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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

This was my opinion too. The minute he threw away the bowl beside his mother is when everything started going downhill & I stopped feeling bad for him. Did he expect no one to want to marry ML? When the news is out that she is engaged he wants GTY to break the marriage? Did he think about what everyone will say abt ML if that happens? Was it GTY’s fault that he succeeded where he failed? I was glad when grandma & Xiaotao turned him away

 

I'm also glad granny refused to see QH and also stopped him from seeing ML.

But it makes me wonder that if ML finds out he came to see her and propose marriage and was turned away, What will her reaction be will she be mad?  Or will she be like....I've moved on so should you.

40 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Wow. I went to bed and then woke up to the big preview and the explosion here with the flurry of posts!!

 

Hahahaha. Don't get me wrong. Concubine Lin deserved everything she got, if not more. 

I was sick to the stomach when we found out that not only did she pretty much block everyone from helping ML's mom deliver, but she purposely feed the mom all the good food so that the baby would get too big to be delivered. 

And I loved it when ML just stared at her and let her figure out what ML did. And what will happen to Molan. Just cold. But I still love her. :D

 

QH is simply not capable of thinking beyond "I love ML. thus I should get her and she should marry me" line. 

If he had thought about the consequences of his actions, perhaps ML wouldn't be humiliated, his servant wouldn't die. 

And now he wants to humiliate ML again by having GTY cancel the wedding? 

We thought he'd grow up from the experience with the Family but it seems like he's back to this entitled spoilt kid that throws tantrum when he doesn't get what he wants. 

 

 

You know I was starting to kind of pity him after the forced marriage and how the princess was treating him. But something 6th Liang son said made me so upset that all the pity for QH just disappeared. When Liang mama was trying to convince 6th son to marry ML, he said everyone knows she was after QH and maybe already became his concubine....implying that ML and QH already slept together. Just thinking that thats what was being said about ML behind her back and people snickering that she reached too high and had to eat dirt after getting rejected makes me so angry at QH. I mean GTY was absolutely right. QH made promises to her, gave her hope and then crushed them along with her heart. Her reputation was already stained because of him. And its absolutely true no man from a good family would have married her with such nasty rumors associated with her name. HHW was a family friend and only a visitor to the capital. Suppose after engagement his family heard these rumors about ML, family friend or not his mother would not have let this relationship proceed any further.

And now he wants GTY to cancel the wedding....I really wish ML meets him and rejects him to his face so that he comes to his senses fast and stop talking nonsense.

 

About Molan....she will continue practicing her mother's evil teachings for a while. After she came to the Liang house, 2 of Liang 6th son's concubines suffered exactly the same type of difficult births that ML's mom went through. Pretending to be good main wife, feeding the concubines good, over rich food that resulted in babies growing too big in the womb. Not sure if both babies died....or the concubines. But after the second time it happened people started talking and connecting it to Molan.

I'm not sure what they did to her after that ..just read this on the spoiler site.

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I see a few chingus asking for translation for the meeting between GTY-ML in the Weibo preview, at the start and end. 

Couldn't seem to see any reply so I'll try with my limited understanding. If someone already responded, my apologies for double up. 

 

GTY: I must get you/ succeed in getting you. Even the heaven pity me, so opens up the opportunity to me. 

ML: That's because heaven is afraid of powerful scary people. :lol:

GTY: seriously, even when I go war, its not this complicated. I had to plan meticulously (strike in the east, while making others think I'll strike the west). Just to get a wife, I had to use all the strategem of war teachings. 

ML: u speak of this so casually. But my 5th sister reputation and sheng's reputation is at stake. 

And she walks away. 

GTY: ehhh...but I'm not done talking yet. 

ML; what do U think I am? A pig? A fish? GTY, U are a rascal! :lol:

 

Will not translate GTY/QH meeting since it has been translated earlier. 

