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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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4 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

NiF is on my list to watch.Since I am enjoying story of minglan.I want to give it a try after this drama ends.

 

NIF is amazing truly one of the best if not the best Chinese show's. 

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4 minutes ago, watchumlots said:

 

 

4)  RouSis marrying the scholar will please her father... although not the part about her secretly meeting him.  I think that's a major NO-NO.  The poor long-suffering wife, RouSis's mother... She has only caught one break in her entire life, when ConcubineLin and MoSis got caught, and now her daughter is caught sneaking out.  Appears that out of the three 'daughters,' only MingLan will make a good marriage.  

 

Closing-in on Ep 40, that's a lot of background until the main character gets launched.  I am loving every minute of this series! 

 

At least she has a good son in CB who is respectable and he also has a good wife so that's good , i think Roulan and her scholar will have a good marriage at least i hope. 

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24 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

I think from now until end there will be several years passed in the drama so i think they are having the new Rong'er actress to the end. Also a child her age can usually interract with the cast better than the previous actress since she was too young. I've seen this in other drama. So i think the two reason is because several years will pass and it will be better with an actress that can interract with the cast. Because children were alot more mature during that era compared to today. I've seen something similiar in the korean drama "Come, Jang Bori" the female leads adopted daughter was supposed to be 5 or something like that while the actress was 8 or 9.

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Yes, should be lapsed of few years. The demise of emperor was a ban for marriage and that ban should be at least for a year. And gty went out for a mission to crush rebellion and surely will take quite some time for that. 

 

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17 minutes ago, watchumlots said:

4)  RouSis marrying the scholar will please her father... although not the part about her secretly meeting him.  I think that's a major NO-NO.  The poor long-suffering wife, RouSis's mother... She has only caught one break in her entire life, when ConcubineLin and MoSis got caught, and now her daughter is caught sneaking out.  Appears that out of the three 'daughters,' only MingLan will make a good marriage.  

 

RuLan marrying the scholar likely will not please her father at all. And definitely not the mother lol. The poor scholar with the farming background is the candidate Sheng Hong found to marry MoLan. He was fit for marriage to an illegitimate daughter but definitely not the legitimate daughter.

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11 hours ago, samanatha_xyooj said:

Can anyone determine what is the time jump since QH wife was killed during the rebellion to the time now when GTY/ML are about to get engage?

 

I'm starting to hate QH. Even if he was forced into marrying the princess and of course the princess was killed. QH couldn't even protect his wife.

 

How dare he have the guts to blame GTY that he came between them. QH can't even protect ML in the past and how the hell  is he supposed to protect ML in the future?????...

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I will say it is between 3 to 6 months. Imperial mourning/ emperor demise is usually 3 months unless new emperor declares something. QH also said that he can take imperial exam very soon in Spring after seeing new emperor's announcement to hold additional exam and the weather at that time seems towards winter (no leaves on the tree though drama didn't clearly show snow).  

QH did not really blame GTY coming between them. He did not know GTY's feeling for ML. He just said that GTY should know he has ML in his heart. He just asks him why he accepted Sheng's family betrothal of ML to him (as he and his mom were told by grandma that by the time GTY asked for marriage for Sheng family's daughter, di daughter RL just got engaged to Wen scholar and GTY came late. That's why GTY accepted ML to be engaged to him.)  So, from this line of reasoning, he then said it is not like ML has to be the girl you marry. GTY then said how do you know ML is not the one I must have. 

 

@leeza77It has been not more than 2 yrs since ML met Rong'er. The child should be no more than 7-8 since she was about 5 when ML met her. The child actress they used is totally miscast for age though I do understand that it will be better with older child to do many interaction scenes if the crew did not want to keep replacing new child actor every 2-3 years timeline plot. 

