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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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Uh ... did the Gu Family try to force a concubine onto Ming Lan on the very first day of her marriage??? That was faster than expected LOL

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7 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Regarding QH vs GTY, I feel there are 2 things in discussion here. QH and GTY's character and personality, and the relationship with ML. They are separate, yet intertwined. That complicated the situation. Add in bias by each of us, we get all the differences in opinions, from our own perspectives. 

 

Personally, I'm not a fan of QH, but I think I can see where @Golden Flower and @tomo74 are both coming from...

 

@Arieslazarel summed it up quite nicely. 

As a person, if we look at their characters independently of the consequences of their action, and circumstances, QH as a person, is better. He's filial, kind, honest, rich, honourable, loyal. 

GTY is cunning, a bit of a rascal/scoundrel, manipulative, but responsible, and not that bad a person, but compared to QH, is much more of a flawed character. 

 

But the reason I am so against QH, and cheered for GTY is probably because their personalities and characters are shown in their actions and as a direct result, impacting their relationship with ML. 

That despite his best efforts, all the sufferings, QH's actions hurt ML. And I personally felt that ML had to pay for the heavy price for QH's actions, which I didn't like. 

He loves ML, and he believes ML loves him too, so naturally, they should be together. That's his math. 

But in it all, he has never tried to stand in her shoes, to understand her, to see from her perspectives, or see how much pain and humiliation he caused her, intentional or not. 

 

And while GTY lied to multiple people, manipulated some, scam others, there's one thing he didn't do- hurt ML. 

Every step that he made, he considered the impact it might have on ML and her reputation first. 

If GTY really confessed that he likes ML since the water bandit incident and wanted to make her his wife since (clearly I haven't watch), I wouldn't disagree that he may not have been sincere in helping QH, but rather testing him and wanting to see how far QH would go for ML. 

But I personally didnt feel that GTY was trying to discourage ML with the Emperor Ming/ Yang Gui Fei comparison as I felt he was being honest about their situation to her then. 

Every interaction GTY had with ML, the conversation felt sincere, advice given with best interest of the other at heart. 

Some were saying that GTY should have told ML his plan and get her agreement to her hand of marriage. With a 21st century lens, I'd agree. 

But I could see why he wouldn't do it. Because if she did agree, and he failed, he would end up hurting her, giving her hopes and not deliver. 

As much as his plan was fail proof, as ML said in recent episode "human plan, God decides"..

In his case, heaven was on his side.

 

If we look at only characteristics of them, QH is definitely more ideal. If we only look at the intentions, the means but not the end, QH has been more upright as a person. But if we look at the end, all he ever did was damage to ML. 

And while some of GTY actions were shady, his actions rouge, his end game was getting ML, without hurting her if he fails. 

Im not saying that the end justifies the means, but I am saying that the characteristics of a person drives their actions, and those actions have consequences. And they all matter. 

 

Regarding QH's matter, I think ML's dialogue after leaving Dr He's family when they were pitting the Cao cousin while telling ML to make ways for her, explains how QH's matter can be viewed, she said and I quote 

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' I'm just mad, I'm getting mader the more I think about it

What? Just because I'm not as pitiful as her, I have to yeild? 

In this world, is it that whoever is more pitiful, he is more reasonable? '

That's one part that explains that no matter the situation, some people might be having it harder too but they are all just trying hard not to be the pitiful one while still holding onto their morals. So in this aspect, QH's pitiness is no reason for him to raised above GTY because, he is just as pitiful as QH.. 

 

Another dialogue after that explains how ML is now scared of promises, that when Grandma said Dr He still promised not to take Cao cousin as concubine, minglan said

'made a promise? Will that work? 

How many people can really fulfill their promises

As long as his mother begs him, Brother Hong(Dr. He) has a soft heart

He won't really watch as his mother dies from anger' 

So I think this also explains that GTY not promising her anything or telling her about his plans, was not the best thing, but it was what ML truly needed. So I think we shouldn't view GTY as the main lead then but as another prospective man wanting to marry a girl. As such, he just seem to understand the consequences better than her other suitor. And like grandma said 

'We'll go and look at other people' I.e look for other suitor for ML, and fortunately her other one became someone she has understood and share some of her feelings with even though she might have not loved him fully. 

