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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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Haha .. I watch today raw eps. So funny when Ming lan realize that GTY actually plan to marry ML instead of RL. 

GTY also know that ML was match with He hong wan from CB.

GTy also said he was so happy till can't sleep when know there cousin of he Hong Wan.  I think gty was the one who invite the cousin and make scene to cancel the engagement between ML and he Hong Wan..  Lol... 

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9 hours ago, zenya22 said:

in ep 35, I don't know what strategy that was from the strategems of war that Princess Qi the mother of QHY used to save her life. She saw her in laws killed right before her eyes and she started acting crazy and hysterical and instead of getting killed by the imperial concubine, she got thrown out in the streets. Good thinking lady.... whatever strategy it was, it worked. I am presuming here since the drama did not show how she survived after she got thrown out into the streets but she probably had someone waiting to take her. 

 

She must have also warned her son Yuan Ruo to stay away and her husband survived too. She seemed to know what was going down. 

@zenya22  I also thought she knew something was up when the concubine called all the ministers wives to the palace and like you I think she gave her husband and son the headsup not to go no where near the palace.. Just say for the sake of it's snowing:w00t: Loved her for that but she had sense enough to play crazy and save her own life.. Who care if she was thrown in the streets like her sister atleast she's alive.. I just don;t get why the imperial; concubine blamed her for her sister death.. It was not her who told them to kidnap the girl and repeatdly rape her.. I thought by her killing that family she let them off to easy.. She could have made that sister end up a divorcee and turned her into a slave after she had been repeatdly rape.. Especially if she had to be a slave to the very man her parents did such a horrible deed for her to have him.. She have made her serve his new wife as they could have gave the order for ML to marry QH..

 

11 hours ago, watchumlots said:

1)  ConcubineLin... DEAD.  Glad Granny finally caused him to see the light.  Loved that he ran out to see ConcubineLin and confirm what Granny said and felt like such a fool.  'Cause he was!  Some scholar he was to get played so bad by a scheming concubine.  'Hubby' said that he was going to kill her, and the way that servant went after her with that club, it looks like he got his wish.  I think it was more than skin infection that kilt her, she probably had major internal injuries.  Getting whacked like that with a massive club like that one is going to do some major damage:  spine, intestines, you name it! 

@watchumlots  Good seeing you here also.. 

Dad set out to kill her like I've posted before he knew the punisher had special skills that could kill from such blows.. He stop it and sent her out of the home to uphold his dignity.. He could be seen as a husband killer not allowing her to have any medical treatment he knew it would become infectious and she would die.. Remember he told her after he stop her beating that he'll kill her and so he did..

SH trying to blame his youth on his stupidity, Halmoni basically told him she didn't buy that is just he was henpeck.. Now when it come down to Big Mdm dowry she should hacve been checking her assets and demanding her things back the Lil witch Molan would have went to the house with nothing.. She had already gave herself to him (meaning they already had the whole cow why put a bell on it to) Couldn't believe she denanded he get dowry from the wife and granny..   In my opinion they should have thrown both the sluts out of the house after a good beating.

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Minglan was the hot property in that household. Courted by QH, Liang Madam, Dr He, GTY and QH again!

 

Molan must have been 2yrs+ older than ML so I can see why mother and daughter were panicking.

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48 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

Concubine Lin used food as a weapon against Concubine Wei. Minglan used Concubine Lin's greed and ambition against her. Both were murderers even if they didn't weild a knife. What Minglan did to get revenge for mother was also reprehensible. 

 

There are no real villains or heroes in the backyard. Just women who were struggling to survive and they can for themselves and their children. 

 

What Minglan did was nothing compared to what CL did to her mother, who was completely innocent.  ML tried to get her father to reopen this issue but he refused.  She finally got proof on her own after going through all that investigation to get to the truth.

 

As for the whole Molan affair, ML just made them jealous by hinting that she was going to get married to 6th Liang and that made them panic.  She really didn't do anything beyond that except made sure they got caught for the crimes that they came up with themselves.

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16 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

Now when it come down to Big Mdm dowry she should hacve been checking her assets and demanding her things back the Lil witch Molan would have went to the house with nothing.. She had already gave herself to him (meaning they already had the whole cow why put a bell on it to) Couldn't believe she denanded he get dowry from the wife and granny..   In my opinion they should have thrown both the sluts out of the house after a good beating.

 

The assets were Sheng properties (SH's assets from the family division) not DaNiang's dowry.  It was considered shameful for a scholar to touch a woman's dowry. Lin demanding other women's dowry was also shameful.

