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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

Ep 23: My favorite scene: ML and GTY strolling the beach at dusk before she left the camp of the sea folks to reunite with her grandma and the rest of her relatives at the Sheng ancestral home. It is as if they had never been apart and they just picked up from where they left off many years ago when GTY helped the 8 year old ML bring the doctor to her ailing mother and became friends. They were open and easy as they revealed their experience of prejudice and deceit from family members growing up, their means of coping derived from the strategems of war and experience itself. ML is reserved and does not bare her thoughts easily to anyone even with grandma (who can see through her) but not with GTY. Deep down she trusts GTY who in turn has no problem being himself with ML. He told ML about Manniang, that ML was right about her and it was him who could not see it. These 2 are family, they are honest with each other. What they talked about, they probably would not easily talk about with other people. 

 

EP 24: not fully subbed in VIKI yet but ML's solution or her cousin Shulan's dilemma. "You can't take boiling water from a pot and put it back again, but you can take away the fuel from under it". So her recommendation was separation or divorce.

 

I am not sure but I think  ML also said that if cousin Ping Lan married into an honorable family, that her sister Shulan, a divorced woman, would be protected by Ping Lan's husband's family? If that is the case, then does ML tell grandma to have Ping Lan marry the doctor instead of her? 

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I think what minglan meant in ep 24 that if shulan to be sacrificed (remained as a wife to despicable xiucai) just to protect the reputation of pinglan and to give pinglan an honorable husband, then pinglan husband's family will not see pinglan's family as an honorable family as no honorable family will lets their daughter suffered mistreatment like shulan did. 

 

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These women in this drama (ml, grandma, pinglan grandma, pinglan) were really interesting. Intelligent, cunning, witty, strong, loyal, brave. Even Shulan grew her backbone at last. Whilst the man (except gty and cb) were ughhhh... 

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Seems like things are finally moving between GTY and ML! 

Always felt that they have some unspoken understanding, but it would be really nice to see that ML actually has someone else to be herself other than granny! 

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5 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Seems like things are finally moving between GTY and ML! 

Always felt that they have some unspoken understanding, but it would be really nice to see that ML actually has someone else to be herself other than granny! 

 

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When gty rescue ML from the bandits for the second time, why did he brought her to another place and not to sent her right away to her people? I think it just a pretense to spend some time with ML:D. Then he chased out his servant and be alone with her. Then, secretly accompanied her to the sheng manor. He told his servant that Minglan was an demure and open minded woman. His servant gave gty a knowing and teasing smile. 

Sweet infatuated smile?? 
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Teasing and laughing at gty

 

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2 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

 

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When gty rescue ML from the bandits for the second time, why did he brought her to another place and not to sent her right away to her people? I think it just a pretense to spend some time with ML:D. Then he chased out his servant and be alone with her. Then, secretly accompanied her to the sheng manor. He told his servant that Minglan was an demure and open minded woman. His servant gave gty a knowing and teasing smile. 

Sweet infatuated smile?? 
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Teasing and laughing at gty

 

Which episode is that? Also 23??

I need to watchhhhh!!!

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On 1/9/2019 at 7:42 PM, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

 

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Who is the 2nd miss who committed suicide and why?

Who is the maid or girl who got thrown out of the carriage in the middle of the street? She was badly beaten up and tied I think.

 

The 2nd long miss, Long Fei Ye, who committed suicide was the one who got kinapped during lantern festival (her disappearance was the reason soliders demanded festival to end early by making people to go home) and got thrown off the carriage in the middle of the street. She is younger sister of emperor's current favorite concubine Long Fei and also admirerer of QH. She is not a princess but pretty spoiled as her family currently holds some power due to her sister being favorite concubine. You can see her smashing tea cups at Polo match after QH helped ML win as she was also in love with QH. Her father proposes the marriage to Qi family as well as Yong Wang Fei (Yong Wang's wife) is interested in QH for her daughter, Jia Sheng County Princess. In drama, County Princess got interested in QH during Polo match as well.

