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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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8 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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She came back without the son.. In the mv, there is a scene where gty cried in front of grave (?) . I guess chang'er has died before manniang came back. 

 

Qh's opposed to gty pleading for his relative before the emperor.. I want to believe that qh just doing his job, but... My heart feel that qh really holding a grudge vs gty. 

 

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More shocking is that GTY would go all out to save his cousins' necks, even to the extent of him receiving the punishment instead. What's he thinking? Where had all the hatred gone?

 

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More shocking is that GTY would go all out to save his cousins' necks, even to the extent of him receiving the punishment instead. What's he thinking? Where had all the hatred gone?

 

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Bcoz of the brother's request? 

 

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4 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

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Bcoz of the brother's request? 

 

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Even if he did this out of his brother's request, which meant he accepted them as family, it's still ridiculous. GTY wasn't a rash man. He had the big picture in his mind. As he said earlier to ML, there would be a fierce fight between emperor and empress dowager. He would know what it meant for the emperor if he was sacked because of this.

 

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15 minutes ago, matrim said:
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Even if he did this out of his brother's request, which meant he accepted them as family, it's still ridiculous. GTY wasn't a rash man. He had the big picture in his mind. As he said earlier to ML, there would be a fierce fight between emperor and empress dowager. He would know what it meant for the emperor if he was sacked because of this.

 

GTY is someone who plan 3 steps ahead and 2 steps back. I'm positive there is a reason for doing this.

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10 minutes ago, paras said:

GTY is someone who plan 3 steps ahead and 2 steps back. I'm positive there is a reason for doing this.

 

Maybe planning ahead for the separation. He's made public plea in court. Later on he can't be accused of not caring for family, respecting elders, unfilial etc and it would be shameless for the other houses to cling on when they are clearly hindering his career.

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21 minutes ago, paras said:

GTY is someone who plan 3 steps ahead and 2 steps back. I'm positive there is a reason for doing this.

He already had bad reputation in public eye so if he stayed out when his family is in trouble he would be considered cold blooded. that wouldn't make him look good now he's working for the government. It's a cliche thing but in that era they considered a family as a whole, however bad they are if your family was in trouble you had to help. He has to beg for their lives even if it's just for show and he doesn't want to at all. Besides, he promises to his relatives to spare their lives in exchange for his mother's dowry back. He doesn't clean them off their crime, he just help them avoid death penalty. They still receive heavy punishments.

 

And yeah he also has plans to separate.

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29 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

He already had bad reputation in public eye so if he stayed out when his family is in trouble he would be considered cold blooded. that wouldn't make him look good now he's working for the government. It's a cliche thing but in that era they considered a family as a whole, however bad they are if your family was in trouble you had to help. He has to beg for their lives even if it's just for show and he doesn't want to at all. Besides, he promises to his relatives to spare their lives in exchange for his mother's dowry back. He doesn't clean them off their crime, he just help them avoid death penalty. They still receive heavy punishments.

 

And yeah he also has plans to separate.

Somehow I feel he did that to make them feel sorry for themselves after the brother explained his father's predicament.. Or he did it to make them receive punishment because he knows someone like QH will ask them to be punished no matter what.. Or he did it ao that the supposed fight between the empress dowager and emperor can go well so that the emperor doesn't have any feelings of forgiveness for the dowager since the emperor will want to support GTY but the dowager will say no.. Or he did it after talking to ML and she advised him to... Anyhow I know GTY definitely has something he thought before doing it:joy:

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11 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

Somehow I feel he did that to make them feel sorry for themselves after the brother explained his father's predicament.. Or he did it to make them receive punishment because he knows someone like QH will ask them to be punished no matter what.. Or he did it ao that the supposed fight between the empress dowager and emperor can go well so that the emperor doesn't have any feelings of forgiveness for the dowager since the emperor will want to support GTY but the dowager will say no.. Or he did it after talking to ML and she advised him to... Anyhow I know GTY definitely has something he thought before doing it:joy:

Yeah it is partly bc of political reasons, partly bc he has personal gain out of this, but definitely not bc of any emotional attachment to that family. He hates them to the core.

 

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5 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

GTY couldn't marry his brother's wife. It was against the law.