But was Dr. He someone she loves, No, but if something has not happened, she would have married him. So I think in this Era understanding and respect and unity is the main goal of marriage for them.. Love is meant to come after marriage 

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The sisterly scenes between ML and RL are so cute ^_^ I wonder if we'll see more of the sisters' lives when ML marries over? 

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Guys I just noticed another thing. When GTY was telling the emperor to give him the wheat for his marriage and the emperor said who is he getting married to, he deliberately said 'the legitimate shield of Sheng family' this statement solved 2 or 3 problems for ML 

1. ML getting a di daughter title since even if they won't marry Rulan to him, they still must marry a legitimate daughter of their family to him and that left them with no choice other than conferring ML a di title. This does not mean the he holds anything against ML being a shy daughter but it's to save people from talking too much about them as like danniang said when Changbai first told them about the description of the girl he wants to his parents and the Dada said 'isn't that minglan' danniang said why would he get married to an illegitimate daughter of their family when he is a legitimate marquis son, does he want people to accuse him. So this is just making people keep shut as no matter what, ml having that tiltle is just for formality truly she is a di daughter. 

 

2. ML being afraid of people calling her a shu daughter being the big madam of a marquis house... ML gained a lot of respect by saving her family from rumors and taking responsibility for her sister's mistake without any hatred involved. So when she talks, they start to look upto her. So GTY regained her reputation and helped her gain more respect from the society. She will heighten that herself later too

 

3. GTY did this to further make sure that ML can trust him on his promise of not favoring another woman except her. Like danniang said to Rulan that anybody marrying into that house will immediately be the big steward madam like the position that is highest among wives. Her decision is final. So I think this was the one I liked the most out of all reasons, he made sure she feels secured being as he will keep all his promise and to keep all his promise, ML had to be conferred upon a di title and that's why he deliberately mentioned 'legitimate' to the emperor. 

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And also another dialogue that foreshadows the future was when Rulan and minglan were talking in ep 37 and minglan asked that won't Rulan be in some problem in the future by wanting to marry into a poor family home. Rulan said 'where can no problem occur' she now sighted their first daughter hualan whose husband loves her but she encounters a bad MIL and also their Milan who married into a count house but got a misscarige. 

Problems are everywhere and you will surely encounter a lot of problem in a matrimonial house which is nuclear family, not to talk of one which is polygamous. The only thing you can do is to prepare for those raining days ahead of it. And I love how Minglan took that advice dearly because somehow minglan has been someone to want to confront her problems outrightly, instead she goes round and round in order not to encounter her problems. So I love how she became decided on not marrying I to that He house even if it means another batch of rumors spreading. She decided to face her rumors instead of going into a house where she wouldn't even be able to talk out loud. 

Rulan became a favorite of mine during episode 37 and 38. 

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Wow I just noticed something again. I thouth the lines that said 'if we are not humans but cats or trees or bugs' in the trailer was said my minglan but Omg it was said by Rulan. In ep 39 when she was talking to minglan. Wow.. That line explains Rulan really, she is spoiled but honest and straightforward. I love her more. What I love about That line was how she said if humans were things or animals, then we can be carefree.. So awesome a line

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1 hour ago, Suzzy San said:

I think what we don't do in the is forum is watch the drama while concentratting6more on the dialouges. The dialogue are so connected that, if said in one episode, it can be used to explain the other episodes. So I will share an excerpt of ep 37 where they showed us how the grandma will not tolerate any scumbag, whether the person was good like Dr He, or the person truly loves her like QH, and especially one that has a bad reputation already like GTY, to marry her daughter 

So in episode 37,when ML and grandma went to Dr He's house to resolve the issue about Cao cousin, and she saw how they were acting as if ML is there to beg them, even though He has resolved to not marry Cao cousin, the Cao cousin mother was being disrespectful and grandma immediately said ML is an 'outsider' so she shouldn't interfere in their family matters 

So they left, He was now telling his grandmother that he has already decided not to marry Cao cousin but the grandmother said, there is nothing to change her decision and she said and I quote

 

'I have no way to save it (their marriage) anymore

In their Sheng family, it's always been that old sister of mine making decisions 

Minglan is her doted granddaughter 

If she refuses to marry her off to you, even if you beg His majesty, it won't wwork'

 

So I think this dialogue explains why GTY still have to scheme even after talking to the emperor about the marriage, he just used, the emperor's name to make sure they don't think otherwise about giving him a Sheng daughter to marry, 

Well he explained all these to ML when she asked him why couldn't he have just asked for her hand directly instead of going round in ep 38..

