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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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49 minutes ago, Jackie1048 said:

On the Tang dynasty Emperor and Yang Guifei, it depicts like that Tang Emperor Qi Heng will be unable to protect Ming Lan as Yang Guifei became the scapegoat for his failure and she had to commit suicide.

 

I believe Ming Lan next concentration is her revenge on Concubine Lin as the physician explained that her mother need not die at all. Ming Lan's mother could have delivered her son safely if it wasn't for Concubine Lin's evil plan.

@Jackie1048sorry to cut your post. I am glad too that the show is moving on from Ming Lan/Yuan Ruo young idealistic romance. So, that was what Ting Ye was warning Ming Lan about when he told her about Emperor and Yang Guifei and she answered that QHY was not the emperor and has no empire to protect. Eye rolls... but only begin to realize after learning that people died and more could and she will get abandoned. 

And yes, GTY is his own man and set up his own household with only Rong er and Momo. ML will be the queen of the household. His brother will be sorry he did not give him the spear. I can't wait for him to take back what was taken from him.

 

I am worried about what concubine Lin would do to either grandma or Ming Lan. I hope she and her aunt have a solid plan. Concubine Lin has her loyal maid spying on them. 

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5 hours ago, zenya22 said:

@m0us3y

 

 

Looks like this was a peak Dynasty for Women there is Princess Pingyang of Tang dynasty as well i think that is the general you are on about ;p

 

4 hours ago, m0us3y said:

That's exactly what I meant. He doesn't let himself go, and he doesn't let her go. In a way, it's a guilt trip. That a man of his status would "do" so much for her. Although everything he does, she doesn't actually benefit. If anything, he's only hurting her by promising something he cant deliver. But it's enough to tie her down and make her feel like she should reciprocate. 

This, in my view, isn't love. 

 

Its love just selfish love.

 

4 hours ago, crackaddict said:

On the topic of disappointing men, was anyone else upset with ML's father and his refusal at her requests on behalf of her dead mother? 

 

What a richard simmons... hope he gets his comeuppance. 

 

4 hours ago, minglan1 said:

@crackaddict I didn't like how Shen Hong wanted to brush aside the possibility of foul play in ML mom's demise.He is a shrewd guy and I feel he has guessed in part that the inner court ladies had not played fair in the circumstances leading to her death.At this point he is too worried of not getting his household involved in a scandal.

He comes across as a very selfish man.

 

Hated him for a while hes selfish and a weak man who does not really care for his family.

 

3 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

 

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I understand what im saying and its not 21st century thinking if anything that is your views , you cant simply say oh this is the general consensus of women right's so thats that.

 

In those times there were plenty of out liars you dont really know what went on in these household's. I know plenty about Chinese culture and history.

 

All households and family's were different back then its not so hard to believe that in some houses they respected women more or that a concubine daughter took over as a steward for a short amount of time. 

 

Sure right's vary from Dynasty but they vary from household as well, you seem to know alot about history but every household back then was full of politics its not hard to believe that they had someone irrelevant power wise but clever take over the steward position for a while. 

 

2 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

Yes men in that period could have many women even before marriage, but you can see from the drama that none of them had illegitimate children  before getting married, to be exact none of them had eldest children born from a concubine. That was considered shameful and will lessen his marriage potential to a woman with status. Moreover when GTY was looking for a wife earlier in the drama, his goal was to find someone who would treat his concubine right. He had no rights to ask such a thing from his main wife and her family. He was selfish, disrespect, ignorant and shameless. That was no action coming from a gentlemen with dignity, nor it was fit for someone of his education background and his status of aristocracy. The fact that that girl was not the main lead didn't stop me from feeling angry for her. He left a very bad first impression so no wonder he is being criticized by viewers.

 

I dont think hes selfish,disrespectful , ignorant or shameless for wanting to find a wife who accept's his concubine/children hes selfish for not saying it before the marriage but i dont think his actions in general around the situation deserve that much disgust.. 

 

2 hours ago, m0us3y said:

@ForgottenSoulx I like feisty females too. Can't say the same about arrogant males. :lol: 

Lol. Which is why I liked QH earlier, he's such a gentleman! Although I disagree with his actions, I can understand them (due to his background). 

But now that I've got some opportunity to look back and reflect on the earlier and recent episodes, there's a bit of underlying arrogance. Indirectly. And I can't say I like what I'm seeing. 

 

You need the arrogant males and feisty females for hilarious moment's , i also liked QH but i sort of dread his scene's now. 

 

1 hour ago, fra8 said:

I don’t think the point of the show is to say gty is the best guy or even a better guy than qh. But gty  is because of many fsctors including his personality and experience the better guy for ml. And that is what really matters.

gty is a flawed character, in the book ml is a flawed character (here she is not until now) but they worked in the end.

