, and others (including Seung-gu and perhaps HN) would put aside their past grievances/prejudices/traumas and join together alongside the RA (which will need resetting of their priorities) in their fight for the future of Joseon.  While I'm not really here for the romance overall (though those exchanges are cute, funny, and welcoming in lieu of this dark historical context), I acknowledge that AS' relationships/encounters with EC et al. do compel them to re-prioritize their personal positions in Joseon, further driving the plotline amidst the impending Japanese colonization.

 

I continue to look forward to more insight on this drama here as we reach the light at the end of the tunnel (no pun intended, at least)!:)

 

 

2 hours ago, charray said:

 

Not sure if we are realistic here in making this big ask of Ae Shin to bear the burden of saving Joseon and making Joseon a better place for people of all walks of life to live in by herself? Based on what I googled, the roles and rights of women were reduced in Joseon compared to previous eras in Korean history. Yangban women had it worse as they were completely hidden from the outer world and every woman had to conform to Confucian ideals of purity, obedience, chastity and faithfulness. Women were subjects of male dominance throughout their lives, obliged to listen to their fathers, husbands, fathers-in-law and firstborn sons. Homes were divided into male and female quarters to separate the sexes. 

 

So far, her role in the Righteous Army is a sniper who take on the odd mission here and there at the order of Gunner Jang. Unlike Grandfather who can command and galvanise scholars and commoners to his cause.  Ae Shin has not reached the level yet to galvanise and command anyone except her fanboys and right hand and left hand men. Not sure what we can expect her to do?

 

Once more, sorry to cut your post.  Obviously, it's an extremely tall order for AS to bear the burden of ensuring the safety and future of the Joseon people on her own, with her only support being EC, her servants/slaves and fanboys (DM and HS).  But, considering AS' grandfather's predicament (preferably not death sentence by Wan Ik but, given the Ep. 17 preview and spolier pics, doesn't look promising :cold_sweat:), someone will have to take his position in bringing together the scholars and Joseon people of all social backgrounds in their fight against Japanese rule.  And who better to do it than AS, EC, and other current (Eun San?) and would-be (DM, HS, etc.) RA compatriots?

 

Now, I do realize that all women,- yangban/noble, slave, butcher, etc.- have been undermined in the patriarchal society in Joseon; hence, AS may have more difficulty publicly declaring her position as a Joseon independence fighter.  However, one thing I would like to point out (which may or may not explain why some Soompiers and beanies from Dramabeans are frustrated with AS' current character trajectory compared to the AS fanboys- EC, DM, and HS), is that AS' grandfather, despite his apparent admonishment of AS' rebellious, "unladylike" streak, allowed her to be recognized as part of his family despite being born out of wedlock (with a woman whom he might not have approved of), receive rifle training from Seung-gu for over 10 years, and even just argue about whatever he says.  Not to mention that AS' grandfather does not appear to wield any (homicidal) tyranny over his servants/slaves like HS' grandfather has done.  In typical yangban households, AS would never receive any of the privileges and end being treated no better than the servants or slaves.  Furthermore, as a noblewoman, AS did not have to suffer extreme social injustices and mistreatment like HN, EC's mother (i.e., offered as a pawn by HS' grandfather for political purposes despite being married), and DM's mother (i.e., being raped while her butcher husband helplessly goes on with his work).

 

Given that there are 8 remaining episodes with 4 other major characters at hand (EC, DM, HS, and HN), only time will tell if AS will either renounce her fight for Joseon and flee from the Japanese rule for her personal safety and happiness (with EC, assuming he or both survive), or renounce her noblewoman upbringing and join EC, the RA comrades and others and fight for Joseon while staying there during the next 30-40 years Japanese oppression.

 

As always, if I missed any other plot point or characterization, please let me know!  Darn these long posts! :sweatingbullets:

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@KDramaLogic

 

I respect you for shedding thoughts in this thread. I wonder whether to join the discussion or to put up a passive attitude. 

A little more and everyone will write such essays :lol:

 

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2 hours ago, KDramaLogic said:

But, considering AS' grandfather's predicament (preferably not death sentence by Wan Ik but, given the Ep. 17 preview and spolier pics, doesn't look promising :cold_sweat:), someone will have to take his position in bringing together the scholars and Joseon people of all social backgrounds in their fight against Japanese rule.  And who better to do it than AS, EC, and other current (Eun San?) and would-be (DM, HS, etc.) RA compatriots?

