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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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Just finished watching episode 23-24, my take on them:

 

ep 23: you can actually see GTY’s look at ML changes.. I’m sure FSF didnt need much acting for it :D but it is very significant to see

 

ep 24: lao taitai really is shaping ML to be ready for the backyard shenanigans. Watching her cousin’s marriage problem unfold, giving solutions, that is one invaluable lesson. One that the spoiled rulan and molan wont ever have to experience

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More so that she will kinda experience it with her marriage later on, not having kids until 1 year, leeches trying to give women in the guise of filial piety. At least now she can have a real life lesson, and will already be prepared for it

 

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3 hours ago, Lunkera said:

@nnnju Yeah, most period dramas are before Song or during Qing dynasty. The drama being in Northern Song means that it's atleast like 150 years before Song falls. Which makes it alot nicer. I dont know which emperor rules at the moment since i haven't started watching yet if it's even mentioned. It's nice to see some different parts from the spoilers i have read. In episode 23 GTY says he will never go back to Gu Residence, which probably means that Rong won't be abused by the stepmom like she was in the novel since GTY left her with Nannies. I hate seeing children abused, but unfortunely it was pretty normal during those time periods, heck it's not that unusual even today.

Glad that you can escape from the fan wars atleast ^^

Regarding the emperor, I checked a bit, it is agreed by most netizen, he is Emperor RenZong of the Northern Song Dynasty (AD1022-1063, the fourth emperor of the nine emperors in the dynasty). He is regarded as a kind emperor with no major establishment but also no major mistakes. The story most likely happened at around AD1062 since it was time for him to adopt a heir from his relatives.

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6 hours ago, tomo74 said:

@nnnju I agree with you, crazy fanatic fans are scary, I saw people got into nasty fight (in the chat), name calling, swearing, etc because the crazy fan got offended for something stupid (no one even said something bad about that actor/actress, they just overly sensitive) so I'm happy in this forum, everyone are nice and open minded

So true, so true. So glad there are still some places to go with peace and mature thinking. Orz

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@nnnju I see, but the next emperor after Renzong called Yingzong only ruled for 4 years. I guess GTY will be favored by both the father and son?. Atleast interesting to know if it happens around emperor Renzong is that Song Dynasty will last for atleast another 200 years.

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5 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@nnnju I see, but the next emperor after Renzong called Yingzong only ruled for 4 years. I guess GTY will be favored by both the father and son?. Atleast interesting to know if it happens around emperor Renzong is that Song Dynasty will last for atleast another 200 years.

lol. did not check the next emperor part. I'm not so sure if everything will or could be made by matching the real names and events. Curious. Looking forward to see future eps.  

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8 hours ago, purplefall94 said:
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I just finished episode 25 and honestly the scenes of GTY and ML in this episode clearly hinted why GTY, not QH, is the better match to ML. QH's plan (not even a plan in my book) to force his mom to accept ML as his main wife only carelessly put ML into awkward and dangerous situations. He did not for a moment consider how his love and actions can harm her in the short and long term, even after she tried to spell it out for him. I can't take his love seriously because of how selfish it is.

 

I beg to differ opinion on QH being selfish and GTY being better man and more considerate towards ML than QH. Imo, we’re comparing apples and oranges when comparing QH and GTY. They’re just two totally different people with different personalities, backgrounds and in different situations that ML met and loved at different times in her life.

Of course, it will turn out GTY was more suitable for ML as he is main lead (he has more screen time since childhood parts, his character development is more flushed out and more open conversations with ML since childhood), she got married to him and had a happy marriage life later created by author.

Imo, QH and ML's love is same as first love which did not end up in marriage or even first marriage that did not work for some couples due to time, circumstances and certain situations though the couple was in love and neither party was selfish nor bad people for relationship not to work. 
 

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We do not know yet whether GTY will trick Sheng family and ML to marry him in the drama like in the book. If he does, I think GTY is more selfish than QH as he is being dishonest about his circumstances and feelings, cheating ML and her family of their trust and not having even basic respect to ML as human being. Though he mentioned to ML before actual marriage that he believes he is the one who can give ML life being true to herself, what kind of marriage life will be when bride is conned into it. That's why ML didn't open up to him or being openly showed her thoughts to him in the beginning of the marriage. 


