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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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I loved the clip with granny ML and GTY. They were all so happy, the way granny looked at her and them.

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I have to say again that I agree with most of GTY's plan, including the Dr. He's cousin, cuz he was just saving ML from having to deal with her after marriage, but I disagree with him on 2 things:

 

1. He asked for Rulan instead of ML. Rulan was already in love with someone. If he was afraid that Daniang would not be happy with him bypassing her daughter, he could have just exposed Rulan's scandal first then ask for ML after Rulan was already betrothed. If ML didn't want to marry him then he was forcing her against her will. If ML actually liked him then she would be very sad. Although he explained later that sad period could not be undone.

 

2. He waited until everything was done to tell ML. I understand he wanted to ensure the result but sometimes a man's gotta do the right thing even if it would bring him more difficulties. He could just scheme and calculate everyone cuz they don't matter, but that doesn't include ML. You don't do such things to the one you want to marry. Imagine one day you fiance telling you: "Hey I lied to you and tricked you on this and that but it was for your own good and now I tell you the truth so don't hold a grudge?". Moreover, ML is a smart, strong independent woman, so GTY was actually risking the trust between them. If I was in ML's shoes, then yes I would be happy there's a great guy going through such length to get me. But there will always be that uneasy feeling of being manipulated and lied to.

 

I see a lot of people trying to defend him, giving him lots of excuses, but his method, albeit effective, was wrong and although it succeeded, it set a few unpleasant stones in their marriage. He could have succeeded doing it the straight way, but he chose not to. Actually this was a major part of the story when they try to resolve this issue. He never realized his fault and blaming ML until ML has to clarify it for him.

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17 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

I have to say again that I agree with most of GTY's plan, including the Dr. He's cousin, cuz he was just saving ML from having to deal with her after marriage, but I disagree with him on 2 things:

 

1. He asked for Rulan instead of ML. Rulan was already in love with someone. If he was afraid that Daniang would not be happy with him bypassing her daughter, he could have just exposed Rulan's scandal first then ask for ML after Rulan was already betrothed. If ML didn't want to marry him then he was forcing her against her will. If ML actually liked her then she would be very sad. Although he explained later that sad period could not be undone.

 

2. He waited until everything was done to tell ML. I understand he wanted to ensure the result but sometimes a man's gotta do the right thing even if it would bring him more difficulties. He could just scheme and calculate everyone cuz they don't matter, but that doesn't include ML. You don't do such things to the one you want to marry. Imagine one day you fiance telling you: "Hey I lied to you and tricked you on this and that but it was for your own good and now I tell you the truth so don't hold a grudge?". Moreover, ML is a smart, strong independent woman, so GTY was actually risking the trust between them. If I was in ML's shoes, then yes I would be happy there's a great guy going through such length to get me. But there will always be that uneasy feeling of being manipulated and lied to.

Grandma & Minglan talk about the second point. Minglan was a little hesitant because of that. What if in the future he schemes against me? That’s why she was avoiding him until his confession during the polo match. It’s only when he properly proposed that she accepted 

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27 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

 

 

Its like you people are not getting the era this show is set in , if he asked for RL he would simply be denied by the grandma. He did expose RL's scandal hense was able to marry ML? Im confused. If ML and Grandma respected what GTY did in the scheming i dont see why you even have issues with it. This is the damn era of manipulation if you dont do that then enjoy a sad life. 

 

12 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

 

 

He liked her since the river bandits but im not sure if he planned to marry her since then. That kidnapping was a scenario to see if QH would really go to the end of the world for ML and as proved he would not.  Since when are friends honest and tell each other everything, GTY has no reason to tell QH anything they were never that close. 

 

11 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

 

I think he was 100% Sincere if QH asked for help then winning ML over i think GTY would have helped, if anyone really thought that princess thing was serious then yikes. I do think he knew about the second assassin but it was not planned by GTY.

 

 

10 hours ago, tomo74 said:

I think I should moved on from discussing QH, :dissapointed: it's very clear that people taking side, it sounds to me, when GTY acting cunning and manipulative to ML, people always find an excuse, but keep saying QH is bad, trashing ML reputation, like he do it in purpose, please look at the whole story and characters, I'm happy that some people already try to understand QH's character without squeeze him to death, once again, I'm not pro QH.

 

No offence but you have taken aside as well you are clearly on QH's side so you are pro QH maybe you just do not see it.