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Although it hasn't been revealed yet in ep 26 why and who kinapped, raped and beaten her, it will be doing of Yong Wang Fei and her daughter. QH's father did not want to offend to either Long family or Yong Wang, he told his wife Junzi to let both party know of each other's interest in marrying QH, leading to Yong Wang Fei and Jia Sheng County Princess destroying Long Fei Ye's reputation by kinapping and raping her. Although it is not QH's parents' intention to get Long Fei Ye destroyed, they indirectly cause it. (They were just hoping Long family will back off knowing the other party's interest as QH's mom regards Long family's status beneath them).

 

The drama has been including events in the book in different order and adding a lot of scences that weren't in the book or visualizing scenes that were just told in passing in the book. So, we cannot really guess in which episode GTY will start pursuing her as potential wife. Like @leeza77 mentioned, GTY already started liking ML as a woman when he rescued her from bandit during first old Sheng madam funeral since he took her away to the camp, spent time talking to her and took her advices to his hearts (epi 25). I think he started to get impressed by her when she told him to do something about his life as well as his daughter's life.

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In the book, GTY said he started liking ML when ML threw mud at Molan to prevent her to go to the back of temple where there are guys from noble family.   

 

For those who asked why GTY used Bai Ye as his name when he met Zhao father and son (imperial relative who are generals) in the forest as well as when he joined the army as a foot soldier, it is very common for someone using mother's last name and his first name when he doesn't want people to know his origin (Ye actually is his name and that's why his nanny and his mom before she died call him Ye Er or Ye Koe Er, Er=endearing term, Koe=term for boy, Ting is his generation name which he shares with his brothers and all his male cousins from his father's brothers). His father's Marquise family is well-known military generals and if he used his real name GTY, Zhao father and sons as well as other generals will realize who he is. In drama Yun Zong Ge, young Liu Fu Ling told young Yun Ge that his name is Zhao Ling (Zhao his mom last name) as he didn't want her to know when they first met that he is Han's emperor or someone from imperial family since Han imperial family last name is “Liu”.

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GTY using Bai Ye was not in the book and I think drama writers included in here to make sure that GTY gained his merits of becoming a general on his own, not relying on his family's name. Later, in the book, when GTY planned to let new emperor arrest his family members and forgo the Marquess title for involving in 4th prince's rebellion, his older brother reminded GTY that his family's prestige as generations of generals made GTY's life easy to lead the army and that inheriting the old Marquess title is a lot more meaningful than gaining a new Marquess title. His brother told GTY that he won't adopt a son of third brother and passdown family's Marquess title to GTY in exchange for him helping the family and regaining his mother's dowry. So, these events in the book most likely won't be shown as there were no rebellions of 4th prince and 6th prince and GTY did not help 8th prince to become emperor who knew him as 2nd second of Marquess in the capital  and became close friends with GTY when he went to border as idle Jianghu person.

 

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On 1/8/2019 at 11:15 AM, tomo74 said:

I saw funny thing somewhere from the net, people said second brother (WRJ) looks the same like second uncle (FSF) so it makes them confused why this person's name always changing (they dont realise that they are 2 different person) :joy:

 

Hahahaha.... Me too... I almost mistaken them in few episodes.. LOL

 

 

On 1/8/2019 at 6:16 PM, tomo74 said:

Does anyone know why manniang only took her son (not both or none) when she run away? is it because the son isn't GTY biological son? or she has another motive? she cried in the bedroom and suddenly she stopped like she got lightbulb idea then the scene was cut 

 

My instinct told me that Manniang plan to use her "son" to climb GTY family again in the future.. This drama has more than 70 eps, let us wait how the story unfolds.

 

58 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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@m0us3y i think gty likes ml already. He very impressed with ml during their last encounter. The fact that ml concerned about Rong er (gty's daughter) was a plus factor in favor of ML. And he follow ML advised to go back and not to foil  his and his daughter future loitering araound jianghu. Beside, he taught rong er to call ML as auntie and not sister just show that he didn't regard ML as baby anymore but as a grown woman. 