 

ML runs to the grandma and told granny that the GTY rascal created such huge ruckus, an elaborate scam, to push me to the corner, run out of options. I'm so angry to I left him and came back. :lol:

 

The next meeting with GTY bowing down to her is a bit harder to understand. 

GTY: I can't say/promise how great it will for you to be married to me. But I can say this to heaven and earth, that from now on, *I think he said they will both be nobles*. 

Then he bowed and said something that I could hardly understand, but from the minimal understanding it seems like he promised that he will care for her his entire life.

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That was sweet...

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On 1/15/2019 at 8:56 PM, JoycceeDreamer said:
On 1/15/2019 at 7:27 PM, nichiwoohee said:

 

I wonder how things would have gone if GTY did not trick anyone... if he in the beginning just asked for ML. Since the novel is different from the drama... it would be nice to see if grandma would leave it up to ML .. and if ML would have agreed to this marriage .. 

 

Grandma would have refused. She stated many times, she wanted a simple and easy life, outside of a grand noble house. Minglan would have been filial and listened. Not forgetting she's had two bad experiences with noble families and is completely oblivious to GTY feelings.

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Can anyone determine what is the time jump since QH wife was killed during the rebellion to the time now when GTY/ML are about to get engage?

 

I'm starting to hate QH. Even if he was forced into marrying the princess and of course the princess was killed. QH couldn't even protect his wife.

 

How dare he have the guts to blame GTY that he came between them. QH can't even protect ML in the past and how the hell  is he supposed to protect ML in the future?????...

 

It's about time ML gets herself a man (GTY) to protect her. After ML confirmed with Grandma that GTY saved her along with GTY setting up the Sheng’s family… I think Grandma saw the bigger picture that GTY will be the only one to protect ML once she is gone. After all he did fought and climb up the ladder to get where he is now.... 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

I see a few chingus asking for translation for the meeting between GTY-ML in the Weibo preview, at the start and end. 

Couldn't seem to see any reply so I'll try with my limited understanding. If someone already responded, my apologies for double up. 

 

GTY: I must get you/ succeed in getting you. Even the heaven pity me, so opens up the opportunity to me. 

ML: That's because heaven is afraid of powerful scary people. :lol:

GTY: seriously, even when I go war, its not this complicated. I had to plan meticulously (strike in the east, while making others think I'll strike the west). Just to get a wife, I had to use all the strategem of war teachings. 

ML: u speak of this so casually. But my 5th sister reputation and sheng's reputation is at stake. 

And she walks away. 

GTY: ehhh...but I'm not done talking yet. 

ML; what do U think I am? A pig? A fish? GTY, U are a rascal! :lol:

 

Will not translate GTY/QH meeting since it has been translated earlier. 

 

ML runs to the grandma and told granny that the GTY rascal created such huge ruckus to make me run out of options. I'm so angry to I left him and came back. :lol:

 

The next meeting with GTY bowing down to her is a bit harder to understand. 

GTY: I can't say/promise how great it will for you to be married to me. But I can say this to heaven and earth, that from now on, *I think he said they will both be nobles*. 

Then he bowed and said something that I could hardly understand, but from the minimal understanding it seems like he promised that he will care for her his entire life.

:wub:

That was sweet...

That first part is hilarious lmao!

According to the comments under the trailer that I used Google Translate on GTY apparently worded his confession in the last part in such a way that it was rare in those days. Something to do with treating her equally or something so the confession seems sweet...

12 minutes ago, dito said:

 

I'm also glad granny refused to see QH and also stopped him from seeing ML.

But it makes me wonder that if ML finds out he came to see her and propose marriage and was turned away, What will her reaction be will she be mad?  Or will she be like....I've moved on so should you.