 

Old Madam pushed SH to carry out family punishment on Lin. It had to be done otherwise his sons and family would never respect him. I have a feeling he might have forgiven her if she hadn't exposed her true colours in that fight.

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41 minutes ago, dashmount20 said:

Haha .. I watch today raw eps. So funny when Ming lan realize that GTY actually plan to marry ML instead of RL. 

GTY also know that ML was match with He hong wan from CB.

GTy also said he was so happy till can't sleep when know there cousin of he Hong Wan.  I think gty was the one who invite the cousin and make scene to cancel the engagement between ML and he Hong Wan..  Lol... 

 Yes when she asked him how he knew he said, how wouldn't I know and then she said you organised it. and he explained how. at least that's what I understood with my little knowledge of mandarin

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8 minutes ago, deslynn88 said:

What Minglan did was nothing compared to what CL did to her mother, who was completely innocent.  ML tried to get her father to reopen this issue but he refused.  She finally got proof on her own after going through all that investigation to get to the truth.

 

I'm not comparing the acts but the 'intent'. Both Lin and Minglan both carried out acts intending to kill the other party. In fact, ML only confessed after Lin was dead which was her revenge goal. I'm not saying ML is evil but she can be just as blackhearted.

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6 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

The assets were Sheng properties (SH's assets from the family division) not DaNiang's dowry.  It was considered shameful for a scholar to touch a woman's dowry. Lin demanding other women's dowry was also shameful.

 

Old Madam pushed SH to carry out family punishment on Lin. It had to be done otherwise his sons and family would never respect him. I have a feeling he might have forgiven her if she hadn't exposed her true colours in that fight.

When Concubine Lin was screaming for help in the farmstead prison,ML's aunt said that she has brought shame to the Sheng household and encouraged the servants to ignore giving her medical treatment while bribing them.

Letting CL experience the absence of medical treatment was ML's idea of revenge.Didn't look like old madam or SH had any idea about it.My observations are purely based on the episodes.

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2 hours ago, paras said:

Preview of the wedding -

 

He went all out to show all those people how successful he is now and how good a life ML is going to get. Also I heard that they used this wedding as their wedding in real life. xD I can't help but like him. he is perfect for ML

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10 hours ago, gleek49 said:

 

In the book, the dynasty was all made up. The old emperor had a lot of sons to choose from: Yong Wang = 3rd prince, Yan Wang = 4th Prince and the new Emperor = 8th prince. The 8th prince was young and reigned for a long time. They are not allowed to portray fictional dynasty in broadcasted drama, so the scriptwriters had to find an actual historic time to fit with the story, that's why we have the drama set in Northern Song period and a father-son duo being emperors instead of just 1 prince. And I think this change is connected to GTY falls from grace arc. Because both of these changes are not in the book.

 

 

Im not sure that is true because NIF 1/2  are a fictional dynasty right?

 

5 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

I saw the expression too & he had a worrisome expression when the previous emperor told him to never slight GTY & house of Gu & was praising him. GTY will probably go to prison cuz of him but will be released due to Ml & be demoted. He became a foot soldier again right? There will probably be another rebellion & he will be promoted again because of the son,the next emperor

 

3 hours ago, paras said:

Preview of the wedding -

 

Omg so excited for the sweet and romantic moments to come.

 

2 hours ago, mooose said:

 

Concubine Lin used food as a weapon against Concubine Wei. Minglan used Concubine Lin's greed and ambition against her. Both were murderers even if they didn't weild a knife. What Minglan did to get revenge for mother was also reprehensible. 

 

There are no real villains or heroes in the backyard. Just women who were struggling to survive and they can for themselves and their children. 

 

I dont really think ML is a murderer its not like she pushed SH to kill Lin it only happened after SH found out Lin was cheating him and never loved him etc.. All ML did was make her sister jealous that is basically it.

 

2 hours ago, sava2sava said:

Now when it come down to Big Mdm dowry she should hacve been checking her assets and demanding her things back the Lil witch Molan would have went to the house with nothing.. She had already gave herself to him (meaning they already had the whole cow why put a bell on it to) Couldn't believe she denanded he get dowry from the wife and granny..   In my opinion they should have thrown both the sluts out of the house after a good beating.

 

Thankfully SH is not some shameless to ask his wife/mother for their dowry so she still did good with basically nothing.

 

1 hour ago, deslynn88 said:

 

What Minglan did was nothing compared to what CL did to her mother, who was completely innocent.  ML tried to get her father to reopen this issue but he refused.  She finally got proof on her own after going through all that investigation to get to the truth.

