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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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11 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Yes, cb told gty something about Bai family youngest son. Is he a new suitor for ml?ML rejected dr he bcoz of the cousin. Qh went to the south.. For what? 

 

Above, I already posted the translation of that conversation between GTY and CB. There is no Bai family. It is Bai Shi Tang (name of district which is part of capital Bian Jing). I didn’t see anything about QH in the trailer in YouTube.

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11 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Yes, cb told gty something about Bai family youngest son. Is he a new suitor for ml?ML rejected dr he bcoz of the cousin. Qh went to the south.. For what? 

 

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I’m thinking it’s to get experiences and gain merits? And then try for ML again??  Cause there’s a couple of scenes where he’s got more backbone, more mature, there were soldiers or guards too. Also another scene where the person he was yelling at was turned around but it looked like GTY.  I know at one point in one of the trailers he tells GTY that GTY is not good enough for ML.

 

2 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

Above, I already posted the translation of that conversation between GTY and CB. There is no Bai family. It is Bai Shi Tang (name of district which is part of capital Bian Jing). I didn’t see anything about QH in the trailer in YouTube.

@Golden Flower the one on Weibo had QH talking to his parents at the end of the trailer.

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19 hours ago, nichiwoohee said:

I cant believe we still havent got any lovey dovey scenes between the two leads yet :sweatingbullets: drama better repay us twice the romance after the wedding!

 

Yaaa... I dont understand why the producer and director are so stingy to show us the lovey dovey scenes.. Hahahahaha... It's 34 eps already and I hope we dont have to wait until ep 50 just to see more love between the lead.. They have lack of scripts together. So many side characters unnecessary scenes like Sheng Hong and Linniang lovey dovey scenes.. Makes me wanna puke..

 

4 hours ago, Maria Brimstone said:

 

I'm pretty sure she didn't die? I think she was just sent to a rural area to live. Stupid father couldn't even bear to have her beaten too much =.=

 

Yaa.. That stupid father.. He don't even get angry sincerely when he saw ML's injured face.. During the hitting scenes in front ancestors tablet, I feel like snatching the rod and continue hitting him instead.. LOL.. Sorry I sound crazy, but ML's father really pissed me off..

 

3 hours ago, Maria Brimstone said:

 

I think it seemed to emphasize that she had a headache or was super stressed out or something. Maybe the stone on it was for a cooling effect? I have no clue lol

 

ROTFLOL... This comment really made my day.. Maybe we should use one like that to cure our headache watching dramas.. LOL

 

3 hours ago, Jackie1048 said:

Based to the clips of spoilers, it seemed both Qi Heng's proud mother and Molan will have to beg Ming Lan in the later part for the safety of their family or themselves. Ming Lan answered Qi Heng's mother request but refused Molan as she got what she deserved.

 

With Gu Ting Ye's ranking with the new Emperor, Ming Lan becomed a 1st Grade Her Ladyship. This will bring the highest honour even to her own family.

 

Good, Im so glad ML refuse Molan.. Let her deal with her own karma.. Why bother helping someone sooo greedy like her..

 

54 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

So she's just ignorant towards everything at the first half of the novel then? 

Lol. The eat well sleep well bit is being maintained in the show it seems. 

ML always struggles to wake up for classes, at first I thought it was just a front she puts up, but then she really didn't wanna wake up even at Youyang. The couz had to drag her out of bed! :lol:

 

And U can tell she loves her food. Lol. Suddenly she wasn't so sick anymore when dr.he brought her fav fish soup! 

 

That's why I dont want to compare the novel and drama... Let us see how the drama creates ML character.. So far, I like both variation.. It's just when they are too many canon fodder scripts and scenes, the drama felt a bit dragging.. 

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6 minutes ago, hello210 said:
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I’m thinking it’s to get experiences and gain merits? And then try for ML again??  Cause there’s a couple of scenes where he’s got more backbone, more mature, there were soldiers or guards too. Also another scene where the person he was yelling at was turned around but it looked like GTY.  I know at one point in one of the trailers he tells GTY that GTY is not good enough for ML.

 

@Golden Flower the one on Weibo had QH talking to his parents at the end of the trailer.

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13 minutes ago, lyaarisa said:

 

 

 

Yaaa... I dont understand why the producer and director are so stingy to show us the lovey dovey scenes.. Hahahahaha... It's 34 eps already and I hope we dont have to wait until ep 50 just to see more love between the lead.. They have lack of scripts together. So many side characters unnecessary scenes like Sheng Hong and Linniang lovey dovey scenes.. Makes me wanna puke..

