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[Drama 2018] Mr. Sunshine, 미스터 션샤인 - Winner of Critics’ Choice Award for Drama category

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Mrsunshinenetflix echoing fans frustrations? Or is that a hint?

 

Kim Eun Seok, how could you cast Lee Byung Hun as the lead in your love story but not write a kiss scene for him? :D Since you are paying top dollars for him, you should not shortchanged yourself and fans by not having him do a kiss scene. :D

 

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@mistergenie. to me, she is suffering of post traumatic stress.

 

@charray and about this, for sure it is an hint. He hugged her back after he got angry for her aiming at him with the rfle at the potter place... I guess they will have the same pattern now. Or, better, I hope so....

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@charrayThe netflix account for another Asian city/country used the same image after  E18. Not a hint but full on trolling, I would say.

 

@marfisa

Possibly PTSD. They should have shown it better, given us  a peek inside her thoughts.

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@marfisa

 

Possibly PTSD but like @mistergenie said they should shown it better. 
The symptoms are similar but also discrepant. She has her own version of PTSD because she should not avoid people who can help her like Eugene (according to the script, he is untouchable and only gets into trouble through his own actions). Instead of healing, she only worsened her condition. 

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Hi Soompiers!  Now that I've somewhat cooled down after having watched the last 2 episodes (not entirely, but I'm not at the point where I'm about to post another radical reaction GIF :D), I have a few more thoughts on the overall progression, most of which are  (redundant) summation and/or additions of what I've mentioned in my previous posts.

 

Standard disclaimer:

1. Apologies in advance for the long post AND multiple quotes. 

2. Please let me know if I've missed any significant plot point and/or characterization.

 

10 hours ago, aurelionsol said:

Aeshin: There is always a way. 

 

She somehow treats it selectively. ...

 

Street: 

Aeshin disappears for 2 months after destroying her family. Eugene thoughts what hunter Hong said him in his room. 

Hong: She says you are further away than the sea. She insists on making her way to you. If she must go through wherever that may be, I hope you will be there for her. 

 

Aeshin show up after his request and they have arguing. She wants part ways and her companions are waiting for her. He's putting a firm attitude and asking her what about him? His desires dont matter to her? He says he will wait for her, which he does for the next six months. 

 

 

They meet after six months. She knows that he is leaving thanks to her master. I think he did him a favor and put her in a situation where she must make a choice. ...

 

AeShin must be aware that he was waiting for her. I'm curious if she keep her promise after completing the mission and go with him to US.  It seems that she missed him because she has tears in her eyes and noticed he doesn't look happy seeing her. Another thing to think about it and make a decision - fighter or love.

 

3 hours ago, mistergenie said:

@rubie IMHO, drastic is more apt than dramatic, specially the U-turn taken by  Ae Shin with regards to her relationship with Eugene. I have rewatched E15, E16 and E20 and Ae Shin's complete ghosting of Eugene for 6 months appears ludicrous and way out of left field on second viewing...

 

How can the show expect me to believe that Ae Shin has completely removed EC from her heart? That she wants him to forget about her? That she no longer wants to walk beside him? That she wants to part ways? Am I to believe that just because her family got destroyed, all love and feelings for EC left her heart? Even EC lost his second father, his only family, so to speak? Did he close himself off from her?  Also, Joseon was always headed towards more and more danger, come what may - so how can the excuse of Joseon being in more danger now be used by Ae Shin to justify her ghosting of EC?...

 

So why ghost him? Why ignore his feelings? Her own feelings?...

 

Does she feel guilty to be in love after what happened to her family? Does she have a death wish now? Is that why she doesn't want Eugene to be involved (and when Eugene insists that he will follow wherever she is headed,she says to him  - "but I want you to live") - this line by her is the only sliver of justification that we get in E20 that could possibly explain her actions - that she fully expects to die and doesn't want to drag Eugene down with her - but if that is her justification, then IMO, it is not shown well nor is it articulated well by the show writers. All of this brings me back to one of my previous posts - the show really stumbled by not showing her POV, her inner thoughts during her absence. Not doing this, left many viewers with whiplash about her 180o turn.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Hi @aurelionsol and  @mistergenie.  Btw, I apologize for cutting/modified parts of your post by replacing some of your passages with ...

