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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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9 hours ago, dito said:

 

They should have kept the original scene from the book....Molan coming out wet from the water.

Though that wouldn't have caused the same furore as the one Colin Firth caused in his wet shirt in P&P.:blush:

I agree with @minglan1 that 1995 TV version is the best P&P ever.

 

Anyways, I have to admit with all its inaccuracies and hard to make sense plot twists....this drama is still much better than the others out there. 

I just have to stop watching the freaking previews. They are seriously stressing me out.

But I'm a spoiler addict ...can't help but have a peek.:grimace:

 

 

I don't mind a few flaws but when it's such an obvious plot hole then it's irritating to watch.

 

This drama is actually better than the majority, but it is how it's supposed to be. I rarely watch C drama in the past few years, cuz the quality's been going down, nonsense script writing, crappy idol actors, lousy productions etc. Most big IPs spend a fortune on popular idols, inducing cliche protagonists, trying to squeeze money from female audiences. I normally only watch a drama when it's over with good reviews. Especially with ZLY, her recent dramas all started well but ended up like richard simmons. However I decided to follow TSoML from the beginning bc of 2 reasons:

1. I really like the original novel

2. I have trust in Daylight Entertainment. If you don't know Daylight Entertainment has quite a reputation in drama land recently. Most of their products have really high quality, like NiF, Battle of Changsha, Ode of joy... (I watch all of them). They always put careful preparation and great effort in their production, and they reuse most of their supporting actors (which I like). That's why I have high hopes for this drama and willing to take the risk before the final scene is out, although I was a little worried about the main cast. None of the main leads are recognized for their acting abilities and Daylight Entertainment is known for not working with idol actors. However, TSoML is a big IP and I assume they know what they are doing.

 

The drama turns out fine, I mean it's fun watching but it doesn't live up to my expectations. The acting is average. There are a few moments of outstanding performances but most of the time it's average. The supporting roles are great though. But there 2 things that they disappointed me. First is the script-writing. I understand they had to change the plot here and there to fit the drama, but they should pay attention to the logic. This is not some lousy cheap production. This is Daylight Entertainment's second biggest drama of the year. It shouldn't make me think "Hey this doesn't make any sense". They had a really good source material at hand and they should have utilized it better. 

 

Second is the drama completely screwed up my 2 most awaiting scene: GTY and ML's 2 arguments. These 2 scenes in the book were so impressive and they were like, the roots, the foundation of their relationship so I was so excited to see it on screen. I'm so sorry to say none of them lived up to the hype.

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21 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

 

I don't mind a few flaws but when it's such an obvious plot hole then it's irritating to watch.

 

This drama is actually better than the majority, but it is how it's supposed to be. I rarely watch C drama in the past few years, cuz the quality's been going down, nonsense script writing, crappy idol actors, lousy productions etc. Most big IPs spend a fortune on popular idols, inducing cliche protagonists, trying to squeeze money from female audiences. I normally only watch a drama when it's over with good reviews. Especially with ZLY, her recent dramas all started well but ended up like richard simmons. However I decided to follow TSoML from the beginning bc of 2 reasons:

1. I really like the original novel

2. I have trust in Daylight Entertainment. If you don't know Daylight Entertainment has quite a reputation in drama land recently. Most of their products have really high quality, like NiF, Battle of Changsha, Ode of joy... (I watch all of them). They always put careful preparation and great effort in their production, and they reuse most of their supporting actors (which I like). That's why I have high hopes for this drama and willing to take the risk before the final scene is out, although I was a little worried about the main cast. None of the main leads are recognized for their acting abilities and Daylight Entertainment is known for not working with idol actors. However, TSoML is a big IP and I assume they know what they are doing.