 

I don't see anybody who will replace Grandpa Go in the drama. AS will not be that one due to her being sheltered daughter who'll get married off to Kim's family in society's eyes, - after the marriage she'll be considered part of Kim's family, not Go. Ultimately, I see Go as an old big tree that belongs to time past. This was the time when gun had the power, while grandpa Go belong to old Joseon days when the pen had the power. He's planning to hold scholar's demo in the Hanseung in next episode, but it's destined to be futile.

 

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Now, I do realize that all women,- yangban/noble, slave, butcher, etc.- have been undermined in the patriarchal society in Joseon; hence, AS may have more difficulty publicly declaring her position as a Joseon independence fighter.  However, one thing I would like to point out (which may or may not explain why some Soompiers and beanies from Dramabeans are frustrated with AS' current character trajectory compared to the AS fanboys- EC, DM, and HS), is that AS' grandfather, despite his apparent admonishment of AS' rebellious, "unladylike" streak, allowed her to be recognized as part of his family despite being born out of wedlock (with a woman whom he might not have approved of), receive rifle training from Seung-gu for over 10 years, and even just argue about whatever he says.  Not to mention that AS' grandfather does not appear to wield any (homicidal) tyranny over his servants/slaves like HS' grandfather has done.  In typical yangban households, AS would never receive any of the privileges and end being treated no better than the servants or slaves.  Furthermore, as a noblewoman, AS did not have to suffer extreme social injustices and mistreatment like HN, EC's mother (i.e., offered as a pawn by HS' grandfather for political purposes despite being married), and DM's mother (i.e., being raped while her butcher husband helplessly goes on with his work).

Not sure why this matters, but in typical yangban household, AS will receive better treatment than servants or slave. That's for sure. Doesn't mean that she's so special to have any power over yangban men. But, I 'm having no clue where you're going with this?

 

 

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Given that there are 8 remaining episodes with 4 other major characters at hand (EC, DM, HS, and HN), only time will tell if AS will either renounce her fight for Joseon and flee from the Japanese rule for her personal safety and happiness (with EC, assuming he or both survive), or renounce her noblewoman upbringing and join EC, the RA comrades and others and fight for Joseon while staying there during the next 30-40 years Japanese oppression.

Leaving Joseon didn't mean to renounce the fight with Japan(consider Song Young who's in Shanghai). As I said, after 1910 RA massacre, remaining RA had to escape other countries to continue the fight. They had to because they lost all the grounds to fight in Joseon. So again, if she decides to stay in Joseon after 1910, she will be either dead or renouncing being RA.

 

 

 

 

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As always, if I missed any other plot point or characterization, please let me know!  Darn these long posts! :sweatingbullets:

Always welcome the discussion!

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12 minutes ago, aurelionsol said:

@KDramaLogic

 

I respect you for shedding thoughts in this thread. I wonder whether to join the discussion or to put up a passive attitude. 

A little more and everyone will write such essays :lol:

 

 

Hi!  Given that KES has us viewers scratching our heads out (hopefully not our brains! :lol:) over each character's next motivation, move and/or fate in this rich, complex (and real-life tragic) historical movement in Joseon Korea (and (b)romance for those debating over the AS/EC vs. AS/DM vs. AS/HS vs. HN/DM vs. EC/DM/HS...), there are loads of topics, discussions, etc. to post that would yield nearly 2+ - page-long essays!!!  But that's what I admire about Mr. Sunshine, and I commend KES for being brave enough to make viewers pontificate over the causes, aftermath, etc. of the Joseon period right before the Japanese annexation and not just the usual romantic dynamic tropes.

 

2 hours ago, aurelionsol said:

 

Aeshin, Eugene and a few other characters are just a few interesting people in this period and are unable to stop Japanese domination in the region. The question is whether they will fight until the end and they will die buried in nameless graves or maybe they will fight until they realize that they have the right to live (after many terrifying experiences - war) and decide survive and they will choose different places (Japan, Joseon, America, China, Europe). 

