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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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2 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@dito Wow, i want to see something similiar in the drama. I want to see people in the sheng house getting green with envy :D 

 

Me too. I want to see this in the drama so bad.

Rulan is not bad..just a little envious of people having better things than her. Molan's face should be a sight to behold.

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14 minutes ago, dito said:

 

Me too. I want to see this in the drama so bad.

Rulan is not bad..just a little envious of people having better things than her. Molan's face should be a sight to behold.

From the trailers and spoilers, it looked pretty grand and ML’s headdress is elaborate compared to Molan. It reminds me of what ML said to her maid when the men were getting dropped off for the imperial exam, if GTY really wanted to grab attention, he could outdo even the Ducal household. :lol:

We know from how he was living and traveling that he’s not normally an extravagant guy.

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

I think that might be possible

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In a trailer i see ML hitting the bell outside of Palace i think maybe that is to save GTY whose locked up or something.

 

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For some reason I was thinking that it was the court bells and that she rang the bell because of grandma’s poisoning but I couldn’t understand what she was saying at the door. I guessed that because in the novel that was the one time she was so upset that she wanted formal punishment for WS’s sister (or cousin) who was responsible. With CB’s consent, the Aunt was formally punished while WS was punished within the family with banishment. If anyone has read the whole novel, did GTY get jailed to where ML had to ring the court bells?

 

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10 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

Thanks for taking time explaining. I just want to clarify that there are three types of sons main wife born di, concubine born shu and illegitimate sons who were born of outside women and did not get recorded in family ancestry book. Shu sons are considered legitimate. In Song Dynasty, shu son, however, has right to equally divide family assests with di sons though they do not have right to inherit the nobility title (ref: Concubines in Song China, women and the family in history of China). The illegitimate sons will not have right to any family assests and their names won't be registered into ancestry book.  

The main wife and parents have to approve the concubine to be married into the family. The outside women are those with very low status like prostitutes and entertainers from brothels (even if they do not sell their bodies) that main wife and parents do not agree to welcome her into the family. I think a guy can have concubines in addition to tong-fan maids before marrying legal wife. In the case of GTY’s family, their standard is high as they won’t accept MN because she is singer even though she is not from brothel. 

 

In GTY’s case, he is having issue to find a wife because he only wants to marry di daughter. He already said that it would be easy for him to marry ML who is a shu born when they were fighting in desert shop. Although it did not happen in drama, he was able to marry Yu Yan Hong, di daughter and younger half-sister of Yanran  in the book even though Yanran parents know that he has two kids with outside women. Unlike in drama, MN took both kids with her when she went to Yu house. He could not marry Yanran only because she was raised by her grandparents and they want her to have peaceful marriage life and they thought that he having two kids with a woman like MN will be miserable life for Yanran who is too soft. I do not remember what happened to accepting MN as concubine after he got married to YH. I think at that point he already found out MN’s nature and decided not to bring her in. He had to scheme to marry ML is because of her grandmom not because of SH and WS. SH and WS already agreed Rulan di daughter to marry him after he became general. 

 

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 In the book, Liang Liu's concubine, shu sister of the wife of one of his shu older brother, was already pregnant and that was one of the reasons Liang Mama was fine with her son marrying ML and another reason is she thinks that ML is prettier and have ability to manage scheming concubine of her son. 

 

Manniang was not a concubine but after the main wife was married into the family, she (the main wife) would become very dependent on her husband and if pressured she might have to agree to make her the official concubine or agree to let the children be registered under her name (which made them official). Also after the main wife was married off she might not get the attention from her husband since he already had a close, intimate relationship with another woman. It was a risk and whether to take it or not depended on the woman's family. Yanran's grandfather, who cared about her, refused the offer, while Yanhong's parents agreed to it to climb the social ladder (The Yu family is way below GTY's family). Obviously their calculations were dead wrong.

 

Mama Liang's father-in-law is a marquis so her family was also far above ML's family. Of course she likes ML but there was also the fact that her son already had a pregnant concubine who was his beloved cousin. So they had to resort to marrying below and choose ML who was a shu daughter. If they had asked for a di daughter (like Rulan) they would be rejected due to their son's situation although he is a di son from a noble family.