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@leeza77 Yes, but they might also be sticking with the child until almost the end of the show. Since from now until the end a few years should pass. It might be a way to not have to switch actress so often. That's the problem with having children in the drama and there is no 10+ year timeskip. They have to change actress a few times. I atleast had a good first impression of the new child who plays Rong'er

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8 hours ago, frenchfan said:

I really dislike Dr He's cousin and her mum.  :triumph:

Reminded me of Linniang and Molan all over again.  "If you don't marry me, let me die.....bohoo hoo"....Kind of like Manniang as well.  So pathetic.  And you could see that Dr He is too kind hearted and got completely bought over with tears.  But I really like Minglan when she stayed firm and said that "If you choose her then you cannot have me too".  I need to be with someone who will think of me as a priority in his heart.  Otherwise, I rather not marry".  And she maintained that Dr He's solution to help the cousin by letting her stay on to help around the house not a solution.  Bravo Minglan!  At least she was clear that she will not tolerate hanky panky :smiley::thumbsup:

I think drama Dr. He is a bit stronger than the book. In epi 38, He actually quieted his sao aunt when that woman called ML little richard simmons by raising his voice and telling her she has no place at He family. He did not do that in the book :D

 

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I understand why QH got upset with GTY (for chasing ML), I ask a question to you all, how do you feel if your friend (I'm not sure how close QH with GTY, but the closer the worst) going after your ex (we can say ML is QH's ex) who you still have feeling for? like there are so many girl out there but why you want mine, and in this case, GTY knows exactly QH's case (gave up ML because for her safety, not because he doesn't love/want her anymore). I'm not taking any side (GTY or QH) just not biased toward certain character.

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1 hour ago, minglan1 said:

It is the magic of Song era special diet.It makes Rong grow up in a jiffy.GTY fight multiple soldiers/bandits sucessfully without getting a scratch.:lol:

 

One hell of a diet then.. all of the adults stay the same :lol:

 

1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Its just a time skip but even then she should not be that big unless like 6+ years have passed from when we last saw her but i dont think thats true? 

 

She looked at least 12 to me but maybe i didnt see it properly, maybe 9 or something that could make more sense i dunno anymore. I cant remember how old she was before we last saw her and how long has it been since then, 4 year's?

 

I think the last time probably 6/7? And yeah she look 12-ish.. just a bit weird to see without any warning. All we see when time changes is the treeline and servants sweeping :D

 

1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

Ahhahaha. 

She's a total kid when it comes to him I find. 

And she got away with her lil scheme in the end, so clearly she can accuse him of trying the same! :lol:

 

Kids grow up REAL QUICK during that time! Hahahaha

 

Yes! She puts her guards 

down with him, proper minglan with others, bratty minglan with GTY and that’s so sweet

 

48 minutes ago, darkphoenix123 said:

 

 

The first part of your reply made me lol because it is so true. I hope she realizes later how similar to her scheming this was even if it was for different reasons lmao

 

She’s mad because as a person who have been very careful planning her life, here comes a rascal who blindsided her, just like what she did to others :P

 

if anything else fails, gty could have say

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I already hugged  her, touched her feet.. by moral code I should have married her a long time ago :joy:

 

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6 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

I understand why QH got upset with GTY (for chasing ML), I ask a question to you all, how do you feel if your friend (I'm not sure how close QH with GTY, but the closer the worst) going after your ex (we can say ML is QH's ex) who you still have feeling for? like there are so many girl out there but why you want mine, and in this case, GTY knows exactly QH's case (gave up ML because for her safety, not because he doesn't love/want her anymore). I'm not taking any side (GTY or QH) just not biased toward certain character.

 

Well i for one dont disagree with what QH is saying to GTY in that scene it makes scenes from QH's pov but we have just seen alot of GTY so were obviously biased towards him. QH in that scene is right to say what he said considering he still loves ML and GTY has had a bad rep and he obviously knows QH likes her still. He can get upset here but after they are married he really need's to let go, if he turns vengeful i will be annoyed towards the writers. 

