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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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7 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

Lin Yiniang actually died. She was sent to farm house in TV epi 33 and was mentioned she died in epi 34.

I hope that before Linniang dies, she gets news about Molan  that she is not living a respected noble wife like she imagined she would and she is treated like the way she treated ML's mom and dies knowing she made a wrong choice for her daughter, regretting that she did not choose the scholar Hong wanted Molan to marry.  

 

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3 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Thankfully GTY knew what was best for her better than ML herself.

Lets be thankful to GTY's scheming then. One schemer gets caught by another master schemer.:joy:

In the book, there's chapter from GTY's POV of how he found out about her real self.....in that he starts calling her little schemer, little fraud after he sees her pretending to be afraid of bees.

Little ML actually was not afraid of bees....she was watching them with interest....but when the rest of the girls with her started screaming in fear....she started screaming too ....a beat later. So as to not appear different or strange. Thats the first time GTY noticed ML's pretense. After that he was always around in the crowd...keeping an eye on her....noticing things about her. 

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He might be a master schemer, but he himself admitted to ML "I lost to you all my life". 

 

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 @cherubstomato @leeza77 @zenya22 @tomo74 @m0us3y

Thanks for pointing out actors get hated because of their great performances. I understand that. QH didn’t have any scene for 2 episodes at a time for at least 3 times already and I don’t expect much of his scenes in future 40 episodes. My grumpy rumbling post about ZYL was due to seeing the trailer that includes his meeting with ML after her marriage. I noticed and liked his acting in that drama Love three time though he was a bit cruel (not 100% bad but pretty flawed in becoming cruel to FL in attempting in keeping FL close to him and gaining her love even though he is a rich educated gentleman). I think I ended up finished watching that drama because of his acting though it was a war lord era genre (My favorite is palace drama) and he is not even good character. 

What QH told to ML which I posted above to me is very bad coming from QH even if he is so much in love with her. I was just pissed with the writers for QH character. I like all lead characters equally and I didn't even invest much interest in QH as much as Dr. He when I was listening to the book as his scenes were mostly in the beginning. If that scene happened, QH character became just delutional lunatic of a love fool like his character in Love Three Times with no respect to ML and his uncle and friend GTY. It is just so much de-growth for a gentleman who was able to make right decision during life adversity. I just never seen QH in the book or drama as inconsiderate but after this scene....

 

Li Yi Xiao (actress for MN) is definitely type-cast, it is really bad for her career improvement even if she is getting to star in drama for those roles now. Also, her acting for every Villian role she played is exactly the same even if character backgrounds are different. I have seen actors and actresses who are able to act villain roles differently.

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Hi guys,

 

Would it be OK if I post some reviews about Qi Heng (ZYL's role in the story of Minglan )on this thread? Or should I go to the drama thread instead? I am little hesitated to post my reviews on the drama thread because I will be focusing on QH and I don’t want supporters of other roles /actors to be unhappy. 
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4 minutes ago, yhl0802 said:
Hi guys,

 

Would it be OK if I post some reviews about Qi Heng (ZYL's role in the story of Minglan )on this thread? Or should I go to the drama thread instead? I am little hesitated to post my reviews on the drama thread because I will be focusing on QH and I don’t want supporters of other roles /actors to be unhappy. 

You should feel comfortable to express your views about the show. We don't all have to agree or hold the same views otherwise there wouldn't be any worthwhile discussion. :D

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Did anyone find Sheng Hong's reaction hilarious in episode 32 when he caught Molan red-handed? :w00t: That scream lol :joy:

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Scene of minglan throw mud. so funny

 

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I like xiatao attitude. Very protective and compassionate towards ML. When ml cried on the ship, she accompanied ML and sang to her (bad voice.. Ha ha) and when she saw qh and his wife at the monastery, she tried to prevent ml from seeing them. 