 

The drama turns out fine, I mean it's fun watching but it doesn't live up to my expectations. The acting is average. There are a few moments of outstanding performances but most of the time it's average. The supporting roles are great though. But there 2 things that they disappointed me. First is the script-writing. I understand they had to change the plot here and there to fit the drama, but they should pay attention to the logic. This is not some lousy cheap production. This is Daylight Entertainment's second biggest drama of the year. It shouldn't make me think "Hey this doesn't make any sense". They had a really good source material at hand and they should have utilized it better. 

 

Second is the drama completely screwed up my 2 most awaiting scene: GTY and ML's 2 arguments. These 2 scenes in the book were so impressive and they were like, the roots, the foundation of their relationship so I was so excited to see it on screen. I'm so sorry to say none of them lived up to the hype.

I think you feel like this because you've read the novel and you have some kind of expectations for some scenes that eventually couldn't live up to your expectations.. For me this drama is definitely not averagely done or plotted for me.. All scenes because I don't know how it was originally made in the novel, have kept me on my toes and they've been so great.. There are a lot of climatic scenes for me too... And I think daylight entertainment are not lacking in this in terms of story or connections with scenes, we just have to really focus on dialogues to know the connections because this drama is more about the dialogue.. So everything has been great for me but I know it wouldn't be the same for those that read the novel.. 

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10 minutes ago, Leila Essalih said:

pease ; can someone help me; why GTY g t the borthel? is he over with WEI prostit?

No, he went to meet the Shen General and one Dan General.. The Wei Madam is just a freind of them all.. They don't really see as a prostitute., so they just chat with her like normal friends.. 

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They need a army to take down GTY which still wont work :o

 

These evil people will soon turn on each other. :sweatingbullets:

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12 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

 

I don't mind a few flaws but when it's such an obvious plot hole then it's irritating to watch.

 

This drama is actually better than the majority, but it is how it's supposed to be. I rarely watch C drama in the past few years, cuz the quality's been going down, nonsense script writing, crappy idol actors, lousy productions etc. Most big IPs spend a fortune on popular idols, inducing cliche protagonists, trying to squeeze money from female audiences. I normally only watch a drama when it's over with good reviews. Especially with ZLY, her recent dramas all started well but ended up like richard simmons. However I decided to follow TSoML from the beginning bc of 2 reasons:

1. I really like the original novel

2. I have trust in Daylight Entertainment. If you don't know Daylight Entertainment has quite a reputation in drama land recently. Most of their products have really high quality, like NiF, Battle of Changsha, Ode of joy... (I watch all of them). They always put careful preparation and great effort in their production, and they reuse most of their supporting actors (which I like). That's why I have high hopes for this drama and willing to take the risk before the final scene is out, although I was a little worried about the main cast. None of the main leads are recognized for their acting abilities and Daylight Entertainment is known for not working with idol actors. However, TSoML is a big IP and I assume they know what they are doing.

 

The drama turns out fine, I mean it's fun watching but it doesn't live up to my expectations. The acting is average. There are a few moments of outstanding performances but most of the time it's average. The supporting roles are great though. But there 2 things that they disappointed me. First is the script-writing. I understand they had to change the plot here and there to fit the drama, but they should pay attention to the logic. This is not some lousy cheap production. This is Daylight Entertainment's second biggest drama of the year. It shouldn't make me think "Hey this doesn't make any sense". They had a really good source material at hand and they should have utilized it better. 

 

Second is the drama completely screwed up my 2 most awaiting scene: GTY and ML's 2 arguments. These 2 scenes in the book were so impressive and they were like, the roots, the foundation of their relationship so I was so excited to see it on screen. I'm so sorry to say none of them lived up to the hype.

 

I have to agree with you. I have been feeling a bit disappointed with one thing or the other with each passing episode.

I wanted to watch this drama mainly because it was being produced by Daylight. I like their production values. I didn't like the whole novel...felt it was slow and slice of life is not my thing. But I liked some parts of the book like ML-granny relationship...the after marriage portion....when GTY and ML become the power couple.

And both of those portions in the drama have disappointed me in one way or other.