 

 

Yaa.. That stupid father.. He don't even get angry sincerely when he saw ML's injured face.. During the hitting scenes in front ancestors tablet, I feel like snatching the rod and continue hitting him instead.. LOL.. Sorry I sound crazy, but ML's father really pissed me off..

 

 

ROTFLOL... This comment really made my day.. Maybe we should use one like that to cure our headache watching dramas.. LOL

 

 

Good, Im so glad ML refuse Molan.. Let her deal with her own karma.. Why bother helping someone sooo greedy like her..

 

 

That's why I dont want to compare the novel and drama... Let us see how the drama creates ML character.. So far, I like both variation.. It's just when they are too many canon fodder scripts and scenes, the drama felt a bit dragging.. 

 

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27 minutes ago, hello210 said:
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I’m thinking it’s to get experiences and gain merits? And then try for ML again??  Cause there’s a couple of scenes where he’s got more backbone, more mature, there were soldiers or guards too. Also another scene where the person he was yelling at was turned around but it looked like GTY.  I know at one point in one of the trailers he tells GTY that GTY is not good enough for ML.

 

@Golden Flower the one on Weibo had QH talking to his parents at the end of the trailer.

 

Coming from QH that is quite rich..

24 minutes ago, lyaarisa said:

 

 

ROTFLOL... This comment really made my day.. Maybe we should use one like that to cure our headache watching dramas.. LOL

 

 

Good, Im so glad ML refuse Molan.. Let her deal with her own karma.. Why bother helping someone sooo greedy like her..

 

 

That's why I dont want to compare the novel and drama... Let us see how the drama creates ML character.. So far, I like both variation.. It's just when they are too many canon fodder scripts and scenes, the drama felt a bit dragging.. 

 

The book had way less exciting scenes and way less scenes between ML and GTY , if the show was following the book it would be dragging. If anything they added more scenes to satisfy but not enough it seems xd, the scenes added were to make drama more interesting and exciting the book had less obviously. 

 

The show was draggy at the start but its been good the since like episode 20 for me at least. 

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On 1/10/2019 at 10:00 AM, Golden Flower said:

Although I quoted one of the recent posts, I was not commenting solely on that post. There are many posts from a few days ago saying QH’s mom being cunning, manipulative and trying to shame the grandmom and I was trying to point out that it is not the case and the situation will not turn out really bad making grandmom angry if ML and her grandmom did not hear wrong information from QH in advance that his parents would propose ML’s hands. 

What I meant was the drama did not explain/portray well the societal/family norms of the time,

@Golden FlowerAlthough the drama is way beyond this episode, after a rewatch and seeing a broader view of the political landscape of that time, I agree that QH mom, Duchess Qi's intentions were to save her family and not harm the Shengs. This was not even about status bias anymore as that is minor compared to family survival. In earlier episodes the 3rd Sheng brother was heard mouthing off his support of Yong as the heir to the throne. His father Hong Sheng was punished by the emperor as an example to other families. I deduce that the emperor by his actions indicated then that he was not in favor of Yong or Yong's campaign to become the next emperor. In these latest episodes Duchess Qi is shown kneeling and beseeching the empress or emperor's consort? calling her "mother "to help her appeal to Consort Yong to allow her to see her husband Duke Qi who has been missing. Little did the young innocent lovebirds know that their playing together at the polo match might have ignited a simmering political contest into a political war. The Qi family derive their power from the duchess relationship with the emperor. The family of Princess Rong seems to have the same political view as the Duchess and supports the emperor's decision. We are not shown yet if the emperor has a candidate in mind to oppose Yong. So, the duchess wants to betroth the Yuan Ruo and make an alliance with a stronger family with the same political outlook. Prince Yong cuts off the connection and shoots 2 birds with one stone. He shames the Rong family with the daughter who committed suicide and forces Qi family to bethroth Yuan Ruo with their daughter when he abducted Duke Qi. The Qi family now draws the enmity of the Rongs and are now standing between a rock and a hard place. Now we know why the duchess is desperate. I also agree that Yuan Rou telling Ming Lan that his mother will visit to propose when his mother never promised him any such thing, created some friction between the 2 families. I always thought that Yuan Ruo was in his twenties as he was taking the imperial exam together with the older guys that he was just a bit younger but I am reading that he was 17 at this time in the drama. Now, I understand his impulsiveness. 

 

I am wondering, if the future episodes will show Yuan Rou and Ting Ye standing on the opposite sides of the political playing field or if Yuan Ruo will ditch his princess bride and join Ting Ye's side.  