 

If QH was doing what GTY was doing i would like him alot more then GTY but hes not.

 

9 hours ago, tomo74 said:

Now, talk about GTY, people say his best friend is CB, my question, why GTY have to mislead his bestie about marrying his sister, he can honestly say, "hey bro, I like your 6th sister and I plan to marry her, give me your blessing please", instead he just say (I don't know what his exact word, since I'm not up to that episode) I want to marry your sis (even though what he wants is ML), he should knows that his words will mislead CB and the whole Sheng family, lucky enough that RL doesn't like him, can you imagine what happen if RL likes him too, and they agree to let GTY marry RL, and then GTY will tell them, "um... actually I dont want RL, I want ML", if he is a gentlemen with good moral, he won't do that, how RL can live her life after that rejection, isn't he trashing RL reputation (purposely).

 

So would you rather GTY tell CB and then maybe CB decides to lie to his parents is that the better option. I think its better to keep your friend in the dark then make them betray their belief's. Also if he asked that way grandma would deny the marriage,

 

GTY would not have even thought about doing this scheme if he thought RL would be interested.

 

8 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

 

As i said above the plan was to test what QH would be willing to do i dont think it was serious at all and maybe QH has not directly said GTY was not suitable for ML but he 100% implied it with his actions.

 

 

8 hours ago, historicalfictionftw said:

I finally made an account! I stumbled upon this forum on pg 80 when I couldn't stand the suspense of waiting to know what is going on, especially after the boat raid episode. I'm passed the QY understanding point and moved on to the curious about GTY and if he's a good fit for ML. Both him and ML are very strategic and I'm so excited about seeing them work together. I think it would be cute to see them playing Go together as well. I'm currently in my second semester of Chinese and I realized that the language used in this drama is far more advanced than what I'm learning... nevertheless, I make sure that when I watch the raws that I cast to my TV and try to pay attention to the characters. What are the chances my character knowledge increases by the end of this show? I'm also open to recommendations of other Chinese dramas. Admittedly, I used to be k drama all the way till I decided to take Chinese...so I'm behind the curve. I look forward to stalking this forum and any spoilers/sneak peaks/raws that are shared. This has quickly become a passion of mine that I'm worried how I'll take it when the show is over. But for now, I'll live for the upcoming wedding and moments where ML shows how mighty she really is.


Side note: GTY seems very haughty in his laughing at most situations... I wonder if it's a defense mechanism.

 

Nirvana in fire 1/2 , Empresses in the palace, yanxi in the palace, 10 miles of peach blossoms are must watch Chinese drama;s.

 

8 hours ago, tomo74 said:

So, it's ok for GTY to mislead his best friend?, it's ok to scheme the family?.

About GTY knowing RL has bf it doesn't mean she can not change her mind, he is not GOD who can read people's mind.

If this thing done by QH, I dont know what people going to say.

This is why I said, some people just biased, for certain character it's ok for doing bad thing and have an excuses.

I'm not against GTY, I just want people judge each character fairly.

 

 

Who has said its ok for GTY so mislead his best friend.. just that its the better option then telling CB and maybe CB messes up the plan or would lie to his parents. 

 

If it was done by QH i would give him a round of applause for finally growing some ball's. 

 

Its really annoying me people saying they want people to be unbiased/judge people fairy when they are firmly against GTY or on QH's side in like every post..

 

1 hour ago, linhlinh111 said:

One thing I'm wondering is Why GTY had to scheme to get ML in the drama? He had to do it in the book cuz no one was on his side and ML barely knew him, but in the drama, he and ML had many interactions with each other. He was in a position where Sheng family would be happy marrying ML off to him. The only obstacle may be Grandma but if ML told her how he had helped her several time she would have accepted him. Besides, ML actually was fond of him this time. Why couldn't he just ask for ML's hand directly so that she could be proud and high. Instead everybody is thinking ML was just a replacement for Rulan. Why didn't he think that honesty and sincerity would work? He was in a very advantageous position yet he still had to use such underhanded method? And he wasn't being honest with ML either. He only told her when everything was already done. What? He didn't think that ML would accept him? It never crossed his mind that maybe it was against her will? At least he could have hinted to her what he was gonna do beforehand.

 

If he didnt scheme he could not have married ML , if he nothing then she marry's the doctor and he loses her forever . I still think Grandma deny's the marriage no matter what ML's say's. Honesty and Sincerity in Ancient China how did that work for QH? 