 

Things that don't make sense......I have a list of those. Writing fails, logic fails....smart characters suddenly becoming stupid. For.e.g. Manniang had a knife hidden in her sleeve and attacked GTY....ML regretted not searching her clothes. The Kang cousin stabbed herself...ML said the same thing again. Smart character that ML is supposed to be...will she make the same mistake twice? 

If Manniang was supposed to come out again....why change the attack during child birth scene. What sense does it make to replace her with Kang Aunt when she is being brought back again to the story by the writers. 

 

Those 2 scenes you are talking about are my favorites scenes too. It was supposed to be one of the most heartbreaking conversations between GTY and ML....and they made it funny walk in the park?? 

The way these 2 scenes happen was most essential for these characters growth and as you said foundation of their relationship. 

When GTY questions her feelings for him. He, who thought he knew his wife comes to realize that actually he doesn't know her deepest pains and scars. The reason for her living like this.....how ML's words and tears break his heart...and makes him give in and decide to accept whatever she was willing to give and be.

Then in the next one....ML completely opens up and points out to him she too has the right to question his feelings for her. As he has also never been truly open with her....not given what he was demanding from her. And makes GTY faces his own shortcomings.

Maybe we got disappointed because we had too much expectations from these creators.

 

Daylight is one of the best production houses these days in this industry but they need better writers.  I have felt this while watching LMIYD, WSFIL, BOC.....all of them had writing and logic fails.(not NIF. maybe coz the author of the book was the main screen writer.) 

 

Anyways, I do agree that this drama is tons better than some of the others out there. But when you are spending so much money on authentic looking sets, props and costumes....can you spare a little for better writers. I guess they emptied their bank accounts for multiple seasons of "Like a flowing river" or whatever its called.

 

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The first half of this drama was much better than the second half.  After they got married, it's like the writer(s) ran out of ideas or something.  Instead of developing the characters and storylines further, they just took the lazy way out: create unnecessary drama through crazy/illogical characters:

 

Manning - makes no sense how she went crazy after she lost her son and wants to kill ML and GTY

Step-mother - Goodness I'm so tired of this woman and her endless scheming

Aunt Kang - so unnecessary and makes no sense why she would risk so much to poison Granny or why she hates ML so much just because she is successful

EQ - another illogical and selfish character

 

Plot just got so tired and the last 30 episodes were basically just people plotting against the main couple....

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40 minutes ago, deslynn88 said:

The first half of this drama was much better than the second half.  After they got married, it's like the writer(s) ran out of ideas or something.  Instead of developing the characters and storylines further, they just took the lazy way out: create unnecessary drama through crazy/illogical characters:

 

Manning - makes no sense how she went crazy after she lost her son and wants to kill ML and GTY

Step-mother - Goodness I'm so tired of this woman and her endless scheming

Aunt Kang - so unnecessary and makes no sense why she would risk so much to poison Granny or why she hates ML so much just because she is successful

EQ - another illogical and selfish character

 

Plot just got so tired and the last 30 episodes were basically just people plotting against the main couple....

 

Actually I feel like it makes sense but all of it occurring at once is the problem. Aunt Kang has been spoiled her whole life and hates to see other she considers less than her doing better. So her hatred is understandable. Plus she killed a lot of people prior to trying to kill grandma and got away with it. So she probably thought she could get away with this one as well. Step-mother kind of makes sense but at the same time it doesn't. I kind of wish we got to see or hear about how she grew up. Her not receiving love for her husband and plotting for her son doesn't suffice for me. As for EQ, I'm not such who you are referring to. Do you mean the Empress Dowager? Or someone else. Lastly, Manning makes sense to me a little. Going crazy after losing her son is understandable but what's not understandable is her hatred for GTY and ML. Well okay I understand why she hates them but it still seems crazy to me. Honestly, from what I read I wish they stuck with the book. 

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45 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Daylight is one of the best production houses these days in this industry but they need better writers.  I have felt this while watching LMIYD, WSFIL, BOC.....all of them had writing and logic fails.(not NIF. maybe coz the author of the book was the main screen writer.) 