 

The situation in which his brother asked that question:

His brother was trying to explain to GTY why everyone hated GTY's mother. Back then his grandfather was still the Marquis, his father was very much in love with his first wife. His first wife was a fragile woman and was very sick after giving birth to the eldest son (his brother). The Gu family borrowed a hefty sum of money from the treasury (which is normal at the time), but things happened and the emperor suddenly ordered to inspect the treasury. Everyone had a very short amount of time to pay back the money or the title would be ripped off and there would be heavy punishment. GTY's maternal grandfather (Bai family) was a very rich businessman. Back then businessmen had lots of money but low status. And in usual occasions his mother could never be married off to a noble family. However the situation was tight on Gu family so his grandfather wanted his father to divorce his first wife and propose to Bai family. His father didn't want to but his first wife, after knowing this, couldn't stand the mental pressure and died due to sickness. After that the Gu family proposed to Bai family and GTY's mother was married off as the main wife. However his father neglected his mother and she died after childbirth. Right after that his father married his first wife's cousin (who came from the same family) and his second marriage happened when the Gu family was away from the capital, so few people knew about the second wife. His older brother growing up being told by the stepmom that GTY's mother pressured Gu family to marry her, thus leading to his mother's death, resulted in his hatred. Everyone in the Gu family hated her and  GTY cuz they reminded them of how shameful they were, having to marry a low status woman into their family for money. And bc of his mother, they considered him lower than them (Ridiculous I know).

 

GTY's brother asked him if he were in his father's situation, would he divorce ML to save his father's life and the whole family.

 

GTY admitted his father did care for him somehow, but he could never forgive how he mistreated his mother and himself. The Gu family basically survived and lived prosperously due to his mother's money, yet they felt shameful of it, looked down on him and tried to erase her existence after she died. GTY was the son who resembled his father most (thus his favourite but he still couldn't like him due to feeling shameful and guilty) so he was strict on him so he can be on his own in the future. GTY was angry as why he had to be on his own while the others could live happily under Gu family's protection, while in fact Gu family owed him.

:lol: that why I said the teasers like to put snippets of scenes in to take things out of context and keeps the viewers asking questions and keep everyone interested to see what’s really going to happen. 

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Manniang comes back and the first thing she does is try to blackmail him to make her a concubine before she return his son to him.  That golddigging trash!

 

I thought I saw someone post that she was actually sent to him by his step-mother.  Is that true?

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7 hours ago, Jackie1048 said:

Just loved Ming Lan's counter attack on the Empress Dowager's suggestion to take on her palace maids as concubines.

 

Ming Lan told her that Gu Ting Ye had ordered her to match make his bachelor soldiers with their housemaid so the palace maids will come in as handy candidates.

 

A little tick off at first the Dowager but gave in to the idea hence Ming Lan is to take them all back and find spouses for them.

 

I guess what won the argument is the chances would be the palace maids had a chance to be principal wives instead of being a concubine.

 

SO the maids would be married off to soliders and the soliders are fine with that??

 

2 hours ago, leeza77 said:
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She came back without the son.. In the mv, there is a scene where gty cried in front of grave (?) . I guess chang'er has died before manniang came back. 

 

Qh's opposed to gty pleading for his relative before the emperor.. I want to believe that qh just doing his job, but... My heart feel that qh really holding a grudge vs gty. 

 

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Im like you as well i want to believe its QH just doing his job but feels like a grudge.

 

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1 hour ago, deslynn88 said:

Manniang comes back and the first thing she does is try to blackmail him to make her a concubine before she return his son to him.  That golddigging trash!

 

I thought I saw someone post that she was actually sent to him by his step-mother.  Is that true?

Grrrrrrrrrrr what a hateful and shameless hussy this Manniang.  In the trailer she even rejected Rong'er just so she would be a constant reminder to Minglan that Rong'er has a mum and it is not her who born the daughter.  What a scheming b**ch :triumph:  Gold digger matches her exactly too.

Now I am waiting for Minglan to get preggo and make GTY a proud papa.  And grandma great ganny :D  I like the way she out manouver her dowager empress who tried to fob her maids to all the others LOLLLLLLLLLLL

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8 hours ago, leeza77 said:
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She came back without the son.. In the mv, there is a scene where gty cried in front of grave (?) . I guess chang'er has died before manniang came back. 

 

Qh's opposed to gty pleading for his relative before the emperor.. I want to believe that qh just doing his job, but... My heart feel that qh really holding a grudge vs gty. 

 

 

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I think QH is just doing his job. The facial expression of QH at the end, after GTY told emperor that he would share the punishment of his Gu three brothers, wasn’t joyful or cunning. His expression was more like he is confused and couldn’t believe GTY would take others’ punishment. Like yesterday’s preview with divorcing ML, we cannot take the small clip as face value yet :D Need to see the whole scene and what QH did afterwards :D  I think some weibo posts and YouTube videos claiming drama/ characters ending or predictions are not true. So, QH turning bitter and going against GTY might not be true. 

 

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1 hour ago, deslynn88 said:

Manniang comes back and the first thing she does is try to blackmail him to make her a concubine before she return his son to him.  That golddigging trash!