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7 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

Scene of minglan throw mud. so funny

 

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Lol she got more dirt on her own clothes while she was holding that big pile then Molan's after she threw it.:joy:

18 minutes ago, lilkat75 said:

Did anyone find Sheng Hong's reaction hilarious in episode 32 when he caught Molan red-handed? :w00t: That scream lol :joy:

 

Lol yes....I also can't help cracking up whenever Da niang goes.....GUIREN.

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3 hours ago, dito said:

 

In the book it happens after their kids are born....or atleast one of them is...not sure about the drama.

I remember GTY sleeping in his study for sometime after the fight. And at night, he'd carry his sleeping son to sleep with him in the study...coz he missed him.

They may change the sequence of the events in the drama as they did with ML telling him about her mother's death and her life in the house. This conversation happens after their big fight...when they make up.

 

 

Lol...yes she'll live the free life in ershu's house.... Sleep all she wants, eat all she wants without worrying about gaining weight.

 

 

Seems like they move stuff earlier. 

I just hope the fight doesn't last that long in the drama...:tears:

Cuz in the trailer, he actually went to look for another woman or something? Just to spite ML...

There's a scene that he was hugging a woman looking a lil drunk...?

I do wonder how they will make up tho...

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5 hours ago, tomo74 said:

Jealousy makes people's brain shrink, molan smirk when she got told that madam Wu agreed to marry her with her son, not knowing she's going to live in hell smh.

@tomo74  Molan did something very stupid.. Madam Wu still was willingly to take her in with the exception of Ming lan being the first wife.. Her mom never thought of this her daughter could become the concubine in such house.. The older two sisters never told her the facts of the marriage talk but once Mdm Wu had to take her in of course she wasn't all to happy about having and unchaste daughter in law.. Mdm Wu may have told her son how can he be so sure that she was chaste when he slept with her.. If she willingly and so daring to sleep with him at a temple she showing and all the other nobles and his family that her chasity was tainted before marriage.. So of course Mdm Wu would make life hell for her because now she has tainted their home also..

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28 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Seems like they move stuff earlier. 

I just hope the fight doesn't last that long in the drama...:tears:

Cuz in the trailer, he actually went to look for another woman or something? Just to spite ML...

There's a scene that he was hugging a woman looking a lil drunk...?

I do wonder how they will make up tho...

Really? 

In the book he never had other women, even if one tried to push herself on him especially  during the fall out . ( if I got this right) But he was faithful.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Seems like they move stuff earlier. 

I just hope the fight doesn't last that long in the drama...:tears:

Cuz in the trailer, he actually went to look for another woman or something? Just to spite ML...

There's a scene that he was hugging a woman looking a lil drunk...?

I do wonder how they will make up tho...

I dont think he went to look for another woman. I think he went to drink and a woman try to touch his hand but he moved away, no hugging. That's what i saw in the trailer. Same i hope the fight doesn't last long too. I dont even want to think about it, already feel hurt just by thinking.

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I doubt he will be unfaithful. It will just be an misunderstanding.

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7 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

Actually, she did a lot of learning for embroidery as she thought it is only way for her to make money as she is Shu daughter, no property from Wei Yi Niang. When she went to Sheng’s main house in You Young, she did a lot of reasoning and talking about Shulan marriage with Pin Lan, her grandmom and first old madam. She just did not gallop around town to talk to prostitude head. There was another marriage interest (second cousin who became PL’s husband) and also met Li’s son who also became her admirer later when he came to capital to take imperial exam.

 

PL's Husband and LI' son who are they??