 

Some soompiers do not notice that someone may want to live :)

 

I also respect your thoughts regarding the current and prospective outcomes of Mr. Sunshine.  First, I, as any other (non-sadistic) viewer, would want every character to survive and have a happy ending by the end of the drama.

 

That being said, we don't know at what period of the Japanese annexation of Joseon Korea KES will showcase at the drama finale.  What we know is that Japan colonization of Korea (and atrocities including the Comfort Women) will prevail for the next 30-40 years since the current timeline of this drama until U.S. launches the atomic bomb at Japan in 1945.  So, it's highly unlikely that any of these main characters will have any satisfactory happy ending in Joseon Korea just as Japan takes over.- that is, if KES chooses to end their saga here.  If they are shown as having stayed in Joseon Korea and fighting together against oppression, and we're flash-forwarded to the end of the Japanese rule, perhaps we may see a bittersweet ending of their 30-40-year-older selves (I think the youngest may be in their 70s! :confounded:) looking on at the ambiguous future of Korea and its citizens.

 

Still, I am not certain how other viewers, particularly Korean netizens, would respond to the possible trajectory of AS leaving behind Joseon Korea for her own safety and happiness (with EC, if he survives) in the U.S. or other countries.  The whole Japanese annexation of Korea is an extremely sensitive (and overlooked, no thanks to the Japanese government) historical subject that has vexed K-net viewers over the simplest instances of sympathy towards "traitors" including DM.  So for AS' character trajectory to go from "daring Joseon independence fighter at night but naive- yet rebellious- noblewoman with little or no true understanding about the everyday plight of disadvantaged Koreans (butchers, slaves, etc.) living in Joseon" to a "woman who used her noble status to flee Japan-ruled Korea and leave behind the disadvantaged Joseon people who will have to suffer the Japanese atrocities and oppression" may not sit well with K-nets.

 

Again, AS should be able to think about her future happiness and safety (like EC and DM did as children after witnessing their parents' cruel deaths) and not be burdened with shouldering the fates of Joseon people alone (with ambivalent help from the RA and her "fanboys" EC, DM, and/or HS).

 

At this point, I will wait until Ep. 17 and trust that KES will show scenes of AS truly weighing the consequences of remaining in and fighting for Joseon and its people, rather than just getting stuck defending her love for EC despite "irreconcilable" differences in social status.  We trust that AS will stop at nothing to affirm her relationship with EC; now we just need to see AS exert her evolved stance in her fight for Joseon independence.

 

If, by now, you would like to open a follow-up discussion and mention any plot or characterization I may have missed, please feel free to do so.  I welcome your insight, and I'll do my part in reassessing my points (if needed).  Again, I'm not likely to post often on Soompi; so I'll assume a more passive stance and see how the rest of Mr. Sunshine unfolds.  KES has surprised us with handling this historical matter; so I'll anticipate any unexpected outcomes of the characters' fates in the drama. :blush:

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Wow the thread is on fire today..

I do enjoy reading all the post and for me this just shows that Mr. SUNSHINE is enjoyed and embraced worldwide not just in SK.. 

So Kudos to the cast and crew.. Special mention to the actor playing LWK.. man he is really really good he got my whole family  hating him :naughty:, that everytime  he is shown my niece always threaten to pluck his eyes out hahaha...

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8 hours ago, miracle23 said:

@kansas424, you are new here, right? You may want to backtrack a bit. I have mentioned I won't be commenting much in Soompi. Nevertheless, thank you for the invitation. I believe in regard to AS's character development,  I echoed @KDramaLogic. I  have also written quite lengthy about it in DB. Feel free to drop by.

  

I am seeing it differently from many here as you can see from my earlier posts and that is how my mind works. I don't let my love for an actor or actress clouded my judgement in analysing characters and plots though it won't stop me from enjoying the beauty feast as well. I criticised DM before and I will do it again to him and any characters when I just can't relate.

 

I don't see Soompi any different than DB. So I will assume claim of pulling down any site than the other, a non existent. Please understand as I am understanding why people can't relate to other characters than AS or EC. Because we see and analyse things differently. You may analyse e.g. DM on one perspective. I analysed him by others. I have written lengthy before. My views stand that I find HN, HS, Hotaru and DM are more compelling to date. I came to Mr. Sunshine not for the main love story but for the RA, hence it should give you some idea where my stance is. It does not change since then. You may also deem them as a matter of preference in addition to different way of how I am viewing this drama. Cheers!

