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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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47 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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That's what happened in the novel. Both of them have a trust issue. For ml she has to behave obediently without showing emotion. The one time she show her emotion when she blasting qh for naming his kids with her name. She did not trust gty enough to show her emotion fearing that if she did so, she will lost the good things in her life. Like a children who has to obedient or that his toys or privelege will be taken from him. Whilst for qty the way he handle manniang when manniang try kill ml, show the lack of love to ml. He didn't punish manniang severly, but just banished her fr the house. For the drama, maybe some change will be done to this scene. 

 

Hmmm interesting but judging from how GTY's feelings was portrayed in the drama, and they still go with the plot of banishing manniang after that, I thi k it's not because GTY doesn't love ming lan enough but it's because somehow this man that is so manipulative is still somehow softhearted towards manniang even though he doesn't love anyone but Ming lan.. I think GTY being angre at ming lan for not trusting him enough is just a childish argument because he felt that Ming lan doesn't really tell him everything she feels. And he just want to be the one she turns to at every corner for help, arguments and comfort.. He just wants to her upmost priority.. Very childish their love is.. And even though ming lan is also in love with him, she still wants to prepare for the bad days if he turns against her one day and that's why she doesn't want to invest in much emotional banter with GTY so that she won't be so disappointed if he betrays her, which won't happen. So I think they are just being childish and they also want to have some lover's spat since they have been too harmonized lately... Couples must have some childish and unreasonable fights to strengthen the relationship. Hahahahaj

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2 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

Hmmm interesting but judging from how GTY's feelings was portrayed in the drama, and they still go with the plot of banishing manniang after that, I thi k it's not because GTY doesn't love ming lan enough but it's because somehow this man that is so manipulative is still somehow softhearted towards manniang even though he doesn't love anyone but Ming lan.. I think GTY being angre at ming lan for not trusting him enough is just a childish argument because he felt that Ming lan doesn't really tell him everything she feels. And he just want to be the one she turns to at every corner for help, arguments and comfort.. He just wants to her upmost priority.. Very childish their love is.. And even though ming lan is also in love with him, she still wants to prepare for the bad days if he turns against her one day and that's why she doesn't want to invest in much emotional banter with GTY so that she won't be so disappointed if he betrays her, which won't happen. So I think they are just being childish and they also want to have some lover's spat since they have been too harmonized lately... Couples must to to strengthen the relationship. Hahahahaj

Ha ha.. Good one. 

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banishing MN might also be for his children sake. From the spoilers i've heard, it seems like GTY cares about his children alot more in the drama? correct me if i'm wrong please.

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1 minute ago, Lunkera said:

banishing MN might also be for his children sake. From the spoilers i've heard, it seems like GTY cares about his children alot more in the drama? correct me if i'm wrong please.

Oh yes that's true too. It might also be because of the children. At least even if the children are not with her, the children should also not have a father that killed their mother and I know GTY will not act the way SH did to concubine Lin since he doesn't even want her in his house at all

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27 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

I just want to point out that Cao cousin only appear in the capital because of GTY. She and her family were exiled due to her father's mistake as an official. She was already a concubine of this military official in far away city. It was GTY who bought her freedom and helped them get out of their exile status. He is also the one who told them to go to the capital instead of going back to their hometown. He asked Shitou Sao Paung (gang) family which business is transporting goods from city to city to help transport the Cao family back to the city. That is why Cao family were able to get back to the capital in fastest possible way. If GTY did not interfere, Cao family will still be in exile and Cao cousin won't come bother Dr. He and ML. 

 

The Cao family was released from exile because of the new emperor ascended the throne. Sooner or later, they WILL come back to the capital to ask for He family's help and try to guilt He Hongwen into accepting the cousin. GTY only asked Shitou to help them get back to the capital faster than they would have if they travel by themselves. It's better for Minglan to be aware of the problem before she marry into He household, if the Cao family comes back to the capital after the wedding, Minglan won't be able to get away by then and she'll have to deal with that Cao cousin for a long time. In the novel, it did mention that He Hongwen's main wife had a hard time dealing with the clinging Cao family long after she married into He family. Minglan dodged a bullet there.

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I hope that people will not say bad things about GTY when his ex come back, his step mom and bro, and the fight between him and ML. I can already see some audiences saying things like " GTY brought ML trouble " i feel like there will always be trouble and that is what keep the drama going. I just know that some people will say this and that about him when those things do happen because they all want the best for just ML. I also want the best for GTY but not just him i want it for him and ML as a family. People can go from 0 to 100 real quick. And about their fight, i hope it'll be a good reason why he/she, they misunderstand stuff but if it just lack of love and trust then ima be honest im quite disappointed because they seem to trust and love ( esp GTY ) each other already.