 

Question: So, a shu daughter or a concubine not be allowed to manage the household according to the rules, but are they allowed to share in the inheritance just like the shu sons? Can the concubine be given land and property by the "husband" as Linniang told her Molan? 

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6 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

@Golden FlowerAI also agree that Yuan Rou telling Ming Lan that his mother will visit to propose when his mother never promised him any such thing, created some friction between the 2 families. I always thought that Yuan Ruo was in his twenties as he was taking the imperial exam together with the older guys that he was just a bit younger but I am reading that he was 17 at this time in the drama. Now, I understand his impulsiveness. 

 

 

 

Regarding this but his mum still knew what she was doing it simply wasn't QH mishearing of misunderstanding after she said they will visit the shengs. Its obvious she wanted him to think it was marriage when it was not and she killed Buwei this is why ill forever hate her but also pity the family's situation . 

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

 

I know Molan was a bish but i still would have thought ML would help her due to sister bonds but ofc she would help QH family thats just how she is. 

Knowing Molan’s nature, Minglan would be the last person on earth she would seek help. Most likely she asked the Sheng household for help but refused her. Since their family refused to help her. Minglan shouldn’t step forth to offer help making it look shameful their family didn’t help. 

 

Now now we are here for friendly debate. Haha but I agree with you that the drama would be boring if it followed the book 100%. It seems they may skip GTY first main wife hopefully and I’m glad because I feel that would be unnecessary scenes, since GTY has already been introduced from beginning there’s no need to drag out his misfortunes in love. LOL Also it would seem like everything Minglan got was all due to fate/because of people’s choices evebts leading to another. Without her doing anything. It’s good to see early on our heroine having achievements because unlike the book we don’t get a glimpse of her thought process. We need to see what makes her the heroine of the novel. What made her story more fascinating from the rest of the oppressed woman in that time. And why she is able to attain a happy marriage and life.

I believe that’s the beauty of watching a live action of a book because we get to see the interpretation of the directors POV. 

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6 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

Knowing Molan’s nature, Minglan would be the last person on earth she would seek help. Most likely she asked the Sheng household for help but refused her. Since their family refused to help her. Minglan shouldn’t step forth to offer help making it look shameful their family didn’t help. 

 

Now now we are here for friendly debate. Haha but I agree with you that the drama would be boring if it followed the book 100%. It seems they may skip GTY first main wife hopefully and I’m glad because I feel that would be unnecessary scenes, since GTY has already been introduced from beginning there’s no need to drag out his misfortunes in love. LOL Also it would seem like everything Minglan got was all due to fate/because of people’s choices evebts leading to another. Without her doing anything. It’s good to see early on our heroine having achievements because unlike the book we don’t get a glimpse of her thought process. We need to see what makes her the heroine of the novel. What made her story more fascinating from the rest of the oppressed woman in that time. And why she is able to attain a happy marriage and life.

I believe that’s the beauty of watching a live action of a book because we get to see the interpretation of the directors POV. 

 

Yeah im glad the first wife of GTY was kept out as well the drama is flowing better and they introduced GTY way earlier and gave him more scene's which should make everyone happy. 

 

Even though some dislike some of the ML change's this drama reminds me of NIF which funny enough has some of the people who did that show doing ML. The story is just so real and human like without big crazy plot twists its just a good family drama showing the life's of good characters. 

 

I personally like slower plot's where you see the details and interesting talk's and a good build up story wise. 

 

Director Zhang Kaizhou who is known for his works in Love Me If You Dare and Battle of Changsha is such a amazing director and deserves praise. 

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20 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

 

I am wondering, if the future episodes will show Yuan Rou and Ting Ye standing on the opposite sides of the political playing field or if Yuan Ruo will ditch his princess bride and join Ting Ye's side.  

 

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The Princess bride doesn’t make it through the rebellion so QH will be a widower. :)

 

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

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Those envelopes were not deeds to the properties. He was bragging to CB about official families sending him marriage proposal letters. 

CB then said it is national mourning period (former emperor passed). GTY said these marriage seekers do not care about mourning time inviting him to dine with them, some are even saying their families had marriage agreement since he was a child and even showing affections towards his daughter Rong Jie Er. He was so afraid that he had to run away picking up RJE with excuse to go to toilet. Then, he asked CB jokingly (I’m pretty sure he was trying to test the water and probing him for info on ML) how come your Sheng family is not proposing marriage to me with the girls. CB then said you’re thinking so good of yourself, his mom is planning marriage for Rulan with his cousin (his maternal uncle’s son) and ML’s marriage depends on grandma’s decision and that grandma has been planning her marriage with younger son of He family from Bai Shi Tang (district part of city). That’s why I mentioned earlier that GTY got info on ML’s marriage from CB. 