 

After rewatching Ep. 20 and rereading recaps of all the past episodes (mainly Ep. 20, but still...), I'm still rather as perplexed as both of you over how KES apparently "ghosted" AS' POV for the past 6 months, particularly regarding EC.  Still, l'm giving KES a benefit of a doubt regarding how the final scene of Ep. 20 will continue during the first few or so minutes of Ep. 21, as well as the rest of the series; for that recent confrontation between AS and EC cannot just end with EC accusing AS of blurting "I'll go to America with you" without conviction and thus dragging him down for her cause in Joseon independence through lies/pretense/deception.  That is not the sentiment or (mis)understanding that should be conveyed between the two characters who've developed a meaningful, mutual communication and connection throughout this drama, especially now that Japan is getting closer to conquering Joseon Korea and the rest of the Joseon people, including the Joseon king/emperor and the RA, are more-or-less turning on each other and thus not able to trust anyone.

 

Sure, AS probably feels more unsettled about her own personal future, safety, and/or happiness ever since she (and her family) now lost her life and security as a Joseon noblewoman right after her grandfather's/Lord Go's death.  Perhaps, also, she's afraid of losing more of her loved ones in her fight for Joseon independence, especially someone like EC who, up until he met her (and DM, HS, Gunner Jang, etc.), questioned his ties with Joseon Korea both as a U.S. soldier and a former Joseon slave who lost his parents to an unforgiving Joseon class discrimination.

 

On one hand, I am actually relieved and pleased that AS evolved past her initial naive, romanticized notion of Joseon independence and is now coming to terms with the brutal, harsh realities of the everyday Joseon affairs, the actions/decisions of the RA (not so sure about Joseon politics), and the impending Japanese annexation of Joseon Korea.  While I'd prefer that AS' sobering realization and impulsive actions as a Joseon fighter wasn't exacerbated by her grandfather's/Lord Go's death and the late WI's actions against her family (i.e., shooting down AS' grandfather's/Lord Go's funeral procession), at least AS became more aware of her overall lot in life as a fugitive guerrilla fighter even though she insisted on carrying on with her fight in Joseon rather than escape with her family to Manchuria.

 

On the other hand, I am disheartened that AS would consider leading EC on with false promises of leaving with him to the U.S. while actually using him to sneak into Japan.  What ever happened to the forthright AS who earnestly declared her feelings and beliefs (albeit naive and romanticized, at first) about what (i.e., Joseon independence) and who (i.e., EC) meant greatly to her while impulsively defending those that/who mattered to her?  Unless I'm mistaken, that's the AS whom EC (and, to a lesser extent, DM and HS) cared for and respected so much that he would listen to and then consider whatever she said and/or did while honestly telling her what he believes needs to be addressed on his end (i.e., his past background as a Joseon slave and his skepticism towards AS' fight for Joseon that more-or-less disregards the slave and butcher class).

 

Whenever AS and EC directly addressed to each other whatever's going on in their own mind, heart, and conscience (however misguided, jaded, or shortsighted their thoughts or feelings might seem to the other), they would learn from the other how to:

1. Reconsider that prior notions (i.e., AS' initial cause for Joseon independence and EC' past misgivings toward Joseon), 

2. Contemplate (and sometimes act on) alternatives for their current and future prospects in or outside Joseon, and

3. Most importantly, trust and confide in each other.

 

As I stated in my last post, AS and EC should discuss with each other whatever's been going on with them during the last six months or so, as well as their perspectives on their current and future circumstances in (and outside) Joseon.  Even if it's not something they would agree on right away or in the long run (i.e., based on my limited understanding of an otherwise misleading Ep. 21 preview, AS probably told EC to flee to the U.S. while she remains in Joseon despite EC's insistence on staying by her side to protect her and/or join her cause), they owe it both to themselves and to each other the honest truth about their own perspectives.  Odds are, one or both may postulate another rhetorical question (like EC's earlier question to AS regarding the fate of the disadvantaged people in the Joseon AS's fighting for), thus enlightening them to consider all other options for their individual and/or mutual future and safety that they otherwise couldn't have thought of due to the constant turmoil over the Korea/Japan conflict and the impending departure of the U.S. from Korea.  Furthermore, neither AS nor EC (or any other character, for that matter) should ever have to bear the individual burdens alone, especially if they still have each other to turn to for confiding and support.