@Suzzy Santhank you. Absolutely correct, GTY would have never passed in grandma's eyes either as Dr. He was her favored candidate for ML to marry and ML gets along with him.  Grandma's assessment of the situation, her grandaughters having been involved in scandals that she was now more protective of ML. Even when GTY jokingly asked Chang Bai if he GTY would be considered a good marriage partner for his sisters and he did not specify which, Chang Bai's immediate response was "No Way" and then Chang Bai proceeded to tell him about his family considering proposals already on the table for his sisters and that is how GTY learned about Dr. He. But CB's response alone told GTY the lay of the land and so if he was ever going to marry ML, he had to do some scheming. 

 

But before that, GTY had been flirting with ML already and had been implying his attraction and intentions for example when he was bandaging her foot before he went to fight the rebellion.  Grandma herself is a formidable opponent and GTY calculated that he did not want to be rejected on his first proposal and become another QH. I do feel sorry for Dr He though, he is such a softie

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I'm here to make some resolutions, I don't know how many will agree with me, I've been thinking... Even though truly ML is putting up some defense against her feelings of true love, but somehow she has unconsciously become cold at heart even though she still has compassion for humans. 

I will back this up with two dialouges. 

1.when grandma told her that they have decided not to marry but to adopt Cao cousin as a sister in He family, and grandma was like it's her fault that she is not getting a good match. ML said that He and her doesn't really love each other so she can't really cry for him and they only thing they have is compassion. And grandma was like at a young age how could you have a 'palm tree heart'. That is a cold heart and she said, that's not true. (ep 38)

2. Another one was with Rulan in ep 38 when minglan asked her that she can just forgets the wen scholar, Rulan asked her that if she was able to be with Yanrou after what happened won't she accept it, minglan says 'if I am able to have him, just forget it' judging by ML attitude, this might have been something she just said to not allow Rulan into her personal life too much, but her feelings then didn't even feel stiired by the thought of being with Yanrou. And after Rulan explains the feelings of love to her that the one one loves has to be the one we be with, ML replied with 'I don't understand, I believe we must keep looking forward in life'.. 

However, even though she has not really truly lived someone because the defense she puts against her will Ness is just too much, the high compassion she felt for QH made her she'd tears while returning his gift, those tears were the full closure on her feelings for anyone and also a confirmation to her fears that no one can be relied on.. 

I am so looking forward to how t both GTY and ML will break their defense, because as ML uses her blank face for her defense, GTY uses his laughter as his defense 

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52 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

Guys I just noticed another thing. When GTY was telling the emperor to give him the wheat for his marriage and the emperor said who is he getting married to, he deliberately said 'the legitimate shield of Sheng family' this statement solved 2 or 3 problems for ML 

1. ML getting a shu daughter title since even if they won't marry Rulan to him, they still must marry a legitimate daughter of their family to him and that left them with no choice other than conferring ML a shu title. This does not mean the he holds anything against ML being a di daughter but it's to save people from talking too much about them as like danniang said when Changbai first told them about the description of the girl he wants to his parents and the Dada said 'isn't that minglan' danniang said why would he get married to an illegitimate daughter of their family when he is a legitimate marquis son, does he want people to accuse him. So this is just making people keep shut as no matter what, ml having that tiltle is just for formality truly she is a di daughter. 

 

2. ML being afraid of people calling her a di daughter being the big madam of a marquis house... ML gained a lot of respect by saving her family from rumors and taking responsibility for her sister's mistake without any hatred involved. So when she talks, they start to look upto her. So GTY regained her reputation and helped her gain more respect from the society. She will heighten that herself later too

 

3. GTY did this to further make sure that ML can trust him on his promise of not favoring another woman except her. Like danniang said to Rulan that anybody marry g into that house will imm8be the big steward madam like the position that is highest among wives. Her decision is final. So I think this was the one I liked the most out of all reasons, he made sure she feels secured being as he will keep all his promise and to keep all his promise, ML had to be conferred upon a Shu title and that why  he deliberately mentioned 'legitimate' to the emperor. 