 

I thought I saw someone post that she was actually sent to him by his step-mother.  Is that true?

In the book, she wasn't originally sent by his stepmom, in the drama not yet mentioned. However, when ML was pregnant and GTY was away, she was called back by stepmom and they worked together against ML. They had the same goal: they didn't want ML's child to be born.

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6 hours ago, deslynn88 said:

Manniang comes back and the first thing she does is try to blackmail him to make her a concubine before she return his son to him.  That golddigging trash!

 

I thought I saw someone post that she was actually sent to him by his step-mother.  Is that true?

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According to GTY and ML conversation in the preview, she was caught by GTY’s people from Yang Zhou. She told them that Chan’er (the son) was dead but GTY didn’t believe her words as she lied to him many times before. So, he was thinking to trick Maniang by making her think she would become concubine and change after they find the son. However, ML was doubtful saying that Maniang was requesting to serve GTY just one night but this woman is very cunning. After fulfilling her one request, it is not sure that she would make other requests. I think that’s why they let the daughter Rong’er talk to her mother about the son. However, Maniang also told the daughter that her brother is dead. She also accused her daughter of living in comfort while she was wandering around poor. The daughter said she doesn’t mind living at village with her. Ma Niang then said she wants the daughter to live with ML so that she can be reminded to ML that she wasn’t born of ML but of her Maniang. So, we have to see whether Maniang is telling the truth about the son’s death or not.

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, m0us3y said:

If the ending theme painting is of any indication, the part where ML hit the gong and tried to save GTY is a bit later...

So, during her pregnancy theres fire, and also an assassination? 

Because in the trailer, there was a scene where ML seem to have a complete meltdown and trying to shield something, with someone trying to stab them or something

 

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It is right after ML gave birth to her child, not sure first or second. The drama might just show one child birth. It was Kang Yinaing trying to stab the child and/or ML and ML is trying to protect. I’m sure it is not Maniang or step-mom. The face is not clear but the features look like Kang. 

So, poisoning of grandma might happen during last trimester of pregnancy, and then, during and right after delivery, step-mom sets up fire and Kang Yima tries to stab the baby and/or ML.

 

From the trailer, I also think the woman wearing read dress trying to stab GTY is not step-mom but it was Maniang. It is also shown that step-mom went crazy and started thrashing spiritual tablets in Gu ancestral room.

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So, did MN reject Rong'er i didn't quite follow.

 

Edit : Nvm, i saw the preview. what a horrible woman.

 

I hope Rong'er will fully embrace ML. Atleast she has a mother figure who cares about her.

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1 hour ago, linhlinh111 said:

In the book, she wasn't originally sent by his stepmom, in the drama not yet mentioned. However, when ML was pregnant and GTY was away, she was called back by stepmom and they worked together against ML. They had the same goal: they didn't want ML's child to be born.

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I thought in the novel, Maniang goes there twice. First time was on her own with the son, but something goes wrong and she’s kicked out again. Second time was when ML was heavily pregnant and stepmom let her into the Fu to try and make ML go into premature labor hoping that it would kill both mother and child. Maniang was trying to attack ML during this whole ordeal but ML’s maids were able to stop Maniang (shown in trailers). ML goes into labor through all that and gives birth safely so since original plan failed, Stepmom’s had bribed a worker to set fire to try and kill them that way but GTY gets there in time to save them (think we see snippets of all this in the trailers). 

                After this, instead or beating, killing, or charging Maniang, GTY banned Manniang from entering the capital which caused another rift with ML cause she was upset that GTY didn’t go all crazy upset like ML did when Grandma was poisoned. But GTY didn’t want the children to resent ML. Rong’er decided to live with Maniang outside to prevent Maniang from using her as an excuse to stay in the residence because she really like ML. Son dies later when Maniang was dragging him around trying to follow GTY on military campaigns but guess they had to change that part in order to not have more episodes.

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It is right after ML gave birth to her child, not sure first or second. The drama might just show one child birth. It was Kang Yinaing trying to stab the child or ML and ML is trying to protect. I’m sure it is not Maniang or step-mom. The face is not clear but the features look like Kang. 

So, poisoning of grandma might happen during last trimester of pregnancy, during and right after delivery, step-mom sets up fire and Kang Yima tries to stab the baby and/or ML.

 

From the trailer, I also think the woman wearing read dress trying to stab GTY is not step-mom but it was Maniang. It is also shown that step-mom went crazy and started trashing spiritual tablets in Gu ancestral room.

It looked like it was either Maniang or Stepmom in the red trying to stab GTY.

 

 

 

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youtube trailer for episode 53 tv version with MN and Rong'er scene and more

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