 

Anyways, I do agree that this drama is tons better than some of the others out there. But when you are spending so much money on authentic looking sets, props and costumes....can you spare a little for better writers. I guess they emptied their bank accounts for multiple seasons of "Like a flowing river" or whatever its called.

 

 

Yeah I think they put all their resources this year into "Like a flowing river", they didn't even have their A-team in this project. All the pre-producion like settings and clothes look cheap too. Daylight had many great dramas a few years ago, like NiF, the disguiser, Ode to joy but recently it's quality is going down. It's still good but not as outstanding as before, except for maybe Like a flowing river, but that series isn't popular to foreign viewers.

 

I wonder why Chinese drama producers don't consult the original authors on the screenplays. I see normally dramas which have the original authors as screenwriters and stay true to the original book are more likely to be successful. They bought popular books to adapt bc those books already have massive fanbases and they want to attract their readers, but then they decide to mess things up? What a waste!

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I really like this drama. The otp has great chemistry, the secondary characters are interesting, the production is not bad. The only thing I am not sure about is that they overdid the characters plotting against the main couple. It seems too much.

but I am waiting to see the resolution to see if it makes sense. 

the book wasn’t my cup of tea, so I don’t mind the changes even if I see some plot holes or contrived scenes. However I watch dramas just to relax and to improve my Chinese. .

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On 2/7/2019 at 5:58 PM, dito said:

 

I do not like how they are dragging this. She was trying to kill an innocent child....many people saw her and tried to stop her.

Also they had a freaking box full of evidence against Kang aunt for the poisoning...how can this mother be so shameless as to call her monster of a daughter, innocent?

Changbai in the book was much more persuasive in contrast. He shut her up completely with his arguments. He even convinced Kang aunts brother to stop trying to protect the woman who was destroying their Wang family.

I think that from the look of it, Aunty Kang mom is of a noble family so her words will be taken above that of servants even though they reliable witnesses.  Besides those witnesses are Gu family household.......

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Wohoooooo Guifei is getting her just dessert now.  The ED wants to keep her son to show that she is loyal to the dowager.  Served her right for being a two-faced witch!  She was feeling all smug and smirking when the emperor got angry with his empress for defending GTY.   Et bien voilà........

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10 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

 

Yeah I think they put all their resources this year into "Like a flowing river", they didn't even have their A-team in this project. All the pre-producion like settings and clothes look cheap too. Daylight had many great dramas a few years ago, like NiF, the disguiser, Ode to joy but recently it's quality is going down. It's still good but not as outstanding as before, except for maybe Like a flowing river, but that series isn't popular to foreign viewers.

 

I wonder why Chinese drama producers don't consult the original authors on the screenplays. I see normally dramas which have the original authors as screenwriters and stay true to the original book are more likely to be successful. They bought popular books to adapt bc those books already have massive fanbases and they want to attract their readers, but then they decide to mess things up? What a waste!

 

Exactly. They are paying the authors for the copyrights as it is why not consultation too. It will only benefit them and help them make a better drama. Writing fails when screen writers don't understand the characters of the source material....what better than getting the author on the team.

I think bad writing is the major reason I have dropped most of the recent adapted works. Last drama Cdrama I finished was Lost Love in Times and they changed almost all of the story by adding the magic. AOL was horrible after the added side plots........ROP changed about 80% of the story from the book....I mean why even bother buying the copyrights then.

 

9 minutes ago, fra8 said:

I really like this drama. The otp has great chemistry, the secondary characters are interesting, the production is not bad. The only thing I am not sure about is that they overdid the characters plotting against the main couple. It seems too much.

but I am waiting to see the resolution to see if it makes sense. 

the book wasn’t my cup of tea, so I don’t mind the changes even if I see some plot holes or contrived scenes. However I watch dramas just to relax and to improve my Chinese. .