 

As for the whole Molan affair, ML just made them jealous by hinting that she was going to get married to 6th Liang and that made them panic.  She really didn't do anything beyond that except made sure they got caught for the crimes that they came up with themselves.

 

Totally agree ML just made her sister jealous and let them act she never pushed them together or pushed SH to kill Lin at all. 

1 hour ago, mooose said:

 

I'm not comparing the acts but the 'intent'. Both Lin and Minglan both carried out acts intending to kill the other party. In fact, ML only confessed after Lin was dead which was her revenge goal. I'm not saying ML is evil but she can be just as blackhearted.

 

Totally disagree i dont think ML set out act's intending to kill Lin she wanted revenge but even if she did set out to kill the murderer of her mother and unborn brother i dont see that as blackhearted either. SH is the one who killed Lin not ML if Lin acted still in love with SH she most likely would not have died. 

 

1 hour ago, minglan1 said:

When Concubine Lin was screaming for help in the farmstead prison,ML's aunt said that she has brought shame to the Sheng household and encouraged the servants to ignore giving her medical treatment while bribing them.

Letting CL experience the absence of medical treatment was ML's idea of revenge.Didn't look like old madam or SH had any idea about it.My observations are purely based on the episodes.

 

I mean SH never pushed for treatment either he could have directly sent people there to treat her. 

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Minglan did nothing but use their own greed, Fear and jealousy against then and than set back to watch the show. If mother and daughter had been smart or savvy enough to Actually think out their actions ML would not have been able to overthrow them. 

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5 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Didn't i tell u not to call me uncle!! Lol

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LOL... I laugh when I read this part in novel.. GTY corrected ML to call him as "Husband" or else she got punishment.. When ML call him husband, she end up EATEN by GTY.. Muahahahaha.. Im sure the eat up the wifey part will be milder in drama.. But we can hope to see some kisses scenes right.. HAHAHAHAH (pervert mode on) :phew:

 

1 hour ago, darkphoenix123 said:

Episode 40 was love. GTY told empress he was busy preparing the dowry for his bride & empress said that his bride was very lucky all the while looking at Minglan. She gave him a pin she was wearing to give his bride as her dowry & THE BEST PART WAS MOLAN,MAMA LIANG & GTY’S STEP MUM WERE THERE. Molan must be so jealous lmao. Anyone else feeling smug/petty?

 

Let us throw confetti around, use party hats and burn some fireworks to celebrate Molan, Mdm Liang n Mdm Gu jealous expression... Hahahahaha :star:

 

25 minutes ago, mooose said:

Minglan was the hot property in that household. Courted by QH, Liang Madam, Dr He, GTY and QH again!

 

Molan must have been 2yrs+ older than ML so I can see why mother and daughter were panicking.

 

Our dearest little lamb Minglan is the "HOT STUFF" of Sheng family.. hahahah... 

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@leeza  Thanks for this trialer

 Now someone correct me if I'm wrong, After the marriage it seems the women in the Gu house have gathered and already pick out a concubine for GTY and has tolxd this child that she'll become his concubine and they attacking ML to accept or have GTY to take her in afterwards ML told them that GTY will never take in another women and this girl breaks out and cry..  I;m trying to figure out which uncle she's related to.. They still going after his assets by using the other Gu daughters.. I don;t think GTY dad house is doing to well now..  

 

Also thanks @Ditto  And everyine else for the video links and conversation.. First time I've been so invested in a Chinese drama thread and I'm enjoying every minute of it..

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1 minute ago, mooose said:

 

I'm not comparing the acts but the 'intent'. Both Lin and Minglan both carried out acts intending to kill the other party. In fact, ML only confessed after Lin was dead which was her revenge goal. I'm not saying ML is evil but she can be just as blackhearted.

The intent could not have happened if only Sheng Hong wasn’t so wipped. This man was a LOSER, A WIMP and CRUEL ( In my opinion). His child died and his concubine died because of the woman he put on a pedestal. He was okay with her negligence of not helping Concubine Wei. He care a lot about the Sheng reputation than the happiness of his family.  A woman who would have still found a way to destroy his career without the help of Ming Lan. I think the intent was just on Ming Lan’s side. Mind Lan’s intent would not have worked if Concubine Lin and MoLan was good people. I fear if Ming Lan hadn’t done what she did. MoLan and Concubine Lin would still getting all the attention and  still have chosen the same route that just happened but it would have revealed secretly and SH would have forgiven her. What upset him the first time around was the fact she was one who spread the new around so that they can get a quicker result. So in my opinion ML only pushed her plan foward. 