 

In that time period, women were dependent on their husbands but men also wanted to gain help from their in-laws. Also they wanted to marry some from the same or higher status to maintain their families' position. So a man with dignity (and ambition) would not allow illegitimate children before marriage since it would narrow their choices and might leave many bad consequences. I didn't say having children would make GTY a bad person (MN tricked him into it so it was not his fault) but it would make him look bad (really!) in the marriage market. Also the fact that he showed to much care for his children and concubine might sound responsible from his POV, but it will increase the risk from his potential wife's POV.

 

Later he returned to be an eligible bachelor bc he was the new Emperor's favourite. So families wanting to marry off their daughters to him were just after his power, not bc they thought he would be a good spouse. Even then the Sheng family were still below his status, but ML's father was still reluctant in marry off Rulan to him. ML's grandma didn't care about his status so she didn't accept.

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1 hour ago, hello210 said:
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For some reason I was thinking that it was the court bells and that she rang the bell because of grandma’s poisoning but I couldn’t understand what she was saying at the door. I guessed that because in the novel that was the one time she was so upset that she wanted formal punishment for WS’s sister (or cousin) who was responsible. With CB’s consent, the Aunt was formally punished while WS was punished within the family with banishment. If anyone has read the whole novel, did GTY get jailed to where ML had to ring the court bells?

 

 

I don't think so. Don't remember anything like that happening. He had a very good relationship with the new emperor. Emperor kept lavishing gifts on him for one reason or the other. Even his nasty relatives couldn't do much against him. GTY played very smart when he came back. Wasn't openly hostile to his nasty relations. So they targeted ML in GTY's absence. Nothing big at first...pesky concubines and maids causing trouble. Big stuff like threat to ML's life happen after ML gets pregnant.

I remember only one incident happening in the book that I think the drama writers may change it to give us more drama after their wedded bliss. GTY's family was about to be accused of being traitors. Maybe the writers change it to GTY being accused of being a traitor due to his family's scheming....or maybe they accuse him of killing his father or something.

ML beating the drum... I would prefer it if it was granny's poisoning. But even in the book everything was done to keep it quite coz it would be very bad for Sheng family if it became known that daughter in law tried to poison the mother in law. Sheng Hong's and Chang Bai's careers will be destroyed.

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55 minutes ago, dito said:

 

I don't think so. Don't remember anything like that happening. He had a very good relationship with the new emperor. Emperor kept lavishing gifts on him for one reason or the other. Even his nasty relatives couldn't do much against him. GTY played very smart when he came back. Wasn't openly hostile to his nasty relations. So they targeted ML in GTY's absence. Nothing big at first...pesky concubines and maids causing trouble. Big stuff like threat to ML's life happen after ML gets pregnant.

I remember only one incident happening in the book that I think the drama writers may change it to give us more drama after their wedded bliss. GTY's family was about to be accused of being traitors. Maybe the writers change it to GTY being accused of being a traitor due to his family's scheming....or maybe they accuse him of killing his father or something.

ML beating the drum... I would prefer it if it was granny's poisoning. But even in the book everything was done to keep it quite coz it would be very bad for Sheng family if it became known that daughter in law tried to poison the mother in law. Sheng Hong's and Chang Bai's careers will be destroyed.

 

Actually, I second @ForgottenSoulx

I think the drum scene was ML trying to save GTY..

I remember watching that too.. There was a scene that ML knocking on the drum, with the background voiceover saying she's here for the husband (or something along the line), and another scene, with her dressed as GTY wife, was visiting GTY in jail? 

It didn't show his full face, but it looks like GTY alright. Found it. 

It's trailer no.4 in Viki. That's a darn good trailer, showing the other side of ML.

 

Also wasnt there a scene where GTY, as a foot soldier and ML sending him off? I was thinking could it be the "punishment" after he got released from prison. 