 

You know I was starting to kind of pity him after the forced marriage and how the princess was treating him. But something 6th Liang son said that made me so upset that all the pity for QH just disappeared. When Liang mama was trying to convince 6th son to marry ML he said everyone knows she was after QH and maybe already became his concubine....implying that ML and QH already slept together. Just thinking that thats what was being said about ML behind her back and people snickering that she reached too high and had to eat dirt after getting rejected makes me so angry at QH. I mean GTY was absolutely right. QH made promises to her, gave her hope and then crushed them along with her heart. Her reputation was already stained because of him. And its absolutely true no man from a good family would have married her with such nasty rumors associated with her name. HHW was a family friend and only a visitor to the capital. Suppose after engagement his family heard these rumors about ML, family friend or not his mother would not have let this relationship proceed any further.

And now he wants GTY to cancel the wedding....I really wish ML meets him and rejects him to his face so that he comes to his senses fast and stop talking nonsense.

 

About Molan....she will continue to practicing her mother's evil teachings. After she came to the house 2 of Liang 6th son's concubines suffered exactly the same type of difficult births that ML's mom went through. Pretending to be good main wife, feeding the concubines good, over rich food that resulted in babies growing too big in the womb. Not sure if both babies died....or the concubines. But after the second time it happened people started talking and connecting it to Molan.

I'm too sure what they did to her after that ..just read this on the spoiler site.

I forgot that 6th Liang said that. I no longer feel bad for QH. I had a sliver left but that’s gone too. He chased after ML even after she told him the reality in the temple but in the end it’s her who became the butt of jokes! It makes me so angry!

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Talking about GTY, he is inperfect but perfect. He is a man that I acn fight for. He schemes but his goal is praiseworthy. Truly he has been married and has given birth, truly he was in love and has been stuloid in love, but he is someone that also grew from his obstacles with the advice of someone younger than him. For me he is someone I can be with in as much as I love him. He is not the ideal man but he is the right man. 

Maybe I have been brainwashed by the story since this is how they portrayed GTY but I prefer a man I can confidently walk around his house than a man that I have to hide behind walls to walk in his house or a man that I have to sugar coat words for even when I am angry. GTY is imperfect from header to toe, but he is trustworthy and very much determined. 

If I see GTY's killing list, I will help him kill them without asking him because I know they must have deserved it. If I see him doing wrong I will give him a thorough advice, because I know even if he might not heed he will still think about it so well... For me this is the kind of person that Ming lan can truly be happy and delighted to be with. 

It might be the typical 'girls like bad guys' theory, but truth be said, someone that accepts the imperfections in his life is the true good guy because it will be so hard to falter their goals since they know life is not just white, it's also black. And for me GTY brings out the best and the worst of someone in life. We can be successful but we can also be a failure. This is what QH doesn't have even though he is the perfect and ideal man. And that's why I truly support GTY.. Sweetness is good in life but once it's too much, you start to rot, taste some bitterness too and you will cherish those sweetnees you have once tasted. I think that's what I think this story stands to teach

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4 hours ago, lxands said:

More than the dowry, I suspect granny used another way to convince liang's mother to accept Molan. Remember Minglan already told granny what she found out abt Liang's son's womanizing habit. I bet granny in turn threatened to exposed abt her son's dirty laundry (having a mistress pregnant with his child) that no respectable family wud want to marry off their daughter to the Liang's 6th son.

@lxands you are right, I remember now, the pregnant mistress is the illegitmate daughter of the illegitimate cousin of oldest brother's wife and she went to the doorstep to cry. If the rumors will spread then all the noble and honorable families will not have the 6th Liang son marry into their families just like GTY was off limits in the first episodes. And that is something that the countess will never let Molan forget.  

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12 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

 

 

Omg i just love them together so much she can be so real in front of him even more so then grandma . 

 

9 minutes ago, samanatha_xyooj said:

 

 

 

 

Even though im starting to dislike QH as well he married the Princess to save ML sure they wouldnt have known about ML if he didnt do that stuff at Polo but still. 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, samanatha_xyooj said:

Can anyone determine what is the time jump since QH wife was killed during the rebellion to the time now when GTY/ML are about to get engage?