 

Isn't the legitimate daughter called di, while the concubine daughters are Shu? Just getting a lil confused with the titles. 

 

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43 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

And also another dialogue that foreshadows the future was when Rulan and minglan were talking in ep 37 and minglan asked that won't Rulan be in some problem in the future by wanting to marry into a poor family home. Rulan said 'where can no problem occur' she now sighted their first daughter hualan whose husband loves her but she encounters a bad MIL and also their Milan who married into a count house but got a misscarige. 

Problems are everywhere and you will surely encounter a lot of problem in a matrimonial house which is nuclear family, not to talk of one which is polygamous. The only thing you can do is to prepare for those raining days ahead of it. And I love how Minglan took that advice dearly because somehow minglan has been someone to want to confront her problems outrightly, instead she goes round and round in order not to encounter her problems. So I love how she became decided on not marrying I to that He house even if it means another batch of rumors spreading. She decided to face her rumors instead of going into a house where she wouldn't even be able to talk out loud. 

Rulan became a favorite of mine during episode 37 and 38. 

 

Actually, in episode 37, I think she implied she would marry He Family. Regardless of whether the couz is barren. Because she felt that having no love between the husband and wife could mean less pain, less disappointment. And that she and drHe could have a respectful relationship, amiable and harmonious because she will not get jealous as there's no love. 

And that's why grandma was shocked that ML's heart is like an elm tree. Hard and cold. 

ML doesn't seem to see the need of love in her marriage. Just peace. And that's why when Rulan said if she one day finds someone she loves she should fight, and ML Response was she's not in the mood to fight. 

Marriage is about tolerance to her. As long as she can tolerate the lowest characteristic of her husband, and live her life with him...

She's so jaded at such young age....it's sad....:tears:

I just want ML to be happy pleaseeeee

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Guys I am finally watching ep 38 and I am finally understanding the plan by GTY in details. Omg hahahahhaha.. My expression is like ML's right now.. Unbelievable, how could a plan be so detailed and without flaw, so progressive that there was even a plan for failure. Omg omg.. We really, even if we don't like it, have to applaud GTY for his unrivaled efforts... What.... This man is scary... ML should brave herself as this is a marriage of two manipulative people.. Power couple indeed.. Hahahahaha

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1 minute ago, m0us3y said:
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Isn't the legitimate daughter called di, while the concubine daughters are Shu? Just getting a lil confused with the titles. 

 

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Actually, in episode 37, I think she implied she would marry He Family. Regardless of whether the couz is barren. Because she felt that having no love between the husband and wife could mean less pain, less disappointment. And that she and drHe could have a respectful relationship, amiable and harmonious because she will not get jealous as there's no love. 

And that's why grandma was shocked that ML's heart is like an elm tree. Hard and cold. 

ML doesn't seem to see the need of love in her marriage. Just peace. And that's why when Rulan said if she one day finds someone she loves she should fight, and ML Response was she's not in the mood to fight. 

Marriage is about tolerance to her. As long as she can tolerate the lowest characteristic of her husband, and live her life with him...

She's so jaded at such young age....it's sad....:tears:

I just want ML to be happy pleaseeeee

Oh my bad that's true.. She was like she doesn't really give a damn, she will marry him.. So when xiotao was saying that if Rulan's news with wen goes out the He family might not marry her, so she now said, well they can do whatever, she is really not that interested in marriage.. 

And sadly, what she seeks from marriage is what GTY seeks, they just want tolerance, understanding, and respect,.... Love can go somewhere else, 

Until later when they realize that love is actually the bond that can make them go a long way together... If one of them was after love in marriage, they actually might have just been like normal couple who is in love, always forgiving to those that annoys them and might break up early. 