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All of us here are matured audience. We should be able to express our opinion freely as long as it was done politely. In many times we are agree to disagree and that's what make the forum lively. 

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
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That's what happened in the novel. Both of them have a trust issue. For ml she has to behave obediently without showing emotion. The one time she show her emotion when she blasting qh for naming his kids with her name. She did not trust gty enough to show her emotion fearing that if she did so, she will lost the good things in her life. Like a children who has to obedient or that his toys or privelege will be taken from him. Whilst for qty the way he handle manniang when manniang try kill ml, show the lack of love to ml. He didn't punish manniang severly, but just banished her fr the house. For the drama, maybe some change will be done to this scene. 

 

 

That’s what I’m curious of

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Since drama minglan is more open and comfortable with gty than novel minglan. Unless gty ask her directly and ml refuse to answer?

 

Good news for non mandarin speaker! A new translator has decided to pick up the novel translation :wub:

 

https://m.flying-lines.com/chapter/the-legend-of-the-concubine-s-daughter-minglan/c-27-lunch-moving-and-the-imperial-examination

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, bulubulu said:

I hope that people will not say bad things about GTY when his ex come back, his step mom and bro, and the fight between him and ML. I can already see some audiences saying things like " GTY brought ML trouble " i feel like there will always be trouble and that is what keep the drama going. I just know that some people will say this and that about him when those things do happen because they all want the best for just ML. I also want the best for GTY but not just him i want it for him and ML as a family. People can go from 0 to 100 real quick. And about their fight, i hope it'll be a good reason why he/she, they misunderstand stuff but if it just lack of love and trust then ima be honest im quite disappointed because they seem to trust and love ( esp GTY ) each other already.

 

I have a soft spot for GTY, but in the book I  didn't agree with what he did all the time and even with what ML did.

I think they love each other , but they are vulnerable because of what they went through.  GTY was never loved, ML had her granny but she lost her mom, her father didn't care.  GTY schemed to marry her, but he knew QH was her first choice. He said he wasn't worried but who knows deep down. And ML said it already, she was scared that she could lose her good life/her happiness. I don't think at all it's going to be lack of love, but it could be fear or lack of trust, lack of communication. They need to learn how to love and how to trust,.

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Since it's likely they keep the fire accident, ML could feel hurt by his reaction. Maybe she won't say anything, but she might change her behaviour. In the novel only in the end and after they made up, she found out he did it to protect himself and them.  I hope the keep the scene of them after making up when they tell each other everything.

And maybe her change of behaviour with her meeting QH, it's going to spark his insecurities.

I doubt they are going to make gTY or ML look bad, I hope they keep their consistency. I have doubts about QH.

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3 minutes ago, fra8 said:

 

I have a soft spot for GTY, but in the book I  didn't agree with what he did all the time and even with what ML did.

I think they love each other , but they are vulnerable because of what they went through.  GTY was never loved, ML had her granny but she lost her mom, her father didn't care.  GTY schemed to marry her, but he knew QH was her first choice. He said he wasn't worried but who knows deep down. And ML said it already, she was scared that she could lose her good life/her happiness. I don't think at all it's going to be lack of love, but it could be fear or lack of trust, lack of communication. They need to learn how to love and how to trust,.

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Since it's likely they keep the fire accident, ML could feel hurt by his reaction. Maybe she won't say anything, but she might change her behaviour. Only in the end and after they made up, she found out he did it to protect himself and them. 

And maybe her change of behaviour with her meeting QH, it's going to spark his insecurities.

I doubt they are going to make gTY or ML look bad, I hope they keep their consistency. I have doubts about QH.

 

I think you’re right

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It could be after the childbirth, the trailers are so jumpy.. It muddled the timeline a bit

 

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2 hours ago, Suzzy San said:

Hmmm interesting but judging from how GTY's feelings was portrayed in the drama, and they still go with the plot of banishing manniang after that, I thi k it's not because GTY doesn't love ming lan enough but it's because somehow this man that is so manipulative is still somehow softhearted towards manniang even though he doesn't love anyone but Ming lan.. I think GTY being angre at ming lan for not trusting him enough is just a childish argument because he felt that Ming lan doesn't really tell him everything she feels. And he just want to be the one she turns to at every corner for help, arguments and comfort.. He just wants to her upmost priority.. Very childish their love is.. And even though ming lan is also in love with him, she still wants to prepare for the bad days if he turns against her one day and that's why she doesn't want to invest in much emotional banter with GTY so that she won't be so disappointed if he betrays her, which won't happen. So I think they are just being childish and they also want to have some lover's spat since they have been too harmonized lately... Couples must have some childish and unreasonable fights to strengthen the relationship. Hahahahaj

 

1 hour ago, Lunkera said:

banishing MN might also be for his children sake. From the spoilers i've heard, it seems like GTY cares about his children alot more in the drama? correct me if i'm wrong please.