 

 

Done watching ep 25-26 Raw last night.. I find it cute when GTY close his daughter Rong'er mouth when she tries to mention "xiao gugu" = small aunty in front of CB.. hahahaha.. it seems like GTY is trying to hide from CB that he saw ML for few times outside of Bianjing already.. hihihi..

 

Throughout the thread, I noticed that some hate Manniang, some hate concubine Lin and Molan.

 

For me, the character that I hate the most is ML's father in this drama.. That old man is so bias that I want to get inside the screen and beat him to death. He seems to care less for his other children apart from those he get from evil concubine Lin.

At least, in the novel, ML's father adore ML for being such a good child... 

 

Sigh.. I stop reading the novel halfway as I expect the story in the drama have some changes in the characters behaviors and events. 

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6 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Which episode is that? Also 23??

I need to watchhhhh!!!

Ep 25 & 26

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7 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Would just like to say that I love ML's grandma, since GTY and QH have both gotten so much love from everyone here. :D

 

I thoroughly enjoy her interactions with ML or even with the Nanny/ maids. 

So much wisdom.

The conversations between granny and ML are always so cordial, and calm, yet her words are so perceptive, so sensible. 

And I love how ML can always be truthful to granny with her thoughts, or even when she isn't, granny always see through her. 

 

The things they say to each other, like how ML should always think and act to protect herself, because at the end of it, there will always be times where she would have no one to protect her, and she should chart her own course in her life (foreshadowing much?)

 

The way they are so fiercely protective of each other is also so admirable. 

Like how granny would get the maids to guard ML's place so there wouldn't be spies snooping around, so ML can cry her heart out after the heartbreak. 

Or even when she got angry because her poor ML was hurt, when she told the nanny to kick the Qi family out with a stick if they ever come mentioning Bros and sis again.

Or how ML would save granny first the moment she saw the bandits on ship, disregarding her own. And granny, even in her confused state, still calls for her! 

 

Well said chingu @m0us3y on ML and her grandma's interaction.  I love their relationship, I also believe she considers Ming Lan as a daughter. Her pledge  " As long as I am alive you won't " I can't remember the rest.. Smh smh smh  The love they have for each other. Ming Lan is so nice and caring. I was glad she was able to be herself on the trip with ML's grandmother friends family. 

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I want to wait until atleast midway in the drama but it's hard so i guess i'll just start watching anyway. I just peeked on the last subbed episode and i have to say that GTY daughter Rong is just precious. I just read spoilers long time ago and i don't really remember and usually they don't follow the novel 100%. I hope when ML marries GTY she and Rong will be close, i feel sorry for the little girl to have such an awful mother.

 

Also the light effects they are using makes it look alot darker but alot more realistic. The downside is unless you watch in good quality it won't be as good. I like it.

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7 hours ago, hello210 said:

I agree. Her statement is very meaningful because things are not always what they appear. We can tell by examples you gave. Even ML admitted that even though her motives are different what she did in getting rid of the spies was no less manipulative than Concubine Lin which was why she felt bad about using CB who’s always good to her. Always watch out for the quiet ones :D

@hello210  I love that ML grandmother told her she did the right thing.  I love how smart ML's grandmother is and understand her.  I am just happy that ML had one person in the Sheng household who truly loved her.  I don't think ML could have ever survived in that household if she had no love.  smh smh smh  She truly needed love and nurture to survive in such a toxic household that Sheng Hong created. I can't wait for him to get what is coming to him for his STUPIDITY.... :D:D

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2 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

Chingu’s Help me 

Is this drama TV versus being translated on YouTube???

 

Youtube has director's cut version which is brocasted a little less though scenes are same (just timed differently and stopped in earlier scenes than TV) and TV version as well as English sub. English sub is done on director's cut version and at epi 23 currently. 

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1 hour ago, minglan1 said:

I have been lurking around the forum for a while and enjoyed reading the discussions on the show.I don't understand mandarin, can anyone help me understand  what GTY and minglan talked  about in epi 28 preview?