 

Now, I am aware that we Soompiers have different thoughts regarding the fates of all the major characters, especially AS and EC.  Some want AS to escape Joseon with EC (if, hopefully, he survives) and continue her fight for Joseon independence in other countries like China or the U.S.    Some want EC to stay by AS' side in her (and ultimately their) fight for Joseon Independence, whether it's in Korea or in other countries like China.  Some would prefer that AS, if forced to choose between her love for EC or her fight for Joseon independence, eventually renounce her long-ingrained but virtually losing battle, consider first and foremost her safety, future, and happiness (with EC, if he survives), and escape from Joseon altogether.  Some want AS to stick with her beliefs and cause with or without EC.  And I'm sure there are more POVs about the fates of AS, EC, and other characters that I did not include here.

 

As for me, I want any potential hostility and/or separation due to misunderstanding between AS and EC in recent events to cease and desist, given that there are only 4 episodes left to conclude the story arcs/growth of at least 5 major characters in a tumultuous Joseon period before the official Japanese annexation of Korea.  I want AS and EC to be honest to both themselves and to each other regarding their own insight on their overall current plight in Joseon, their future prospects in or outside Joseon, and their awareness of potential short-term and/or long-term consequences of their decisions and actions regarding all this matter.  Last but not least, I want AS and EC to listen to and then contemplate the other's insight on all these issues without rushing him/her to respond immediately.  Only then, they could move forward with respecting and/or challenging the other's POV and choosing their own and/or mutual road of destiny.  As much as I'd want a happy ending for AS and EC (and other characters who deserve a happy ending), for their sake in such an unforgiving, tragic historical time period in Joseon, I'll be happy if AS and EC can still remain forthright, mindful, and trustful with each other no matter what path they take.

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@ Rubie

 

I like your assessment of their relationship. I think i understand why AS 'dumps' EC after all of the love talk to this point. DM was right in some respects that she is a spoiled noble with no clue. AS could never have imagined that her family would be the target of the Japanese. She was naive that the fight was for a broader Joseon but when it hit so close to home, literally, her world was distroyed. When the fight came to her door and her family viciously attacked specifically to capture HER, she finally grew up. She knew that if she went to EC he would follow her and it would put him in danger. She is protecting him. When she did visit  to EC he didnt have previous information about her and therefor he was safer in her eyes.

 

Also, it gave me chills when Takeshi added EC to the RA/hit list! Maybe AS has a point about staying clear of EC.

 

As for others stating that we dont get AS's  POV, I think that will come in the next episodes just as we were given glimpses of the trip to the beach over several episodes. I think the next one or two will be more AS focused and hopefully we see what she's been up to these past six months! 

 

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@aurelionsol @mistergenie I am under the impression that is a precise choice of the writer not to show what happened to AeShin during those months. It adds pain, as if we haven’t had enough watching Eugene’s despair. The writer wants us to feel like Eugene...

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@mistergenie @KDramaLogic @marfisa @linygirl1  

 

If I haven't mentioned someone, excuse me...

 

Lads: Sir, we saw Lee Wan Ik's obituary. It made us realise that LVI's isn't only enemy of Joseon in its present situation. Please accept us back, sir. We wish to plan a greater revenge for Joseon.  

Eugene: Is everyone, including you lads, moving on to a greater world after the collapse of a smaller one? (he looks to the side and I have the impression that he is thinking about Aeshin)

Lads: Please accept us back

Eugene: All right, then.

 

 

Do you remember the picture where one of them is in Japanese uniform? I have the impression that he is one of those who survived the massacre of cadets in the academy when Aeshin want entry on the train (we see only her in white western dress and maybe Eugene is close?) ... they will blow up a weapons warehouse or kill many Japanese soldiers? Long planned action in the act of revenge even though they give the impression that they went to the enemy side.