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20 hours ago, deslynn88 said:

 

Part of me wonders if ML makes a big deal about this to Grandma on purpose.  She's complaining but I have a feeling she's secretly pleased at all the effort he put into his planning and wants Grandma to know as well.  We all know how she hides her real emotions very well from her family, even in front of her Grandma.

She did explained to grandma when grandma asked how she felt.  She actually said that she was pleased someone would go to such length to get her then she started to be angry with him because he manipulated her family and she felt like giving him a slap....:joy:  So she actually told grandma the truth and all in all they admired him for his audacity.  

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The blunt fact is: Grandma did a pretty poor job of raising Dad to be a strong and discerning man.She should have put as much care and wisdom into him as she has Ming Lan.

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44 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I mean SH never pushed for treatment either he could have directly sent people there to treat her. 

ML gave the impression that it was being done under the orders of big Madam.It wasn't true but her manipulation.

SH might be under the same impression since the servants would have conveyed to him as they did to nanny Fang.

He wouldn't dare to go and question his Mother on this.It might be the reason why ML refused to divulge about her grand task to grandmother.She might have objected if she had know about it earlier.

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38 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

@leeza  Thanks for this trialer

 Now someone correct me if I'm wrong, After the marriage it seems the women in the Gu house have gathered and already pick out a concubine for GTY and has tolxd this child that she'll become his concubine and they attacking ML to accept or have GTY to take her in afterwards ML told them that GTY will never take in another women and this girl breaks out and cry..  I;m trying to figure out which uncle she's related to.. They still going after his assets by using the other Gu daughters.. I don;t think GTY dad house is doing to well now..  

 

Also thanks @Ditto  And everyine else for the video links and conversation.. First time I've been so invested in a Chinese drama thread and I'm enjoying every minute of it..

Haven’t looked at the previews or anything but the Gu’s are not very rich and most of their assets came from GTY’s mother’s dowry.  In my opinion, they’re very greedy and only saw GTY’s mother as their $$ source. In the novel spoilers, they were trying to keep GTY from it all because they didn’t want to loose their cushy life, but the only time they brought up giving GTY a concubine was about a year after marriage because ML hadn’t gotten pregnant yet so they used that as the excuse.  GTY shut them down and right after that found out that ML was already pregnant.  After being newly married, concubines don’t usually get introduced unless the wife can’t get pregnant because of inheritance issues (unless the husband is a womanizer like 6th Liang son). Once a sufficient amount of time has passed, family members can press that the main wife accept a concubine to ensure children and use the execuse of filial piety and being a virtuous wife to force the main wife’s hand. We’ll see how they play it out in the drama.

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4 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww  I love this clip so much.  They will be power couple.  So sweet when he laughed and said he has never been so happy and she replied, me neither.  I am very happy as well....

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17 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

ML gave the impression that it was being done under the orders of big Madam.It wasn't true but her manipulation.

SH might be under the same impression since the servants would have conveyed to him as they did to nanny Fang.

He wouldn't dare to go and question his Mother on this.It might be the reason why ML refused to divulge about her grand task to grandmother.She might have objected if she had know about it earlier.

 

Uhm im not sure either way ML is not blackhearted even if she stabbed Lin right in the heart Lin deserves it , the reality is some people just deserve to be killed and Lin was that type of person ML is not blackhearted or anywhere near what Lin was. 

14 minutes ago, hello210 said:

Haven’t looked at the previews or anything but the Gu’s are not very rich and most of their assets came from GTY’s mother’s dowry.  In my opinion, they’re very greedy and only saw GTY’s mother as their $$ source. In the novel spoilers, they were trying to keep GTY from it all because they didn’t want to loose their cushy life, but the only time they brought up giving GTY a concubine was about a year after marriage because ML hadn’t gotten pregnant yet. GTY shut them down and right after that found out that ML was already pregnant.  After being newly married, concubines don’t usually get introduced unless the wife can’t get pregnant because of inheritance issues (unless the husband is a womanizer like 6th Liang son). Once a sufficient amount of time has passed, family members can press that the main wife accept a concubine to ensure children and use the execuse of filial piety and being a virtuous wife to force the main wife’s hand. We’ll see how they play it out in the drama.

 

Actually in the book didnt they send people over and servants to try get GTY not just GU's but ML's step mother as well they were all trying to push women into GTY's arm's.

 

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