I also think the show makes gty better but it does this even with qh. In the book qh is not really important. I would say they are changing a little the characterization of ml, gty and qh. But I like this more 

ps I agree feisty heroines/rich guys are the best.

 

Totally agree its multiple factors and fate as why GTY is the best fit for ML.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, minoku2209 said:

Article :The Story Of Minglan Director Talks About Finding The Perfect Cast 

 

 

Thanks for the news @minoku2209

That's how I felt initially about the show too. 

First 10 episodes seem a bit slower, but looking back, it seems like it's just setting up the each character nicely. And everything makes more sense! 

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1 hour ago, fra8 said:

I don’t think the point of the show is to say gty is the best guy or even a better guy than qh. But gty  is because of many fsctors including his personality and experience the better guy for ml. And that is what really matters.

gty is a flawed character, in the book ml is a flawed character (here she is not until now) but they worked in the end.

I also think the show makes gty better but it does this even with qh. In the book qh is not really important. I would say they are changing a little the characterization of ml, gty and qh. But I like this more 

ps I agree feisty heroines/rich guys are the best.

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I read that the wedding will be next week.. Can't wait. ML's character will be more feisty and cunning after marriage. Blooming to her true self

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On 1/10/2019 at 5:20 AM, linhlinh111 said:

I want to explain to you why the fact that GTY already had an eldest son is looking so bad for him. During this time period, normally the family's title and assets would go to the legitimate son. However the eldest son also held certain influence in the household bc he had a few years' advantage and the title 'big brother' (which means he was to be respected by his younger brothers). If the illegitimate eldest son turned out to be a capable man, climbed up in the social ladder he may use his connections and his title as the eldest son to fight for the family title and fortune. That's why in families with status, a concubine would not be allowed to have children before the main wife had produced an heir, or only if the main wife couldn't produce an heir after a few years of marriage. If a man accidentally got his maid pregnant before he got married, the maid would be forced to have an abortion. That's why in the Sheng family, although ML's father favoured Lin concubine, both of his eldest son and daughter were from his main wife. That can also explain why Manniang took the son not the daughter, bc the son was much more important. A man who already had an eldest son would not be able to marry a lady from the same status, since her family would not agree to take that risk. He would have to marry someone from a lower status.

 

It's lucky for GTY later he turned out to become the new Emperor's favourite, or else there's no way his scheme would work.

 

Thanks for taking time explaining. I just want to clarify that there are three types of sons main wife born di, concubine born shu and illegitimate sons who were born of outside women and did not get recorded in family ancestry book. Shu sons are considered legitimate. In Song Dynasty, shu son, however, has right to equally divide family assests with di sons though they do not have right to inherit the nobility title (ref: Concubines in Song China, women and the family in history of China). The illegitimate sons will not have right to any family assests and their names won't be registered into ancestry book.  

The main wife and parents have to approve the concubine to be married into the family. The outside women are those with very low status like prostitutes and entertainers from brothels (even if they do not sell their bodies) that main wife and parents do not agree to welcome her into the family. I think a guy can have concubines in addition to tong-fan maids before marrying legal wife. In the case of GTY’s family, their standard is high as they won’t accept MN because she is singer even though she is not from brothel. 

 

In GTY’s case, he is having issue to find a wife because he only wants to marry di daughter. He already said that it would be easy for him to marry ML who is a shu born when they were fighting in desert shop. Although it did not happen in drama, he was able to marry Yu Yan Hong, di daughter and younger half-sister of Yanran  in the book even though Yanran parents know that he has two kids with outside women. Unlike in drama, MN took both kids with her when she went to Yu house. He could not marry Yanran only because she was raised by her grandparents and they want her to have peaceful marriage life and they thought that he having two kids with a woman like MN will be miserable life for Yanran who is too soft. I do not remember what happened to accepting MN as concubine after he got married to YH. I think at that point he already found out MN’s nature and decided not to bring her in. He had to scheme to marry ML is because of her grandmom not because of SH and WS. SH and WS already agreed Rulan di daughter to marry him after he became general. 

 

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 In the book, Liang Liu's concubine, shu sister of the wife of one of his shu older brother, was already pregnant and that was one of the reasons Liang Mama was fine with her son marrying ML and another reason is she thinks that ML is prettier and have ability to manage scheming concubine of her son. 

 

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Im at the point where im starting to dislike QH.. i feel so bad for him but like i want ML and GTY romance to begin already i hate that everytime it goes to QH its something depressing. 

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@leeza77 Will that be possible though?. GTY still need to rise in position and aid in the ascension of the new emperor. Seems kinda too short of a timeframe unless it will start in the next 2 episodes. I think the week after is more plausible, althought it might happen at the end of next week.