 

Actually I do not mind little changes here and there if it doesn't affect the overall story. And I can overlook little flaws and plot holes...but not a huge one.

I became a bit wary when they started changing the characters....which then started to affect the storyline.

I'll wait to see how they resolve it and then watch the rest of the episodes.

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16 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Exactly. They are paying the authors for the copyrights as it is why not consultation too. It will only benefit them and help them make a better drama. Writing fails when screen writers don't understand the characters of the source material....what better than getting the author on the team.

I think bad writing is the major reason I have dropped most of the recent adapted works. Last drama Cdrama I finished was Lost Love in Times and they changed almost all of the story by adding the magic. AOL was horrible after the added side plots........ROP changed about 80% of the story from the book....I mean why even bother buying the copyrights then.

 

 

Yeah I really don't know what's going on in the Chinese TV industry. They're wasting so many great source materials. In the past few years I have seen many of my favourite books get turned into crappy dramas it's driving me nuts.

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@dito mind sharing what exactly was said between ML - GTY during the 2 main arguments in the novel? 

Am actually quite curious, for in the drama they changed the plot whereby they know each other since young while in the novel he didn't actually know her until much later? 

So is it safe to assume he didn't know about her past in the novel? 

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Omg, our chanbai bro just gave ML a big anxious matter, he told her about Wei Madam at the brothel, not knowing that Wei Madam was the one with GTY at the 1st polo match then.. This is so funny, GTY was like why would you make her angry with that when he doesn't have anything with WEI Madam and chanbai said, don't you want her to be anxious about you, you will see how she will be going around asking about Wei Madam.. Hahahahhaha a and truly she has started asking around.... Feng Xian wasn't a threat so ML didn't really care at all but she doesn't know Wei that well and now that she has opened her heart to accept him, she is getting so curious about Wei, I really think if she knows Wei, they can be partner in crime,.. :sweat_smile:.. Chanbai thank you for this great job well done to make ML anxious.. :thumbsup:

PS; I think I said it before the maid Molan sent was in Ml's house but it's actually Sheng's house.. So they kept the Kang aunt in Sheng house and she went to gu step mom after, and that's why Tu second could not find her.. 

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Can someone spoil me by telling if Molan had this much storyline in the novel, with her help at instigating all of aunty kang's actions which resulted to GTY's downfall and ML's distress..how was she being punished? If this storyline did not exist in the novel and i'd read someone wrote here that CL wasn't supposed to die so soon according to the novel and that she'd been sent to a farmstead for punishment (i think or was that somebody else :huh:) maybe they have changed that part of the story and had Molan punished that way instead?... Seems like they sent all the ladies or servants to a farmstead as punishments in the novel.  I just want to see Molan and that CL's servant get a jail sentence and not just a mere farmstead punishment.

 

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@dito I’m in same boat as you. I’m watching this drama because it was daylight entertainment production and thought TSoML writers were the same from BOC but I just checked wiki now and they weren’t. I thought BOC writing was better and logical with no much plot holes compared to current TSoML as it kept me interested to continue watching next episode though genre (family drama set during Japanese war) was not my cup of tea. I wasn’t interested in BOC in the beginning even with Wallace Huo and reading synopsis and watching interviews. I ended up watching it accidentally on YouTube after it was aired and I was hooked. LMIYD writer was Hai Yan who is original novelist and writer of NIF1/2 but Dingmo was novelist for LMIYD. 

@linhlinh111 I agree with your theory of involving original novel writer but there are dramas like Bu Bu Jing Xin and sound of desert turn out great with original storyline intact though original novelist wasn’t involved in production. I think making  drama too long by adding a lot of additional plots as well as including almost every side characters is another major issue making some dramas draggy and unappealing. You mentioned you were worried about main leads as none of the main leads weren’t recognized for their acting, are you including ZYL? I thought his acting was great and recognized in Love Three Lives (though it wasn't extremely popular drama) and Legend of Mie Yue. I haven't watched and didn't plan to watch Guardian but have watched a couple of his older second lead dramas where I thought he has acting talent. I didn't know him at all when I watched LTL accidentally but ended up watching till end because of his character and acting. It is suprising for me as I avoid Republican and warload era genres. 