 

6 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

After seeing Zhu Yi Long’s great performance and being promoted so much by drama as second male lead, I felt bad that he took this QH’s role as for (1) not as many scenes being second male lead should have (2) have been written like as a character a lot of people are calling weak, wet-blanket, no backbone, selfish, inconsiderate (though I do not agree and only think he has been sheltered too much and naive) (3) no character growth 

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From preview/trailer that shows his meeting with ML after her marriage with GTY, I’m getting really upset that “QH told her he loves her more than GTY as he dreams of her every night and she is in his heart all the time. ML responded by saying we both are married and no need to talk about the past.” Their conversation was seen by GTY. If this scene is going to happen, this is really character assassination of QH. You loved someone dearly but continued declaring your love to her after she got married (I don’t know QH gets married to his second wife or not). Imo, at that point, most audience will hate or even feel disgust with this character. I understand writers want to put in scenes for him as QH became pretty much non-existence in the book after 55 chapters, this is very unfair. That’s why I said above no character growth. In the drama, QH became just love-sick dellutional guy. 

 I don’t know why ZYL accepted this QH role. Even in 2014, he was not popular yet but his second lead role in “love three life,” he got pretty much equal screen times throughout the drama though his character is pretty flawed and suffered one-sided love. (May be he worked with ZLY in a movie before and she invited him for this drama?) 

 

He accepted this role because the drama was going to be big and it is , hes also performing really well acting wise.

 

I see nothing wrong with him saying he cant sleep because hes thinking of ML if he suddenly moved on that would not suit his character at all. Its wrong to do that moral wise due to GTY/ML but i can understand why he said it. 

 

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If i'm not mistaken, i read somewhere on weibo that qh join the rebellion against the emperor (zhao). He might have to go against gty. And i presumed gty reluctant to hurt qh, thus he was punished by the emperor (the scene gty was in prison) 

 

 

I hope that does not happen and if QH really goes against GTY like that he will lose all respect i have for him.

 

4 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

It is from trailer on page 78, you quoted someone's posted that trailer. There was not much interaction between QH and ML after his marriage to princess in the book There was no proposal and love confession by QH at all even before he got married first time. The only time they met after ML's marriage was his twins' 100 days, ML misunderstood QH and got mad at him for including Min in his kids' names. In the trailer, I'm not sure GTY heard the content of conversation because he and shitou were behind the bushes and trees. 

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QH actually said he can’t sleep at nights because he misses her (not he dreamed about her, I got confused as I saw it yesterday). Seriously, still bad!

 

 

We should be happy there are any QH scene's after like episode 35 considering in the book he was barely mentioned again right?

 

4 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Ahhh. So that's what he said???

That sentence I actually didn't quite understand. I only understood ML's response...:sweatingbullets:

Okay. That's bad....

Doesn't matter if GTY heard it. It's just bad....

In fact, it doesn't seem very much to be in his character. 

He may be a lil weak and all, but he seems like a gentleman that knows how to respect her and GTY enough to say those words. 

 

I disagree i think it is in his character hes only 17 and hes still in love with ML hes not just going to let her go no matter how selfish he seems.

 

3 hours ago, dito said:

 

Thankfully GTY knew what was best for her better than ML herself.

Lets be thankful to GTY's scheming then. One schemer gets caught by another master schemer.:joy:

In the book, there's chapter from GTY's POV of how he found out about her real self.....in that he starts calling her little schemer, little fraud after he sees her pretending to be afraid of bees.

Little ML actually was not afraid of bees....she was watching them with interest....but when the rest of the girls with her started screaming in fear....she started screaming too ....a beat later. So as to not appear different or strange. Thats the first time GTY noticed ML's pretense. After that he was always around in the crowd...keeping an eye on her....noticing things about her. 

 

I hope we get similar scene's on the show , maybe we get flashbacks of him seeing ML throughout his life pretending like that.

 

34 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Seems like they move stuff earlier. 

I just hope the fight doesn't last that long in the drama...:tears:

Cuz in the trailer, he actually went to look for another woman or something? Just to spite ML...

There's a scene that he was hugging a woman looking a lil drunk...?

I do wonder how they will make up tho...

 

I really hope that does not happen if he goes to look for another woman i would be mad and i think that other woman is MN.