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11 minutes ago, marfisa said:

@aurelionsol @mistergenie I am under the impression that is a precise choice of the writer not to show what happened to AeShin during those months. It adds pain, as if we haven’t had enough watching Eugene’s despair. The writer wants us to feel like Eugene...

 

I understand, but then again, focusing on the situation only through Eugene's despair is a great disservice to Ae Shin's character. We want to see what Ae Shin is feeling too because she is equally important in this story. Leaving her feelings/emotions out of this situation somehow makes it incomplete/flawed.

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@mistergenie perhaps, we will see some flashback on those months later in the next episode.  Till now, I see that a characteristic of the plot is that is never easy to guess what will happen, and it becomes more and more intricate

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@linygirl1 Welcome back to the thread. Good to read your thoughts, keep on posting & joining in, ok. It's @mistergenie and others who are doing a good job dissecting the (current)AS and EC relationship. There's still so many aspects that have not been explained by the drama.. hopefully in the remaining 4 episodes (sobs! it's almost ending), there will be some light shining the unclear decision taken by our heroine. So far, I think, the flashbacks have been enlightening and helpful.. which is what we need to further understand & appreciate the plight of the nameless RA fighters.

 

September 13, 2018

 

Righteous Army: The Joseon spirit feared by Japan

 

Source: Sports Donga ++

 

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All credit to Chungmuro Crumb

 

 

The lyrics has words : "If you like me, if you want me, please look at me. Don't worry about me. It's easy to do that alone"

 

Welp! More sadness on the way. Song lyrics definitely echoing Ae Shin's state of mind. Part of me wants to take a step back now, wait until E24 airs and then binge the last 4 episodes in one go but being this emotionally invested in the show makes me weak and without self control - deep down, I know that I will never be able to stay away from spoilers or the discussions that follow after.

 

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@mistergenie

 

 

I would like Aeshin to go to the US. It suits me more that from time to time she returns to the occupied country with money to support RA, she can kill some high-ranking officer and thanks to the American status, help refugees leave the country. She takes a little risk while being married to Eugene, but it's better than runs in the forest with a gun. At some point, the Japanese army had 2 million soldiers. Will she kill them all?

She cant distinguish between being useful and vengeance.

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7 minutes ago, aurelionsol said:

@mistergenie

 

 

I would like Aeshin to go to the US. It suits me more that from time to time she returns to the occupied country with money to support RA, she can kill some high-ranking officer and thanks to the American status, help refugees leave the country. She takes a little risk while being married to Eugene, but it's better than ran in the forest with a gun. At some point, the Japanese army had 4 million soldiers. Will she kill them all?

She cant distinguish between being useful and vengeance.

 

At this point, considering the direction of the drama, America ain't happening. It only ever was a futile hope.

 

The bare optimism that I can scrounge at this point, is holding a teeny tiny bit of  hope for some kind of future for EC/AS in Shanghai. Otherwise, all available signs portend doom(for the character/s) and gloom (for us , the viewers).

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1 hour ago, mistergenie said:

 

At this point, considering the direction of the drama, America ain't happening. It only ever was a futile hope.

 

The bare optimism that I can scrounge at this point, is holding a teeny tiny bit of  hope for some kind of future for EC/AS in Shanghai. Otherwise, all available signs portend doom(for the character/s) and gloom (for us , the viewers).

 

I said it in previous posts. Her behavior is detached from reality and she does not behave like a mature 30-year-old woman (now maybe she has a problem - PTSD, shock after losing home and family and we need some flashbacks? I hope that she will fix and stabilize the point of view in last 4 episodes - be together/spending some time with EC when he will follow her, help and protect). This relationship was not needed for anything as she is going to stupidly die, (uses him?) and leave Eugene in pain. Unless she brings them both to death... 

The relationship is another chance (love, life) and many possibilities in a modern and strong country. There are many ways to help the occupied country.

 

"Let the plot flies with the forced script... and suicide mission to Japan?

Anyway, I'll see what they came up with in the last episodes. Im beginning to fear the end of the series."