 

Also, back to our conversation two weeks ago about GTW. Since he left or planning to leave Hou Fu and was falling out with his mom, I'm thinking they might not turn him into vallain by making him involve in attack to Chen Yuan during second rebellion? 

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2 hours ago, m0us3y said:

@dito mind sharing what exactly was said between ML - GTY during the 2 main arguments in the novel? 

Am actually quite curious, for in the drama they changed the plot whereby they know each other since young while in the novel he didn't actually know her until much later? 

So is it safe to assume he didn't know about her past in the novel? 

 

He knew about QH and what he investigated about her family but not the details of her childhood and stuff.

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The first conversation had most of what she said to QH in the temple about how the world is different for men and women. How women pay the price for love men walk free. She said look at you....you went around doing ridiculous things for 10 years and when you came back you were welcomed as prodigal son. If I take a single wrong step my life is ruined. Then she told him about her childhood. After her mom died, if granny had not cared for her she wouldn't be here today. Her childhood was spent being worried and afraid for her tomorrow. She is a shu daughter.....so for her love and things like that.... she does not have luxury to afford those things. 

Then she talks about general shen's first wife who died saving the empress....says you say they both loved each other very much. But look at them now...woman is dead the husband is married to another, has a child on the way. Is that love? She paid the price for his family to stay alive. Would you want me to do something like that for you? GTY gets angry and says of course not. She says loving someone is not dying for them but doing everything in your power to stay alive for them.

 

He then asks about QH, that did she ever love him. And she tells him she never had any thoughts of him. He is too high for her. And she's not someone who pines for someone out of reach and only to end up crying broke hearted when he marries someone else. GTY tells her he heard QH fought his mother a lot for you. ML gets angry and says so what? Just because he likes me, I have to like him too. Then something about if QH had the ability to do more then he'd have got her(not sure about this) she was being very cruel talking about QH. GTY says if he could hear what you think about him....ML tells him she said even worse things than this to QH's face. Then he asks why do you look guilty when I talk about him. ML says because he was sincere and I was selfish. He really liked me and never looked down on me, was never embarrassed to be with me but all I ever thought about was myself.

 

So if you want me to like you....then I can't help you. Because I'm already a person without a heart and soul.

She was crying heavily by the end and GTY wanted to comfort her but went back to his study and thought a lot. Then later that night he came back and saw her sleeping with their son, her face still wet with tears. Seeing her like that he just gave up and moved back in. Told the servants to move his stuff back in the morning.

 

This is of course, not 100% accurate....only what i could understand from Google translate.

 

The second conversation happened after he came back to handle granny's poisoning. 

By then the Gu manor was separated....Gu uncles and aunts were all living separately and struggling. GTY had already take his revenge on them. The cousin were in exile. ML only found out afterwards that this was GTYs revenge. 

GTY was asking ML about what she had done and his shock at that. ML started telling everything and crying that all of this happened because of her. Granny was worried ML life would become difficult because of the  Kang Aunt interference. Because of this fear Granny was especially harsh on Daniang which then angered Daniang to make her go this route. ML was angry at granny for always worrying about her and not even relaxing in her old age. She then told him she could have done even worse things for granny. Then she said when manniang attacked me you stayed calm and disposed of her in a very proper manner so as to avoid gossip.

But when you really have a person in your heart, and they are in danger you will feel panic and loose your senses...like me with grandmother. Tell me when you first heard Manniang attacked me....how did feel....did you panic? Did you feel your mind in chaos? even after knowing I was unharmed did you feel furious enough to go avenge me immediately?  

GTY stayed silent. ML continued ..I feel that true love is not how many smart things you do for the other but how many stupid things you do for them. We will grow old and love each other for the rest of our lives so I must be a good wife and a good mother....just like this.