 

She was saying ...When I told you Manniang was not a good person, You didn't believe me. And when you said that about QH and me, I didn't believe you. Seems we are both stupid. 

Then GTY says war is about to begin in the south and after sending these I'll have go there. ML then tells him to be careful.

I think either she is giving him gift for his daughter....or she's asked him to send the doll back to QH. The box in his hand seems similar to the one QH gave her. 

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13 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

 

Youtube has director's cut version which is brocasted a little less though scenes are same (just timed differently and stopped in earlier scenes than TV) and TV version as well as English sub. English sub is done on director's cut version and at epi 23 currently. 

Thank you @Golden Flower and @cheekychipmunk_stv  For answering my questions. 

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26 minutes ago, dito said:

 

She was saying ...When I told you Manniang was not a good person, You didn't believe me. And when you said that about QH and me, I didn't believe you. Seems we are both stupid. 

Then GTY says war is about to begin in the south and after sending these I'll have go there. ML then tells him to be careful.

I think either she is giving him gift for his daughter....or she's asked him to send the doll back to QH. The box in his hand seems similar to the one QH gave her. 

Thanks for explaining. I like how they are building up the relationship of GTY and minglan step by step. Looking forward to see their future interactions.

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54 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

I want to wait until atleast midway in the drama but it's hard so i guess i'll just start watching anyway. I just peeked on the last subbed episode and i have to say that GTY daughter Rong is just precious. I just read spoilers long time ago and i don't really remember and usually they don't follow the novel 100%. I hope when ML marries GTY she and Rong will be close, i feel sorry for the little girl to have such an awful mother.

 

Also the light effects they are using makes it look alot darker but alot more realistic. The downside is unless you watch in good quality it won't be as good. I like it.

I wanted to wait until the whole series is out before I start watching! I gave in at episode 6 or so. Lol.

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45 minutes ago, dito said:

She was saying ...When I told you Manniang was not a good person, You didn't believe me. And when you said that about QH and me, I didn't believe you. Seems we are both stupid. 

Then GTY says war is about to begin in the south and after sending these I'll have go there. ML then tells him to be careful.

I think either she is giving him gift for his daughter....or she's asked him to send the doll back to QH. The box in his hand seems similar to the one QH gave her. 

What did he say about QH? Was that in the coffee shop? When he said she was leading him on like a kite? She acknowledged that? 

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I just finished episode 25 and honestly the scenes of GTY and ML in this episode clearly hinted why GTY, not QH, is the better match to ML. QH's plan (not even a plan in my book) to force his mom to accept ML as his main wife only carelessly put ML into awkward and dangerous situations. He did not for a moment consider how his love and actions can harm her in the short and long term, even after she tried to spell it out for him. I can't take his love seriously because of how selfish it is. In the contrast, GTY rescued ML from the bandits but let her go home on her own while secretly protected her from afar because he was worried that his escort could start unfavorable rumors for her virtue. Their conversation at the vendor after his rescue was a super hint in my opinion that fortells GTY's determination to give ML a life that she can truly live for herself because he understands her. I like that whenever GTY and ML met, they showed genuine concern about each other and were able to somewhat freely express their true selves. I think that's a prominent sign of soulmate. Another thing is that it may be safe to say that GTY and ML are fated to be together. So far, their roads have only crossed a handful of times but most of their personal interactions have occurred when one of them was in a life threatening/desperate/nasty situation that they had to show their vunerable and true selves. QH and ML didn't have those opportunities and when they have it in a very few encounters, they're trapped in their statuses and weren't able to do anything. Sorry QH, this is why you can only be second male lead. And props to the production team to flesh out the relationship progress between GTY and ML. I love that GTY and ML are always in equal terms in their relationship, there's respect, understanding, and timely support from both sides! In the book, I felt like I was couped when the author revealed that GTY would be ML's husband, the drama did a much better job at telling their story. Can't wait to see how they show GTY's tricks to get ML to marry him.