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I think Ae Shin had a shock losing her grandfather and seeing his family/home being attacked. She saw HS and Haman nearly died in front of her eyes. Then there's the news of Hong Pa being killed. Not fully realizing it, AS probably shuts down for awhile and stayed away from Eugene. Even if EC is a capable soldier, AS perhaps thought it's best to stay away of each other's way till things cool down. She doesn't want to lose him (which we assumes that AS just like EC, longing for each other). But now with LJM being kidnapped bringing a threat to RA and news of EC leaving Joseon, presented an idea to AS. Well, we don't know what's really the plan in her mind but together again with EC (for whatever reason now) will help him put some sense & perspective to their relationship. It's not all rosy and happy like we've seen before but the hard reality kicking in. With just ES and the others, it's all technical and RA stuff. AS is a big girl but by herself, she no longer has the company of Haman or Gunner Jang or EC to help stabilize her emotional shock. She may look cold, composed and all.. but she's lonely and desperate to fulfill her mission as an RA fighter. Could be totally different from how KES would portray Ae Shin finding her purpose and not just waiting for the inevitable to happen.

 

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I don’t think it is wrong of Ae Shin to want to continue her fight for the cause of Joseon. Her grandfather and parents gave up their lives for  Joseon too. She has to hide and lie low as she is on the hit list of the Japanese now. I feel the reason that she wanted to go separate ways with Eugene is driven more by concern for his  safety and to a lesser extent by the need to focus on the dangerous task in front of her. 

 

While her request to Eugene to take her away to America is to use the opportunity  to go to Japan on her suicide mission, I feel she is also using this opportunity to get Eugene to leave Joseon and return to America somehow, again for his safety. 

 

Of course Eugene will know that she had other plans and had no intention to leave for America with him. I am anticipating to see how he will react to her plans.

 

I can’t really hate Ae Shin. I feel she still has him in her heart and she still loves him dearly despite everything. 

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I'm sure Ae Shin really loves Eugene (if not more than ever).. or she wouldn't risk herself going back to get that music box from TM's room. But now, she's at a dilemma.. she probably doesn't see how she could have both -- be a part of RA and be with Eugene without compromising each other. Because she is fighting for Joseon and she belongs in Joseon,  not for another nation (like Eugene), she chooses her country over him.

 

September 13, 2018

 

Sejeong to release track for ‘Mr. Sunshine’

 

Girl group Gugudan’s Sejeong is set to release an original track for tvN drama series “Mr. Sunshine” on Sunday.

 

According to the officials of the show on Thursday, the 13th track produced originally for “Mr. Sunshine” will be released on local digital music platforms on Sunday at 6 p.m.

 

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(Jellyfish Entertainment)

 

The song, “Lover,” is a piano melody that blends Sejeong’s husky voice and delicate expression of emotion. It is to heighten the grief-stricken situations of the show’s two main characters. The heartbreaking lyrics added to Sejeong’s powerful yet sentimental voice reportedly portray the heartbreaking emotion. 

 

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(CJ ENM)

 

TvN’s 24-episode historical drama series “Mr. Sunshine” concerns a high-positioned Korean-American at the US Legation during the Joseon era, before Japan’s colonial rule of 1910-45.

 

By Kim Hye-soo (clairek@heraldcorp.com)

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time to change the subject - we will see soon what will happen between AS / EC

 

 

Thoughts

 

Anyone something better than this? Hotaru crying and the sword in the hands of DM must means something? DM pulls out a sword in one of the scenes and in another Aeshin is attacked by few mens with (swords?)

 

Hotaru was a spy (Musin leader), she sent a message about Aeshin's (whereabouts after DM/AS meeting) or even maybe she sent swordsmen who are not DM people? If Aeshin's dies, DM will stop risking (we all know how much she means to him). 
Hotaru is not aware that she is risking her life if this is truth (It can be a sad ending to their relationship as a siblings) and DM probably will go to help Aeshin's and kill those who are chasing her (he protects - Lord Go) or he discovered after the fight that it was her job.  

 

 

mixed scenes, blurred, not clear in this preview :/

 

 

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5 hours ago, charray said:

 

I don’t think it is wrong of Ae Shin to want to continue her fight...............<end>

 

I can’t really hate Ae Shin. I feel she still has him in her heart and she still loves him dearly despite everything. 