Yes, in the novel spoilers, banishing Maniang instead of something harsher like death was not because of any remaining feelings for her but for the sake of their kids. I think because he didn’t them to have resentment towards him or ML. In the novel, the son was pretty much like elder Gu bro, brainwashed by Maniang to hate ML. 

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1 hour ago, gleek49 said:

 

The Cao family was released from exile because of the new emperor ascended the throne. Sooner or later, they WILL come back to the capital to ask for He family's help and try to guilt He Hongwen into accepting the cousin. GTY only asked Shitou to help them get back to the capital faster than they would have if they travel by themselves. It's better for Minglan to be aware of the problem before she marry into He household, if the Cao family comes back to the capital after the wedding, Minglan won't be able to get away by then and she'll have to deal with that Cao cousin for a long time. In the novel, it did mention that He Hongwen's main wife had a hard time dealing with the clinging Cao family long after she married into He family. Minglan dodged a bullet there.

well...if you listen to GTY and ML's conversation in TV epi 40, GTY admitted he paid for Cao cousin's freedom from being a concubine of a military official in the city where she was exiled. Then, he asked someone to suggest Cao family to go to capital instead of their original plan of returning to their hometown. Cao cousin was already married to this official as concubine, her parents were not capable to buy her freedom and she wouldn't be able to come to the capital without GTY's money. In the novel, Cao cousin has two shu sisters who also became concubines of others but they couldn't come back to the capital with the family because the parents did not buy their freedom back. Of course, after Cao cousin is in the capital, she will try to attach herself to Dr. He. My point is GTY prevented ML's marriage to Dr. He by starting the fire (Cao cousin's freedom) so that he can marry ML himself. He was not just looking out for ML's future by letting her know in advance of Cao cousin's existence. 

I'm not saying GTY is evil. I understand it is fair game in fighting for what he wants. Just pointing out he manipulated others' lives, not just accelerated things that were bound to happen. 

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24 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

well...if you listen to GTY and ML's conversation in TV epi 40, GTY admitted he paid for Cao cousin's freedom from being a concubine of a military official in the city where she was exiled. Then, he asked someone to suggest Cao family to go to capital instead of their original plan of returning to their hometown. Cao cousin was already married to this official as concubine, her parents were not capable to buy her freedom and she wouldn't be able to come to the capital without GTY's money. In the novel, Cao cousin has two shu sisters who also became concubines of others but they couldn't come back to the capital with the family because the parents did not buy their freedom back. Of course, after Cao cousin is in the capital, she will try to attach herself to Dr. He. My point is GTY prevented ML's marriage to Dr. He by starting the fire (Cao cousin's freedom) so that he can marry ML himself. He was not just looking out for ML's future by letting her know in advance of Cao cousin's existence. 

I'm not saying GTY is evil. I understand it is fair game in fighting for what he wants. Just pointing out he manipulated others' lives, not just accelerated things that were bound to happen. 

 

Yes, you're right, in the drama it he did buy them their freedom. What I said was what I remember from the book. I understand that it's not your intention to slander GTY. 

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1 hour ago, fra8 said:

 

I have a soft spot for GTY, but in the book I  didn't agree with what he did all the time and even with what ML did.

I think they love each other , but they are vulnerable because of what they went through.  GTY was never loved, ML had her granny but she lost her mom, her father didn't care.  GTY schemed to marry her, but he knew QH was her first choice. He said he wasn't worried but who knows deep down. And ML said it already, she was scared that she could lose her good life/her happiness. I don't think at all it's going to be lack of love, but it could be fear or lack of trust, lack of communication. They need to learn how to love and how to trust,.

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Since it's likely they keep the fire accident, ML could feel hurt by his reaction. Maybe she won't say anything, but she might change her behaviour. In the novel only in the end and after they made up, she found out he did it to protect himself and them.  I hope the keep the scene of them after making up when they tell each other everything.

And maybe her change of behaviour with her meeting QH, it's going to spark his insecurities.

I doubt they are going to make gTY or ML look bad, I hope they keep their consistency. I have doubts about QH.