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10 hours ago, deslynn88 said:

 

Part of me wonders if ML makes a big deal about this to Grandma on purpose.  She's complaining but I have a feeling she's secretly pleased at all the effort he put into his planning and wants Grandma to know as well.  We all know how she hides her real emotions very well from her family, even in front of her Grandma.

At that point, ML doesn't have feelings for GTY as lover. She feels gratitude towards him. When GTY told ML to say lucky words, she told him she will wait for him before going to rescuing emperor from rebellion. He then replied to her saying I must come back if you're waiting for me with suggested undertone as if male and female waiting, she corrected saying "I didn't mean that". 

ML fell for GTY's proposal during their second alone meeting, the conversation at the end with him bowing and saying he will treat her equally (she will get what he will get), he has admired her for a long time and he is sincerely requesting her hands for marriage to live together till old age and death.

Also, a lot of people trying to guess ML's feeling after finding out GTY asks for RL's hands. I do not think she was feeling upset and she shouldn't be. She herself was in this limbo potential marriage with Dr. He that she would not stop and think "why GTY is not asking for me" plus she hasn't seen him in that way yet.

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1 hour ago, Golden Flower said:

@jewelsc @dito @frenchfan @darkphoenix123 @minglan1 @samanatha_xyooj

Again, I'm not trying to defend QH as I never consider him as second male lead and part of love triangle while listening to the book. I also do not like the way the writers have started writing QH in these upcoming episodes. However, I just wanna clarify some stuff for those who hasn't watched the recent episodes and previews with sub. I'm only discussing up to the point of his conversation with GTY in preview and try to reason QH's thoughts by being in his shoes.

Before I start with QH, GTY as a character has been pretty lucky in the way of gaining his military achievement very quickly (both in the book and drama) (not saying he has no good qualities, he did not make any efforts or he did not suffer) as well as in chance of saving ML i.e. leading to having open conversation with her (in the drama, 4 times is pretty damn unbelievable chance-encounters) and being close friend with her brother who knew and trusted GTY well. In TV epi 38, WS (Daniang) actually said to SH and CB that she would like RL to marry GTY not only because he changed his way and attitude in living and dealing things but also because he has good luck that she believes will continue to "bring luck" to the marriage i.e to RL eventually. She said that who would have thought Zhao, Prefect of Yu Zhou, whom GTY gave his allegiance to would become new emperor since he is just a distant imperial relative (even script writers already said so :D:D  ). In addition, (others and I have mentioned before) GTY had advantage of age, life-changing experiences (both good and bad) and monetary independent compared to QH. I'm also not saying things turned out this way because GTY is male lead (of course, we all know at the end he is the male lead and the writers wrote things that way). I'm only discussing for individual character at this time point. I like GTY character as ML's husband and the fact that he is the one who can protect and give ML the life she wanted but I just did not think GTY is better than QH as a person or as in the effort in pursuing ML for marriage (at this point).  [Please I'm not arguing about who deserves ML or who is suitable for ML!]

 

Thus being said, (1) I do not agree that QH missed the chance to be with ML because he did not take GTY's offer of temporarily kidnapping the princess. From QH's point of view and experience with Yong Wang family, it will bring disaster to ML and his family if princess was kidnapped even if YW could not connect anything to Qi and Sheng family when YW became emperor. Nobody could predict that there will be rebellion, and YW will be dead. (2) I don't believe QH thinks that he is ML's center of being and expect her to wait around for him. First, after being married to princess and resigned his life to fate, he already thought of ML marrying another guy, leading him to wish for her meeting good suitable person. Secondly, QH had his own reason for waiting around to propose ML again. He regained hope in being with ML after his princess wife passed during rebellion, but his mom was not in good mental health after needing to pretend being crazy and being ashamed by Long Fei by asking her run around in the streets like a lunatic. So, I assume that Qi family recluse themselves into their home disconnecting themselves with others due to their circumstances. It is also tradition that you have to wait for a year before marrying again in addition to being imperial mourning time. In his conversation to GTY, QH said that he regretted promising and letting ML's know ahead of his plan of proposing to her hands in marriage before it was certain. Since he hurt ML in his first attempt, he waited to let her know of his feelings and plan, by making sure his mom's approval by passing imperial exam before the proposal. GTY was lucky to find out about ML's marriage prospect from CB and was able to bring Cao family back from exile (grandma already snapped at Cao aunt that it is unbelievable that they are back at the capital and getting support from relatives being exiles (If GTY didn't have connections and authority, Cao family would not be able to come back to the capital without being arrested). 