 

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1 hour ago, dito said:

 

I don't think so. Don't remember anything like that happening. He had a very good relationship with the new emperor. Emperor kept lavishing gifts on him for one reason or the other. Even his nasty relatives couldn't do much against him. GTY played very smart when he came back. Wasn't openly hostile to his nasty relations. So they targeted ML in GTY's absence. Nothing big at first...pesky concubines and maids causing trouble. Big stuff like threat to ML's life happen after ML gets pregnant.

I remember only one incident happening in the book that I think the drama writers may change it to give us more drama after their wedded bliss. GTY's family was about to be accused of being traitors. Maybe the writers change it to GTY being accused of being a traitor due to his family's scheming....or maybe they accuse him of killing his father or something.

ML beating the drum... I would prefer it if it was granny's poisoning. But even in the book everything was done to keep it quite coz it would be very bad for Sheng family if it became known that daughter in law tried to poison the mother in law. Sheng Hong's and Chang Bai's careers will be destroyed.

Watch this trailer from this time it seems like GTY is improsoned and ML ring's the bell to me.

 

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Actually, I second @ForgottenSoulx

I think the drum scene was ML trying to save GTY..

I remember watching that too.. There was a scene that ML knocking on the drum, with the background voiceover saying she's here for the husband (or something along the line), and another scene, with her dressed as GTY wife, was visiting GTY in jail? 

It didn't show his full face, but it looks like GTY alright. Found it. 

It's trailer no.4 in Viki. That's a darn good trailer, showing the other side of ML.

 

Also wasnt there a scene where GTY, as a foot soldier and ML sending him off? I was thinking could it be the "punishment" after he got released from prison. 

 

 

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Yeah look at the scene before the bell as well in the scene's above,. 

 

On another note im sad the MV with zhao li ying , feng shao feng was deleted from youtube found it on weibo im pretty sure that is the actors. 

 

https://krcom.cn/6109452047/episodes/2358773:4320219880214346

 

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Also if you look at this weibo version which is better quality at 3:50 which is the bell scene , Looks like ML father but could be CB with hair , GTY male servant also there and someone is kneeling and kowtowing but no idea who that is. 

 

Also the scene following that where ML and GTY daughter following GTY whose in the army as a normal solider? 

 

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On 1/10/2019 at 10:54 PM, Don Yu said:

Good acting.

 

But only on Episode 1.

 

Can I ask which episode has the BEST acting so far?

 

Again, Can I ask which episode has the BEST acting so far (Of Zhang LiYing)!

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4 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

I think that might be possible 

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In a trailer i see ML hitting the bell outside of Palace i think maybe that is to save GTY whose locked up or something.

 

 

Can i just say how glad i am they cut this crap out . 

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You say that but doesnt Molan marry out with the help of her mum? sure its miserable but still. 

 

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Molan caught red handed in a promiscuous situation with the 6th son of liang family. PREGNANT and married of to him. She shamed the family and lin niang got punished. Fell out of favor from shen hong

 

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5 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

Anyone have a guess of who is the one stabbing GTY in the trailer? The lady in red dress

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I think that is the step mom

 

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39 minutes ago, minoku2209 said:

Trailer 31-32

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@minoku2209

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what is happening to Molan and her mother in 32? seems scenes have karma catching up to them? 

 

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2 hours ago, dito said:

 

I don't think so. Don't remember anything like that happening. He had a very good relationship with the new emperor. Emperor kept lavishing gifts on him for one reason or the other. Even his nasty relatives couldn't do much against him. GTY played very smart when he came back. Wasn't openly hostile to his nasty relations. So they targeted ML in GTY's absence. Nothing big at first...pesky concubines and maids causing trouble. Big stuff like threat to ML's life happen after ML gets pregnant.

I remember only one incident happening in the book that I think the drama writers may change it to give us more drama after their wedded bliss. GTY's family was about to be accused of being traitors. Maybe the writers change it to GTY being accused of being a traitor due to his family's scheming....or maybe they accuse him of killing his father or something.