 

 

 

 

Shows how materialistic the world is. 

Not long ago only were they berating him for being a good for nothing unfilial son. A shame for the family. 

Good thing GTY sees through them too. 

That when he was down and out, only nanny, CB and ML believed in him. 

While everyone else was just keeping a distance from him. Including the Qi clan. 

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2 hours ago, hello210 said:
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Found it. The stepmom and family doing a 180 on their attitude now that GTY is back with honor SMH. And of course his talk with CB. That’s how he found out about ML &  Doc He right?

It also sounded like QH may want to try again?  

@Golden Flower @leeza77

Not QH...

Could be alone here, but I'm not keen to see QH try again. ML seemed "damaged" enough after the first rejection...

 

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1 hour ago, zenya22 said:

In earlier episodes the 3rd Sheng brother was heard mouthing off his support of Yong as the heir to the throne. His father Hong Sheng was punished by the emperor as an example to other families. I deduce that the emperor by his actions indicated then that he was not in favor of Yong or Yong's campaign to become the next emperor.

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Question: So, a shu daughter or a concubine not be allowed to manage the household according to the rules, but are they allowed to share in the inheritance just like the shu sons? Can the concubine be given land and property by the "husband" as Linniang told her Molan? 

I’m sorry I cut some of your post and just left your question so that the post didn’t become too long. 

Actually, it is Yan Wang (not Yong Wang) that Sheng Feng (3rd son) and his friends were supporting and got reported to emperor. You might have remembered it wrong as both names start with Y. I have posted about rebellion situation from the trailer in previous page also. Yong Wang, who has many sons and half a year older than Yan Wang, has only one daughter who is QH's wife now (not sure they're brothers or cousins). Yong Wang was the one that emperor was planning to give the throne to. It was said that Yong Wang left to perform ancestor's rite on behalf of emperor when QH requested to see him. It is the indication that Yong W will be next emperor as performing ancestral rite on behalf of emperor indicates he has been trusted with most important task. That's the another reason QH's family cannot offend Yong W and that's why in my earlier post, I said that GTY's suggestion of abducting Jiacheng princess and keeping her away till after QH gets married to ML is not going to work. If Yong Wang became emperor, he will kill both QH and ML families even if it can't be proved that QH was involved. (Of course, luck was on.GTY's side and Yong Wang didn't become emperor. So, people can say that QH will regret for not taking GTY's advice and help. In that time and situation, it is impossible not to believe Yong W won't become emperor). Then, there is Long Fei who is on Yan Wang's side and that's why in trailer, QH's mom was tormented by Long Fei when Yan Wang was forcing emperor to abdicate the throne to him. The third one is Zhao Zhong Quan (GTY's party) who is just an official in Yu Zhou who is the son of emperor's cousin. We have to wait for epi 35 to see what happened to Yong Wang (from trailer, his daughter died). So, at this point, I'm not sure how the drama is going to turn out. 

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In the book, there are 4 princess involved for the throne and there were two rebellions. First involved 3rd and 4th (Yan Wang) and 6th prince Yong Wang wasn’t in the running for the throne. His wife and daughter got raped and died during 1st rebellion but he survived. After 8th prince became new emperor, 6th rebelled later and GTY and QH could have been on opposing party but I don’t think it was mentioned. For drama, we cannot tell since there are only three candidates and might be only one rebellion.

Both di and Shu daughters are going to be sent off to marry after they turned 15. So, they cannot inherit anything except their dowry. Shu daughter usually gets less dowry than di daughters as the main wife usually supplement her own dowry more for her own daughters. The concubine mothers might or might not have their own dowry. In Song Dynasty, women has right to own properties (not in Qing) since they usually manage their own dowry like shops and farms. So, Yes, concubines can own properties though it is not usually given by husband (not common practice) as husband’s family property is supposed to common income for the whole family expenses. You know not all concubines are poor. For higher officials, their concubines might be Shu daughters of junior officials and they would have brought in their own dowry. From the literature and the book, Shu daughters could be sold off as concubines for money or position if family needs their help though not sure how common it is in Song Dynasty.

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2 hours ago, m0us3y said:

So she's just ignorant towards everything at the first half of the novel then? 