GTY then remembered something that ML said a long time ago.......too many emotions you can easily get hurt.....living a life of calm contentment is the best.

 

I paraphrased a lot....and somethings that i couldn't understand...I guessed.....so again not 100% accurate.

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@m0us3y In the drama there are more interactions between ML and GTY, but in the book he also observed her for a long time before choosing her as his bride and the schemes to get her are similar. The main element of the arguments remain unchanged but in the book it was executed with intensity and it marked a milestone in their relationship. @dito has stated quite clearly I just wanted to add some details.

 

The first argument happened in a similar situation as in the drama, except there were just 2 of them sitting in a closed room. ML pointed out for him while he, as a noble and a man, had little at stake why she, as a lowborn woman, would lose everything once she fell out of his favor and without reputations. It's the same as a conversation she had before about her and QH in the drama, which states that a small amount of value to QH may mean everything to her. This can also apply with GTY. She then cried silently, saying she was indeed selfish, bc she could never put everything on the line for a man's love. GTY then understood how hard it is on her and moved back to sleep with her, never spoke about that again.

 

The second argument happened in a different situation since they changed the sequence of event in the drama. In the book the delivery of her first child took place first, then the poison of Grandma. When GTY was away and ML was near labor, Stepmom plot plans against her, first by having Aunti Kang sending a concubine, which failed. After that she seeked out Manniang (the son was still alive). One thing after another and MN tried to assassinate ML but failed then the fire. GTY, after a while of consideration, decided to exile MN and warned Stepmom by killing the son of her right-hand-woman, which ML agreed to. Later when Daniang's maid was spying on the house (same as drama), Grandma got furious and scolded Daniang, which then lead to the poison case. Later when GTY arrived at the scene (this is similar to drama), he was so surprised seeing ML, who was usually so calm and reserved, lost it in rage. She did so many things that she shouldn't have done, like locking the house down, torturing the maids and threatening her father. She could have thought of a safer method to handle the matter. She then told GTY, Grandma needn't have to stressed things out with Daniang. The maid was actually a really small problem and it could be handled without causing a ruckfuss with Daniang. But bc Grandma cared about her too much that she didn't think it straight. Grandma was a wise lady and she should have known the best way to handle the problem, but when ML was being targeted all of her wisdom went down the drain and she would rush at anyone who tried to harm her. ML said when people cared too much they made mistake. GTY, on the other hand, was very clever and careful in dealing with the incident with ML. All of his aftermath solutions were calculated carefully to take out their enemies in the future. ML admitted that what he did would benefit them most. But if he truly cared for her than he wouldn't think it that clearly. ML asked him why he didn't burst out in rage, if he were to risk everything just to avenge her even knowing she was safe in the end. The proof of love wasn't how many right things he did for her, but how many stupid mistakes he would be willing to commit for her. GTY stayed silent and could not reply. In the end ML said let's just continue like this, she would be a proper wife and mother. GTY then watch her fall asleep without saying a word.

 

The beauty of these arguments is that it struck really hard into GTY's heart (and also the readers'). It pushed GTY into a realization of how wrong he was in viewing their relationship, how demanding he was of her and how his smart and cunning methods that he was proud of was backfiring at him. He realized that while he was criticizing her of holding back her emotions, he was also wearing a thick armor to protect himself and that there were no shortcuts nor bargaining in love.

 

@Golden Flower QH was just a side character in the book so I didn't expect him to have that much screen time, although ZYL's potrayal was marvelous. It was the character of ML I was worried about. In the book even GTY doesn't appear much and ML is the main focus throughout the story. She was smart, rational and very insightful. She is a special woman, some of her words are intense and heavy and they carry her mature thoughts on love and life. I thought ZLY's acting was not enough to play such a character. Well they changed the plot a bit and turn ML livelier, more suitable for ZLY. I understand a 15-ish soul is incomparable to a 36-ish soul, but it's rather sad since the character lost part of its depth and impact.

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