 

I'm starting to hate QH. Even if he was forced into marrying the princess and of course the princess was killed. QH couldn't even protect his wife.

 

How dare he have the guts to blame GTY that he came between them. QH can't even protect ML in the past and how the hell  is he supposed to protect ML in the future?????...

 

It's about time ML gets herself a man (GTY) to protect her. After ML confirmed with Grandma that GTY saved her along with GTY setting up the Sheng’s family… I think Grandma saw the bigger picture that GTY will be the only one to protect ML once she is gone. After all he did fought and climb up the ladder to get where he is now.... 

 

 

 

This is just my theory...but I think they show time jumps by showing trees with different coloured flowers. Some scenes start with pink flowers on the trees....some with white. I'm assuming those are plum blossoms and peach blossoms. Some scenes have bare trees with very little leaves....

So just check the trees to know how much time has passed in the drama.:D

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23 hours ago, crackaddict said:

While these outcomes are a consequence of their own actions, you gotta wonder what life would have been like for Concubine Lin, who might be a better politician than her husband, and Molan, who just might be cleverer than her 3rd brother. If they had been men, even if their wily characters remained the same, perhaps their outcomes would have been different. 

 

Concubine Lin's character is much more complex in the novel, one that you can disdain but admire at the same time.

 

But I disagree about her political savviness. Minglan and SH are the great politicians. Ostensibly clean reputations and nothing to fault. Molan was well educated by ther mother, not necessarily clever.

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12 minutes ago, samanatha_xyooj said:

How dare he have the guts to blame GTY that he came between them. 

 

I’m going to have to watch the whole thing to fully get the picture since these teasers are sometimes misleading, but at this point GTY is not coming in between them. QH and ML have no connection since QH got married. So it’s not like GTY knew he was coming back around again since GTY started the proposal thing before QH made the second attempt. Once again, bad timing and missed opportunities. He’s not a bad guy but it’s just not his fate. 

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@ForgottenSoulx I loved that QH stood up and helped ML at the Polo game... which caught all the spoil Princess eyes but still he was true to his feeling and helped her. What I don't get was why he turned down GTY offer to help ML and QH to be together..... 

 

GTY is very good at calculating just like ML when it comes to situations. I had a feeling that ML was testing QH if he will keep his promise…. Even after QH meet ML at the party during his starving quest… ML even confirm that she is loyal to QH.

 

If QH did truly loved ML like how he stated then he would’ve listen that what GTY had to offer.

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22 hours ago, havennoah30 said:

 i wonder  if the father knew of the murder of minglans birth mother by his concubine thats why he flag her viciously and all the years she played him in her hand 

 

He knew about the food and tonics cos the servants confessed.  She was basically running a kitchen ftom her courtyard which he ordered her to dismantle. 

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4 minutes ago, samanatha_xyooj said:

@ForgottenSoulx I loved that QH stood up and helped ML at the Polo game... which caught all the spoil Princess eyes but still he was true to his feeling and helped her. What I don't get was why he turned down GTY offer to help ML and QH to be together..... 

 

GTY is very good at calculating just like ML when it comes to situations. I had a feeling that ML was testing QH if he will keep his promise…. Even after QH meet ML at the party during his starving quest… ML even confirm that she is loyal to QH.

 

If QH did truly loved ML like how he stated then he would’ve listen that what GTY had to offer.

 

I had the same thought when ML said something like Lets see, lets give him a chance to try. I really felt like she was testing him. To see if he really thought she was worth fighting for.....staking his life for her....in GTY's words. 

Geez, these 2 are more alike than we thought. Even their thoughts on trusting someone with their life and love are similar. 

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39 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

 

 

Concubine Lin's character is much more complex in the novel, one that you can disdain but admire at the same time.

 

But I disagree about her political savviness. Minglan and SH are the great politicians. Ostensibly clean reputations and nothing to fault. Molan was well educated by ther mother, not necessarily clever.