Lol. The eat well sleep well bit is being maintained in the show it seems. 

ML always struggles to wake up for classes, at first I thought it was just a front she puts up, but then she really didn't wanna wake up even at Youyang. The couz had to drag her out of bed! :lol:

 

And U can tell she loves her food. Lol. Suddenly she wasn't so sick anymore when dr.he brought her fav fish soup! 

Actually, she did a lot of learning for embroidery as she thought it is only way for her to make money as she is Shu daughter, no property from Wei Yi Niang. When she went to Sheng’s main house in You Young, she did a lot of reasoning and talking about Shulan marriage with Pin Lan, her grandmom and first old madam. She just did not gallop around town to talk to prostitude head. There was another marriage interest (second cousin who became PL’s husband) and also met Li’s son who also became her admirer later when he came to capital to take imperial exam.

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8 hours ago, sava2sava said:

Can anyone explain to me why dad isn't kicking out the daughter for her unruly behavior.. Her actions can harm 4th and 6th sister if he allows her to stay in the home.. Do he not realize her action can affect them and they're chances of a good marriage..

 

It's more of a scandal if he kicks her out or kills her (kills his own child) since the city already knows. Right now its gossip since nobody outside servants and SH saw them in that compromising state. If SH does anything major against her, he would just be confirming the gossip.

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5 hours ago, Maria Brimstone said:

I do hope that they actually show MoLan entering her new home and discovering the pregnant concubine though! I wanna see the devastation on her face!!!!

@Maria Brimstone  As the saying goes why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.. Molan was so busy trying to marry up she didn't even know what she jump in bed and married into..  She did know home work on his background or what the family home was like.. I'm sure that mother in-law didn't make her life all peaches and roses as she thought it would be.. Husband probably off pregnating someone else and not look at her since they official wedding night.. It would have been nice to see her suffer through hardship and nothing her mom can do about it because now she belongs to her husband and his family.. I hope her husband concubine gives her a run fior her money.. Maybe she'll take a page from her mothers books and kill the girl and the baby.. 

 

2 hours ago, hello210 said:

Found it. The stepmom and family doing a 180 on their attitude now that GTY is back with honor SMH. And of course his talk with CB. That’s how he found out about ML &  Doc He right?

It also sounded like QH may want to try again?  

@hello210  It's not strange that she changes her attitude after learning that GTY is the inheritor and he has made a name for himself with the Emperor.. But she has been so two faceded she has even forgotten her own face and hasn't remembered she showed this face to GTY..

Now QH on the other hand is a sad story.. I'm suspecting that his wife can't produce any off spring from him and talking with mom about bringing in another.. It's nothing that the bully concubine can do about it because of his background he has to produce heirs..  

 

I do have a question for thiose of you who has read the book.. Do GTY Ex shows back up with his son.?

 

 

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5 hours ago, Jackie1048 said:

 

I cannot believe that despite being the one Sheng Hong loved and adored, Concubine Lin saw Ming Lan's mother as a threat as she too managed to produce children and saw Ming Lan's younger brother as a threat to her son.

 

In the book Concubine Wei was a stunning beauty and managed to get a piece of SH's heart. This is what irked Concubine Wei the most. She wasn't worried about Da Niang or the other concubines.  She was worried about losing her grasp on SH.

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4 hours ago, hello210 said:

I’m hoping they keep it to where the will only stipulates that GTY gets the dowry brought by his mother since that would pretty much make the rest of the family poor. And let his sickly brother redeem himself a little by making the decision himself to let GTY inherit, since his brother was really brainwashed by the stepmom since young. 

 

In the end the sickly brother saw the light. Lineage takes second place to talent and achievement. GTY at this stage didn't need the title. They needed him. I think he realised he had been used by stepmom to get the title for her undeserving son.

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4 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

I’m surprised the drama made a need to make QH’s mom punished by Long Fei as she was not the one who caused bad things to Long Fei Yen but Yong Wang Fei was. Both she and QH were forced to marry Jiachun princess by Yong Wong Fei. I know QH’s mom made a point to QH that that they also made an enemy out of Long Fei as she mentioned to Yong Wang Fei regards to Long family’s marriage interest to QH. What QH’s mom could have done when she was told of both families’ interest to marry QH instead of letting them know of each other interest?

 

QH's mother sat on the fence for too long regarding his marriage. If you don't make a choice, it will be made for you. She could have married him off to a neutral family. She is just as guilty of overeaching as Concubine Lin. The Qi household was not that wealthy or powerful anymore but she went around putting on airs.

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