Aw that makes me feel sad. I just want to see them happy with no troubles but thats impossible..maybe near the end. I hope they dont get mad at each other for a long time and make up quickly. The fear of trust and love...i mean...thats pretty much lacking trust/love..ahh 

 

On the other side its only the beginning of their new life why am i thinking about these things already. Why cant i just enjoy their loveliness while it last now haha. I will just focus on this so i dont feel too sad.

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46 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

well...if you listen to GTY and ML's conversation in TV epi 40, GTY admitted he paid for Cao cousin's freedom from being a concubine of a military official in the city where she was exiled. Then, he asked someone to suggest Cao family to go to capital instead of their original plan of returning to their hometown. Cao cousin was already married to this official as concubine, her parents were not capable to buy her freedom and she wouldn't be able to come to the capital without GTY's money. In the novel, Cao cousin has two shu sisters who also became concubines of others but they couldn't come back to the capital with the family because the parents did not buy their freedom back. Of course, after Cao cousin is in the capital, she will try to attach herself to Dr. He. My point is GTY prevented ML's marriage to Dr. He by starting the fire (Cao cousin's freedom) so that he can marry ML himself. He was not just looking out for ML's future by letting her know in advance of Cao cousin's existence. 

I'm not saying GTY is evil. I understand it is fair game in fighting for what he wants. Just pointing out he manipulated others' lives, not just accelerated things that were bound to happen. 

The principal problem with Dr. He is not the cousin, is his soft-hearted nature, and that's what ML tells grandma when she thinks of the future years with him in the marriage. That soft heart will show soon or later being with the cousin or other things.

 

GTY is obviously manipulating to his own benefit but at the end of the day he is only showing the truth about Dr.He, same way ML told GTY about Manniang, and even if GTY didn't have feelings for ML and didn't want to marry her I think is good for ML to know better Dr.He before marriage so she can decide.

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14 minutes ago, anzomi said:

The principal problem with Dr. He is not the cousin, is his soft-hearted nature, and that's what ML tells grandma when she thinks of the future years with him in the marriage. That soft heart will show soon or later being with the cousin or other things.

 

GTY is obviously manipulating to his own benefit but at the end of the day he is only showing the truth about Dr.He, same way ML told GTY about Manniang, and even if GTY didn't have feelings for ML and didn't want to marry her I think is good for ML to know better Dr.He before marriage so she can decide.

My thought exactly and that dr he weakest point that ml can not accept. 

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In my opinion, possibly with the exception of Doc He, CB and wife (that we can see so far), everyone is a schemer in this drama, whether it’s for survival, revenge, or to get something they want. The difference is that each one schemes within their abilities and character. QH pulled little innocent schemes that in his mind is not harmful whereas GTY and ML pulled some whopping ones but they all did it within their characters and perceptions.  Same for the others, SH, CL, Molan, Madame Liang, etc. They all have their flaws and their good points.  And both QH and GTY have the right to feel the way they do because each has their own perspectives of what’s going on. For me, the fact that these characters have been able to generate this much discussion is a testament to the writers and actors for the great job they did. I also enjoy reading everyone’s varied opinions. :)

 

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If everyone agreed with the eachother the world would be very boring. Arguing is fine as long as we don't insult eachother ^^

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5 hours ago, nichiwoohee said:

forgive me, but I think someone posted before how gty feels insecure, he felt ML isn’t revealing her true self with gty but do so with qh? Is this the correct translation? If it is, how so? Gty is the one ML could let loose with other than grandma.. 

I’ve commented before that I think GTY may feel insecure based on what him and ML said to each other in the love triangle trailer. It’s not about ML not being her true self since they changed that in the drama, but they also gave us more feelings between QH and ML than in the novel. I think they will have everything but the words I Love You. They have admiration, respect for each other, and happiness. And since GTY knew about the romantic feelings between QH and ML, after seeing their little meeting, there’s probably some insecurities there that he’s not in ML’s heart. Imagine what it would feel like to be in love with the person you’re married to but that person may still be in love with someone else. He’s very much in love with ML and may want the security of knowing she feels the same way. Based on ML’s remark to GTY in the trailer, GTY hasn’t mentioned love either and maybe that will also make him realize that he himself wasn’t completely honest with his feelings even though he tells her he admired her, I don’t think he’s mentioned love yet. No matter how great some actions are, sometimes people just need the security of those three little words or that they have a place in each other’s heart. 

 

That’s just my take on what their little personal crisis point could be about based on the little bit I saw in that love triangle trailer. We’ll see how they actually play it out when that part comes since these trailers can be misleading. 

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