ML beating the drum... I would prefer it if it was granny's poisoning. But even in the book everything was done to keep it quite coz it would be very bad for Sheng family if it became known that daughter in law tried to poison the mother in law. Sheng Hong's and Chang Bai's careers will be destroyed.

@m0us3y @dito @ForgottenSoulx Thanks. I was trying to figure that out because it wasn’t in the novel spoilers that GTY was imprisoned but we know they’ve added little things here and there for more dramatic stuff.  And below is what I was talking about with grandma situation. It was the one time ML was not letting things go. Maybe they’ll do it differently.

 

credit: pasted from Adnana in Novel Spoilers site

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Kang yima didn't actually get to really blackmail anyone like she had intended. Sure, her long-term plan was to trick her sister into poisoning and killing her mother-in-law, and afterward, Wang shi would have been completely at her mercy. Anything Kang yima asked, she would have had to do under threat of having her incredibly atrocious misdeed revealed.
Yet it didn't get to that point because Minglan was notified that Grandma was sick on that very night, she quickly brought a doctor who diagnosed poisoning, so she took care of Grandma and at the same time laid the trap to reveal the mastermind. Then it was a question of forcing her father to do the right thing, that is not to cover up the ugly incident (like he wanted, so as not to sully the family's precious honor) but to punish the ones responsible and thus get justice for Grandma. Wang shi they could punish more lightly (she didn't actually want to kill Grandma) and it could be resolved inside the family, but Kang yima was an outsider and to give her appropriate punishment in the court of justice, her family (maternal, and married into) had to give their consent. So that what all the arguing and blame shifting was about, mainly between Sheng Family (Minglan and Shen Hong after being "persuaded"/forced by Minglan; later, the super awesome Changbai enters the stage) trying to ensure that Kang yima is punished harshly, and her maternal family (mainly, her mother) trying to protect her and get her off with basically a slap on the wrist, and threatening the Sheng Family because they would be affected too by having such dirty laundry aired in public (i.e. what Wang shi did).
Thus, to ensure their own moral high ground, Sheng Family had to first give Wang shi a harsh punishment--Changbai decides that she spend 10 years in an isolated place praying for Grandma and reflecting. In order for her to agree, he threatens with resigning from his post (upon which the Sheng Family's future advancement hinged), so Wang shi relented. Changbai didn't resign anymore, and ended up having a very successful career. Kang yima's maternal family ultimately relented as well, then her husband also agreed, so Kang yima was prosecuted and was given a lifetime sentence in prison.

 

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13 hours ago, leeza77 said:

 

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Yanran's father and stepmother agreed to marry off yanran's half sister if gty's father and stepmother agreed to get rid of the children and MN

 

Please see that I was talking about the book. 

@linhlinh111 @leeza77 In my previous post, I was agreeing to linhlinh111 discussion of “di son from noble Marquess family without any merit will have a hard time to marry daughter of aristocratic scholar official family if he already has illegitimate son and he will have to marry someone with a lot lower status than him”. I was just adding if GTY is not ambitious, he could marry Shu daughter (like in the case of Liang Mama choosing Shu born ML) and even a di daughter from lower rank official family like the book portrayed (Yanran’s father official rank is not high though grandfather used to be tai shi). I just think the drama writer did not let him marry to Yu Yan Hong because they think that viewers might not be able to accept him if he is also a widower. My point was GTY was having a hard time because he was being ambitious, arrogant and wanting all the best possible, oldest and daughter of first wife (Faqi 发妻), the pearl in the palms of her grandfather tai shi, with pleasant temperament who is considered better choice than her younger sister. 

@linhlinh111 I agreed with everything you said but clarifying that Shu born son do not have right to inherit the title but they do threaten the main wife (whether or not the husband holds any noble title) since they can divide the assests equally with di sons in Song Dynasty. I do not think you’re saying GTR was a bad person for having son and I don’t think he is either. However, He is flawed (selfish) for wanting the best for himself without considering the girl and her family side. He did not tell the girl family that he has illegitimate children. He would have been able to marry Yanran if MN did not make known of her and her children presence.

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

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what is happening to Molan and her mother in 32? seems scenes have karma catching up to them? 