12 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

Hualan looks so happy when Minglan & GTY walked out onto the field laughing

 

Shes the sister i like the best but we saw the least. 

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32 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

 

I see a lot of people trying to defend him, giving him lots of excuses, but his method, albeit effective, was wrong and although it succeeded, it set a few unpleasant stones in their marriage. He could have succeeded doing it the straight way, but he chose not to. Actually this was a major part of the story when they try to resolve this issue. He never realized his fault and blaming ML until ML has to clarify it for him.

 

No he couldn't have succeeded doing it the right way no chance in hell if he thought he could then he would have done it that way , i think hes smart enough to think through all the options and this was really the only way to get her. 

 

His scheming is wrong but this is how China was back then literally everyone we seen so far nearly scheme's the people who dont scheme get walked over. 

 

Also Grandma and ML actually both sort of respected what he did because he was fighting for her.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

I have to say again that I agree with most of GTY's plan, including the Dr. He's cousin, cuz he was just saving ML from having to deal with her after marriage, but I disagree with him on 2 things:

 

1. He asked for Rulan instead of ML. Rulan was already in love with someone. If he was afraid that Daniang would not be happy with him bypassing her daughter, he could have just exposed Rulan's scandal first then ask for ML after Rulan was already betrothed. If ML didn't want to marry him then he was forcing her against her will. If ML actually liked her then she would be very sad. Although he explained later that sad period could not be undone.

 

2. He waited until everything was done to tell ML. I understand he wanted to ensure the result but sometimes a man's gotta do the right thing even if it would bring him more difficulties. He could just scheme and calculate everyone cuz they don't matter, but that doesn't include ML. You don't do such things to the one you want to marry. Imagine one day you fiance telling you: "Hey I lied to you and tricked you on this and that but it was for your own good and now I tell you the truth so don't hold a grudge?". Moreover, ML is a smart, strong independent woman, so GTY was actually risking the trust between them. If I was in ML's shoes, then yes I would be happy there's a great guy going through such length to get me. But there will always be that uneasy feeling of being manipulated and lied to.

 

1. If he expose Rulan's scandal first, and then ask for a daughter, then there's no guarantee the family will accept his proposal at all. Cause if he knows about RL before proposing, people would be very confused as to why he insisting on marry a Sheng girl, even after knowing they only have a lowly shu one left. It just makes him look suspicious. He has to push them into the situation where there's no coming back. He has to make them agree to his proposal first, make it known to the whole city that the emperor approves of their match. By pushing them into the corner, even grandma is unable to think of any way out. Sheng family literaly has no other way than to marry Rulan to the scholar and Minglan to him. He has to make it look like both him and the Shengs are on a sinking ship together, that both sides have to compromise; not him holding their neck with the Rulan's affair. Ruthless, I know, but higher chance of success.

 

2. As I said before, there's no guarantee that Minglan herself would choose him over the obvious easier choice that is Dr. He. What if she still doesn't want to marry him after he confesses to her? As you said, she's very smart, if she knows his intention, she'll be very careful not to be trap by him, she'll even counterattack his plan. Isn't that just shooting himself in the foot?

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13 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

Grandma & Minglan talk about the second point. Minglan was a little hesitant because of that. What if in the future he schemes against me? That’s why she was avoiding him until his confession during the polo match. It’s only when he properly proposed that she accepted 

 

I dont think she ever really thought what if he scheme's against me she knows him better then that. 

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I find it a bit contradicted that at the polo tournament where QH helped ML out, her reputation has been ruined by rumors that she was trying to aim high in society ( thinking that she was the one who's trying to get QH's attention and caused granma to be more distressed) and when that didn't work out she tried again but was aiming for Liang's 6th son (maybe this is the reason y GTY was trying to save her image bcos he knew this wasn't true) but by giving her this grand wedding, wouldn't that just prove all those rumors?

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9 hours ago, tomo74 said:

Now, talk about GTY, people say his best friend is CB, my question, why GTY have to mislead his bestie about marrying his sister, he can honestly say, "hey bro, I like your 6th sister and I plan to marry her, give me your blessing please", instead he just say (I don't know what his exact word, since I'm not up to that episode) I want to marry your sis (even though what he wants is ML), he should knows that his words will mislead CB and the whole Sheng family, lucky enough that RL doesn't like him, can you imagine what happen if RL likes him too, and they agree to let GTY marry RL, and then GTY will tell them, "um... actually I dont want RL, I want ML", if he is a gentlemen with good moral, he won't do that, how RL can live her life after that rejection, isn't he trashing RL reputation (purposely).