(3) Although QH's main mistake of being late in this proposal was not communicating with ML openly, ML never really gave QH any opportunity like RL did for Wen scholar even from the beginning of his courtship. They never really had the opportunity to have heart-to-heart talk like ML and GTY, and RL and Wen scholar. He was never able to share with ML about the hell he went through in protecting ML and Sheng family. As mentioned in #2, he felt terrible for letting ML down first time.  Filial Piety being the most important societal value of the time, he needs to recover his parents' lost reputation by passing the imperial exam though his mom already said his marriage is now up to him even before he takes the exam. 

So, it was "timing" that has been gone wrong for QH. This remind me the Chinese saying "marriage is meeting suitable person at the right time" 

(4) I do not believe QH was being inconsiderate for asking GTY to withdraw his proposal. Yes, it is not fair of QH to ask GTY to give up ML. However, at this point, QH was told by his mom who was told by grandma that GTY ended up being betrothed to ML as he came proposing marriage to Sheng family just after RL was betrothed to Wen family. I think that's why QH said to GTY that "it is not like you have to marry ML, it is not like she is THE ONE for you." He didn't know GTY already admired and fell in love with ML. Also, since the marriage hasn't happened yet, if GTY is willing, being a male and emperor favorite, he can still withdraw his proposal and Sheng family can accept QH's proposal.  This way Sheng family won't lose their face. He just didn't know GTY's scheme to marry ML.

In his conversation with his mom, he was shocked and pissed as he never thought in his mind that GTY would ask for ML as GTY's feeling for ML wasn't known to him, ML being a shu daughter (GTY said before that he would only marry di daughter) and he didn't know ML is now considered di being recorded under Daniang. Also, in his mind, ML does not love GTY and at least have feelings for him. 

 

This is just my thoughts being in QH's place. After he found out GTY also admires ML and ML already made up her mind, if he plans to prevent the marriage or continues pestering ML after marriage, his actions are out of logic for his character and just became plain obsession. 

 

 

 

@GoldenFlower  I enjoyed reading your perspective on QH.It is refreshing.

I don't dislike QH but I find GTY's character being fleshed out better with time.

QH has strong conventional beliefs like filial piety  which override even his thoughts of just actions.(We did get a glimpse of his thought process during the debate about choosing an heir).

 

He didn't  jump in to save Buwei,his closet confidant who was just carrying out his wishes wrt romancing ML.He wanted to but he didn't because respecting his mother's decision and authority was the right thing to do per conventions of those times.

I don't grudge him too much about marrying the princess because his trump card of killing himself didn't work.

He at least tried to fight for the person he cares about at this point..

 

Given his views and disposition if he married ML and a situation arose where he had to stop supporting ML for his clan/ household, he would do it even if his heart bled.

If his mom did not acqueisce to his proposal of marrying ML at this juncture,I doubt if he would have ventured into relooking at matrimony with ML.

 

He can feel heartbroken about GTY and ML being a couple but he has to take it in his stride. You can't  pick up a relationship abruptly from where you left as a lot of water has flown under the bridge and things can't  remain same forever.

I also hope like you he doesn't end up having a ML obsession.It would be a let down.