 

I wonder if ML has a hand in orchestrating the whole thing though....gut feeling tells me she has a hand in this..

 

On a totally random note, I've just noticed that the painting at the background during the end credit seems to actually be the story of Ming lan. From when she lost her mom and took the boat to BianJing to his happily ever after (I hope) with GTY. Am I just being really slow to take note?:sweatingbullets:

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47 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Molan caught red handed in a promiscuous situation with the 6th son of liang family. PREGNANT and married of to him. She shamed the family and lin niang got punished. Fell out of favor from shen hong

 

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Woah...I knew Molan was going to get herself caught with Liang 6th son but thought maybe like hugging. Didn’t think they were going to actually have it where they were going all the way :o and to be caught red handed by her father...:blink:

And daddy dearest is finally not going to let things go lightly for mother/daughter duo since it’s a huge black spot on the family honor.

 

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On 1/12/2019 at 4:47 AM, m0us3y said:

Do correct me if I've misunderstood,...did u mean QH should die honorably just because he couldn't get ML?:huh:

If that's not what you meant, my apologies in advance for misunderstanding. 

 

If that's what you meant...

Then I think ML should have died first - born into unloved lowly concubine, mother and brother murdered, and she has to continue to live with the murderers!

And GTY should die following - mom died from heartbreak, misunderstood by the world to cause the dad's death, the one he loved (MN) deceived him all these while, the stepmom he trusted turned out to be a demon. 

I'm not sure losing his first love (and servant) is much harder. 

 

So he doesn't get his first love. Forced to give it up and marry another. 

Life lesson 101: you don't get everything you want in life. I like how @hello210 puts it, it's opportunity, and choices. And if I may add, trade offs. You make a choice, you get something, you lose something else. Almost the law of equilibrium. 

 

He made a choice, (yes, under threat), to save the dad and potentially Sheng Family and ML to marry the princess, he loses ML. It may not seem like much of a choice, but it is. And he made it.

GTY offered the other choice: Maybe stupid, probably very risky, definitely daring. The stakes are high, and if he loses, he could lose a lot! But fact is, he didn't choose the risky route (if he did, he would probably be the male lead).

The choice he made is probably consistent with the character of QH, if I may add. 

If he made that choice, live with the consequences! 

 

He has his moral code, and that's partially to do with the fact that he had the luxury to have that. 

It's tumultuous times, and it's a dog eat dog world out there. His ideals would be crushed sooner or later. That world he lives in was a bubble the parents created for him. It's bound to burst. 

 

When things go south, he should learn to fight. 

Learn the way of life, it doesn't mean he has to manipulate everyone, but it does mean he's at least able to protect himself. 

Everyone is fighting hard to survive, and thrive. ML and GTY had always been on battlefields, fighting for themselves. 

About time for QH to do the same too. 

Death, after just losing your right to be with your loved one? That's just cowardice. 

 

Yes I said he better off dying than living at the end only to suffer. Let me explain my side. From what others said, they say that in the end he live a bachelor life after two unsuccessful marriage. That is why for me it is way better for him to at least be known as that guy who help the ML or the world than that passionate guy who can't move on.  See, you you either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself called a Villain. XD 

 

At least in the end, the ML and the Male Lead had a happy ending from their despair beginning. But what about QH?  I beg to differ and say that he also fight hard. He may not chose the riskist route but he still fought. Yes now he will live the consequence and that's why for me it is way better to die than experiencing such thing. It may be a coward route but it is the route we can at least say he will die in peace. 

 

Just because others is suffering way more doesn't mean he isn't. At least ML and GTY had someone to lean on during their darkest time, but what about him? 

 

 

(This next paragraph is not specifically for you) 

Also stop saying this character is written well and that. Every character is written well. Just that the drama might have screw some a bit. 

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15 minutes ago, hello210 said:

@m0us3y @dito @ForgottenSoulx Thanks. I was trying to figure that out because it wasn’t in the novel spoilers that GTY was imprisoned but we know they’ve added little things here and there for more dramatic stuff.  And below is what I was talking about with grandma situation. It was the one time ML was not letting things go. Maybe they’ll do it differently.