7 minutes ago, fra8 said:

Really? 

In the book he never had other women, even if one tried to push herself on him especially  during the fall out . ( if I got this right) But he was faithful.

 

 

 

Yeah i think that happens he does not actually go to another woman like sexually but a girl throws her self at him. 

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That relationship trailer is a little misleading. I went back and compared it to the previous episodes and there was 2 scenes in the trailer where there was another woman. One scene where they were sitting at a table. This scene may be like what @bulubulu described. The other scene with the hug/forehead kiss is an old scene of him and Maniang the night before the imperial exam (no spooky cause he had to get ready for exam). 

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4 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

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QH actually said he can’t sleep at nights because he misses her (not he dreamed about her, I got confused as I saw it yesterday). Seriously, still bad!

 

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Ugh...that’s what I was fearing the most. I was hoping they weren’t going to make him so lovelorn that he would forget himself and do something like that. It’s okay to still have feelings but once ML got married, those feelings should remain within himself. 

 

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Ugh...that’s what I was fearing the most. I was hoping they weren’t going to make him so lovelorn that he would forget himself and do something like that. It’s okay to still have feelings but once ML got married, those feelings should remain within himself. 

 

 

People are forgetting hes 17 .. people at that age make dumb mistakes but i still think it suits his character. 

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9 minutes ago, hello210 said:
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Ugh...that’s what I was fearing the most. I was hoping they weren’t going to make him so lovelorn that he would forget himself and do something like that. It’s okay to still have feelings but once ML got married, those feelings should remain within himself. 

 

Same. But gty and ml had internal issues that in a drama are hard to write. So milking the triangle is an easy way and they established a strong triangle. Gty knows about them, he was there almost every step. QH loved her and gave her up to save her and her family, but I assume he would never believe gty was the right guy (also because he doesn’t imo get ml completely); ml loved qh, gave him up and it’s likely she won’t tell gty that she loves him (when she realizes it)

anyway I hope they do this right because these situations are risky for the consistency of the characters 

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6 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

After seeing Zhu Yi Long’s great performance and being promoted so much by drama as second male lead, I felt bad that he took this QH’s role as for (1) not as many scenes being second male lead should have (2) have been written like as a character a lot of people are calling weak, wet-blanket, no backbone, selfish, inconsiderate (though I do not agree and only think he has been sheltered too much and naive) (3) no character growth 

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From preview/trailer that shows his meeting with ML after her marriage with GTY, I’m getting really upset that “QH told her he loves her more than GTY as he dreams of her every night and she is in his heart all the time. ML responded by saying we both are married and no need to talk about the past.” Their conversation was seen by GTY. If this scene is going to happen, this is really character assassination of QH. You loved someone dearly but continued declaring your love to her after she got married (I don’t know QH gets married to his second wife or not). Imo, at that point, most audience will hate or even feel disgust with this character. I understand writers want to put in scenes for him as QH became pretty much non-existence in the book after 55 chapters, this is very unfair. That’s why I said above no character growth. In the drama, QH became just love-sick dellutional guy. 

I don’t know why ZYL accepted this QH role. Even in 2014, he was not popular yet but his second lead role in “love three life,” he got pretty much equal screen times throughout the drama though his character is pretty flawed and suffered one-sided love. (May be he worked with ZLY in a movie before and she invited him for this drama?) 

@Golden Flower ZYL and ZLY actually did work together before in the movie Eternal Wave with Aaron Kwok and Zhang Han. But the director said he selected each of the main actors because he felt they fit the characters and as others have told me he actually didn’t get really popular until Guardian which ended not long ago. I didn’t know who he was until I saw that he was casted in Minglan as QH. That’s when I went back and found the drama Love Three Life and liked him in that one too. I actually like it when actors/actresses can take large secondary roles that show their range. But also, I think QH has been his last second lead role (filmed before the others but took a while to air) since his other roles after Guardian has been as the male lead. 

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