 

Your saying ML has a good rep but people were saying she was sleeping with QH etc.. due to that polo thing.

36 minutes ago, samanatha_xyooj said:

@ForgottenSoulx I loved that QH stood up and helped ML at the Polo game... which caught all the spoil Princess eyes but still he was true to his feeling and helped her. What I don't get was why he turned down GTY offer to help ML and QH to be together..... 

 

GTY is very good at calculating just like ML when it comes to situations. I had a feeling that ML was testing QH if he will keep his promise…. Even after QH meet ML at the party during his starving quest… ML even confirm that she is loyal to QH.

 

If QH did truly loved ML like how he stated then he would’ve listen that what GTY had to offer.

 

Cause hes a good boy in a bad world and he does not want to do scheme's etc.. maybe he didnt trust GTY but ML trusts GTY 100% honestly. 

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19 minutes ago, samanatha_xyooj said:

. What I don't get was why he turned down GTY offer to help ML and QH to be together..... 

It was because GTY’s suggestion (kidnapping princess for leverage) was very dangerous to both the Qi and Sheng families. However, I don’t think GTY was foolish enough to go through with kidnapping the princess. I think it was his way of testing how far QH would go and if QH accepted his help, he would have actually planned something else, since strategically as he said, plan for 3 steps forward and 5 steps back. Maybe it’ll be a part of their discussion in the next couple episodes because I don’t think QH fully knows GTY well and takes things at face value with him when we know as the audience that he hides his good deeds and admits to the bad deeds. CB chastised him for this when Xiao Rong Jie let slip about secretly protecting ML on the trip back and GTY said to keep it a secret. CB was implying that it was why people always believe the worst in him.

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I actually don’t dislike any of the characters to be honest. I like some more than others. But over all, I think the actors are doing a heck off a good job in portraying their characters. I also think there isn’t a central “villain” or “villainess”. Sure there are baby villains, but it’s more I think the trails and tribulations of ML/GTY/family/friends. Thus, I think it isn’t necessarily a revenge plot IMHO. Someone mentioned a while back that the characters are flawed, thus human. I think this is what draws me to this drama, and why I like it so much. 

 

Sure I like Disney type stories with a happily ever after. However, I also like realistic stories in which a relationship takes a lot of work to maintain. QH, as said before, is the Prince Charming of Disney type stories. Most first love couples do not get married. Personally, my husband is not my first love. And so I tend to prefer stories that have themes to not being married to your first love.

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If anyone is interested in reading books that have this underline  theme. The author Sarah J Maas does a good job. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Omg i just love them together so much she can be so real in front of him even more so then grandma . 

 

 

Even though im starting to dislike QH as well he married the Princess to save ML sure they wouldnt have known about ML if he didnt do that stuff at Polo but still. 

 

 

 

Truly he saved her but I don't think that excuses his unreasonable act of confronting GTY about the proposal. That's why I say I pity people but I will never pity him for trying to kill someone because he is in need of something.. And there is one thing that if gone and decided upon, the solution is there and that's the past. If he wasn't all about promise and trying to prove his love without any assets, ming lan wouldn't need any saving bit like I said it's in the past, so even though I pity him. I have never wanted him for ming lan 

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I really dislike Dr He's cousin and her mum.  :triumph:

Reminded me of Linniang and Molan all over again.  "If you don't marry me, let me die.....bohoo hoo"....Kind of like Manniang as well.  So pathetic.  And you could see that Dr He is too kind hearted and got completely bought over with tears.  But I really like Minglan when she stayed firm and said that "If you choose her then you cannot have me too".  I need to be with someone who will think of me as a priority in his heart.  Otherwise, I rather not marry".  And she maintained that Dr He's solution to help the cousin by letting her stay on to help around the house not a solution.  Bravo Minglan!  At least she was clear that she will not tolerate hanky panky :smiley::thumbsup:

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