I think it’s because GTY already knew the protocol , CB couldn’t help him it was all up to grandmother and ML. GTY with a bad reputation and already having children was a big no no , grandmother would never approve . So with him plotting and planning to marry ML in a manipulative way was necessary to ensure a higher chance for a successful outcome . As far as RL , GTY didn’t set out to trash her reputation , proof is by letting her own brother be the witness instead of someone else . 

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15 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I dont think she ever really thought what if he scheme's against me she knows him better then that. 

They talk about it

15 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

I find it a bit contradicted that at the polo tournament where QH helped ML out, her reputation has been ruined by rumors that she was trying to aim high in society ( thinking that she was the one who's trying to get QH's attention and caused granma to be more distressed) and when that didn't work out she tried again but was aiming for Liang's 6th son (maybe this is the reason y GTY was trying to save her image bcos he knew this wasn't true) but by giving her this grand wedding, wouldn't that just prove all those rumors?

By doing this she became dutiful daughter. Everyone knew that the emperor sanctioned GTY’s marriage with Sheng family’s Di daughter but as far as everyone knows Rulan was already promised elsewhere. So Minglan turned out to be the dutiful daughter by marrying GTY

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7 hours ago, leeza77 said:
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That's what happened in the novel. Both of them have a trust issue. For ml she has to behave obediently without showing emotion. The one time she show her emotion when she blasting qh for naming his kids with her name.

 

 

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Ohhhh looorrrdddd!  Don't tell me that QH is dumb enough to name his kid after her in the book!  Is he trying to destroy her reputation?  That will just bring back all the scandal from their past and his baby mama will be pissed when she finds out (if she didn't know who ML was already).  This will do absolutely nothing but cause trouble for ML and himself. :angry:

 

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12 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

Grandma & Minglan talk about the second point. Minglan was a little hesitant because of that. What if in the future he schemes against me? That’s why she was avoiding him until his confession during the polo match. It’s only when he properly proposed that she accepted 

She accepted him but it doesn't mean that her doubt is gone. She accepted him for 2 reasons: 1. She liked him, 2. She understood that he was a suitable match for her. ML and Grandma was okay with it cuz they're both rational people, they knew the situation was set so they try to be the most okay that they could. However she doesn't fully trusts him and that issue lies with them for a long time. I understand that it was an era that you have to be manipulative to succeed, but you can not be all manipulative, especially when it comes to the one you love. For example before when ML included her brother CB in one of her schemes, she cried and drown in guilt although she had no other choice and Grandma supported her. What I don't agree about him is that he thinks of his schemes as a very casual thing and he doesn't show any sense of guilt at all. It's okay to be scheming under certain situations, but when you think scheming is the norm then it's not okay anymore. If he had told ML beforehand (or just hinted that he was actually planning to marry her) then I would have no problems with him at all.

 

And it is not just my opinion, bc the problem of him not being sincere and truthful enough exists in the book.

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You all are forgetting what happened when QH directly wanted to propose and how much ml suffered through that, so she definitely doesn't trust anyone again and she definitely doesn't need someone that just comes to promise her his love, 

You all are forgetting that GTY has been seen as a bad person in the society, even if ML vouches for his character in front of grandma, if he now tries to act all sweet, grandma will not trustvhim the more, as such he could inky show grandma his smartness and make her know he can take care of ML

You guys are forgetting the Era they are, If he just goes on to tell them about Rulan, no kine will even look at him not to talk of giving him minglan. They will just see him as a shameless rumor carrier officer. 

Most importantly, you all are forgetting that ML has feelings and this feelings has been hurt by doing things the pure way. As such, GTY does not want to be another man that promises but couldn't fulfill it.. He does not want to be a burden. So he will better be called a bad person or a schemer than put her in a hard position. Because if ML agrees to marrying him directly it will be purely because he saved her mother and he has helped her before.. That's all, but through this schemes, she understood him more and they have a mutual feelings now than before. 

 

It's was not a gentleman way on the part of GTY but was GTY ever a gentleman... Or is ML a gentle woman... No.. They are two people that have survived only through schemes and intense plan for the future because they believe that life is full of blacks and whites. 

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39 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

tv version 41 out

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I dunno why that channel is not available in my country im living in...I can access of their other shows only story of minglan is not available:anguished:

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