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Just read on weibo.. Dunno w

20 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@leeza77 Will that be possible though?. GTY still need to rise in position and aid in the ascension of the new emperor. Seems kinda too short of a timeframe unless it will start in the next 2 episodes. I think the week after is more plausible, althought it might happen at the end of next week.

Read on weibo.. Dunno whether it's true or not. They said on thursday next week. So, around 9 episodes more. I think it's plausible.. 

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46 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

 

Thanks for taking time explaining. I just want to clarify that there are three types of sons main wife born di, concubine born shu and illegitimate sons who were born of outside women and did not get recorded in family ancestry book. Shu sons are considered legitimate. In Song Dynasty, shu son, however, has right to equally divide family assests with di sons though they do not have right to inherit the nobility title (ref: Concubines in Song China, women and the family in history of China). The illegitimate sons will not have right to any family assests and their names won't be registered into ancestry book.  

The main wife and parents have to approve the concubine to be married into the family. The outside women are those with very low status like prostitutes and entertainers from brothels (even if they do not sell their bodies) that main wife and parents do not agree to welcome her into the family. I think a guy can have concubines in addition to tong-fan maids before marrying legal wife. In the case of GTY’s family, their standard is high as they won’t accept MN because she is singer even though she is not from brothel. 

 

In GTY’s case, he is having issue to find a wife because he only wants to marry di daughter. He already said that it would be easy for him to marry ML who is a shu born when they were fighting in desert shop. Although it did not happen in drama, he was able to marry Yu Yan Hong, di daughter and younger half-sister of Yanran  in the book even though Yanran parents know that he has two kids with outside women. Unlike in drama, MN took both kids with her when she went to Yu house. He could not marry Yanran only because she was raised by her grandparents and they want her to have peaceful marriage life and they thought that he having two kids with a woman like MN will be miserable life for Yanran who is too soft. I do not remember what happened to accepting MN as concubine after he got married to YH. I think at that point he already found out MN’s nature and decided not to bring her in. He had to scheme to marry ML is because of her grandmom not because of SH and WS. SH and WS already agreed Rulan di daughter to marry him after he became general. 

 

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 In the book, Liang Liu's concubine, shu sister of the wife of one of his shu older brother, was already pregnant and that was one of the reasons Liang Mama was fine with her son marrying ML and another reason is she thinks that ML is prettier and have ability to manage scheming concubine of her son. 

 

 

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Yanran's father and stepmother agreed to marry off yanran's half sister if gty's father and stepmother agreed to get rid of the children and MN

 

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59 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

Im at the point where im starting to dislike QH.. i feel so bad for him but like i want ML and GTY romance to begin already i hate that everytime it goes to QH its something depressing. 

 

Agree, ep 27 really was the turning point for me. It’s fine that QH insisted on marrying ML, it’s young love. It’s fine he cant really defy his parents, those was an ingrained filial piety. But when your most close and trusted aid was getting beat to death, all you can do is plead your mother.. well.. that for me is weakness. I cant help to think GTY would have turned the house upside down if something similar was to happen to shitou. I know it’s apple and orange, QH is not the martial expert rogue.. but it was really disappointing, so yeah I want a strong male lead to protect our female lead.

 

and I cant believe it.. I actually pitied QH’s mom.. yes arrogant and cut throat, with a weak son and an even weaker husband, she needs to be a lioness to save her House

 

I LOL’d everytime shitou tried to call GTY’s bs. He is one stop away to ask “you actually like sixth little miss, arent you second young master?”

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I think it’s possible. In 10/11 episodes they could get to the wedding. They might cut or focus less on sides storylines.

it would also split the show in a  balanced way.

 

it’s true, shitou is the first shipper of gty and ml

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2 hours ago, Lunkera said:

@leeza77 Will that be possible though?. GTY still need to rise in position and aid in the ascension of the new emperor. Seems kinda too short of a timeframe unless it will start in the next 2 episodes. I think the week after is more plausible, althought it might happen at the end of next week.

 

2 hours ago, leeza77 said:

Just read on weibo.. Dunno w

Read on weibo.. Dunno whether it's true or not. They said on thursday next week. So, around 9 episodes more. I think it's plausible.. 

 

1 hour ago, fra8 said:

I think it’s possible. In 10/11 episodes they could get to the wedding. They might cut or focus less on sides storylines.

it would also split the show in a  balanced way.

 

it’s true, shitou is the first shipper of gty and ml

 

If they delay the first rebellion till after GTY and ML are married, then it might be possible. The thing is, even if they skip some events or change the sequence in which the events happened, they will still need to show the first rebellion coz thats how GTY earned his position as a general.