But they have the 3 things needed in marriage, peace, understanding, and respect but they sure can't do without the 4th which is love.. So I think their marriage life is just to show how how they unconsciously found the love that was missing between them. So excited to see their fall out and their comeback. Hahahha

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36 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

@Suzzy Santhank you. Absolutely correct, GTY would have never passed in grandma's eyes either as Dr. He was her favored candidate for ML to marry and ML gets along with him.  Grandma's assessment of the situation, her grandaughters having been involved in scandals that she was now more protective of ML. Even when GTY jokingly asked Chang Bai if he GTY would be considered a good marriage partner for his sisters and he did not specify which, Chang Bai's immediate response was "No Way" and then Chang Bai proceeded to tell him about his family considering proposals already on the table for his sisters and that is how GTY learned about Dr. He. But CB's response alone told GTY the lay of the land and so if he was ever going to marry ML, he had to do some scheming. 

 

But before that, GTY had been flirting with ML already and had been implying his attraction and intentions for example when he was bandaging her foot before he went to fight the rebellion.  Grandma herself is a formidable opponent and GTY calculated that he did not want to be rejected on his first proposal and become another QH. I do feel sorry for Dr He though, he is such a softie

Yes I noticed that too, and in the scene at HL's house where GTY approached ML to explain his scheme, he also said that because of his previous behaviour and the way people saw him ML's grandmother would never agree. And even if ML's father wanted to agree with the marriage grandmother has too strong a character and would block the marriage. GTY is very aware of his image to the outside world. 

 

What I think is even more interesting is the fact that he schemed all of this while fighting the war. He explained to ML that he bought the freedom of the cousin of the He guy and had her family trafficked through his river trafficker friends to get them to the capital fast. That way the He family would be delayed in securing the wedding and he had time to fight the war without worrying about losing ML. Really this is genius beyond genius.

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wow.you guys are great:wub:.just  this thread is moving like fire..i want to catch up so fast.

Just finished ep 36 with subs.TOTALLY LOVED IT. wow GTY totally slapped his stepmother and brother as they deserved:w00t: .just can`t wait for what will happened to them from now on.

 

also.is there any link where i can watch ep 40 and 41 the webrip version.not the TV version?

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3 hours ago, frenchfan said:

I love the wedding part.  This is probably one of my favourite episode.  Grandma cared for her so much.  She gave a lot of dowry :) I am happy to see more of Hualan too.  The sctress who played this role is pretty.  The new Empress too.  

 

Did you all see the stepmom's face when the Empress gave GTY her jade hairpin?  Her jaw literally dropped in disbelief :joy::joy::joy:

I know right! I sat there grinning the entire scene. and the scene after that when they walk back with him laughing super loud and Molan almost lost it she had to cracked the nut with her hand scaring her mother in law hahahahaha epic scene

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Why did CB not join the wedding like CF, 6th Liang, and Hualan’s husband? CB was just hiding in the back and not sure what he said at all. 

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2 hours ago, Maria Brimstone said:

Uh ... did the Gu Family try to force a concubine onto Ming Lan on the very first day of her marriage??? That was faster than expected LOL

I’m not sure if the translation is right but someone on YouTube commented that it was one of the Gu wives who did something wrong and ML suggested a punishment. No concubine yet. If someone else can translate it and confirm since sometimes the translations on YouTube for these trailers aren’t correct. :D

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7 minutes ago, JoycceeDreamer said:

Why did CB not join the wedding like CF, 6th Liang, and Hualan’s husband? CB was just hiding in the back and not sure what he said at all. 

That’s why I looked at that scene a few times and it didn’t look like CF to me so I thought the third guy who was standing in front of 6th Liang and Rulan’s Scholar was Hualan’s husband (the last one to speak before GTY rushed in).

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Reaction of ML to GTY's confession of his manipulations to marry her was too good.At the start she is cross with him and sits sideways to avoid facing  him.As he narrates his schemes,her anger dissipates and she turns to face him hooked on to the narration of his plots. It takes a schemer to appreciate another albeit grudgingly.:lol:

It was so good to see her spirits lift up which had plummeted due to the actions of Dr.He.

 

I loved DaNiang in episode 38.She was hillarious.The actress has good comic timing.The actors portraying grandma,princess Pinyang and ShenHong were superb too.

The drama has an awesome supporting cast which makes viewing such a pleasure.

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What's wrong with the little brother of the Empress/Emperor. The dude standing there by the palace wheat field lol. What's up with his misery

 

Gotta give credit to Rulan for saving her maid though! 

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