Don't think anyone here hates her at all. She is quite an awesome character. Agreed on the second part - we know she loves him dearly - why else would she steal that music box back from Takashi? Why else would she say this "but I want you to live." and why else would she be so visibly affected when Eugene says that it feels like he will die if he doesn't see her. BUT, that being said, we needed more insight into her mind about her feelings for Eugene - specially in those 6 months she was missing after her meeting with him where she promised she would let him know where she would be and did not keep that promise at all. So, I can understand Eugene's resentment (which is rooted in love) towards her.

 

I don’t think it is wrong of Ae Shin to want to continue her fight for the cause of Joseon.

Full agreement here.

 

She has to hide and lie low as she is on the hit list of the Japanese now.

I get that but it cannot be an excuse for ghosting Eugene for 6 months. The least she could have done was a letter or two per month, send messages via trusted folk like the baker, Su Mi etc. She loves him but leaves him worrying like that for 6 months? Not done.

 

I feel the reason that she wanted to go separate ways with Eugene is driven more by concern for his  safety.

The show only put in one single throwaway line that could indicate this - "but I want you to live" but it never showed more into Ae Shin's frame of mind and her inner thoughts about Eugene.

 

While her request to Eugene to take her away to America is to use the opportunity  to go to Japan on her suicide mission, I feel she is also using this opportunity to get Eugene to leave Joseon and return to America somehow, again for his safety. 

Whether Ae Shin came back after 6 months or not, it does not matter. Eugene would have had to go back to the US, once the transfer order came. Her coming back into his life is bound to backfire because it will give him impetus to stay and try to be there for her.

She may believe that she will send him on his way to the US while she goes through with the dangerous mission in Japan,  but how can she not know deep down that he will not be going at all once he sees what she is up to? She knows very well how much he loves her and how much he desires to walk alongside her on her path/mission, so why involve him in the first place if his safety was her one and only concern?

It's not like there was a shortage of volunteers in the RA willing to go to Japan - other RA members spoke before her and were ready to go. So, why take on the mission with the plan to use Eugene(despite concern for his safety) in the first place when she could have easily sat back and let the other RA members do the job?

 

Of course Eugene will know that she had other plans and had no intention to leave for America with him. I am anticipating to see how he will react to her plans.

Eugene knows. Definitely. Yet, we all know he will still walk with her to hell and back. Not for nothing was his dialog from E09 repeated again: "She is very cruel. Where do I lie between her passion (Joseon) and cruelty(not caring what this is doing to Eugene who loves her)? I thought I was close (as in close enough to invoke the same passion for him that she has for Joseon) but i might have to go even further(he still has to keep pushing/walking toward her). One more step, into the flame(the flame here is obviously Ae Shin).

 

All this talk of flame and walking towards it makes me think - is Eugene destined to be a moth? Can't help but be drawn closer and closer to the flame(AS) until he ends up destroying himself(death) while protecting and/or helping her during a mission? Will his fate be like that of a moth? Or will he end up being like wax/gasoline/wick that not only helps the flame(AS) shine brighter(mission successes) but also burn for an extended time (stay alive longer)? Point to ponder.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, aurelionsol said:

 DM probably will go to help Aeshin's and kill those who are chasing her (he protects - Lord Go) or he discovered after the fight that it was her job.  

mixed scenes, blurred, not clear in this preview :/

 

 

When those men are attacking Ae Shin, there's a super quick frame of the last man in that blurry pile, pushing one of the men attacking her - my theory is that the newly arrived Japanese yakuza will be the ones to attack her and Dong Mae will end up protecting her and they both get help in the form of more of Dong Mae's men arriving and fighting off and killing the attackers. Maybe Hotaru intentionally or unintentionally leaks info about Ae Shin's whereabouts when AS comes to visit Dong Mae to give him his coin payment/s. We can clearly see that AS is dressed in her customary dark suit when she is being attacked - the same dark suit she is in when she meets Dong Mae/points a gun at him and the same one she is wearing when she is pointing her gun at someone from a rooftop.

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