Then the other 3 main important events that happened before GTY's proposal, almost engagement with He Hongwen and his cousin coming to ruin everything, Rulan falling for the poor scholar and Molan getting married to Liang Liu.

If they completely skip the HHW cousin thing or the engagement with HHW never happens and If Molan getting married is in next 2-3 epis then its quite possible that GTY and ML marriage happens by the next weekend. It will take at least that many episodes to cover different story tracks happening right now. Not to forget ML is also investigating her mothers death.

Maybe we'll have a time jump.

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At 1st top left & right pic, i guess must be in new epi as I cant remember when did minglan hurt her face?

 

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6 minutes ago, minoku2209 said:

At 1st top left & right pic, I cant remember when did minglan hurt her face?

 

 

Is this not a spoiler for upcoming episode?

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If so, probably the fight with molan, because madame liang gave minglan something *cant remember*

 

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5 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

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If so, probably the fight with molan, because madame liang gave minglan something *cant remember*

 

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Yes, the fight with molan. Tonight episode. Minglan planned everything until the fight with molan as a part of her revenge for the death of her mother. 

 

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10 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Yes, the fight with molan. Tonight episode. Minglan planned everything until the fight with molan as a part of her revenge for the death of her mother. 

 

 

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She planned the fight too?? :astonished:

 

I like smart and cunning female lead LOL

 

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56 minutes ago, dito said:

 

 

 

If they delay the first rebellion till after GTY and ML are married, then it might be possible. The thing is, even if they skip some events or change the sequence in which the events happened, they will still need to show the first rebellion coz thats how GTY earned his position as a general.

Then the other 3 main important events that happened before GTY's proposal, almost engagement with He Hongwen and his cousin coming to ruin everything, Rulan falling for the poor scholar and Molan getting married to Liang Liu.

If they completely skip the HHW cousin thing or the engagement with HHW never happens and If Molan getting married is in next 2-3 epis then its quite possible that GTY and ML marriage happens by the next weekend. It will take at least that many episodes to cover different story tracks happening right now. Not to forget ML is also investigating her mothers death.

Maybe we'll have a time jump.

Another option is not showing the first rebellion but just learning about it or not showing rulan falling for the scholar but just discovering this with gty’s plan. I would avoid the cousin sl.

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GTY has separated from the main family at the moment, he doesn't have alot of status right now. He has children and he still have a relatively bad reputation cause of the family's scheeming so he won't be able to marry easily. That's why the rebellion needs to happen first. like @fra8 The best thing would be a small timeskip or the rebellion happens in like the next 2 episodes.

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4 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

Thanks for taking time explaining. I just want to clarify that there are three types of sons main wife born di, concubine born shu and illegitimate sons who were born of outside women and did not get recorded in family ancestry book. Shu sons are considered legitimate. In Song Dynasty, shu son, however, has right to equally divide family assests with di sons though they do not have right to inherit the nobility title (ref: Concubines in Song China, women and the family in history of China). The illegitimate sons will not have right to any family assests and their names won't be registered into ancestry book.  

The main wife and parents have to approve the concubine to be married into the family. The outside women are those with very low status like prostitutes and entertainers from brothels (even if they do not sell their bodies) that main wife and parents do not agree to welcome her into the family. I think a guy can have concubines in addition to tong-fan maids before marrying legal wife. In the case of GTY’s family, their standard is high as they won’t accept MN because she is singer even though she is not from brothel. 

 

In GTY’s case, he is having issue to find a wife because he only wants to marry di daughter. He already said that it would be easy for him to marry ML who is a shu born when they were fighting in desert shop. Although it did not happen in drama, he was able to marry Yu Yan Hong, di daughter and younger half-sister of Yanran  in the book even though Yanran parents know that he has two kids with outside women. Unlike in drama, MN took both kids with her when she went to Yu house. He could not marry Yanran only because she was raised by her grandparents and they want her to have peaceful marriage life and they thought that he having two kids with a woman like MN will be miserable life for Yanran who is too soft. I do not remember what happened to accepting MN as concubine after he got married to YH. I think at that point he already found out MN’s nature and decided not to bring her in. He had to scheme to marry ML is because of her grandmom not because of SH and WS. SH and WS already agreed Rulan di daughter to marry him after he became general. 

 

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 In the book, Liang Liu's concubine, shu sister of the wife of one of his shu older brother, was already pregnant and that was one of the reasons Liang Mama was fine with her son marrying ML and another reason is she thinks that ML is prettier and have ability to manage scheming concubine of her son. 

 

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From the novel spoilers I read, GTY and first wife did not get along. His first wife would not accept MN and the kids, but then not long after marriage, GTY had to leave and first wife cheated, got prego, was going to try and claim it was GTY’s kid, but stepmom found out and MN tricked her into miscarriage where she bled to death.

 

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