 

Appreciate the reply, it's kinda weird that you're interested in story of RA, but find HN, HS, DM more compelling to date? I mean, none of them have direct link to the RA story-line as much as EC-AS which branched off to Potter, Seung Guil etc. If any of you actually watched EP 15, the RA camp esp the Potter has started to waver in his belief of the cause he's been fighting after confronted with EC and AS. Perhaps you guys were expecting more action scenes which literally only show action and nth else.....

I just feel that there's no need to bring down a character just for your favorite sake. To go as far as to use the word " hate" ?  (referring to the comments on DB). It's an extremely unfair remark nevertheless, i have never seen the other camps openly slam Dong Mae? That might change if they happened to visit DB though. The afore-statement made does not apply for all DM fans.

This drama has immense depth, it's time to look beyond the shell of lust, and try to find inspiration from the story as a whole Majority would talk more about EC and AS, because they played the major part of the story. There's nothing to bitter about. 




 


 

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1 hour ago, kansas424 said:

 

Appreciate the reply, it's kinda weird that you're interested in story of RA, but find HN, HS, DM more compelling to date? I mean, none of them have direct link to the RA story-line as much as EC-AS which branched off to Potter, Seung Guil etc. If any of you actually watched EP 15, the RA camp esp the Potter has started to waver in his belief of the cause he's been fighting after confronted with EC and AS. Perhaps you guys were expecting more action scenes which literally only show action and nth else.....

I just feel that there's no need to bring down a character just for your favorite sake. To go as far as to use the word " hate" ?  (referring to the comments on DB). It's an extremely unfair remark nevertheless, i have never seen the other camps openly slam Dong Mae? That might change if they happened to visit DB though. The afore-statement made does not apply for all DM fans.

This drama has immense depth, it's time to look beyond the shell of lust, and try to find inspiration from the story as a whole Majority would talk more about EC and AS, because they played the major part of the story. There's nothing to bitter about. 
 

 

Why can't I? What is so weird about not getting what writer-nim trying to explain in any particular characters? Didn't I say I view things on a different angle. If you disagree, I have no issue about it. I won't even question it. I am just reading all the thoughts here and keep them in mind even though I may not agree to them or not seeing what others see. Yes, I am interested in the RA. But I find it slows in progressing and in the mean time I found interest in other characters presented. The RA starts to waver in the 15th ep, that's how slow I feel the RA plot is in the drama. Is that so weird? *shrug* I don't even find anything weird about the many written views here. They are all good reading materials.

 

Yes, my favorites are definitely DM, HN and Hotaru, and of late - HS, and Go elder but does that mean they are the reason for me to, using your word, 'bring down' your favorite? No. They are not. Get that one thing clear. Though if it makes you feel better to assume as such. So be it. That is your right. I am not going to question your liking for what your views are. They are those who appreciate DM, definitely but there are also his critics. And I agree with points from both camps. Some in DB do not feel AS not without a reason, as indicated earlier. If you do not share their sentiments, that's up to you, I understand because she may be your favourite. Those regular commenters at DB, they don't question/critic others who don't share their views. They just discuss the characters and what they find lacking or would expect more. Don't you think it is unfair also to treat as if their views on any characters or plots are flimsy just because they don't feel AS as much as others? Heck, some even root for this girl up until recently and some even grow to love her and some even still hope to see the best coming up for AS. I am enjoying all these comments, immensely. I am not sure why these comments are lost in between the rage at DB. I am also seeing grate and hate noise of annoyance on too many DM-related notes, even when those notes are sandwiched in between other worthwhile reads/ appreciation of other elements/characters from the drama. Funny, that.

 

We want to continue to root for this girl. Unfortunately, till ep 16 the character, at least to me, not showing any growth on the RA front but more on personal front. But again, that is just how I see it, flawed or not, that is my perspectives. Feel free to disagree. My expectation on this drama may be different than others. Nobody is going to shove anyone's favorite down anybody's throat. As you said, 'There's nothing to be bitter about'. 

 

Cheers!

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Oh come on, DB always gives one-sided reviews, not just for this drama, talking about 'bias' they like to maintain their opinions and like to drop the opinions of others, I have long since left the Dramabeans:)

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