 

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

The 2nd long miss, Long Fei Ye, who committed suicide was the one who got kinapped during lantern festival (her disappearance was the reason soliders demanded festival to end early by making people to go home) and got thrown off the carriage in the middle of the street. She is younger sister of emperor's current favorite concubine Long Fei and also admirerer of QH. She is not a princess but pretty spoiled as her family currently holds some power due to her sister being favorite concubine. You can see her smashing tea cups at Polo match after QH helped ML win as she was also in love with QH. Her father proposes the marriage to Qi family as well as Yong Wang Fei (Yong Wang's wife) is interested in QH for her daughter, Jia Sheng County Princess. In drama, County Princess got interested in QH during Polo match as well.

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Although it hasn't been revealed yet in ep 26 why and who kinapped, raped and beaten her, it will be doing of Yong Wang Fei and her daughter. QH's father did not want to offend to either Long family or Yong Wang, he told his wife Junzi to let both party know of each other's interest in marrying QH, leading to Yong Wang Fei and Jia Sheng County Princess destroying Long Fei Ye's reputation by kinapping and raping her. Although it is not QH's parents' intention to get Long Fei Ye destroyed, they indirectly cause it. (They were just hoping Long family will back off knowing the other party's interest as QH's mom regards Long family's status beneath them).

 

The drama has been including events in the book in different order and adding a lot of scences that weren't in the book or visualizing scenes that were just told in passing in the book. So, we cannot really guess in which episode GTY will start pursuing her as potential wife. Like @leeza77 mentioned, GTY already started liking ML as a woman when he rescued her from bandit during first old Sheng madam funeral since he took her away to the camp, spent time talking to her and took her advices to his hearts (epi 25). I think he started to get impressed by her when she told him to do something about his life as well as his daughter's life.

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In the book, GTY said he started liking ML when ML threw mud at Molan to prevent her to go to the back of temple where there are guys from noble family.   

 

For those who asked why GTY used Bai Ye as his name when he met Zhao father and son (imperial relative who are generals) in the forest as well as when he joined the army as a foot soldier, it is very common for someone using mother's last name and his first name when he doesn't want people to know his origin (Ye actually is his name and that's why his nanny and his mom before she died calls him Ye Er or Ye Koe Er, Er=endearing term, Ting is his generation name which he shares with his brothers and all his male cousins from his father's brothers). His father's Marquise family is well-known military generals and if he used his real name GTY, Zhao father and sons as well as other generals will realize who he is. In drama Yun Zong Ge, young Liu Fu Ling told young Yun Ge that his name is Zhao Ling (Zhao his mom last name) as he didn't want her to know when they first met that he is Han's emperor. 

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GTY using Bai Ye was not in the book and I think drama writers included in here to make sure that GTY gained his merits of becoming a general on his own, not relying on his family's name. Later, in the book, when GTY planned to let new emperor arrest his family members and forgo the Marquess title for involving in 4th prince's rebellion, his older brother reminded GTY that his family's prestige as generations of generals made GTY's life easy to lead the army and that inheriting the old Marquess title is a lot more meaningful than gaining a new Marquess title. His brother told GTY that he won't adopt a son of third brother and passdown family's Marquess title to GTY in exchange for him helping the family and regaining his mother's dowry. So, these events in the book most likely won't be shown as there were no rebellions of 4th prince and 6th prince and GTY did not help 8th prince to become emperor who knew him as 2nd second of Marquess in the capital  and became close friends with GTY when he went to border as idle Jianghu person.

 

 

You didnt have to mention my poor Ling gege :bawling: 

Cried buckets for his story in book YZG

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11 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

What did he say about QH? Was that in the coffee shop? When he said she was leading him on like a kite? She acknowledged that? 

 

I don't know. Maybe.

I went back and translated it again. I missed one line in the middle.

I don't understand what it means though..."that day in Houfu you compared me and Qi heng to Ming Huang Yang Fei. I didn't listen to you. Seems we are both stupid."

My guess....Ming Huang is Emperor of Ming...Yang Fei is his concubine?? 

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