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25 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

I understand why QH got upset with GTY (for chasing ML), I ask a question to you all, how do you feel if your friend (I'm not sure how close QH with GTY, but the closer the worst) going after your ex (we can say ML is QH's ex) who you still have feeling for? like there are so many girl out there but why you want mine, and in this case, GTY knows exactly QH's case (gave up ML because for her safety, not because he doesn't love/want her anymore). I'm not taking any side (GTY or QH) just not biased toward certain character.

Well he was already marry so he does not really have a say who she marry right?

 

He does not get to have her always in his back pocket like that like she is some runner up prize.

 

No thats not fair to her.

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@minglan1 If ML had married into Qi household she would suffocate. QH would still lose to his mother in the end. ML would have to carry her facade for the rest of her life and be under the control of her mother in law. That's why i think GTY suit ML better.

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7 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Part of me felt he's a lil delusional. 

He probably thinks that even after his marriage, ML would wait for him...

And to say GTY isn't good enough for her...because what he heard about GTY from others?

Then maybe he should reconsider ML too because everyone in the capital were also saying that ML was first after the Qi family, and when that failed, went for Liang Family...without shame. 

He needs to be able to make his own judgement and not believe everything he hears. 

And to think that previously GTY vowed to help him at all costs...

 

I think in the preview as well, in the conversation between GTY/ QH, GTY did mention he did all he did because of her. (Not sure he meant his elaborate "scam" :lol:, or everything from going into the army and rising up the ranks so that he can go after her). So he has done a lot for ML too and will not give her up. If he meant the latter, he truly has gone the distance...

From which previews or trailer did you guys get that QH said GTY was not good enough for her? I didn't see that in preview links posted here or youtube preview epi 39 & 40. 

We as the viewer we have to take what Liang 6th said about ML being QH's concubine with a grain of salt. He doesn't like ML and he has been giving excuses to his son not to marry her. Liang Mama even brushed off his accusation. If there are really rumors like that in town, I do not think that Liang Mama will still let her precious son marry ML even if she likes ML a lot.

 

GTY did not say he did scheme to QH. He just said it poetic way that he made all the efforts and worked hard to get ML.  

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5 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Well i for one dont disagree with what QH is saying to GTY in that scene it makes scenes from QH's pov but we have just seen alot of GTY so were obviously biased towards him. QH in that scene is right to say what he said considering he still loves ML and GTY has had a bad rep and he obviously knows QH likes her still. He can get upset here but after they are married he really need's to let go, if he turns vengeful i will be annoyed towards the writers. 

I haven't reach that episode to knowing what exact words QH say to GTY, I just feel uneasy when people start judging QH, we all know at the end ML with GTY, but no need to say bad things about QH to prove that QH is not the right person for ML, like I said before, the script give GTY a lot of favour (he has very smooth career, always at the right time to be the same place where ML need help, got closed relationship with new king, he clean up his mess, etc) so even me also start liking GTY. Just give QH a fair understanding rather than mocking him "you're stupid, you're wrong" etc like many people do

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12 minutes ago, dramaninja said:

Well he was already marry so he does not really have a say who she marry right?

 

He does not get to have her always in his back pocket like that like she is some runner up prize.

 

No thats not fair to her.

I'm not talking about ML, I'm talking about QH's feeling, how he feels when his friend going after the person he love, and for ML, it doesn't mean there are no other good man beside GTY, it will be unfair for ML if GTY is the only man left, and QH block GTY so ML can't get any man, if you get what I mean.

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Making of the scene where ML runs from soldiers  :D and Molan scene

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14 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

Making of the scene where ML runs from soldiers  :D and Molan scene

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I noticed that ZLY can run quite fast, it's kinda cute, petite girl with long dress (outfit) run like that :blush:

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@tomo74 I found her running quite funny ^^

 

 

 

Sorry if this has been posted. It was posted around dec 24. But there is a scene that continues a few seconds after the preview for 39-40 when GTY and ML talk. The scene where GTY bows to her and she laughs( which wasn't in the preview).

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