 

credit: pasted from Adnana Novel Spoilers

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Kang yima didn't actually get to really blackmail anyone like she had intended. Sure, her long-term plan was to trick her sister into poisoning and killing her mother-in-law, and afterward, Wang shi would have been completely at her mercy. Anything Kang yima asked, she would have had to do under threat of having her incredibly atrocious misdeed revealed.
Yet it didn't get to that point because Minglan was notified that Grandma was sick on that very night, she quickly brought a doctor who diagnosed poisoning, so she took care of Grandma and at the same time laid the trap to reveal the mastermind. Then it was a question of forcing her father to do the right thing, that is not to cover up the ugly incident (like he wanted, so as not to sully the family's precious honor) but to punish the ones responsible and thus get justice for Grandma. Wang shi they could punish more lightly (she didn't actually want to kill Grandma) and it could be resolved inside the family, but Kang yima was an outsider and to give her appropriate punishment in the court of justice, her family (maternal, and married into) had to give their consent. So that what all the arguing and blame shifting was about, mainly between Sheng Family (Minglan and Shen Hong after being "persuaded"/forced by Minglan; later, the super awesome Changbai enters the stage) trying to ensure that Kang yima is punished harshly, and her maternal family (mainly, her mother) trying to protect her and get her off with basically a slap on the wrist, and threatening the Sheng Family because they would be affected too by having such dirty laundry aired in public (i.e. what Wang shi did).
Thus, to ensure their own moral high ground, Sheng Family had to first give Wang shi a harsh punishment--Changbai decides that she spend 10 years in an isolated place praying for Grandma and reflecting. In order for her to agree, he threatens with resigning from his post (upon which the Sheng Family's future advancement hinged), so Wang shi relented. Changbai didn't resign anymore, and ended up having a very successful career. Kang yima's maternal family ultimately relented as well, then her husband also agreed, so Kang yima was prosecuted and was given a lifetime sentence in prison.

 

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I think the grandma poisoning scene will be included too. In the same trailer, ML was talking to her dad, and her dad said that in reality, she never changed. She's been like that all the while, and another scene showing ML demanding that she wants justice, no matter what. 

That hairstyle is after she got married, and it seems like she got her revenge on Lin Concubine soon, which would mean before her marriage. 

So I'm only deducing that the confrontation with her dad after the marriage would be due to the poisoning case?

 

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4 minutes ago, thatpers0n said:

Yes I said he better off dying than living at the end only to suffer. Let me explain my side. From what others said, they say that in the end he live a bachelor life after two unsuccessful marriage. That is why for me it is way better for him to at least be known as that guy who help the ML or the world than that passionate guy who can't move on.  See, you you either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself called a Villain. XD 

 

At least in the end, the ML and the Male Lead had a happy ending from their despair beginning. But what about QH?  I beg to differ and say that he also fight hard. He may not chose the riskist route but he still fought. Yes now he will live the consequence and that's why for me it is way better to die than experiencing such thing. It may be a coward route but it is the route we can at least say he will die in peace. 

 

Just because others is suffering way more doesn't mean he isn't. At least ML and GTY had someone to lean on during their darkest time, but what about him? 

 

(This next paragraph is not specifically for you) 

Also stop saying this character is written well and that. Every character is written well. Just that the drama might have screw some a bit. 

I have no doubt that QH is a pitiful character. 

And to a lot of extent, he could no longer control his own marriage since everyone he cares about were under threat. 

So he made a choice (arguably under the no other viable choice circumstances) to marry the princess and give up ML. 

 

Since everything has set in stone, and he can no longer turn back time, shouldnt he learn how to let go? 

Let himself go, and let ML go. 

If it has already turned out this way, why not learn and try to live well with what you have?

So he couldn't love the princess he was forced pretty much with a knife at his throat to marry. I can't argue against that. 

He could always find someone else and take a concubine? Learn to love someone else. 

Then perhaps, he wouldn't live such a lonely life...

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