 

 

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6 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

I beg to differ opinion on QH being selfish and GTY being better man and more considerate towards ML than QH. Imo, we’re comparing apples and oranges when comparing QH and GTY. They’re just two totally different people with different personalities, backgrounds and in different situations that ML met and loved at different times in her life.

Of course, it will turn out GTY was more suitable for ML as he is main lead (he has more screen time since childhood parts, his character development is more flushed out and more open conversations with ML since childhood), she got married to him and had a happy marriage life later created by author.

Imo, QH and ML's love is same as first love which did not end up in marriage or even first marriage that did not work for some couples due to time, circumstances and certain situations though the couple was in love and neither party was selfish nor bad people for relationship not to work. 
 

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We do not know yet whether GTY will trick Sheng family and ML to marry him in the drama like in the book. If he does, I think GTY is more selfish than QH as he is being dishonest about his circumstances and feelings, cheating ML and her family of their trust and not having even basic respect to ML as human being. Though he mentioned to ML before actual marriage that he believes he is the one who can give ML life being true to herself, what kind of marriage life will be when bride is conned into it. That's why ML didn't open up to him or being openly showed her thoughts to him in the beginning of the marriage. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes that's one thing I dislike about him. Even later in the marriage where there are things he does that pissed me off, but I guess it makes him more realistic. Unlike the typical perfect male lead, he's flawed in thoughts and in methods and he keeps learning and changing himself to be a better man throughout the story before and even after marriage.

 

I hope he wouldn't have to trick ML and her family in the drama, cuz unlike the book, he has more interactions with ML so maybe ML will actually accept his proposal and help him persuade her grandma.

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
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Well tonight Gty did offer to help him getting together with ML, but he didn't accept the offer of help from gty. Thus, he lost ML and regret it. 

 

 

Really? I kind of felt like GTY came to see him to do something like that. QH went awfully quite after GTY said something but he stayed silent till the end. He'll regret it for the rest of his life. And for GTY, I think he's making sure there's no accusations on him from QH later on of moving in on his girl in his absence. Had he accepted GTY's offer.....I'm sure GTY would've helped them. But QH has too much on his plate right now.....and so couldn't decide.

Also I'm glad ML returned both the dolls.....clean break is the best in such situations.

I was just very surprised that the princess had to explain to QH the trouble their family was in.... 

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@nnnju I guess it could also be an alternate world probably. Since the novels into drama are usually just loosely based on history. Fun to theorize anyway.

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Imo, QH is just being naive thinking ML’s lower status was not going to be huge impact on him and his family as some people marry below their status. He mentioned to his parents that ML cannot be considered concubine-born being raised by her grandmom and both her father and brother are educated and have lots of future potential though they do not have noble title. He is not being selfish, inconsiderate or not understanding ML's circumstances or weak for begging his parents to approve his marriage to ML as this is the only way he know and can do in order to be with ML given the society at that time and his circumstances. In his mind, he needs to at least try to voice his feelings to be with ML and he believed he will succeed in persuading his parents as he is the only son who has always been filial to them, his parents love him dearly, he does not need his wife family's help to further promote his status, and ML being the only girl he likes and close to for many years. It is similar to interracial marriages most Asian parents do not agree to in these days. There are Asian guys and girls who married their gf/ bf from different ethnic groups despite their parents not approving and not talking to their spouses. Are they being selfish to their spouses for putting them in awkward situation and giving emotional baggage for not being able to attend his side of family's functions?  There are interracial marriages which did not get parental blessings even after kids were born. Should they have given up their relationships instead of getting married since their parents didn't approve of or talk to their significance others? 

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in today's epi 28, he realized he was being naive of his circumstances and he has no control over or right to decide whom to marry being the most suitable bachelor in the capital.  It has been shown that QH gave up ML not because he realized that they cannot be together due to differences in their status or his mom disagreement but he was threatened with his father's safety, the live of ML and the livelihood of ML's family by Yong Wang Fei. He did not dare to get help from GTY and follow his suggestions of kinapping Yong Wang’s daughter and kept her hidden as emperor being sick and Yong Wang becoming the most powerful prince with possibility of being the next emperor. GTY critized QH that he was hesitating too much instead of rebelling and doing what makes him happy. However, I did not agree with GTY and agreed with QH’s decision to let go of ML. It matches his character and personality of being a gentleman who is considerate of others above his own feelings. There are many uncertainties and risks involved including lives of ML, her family, her relatives as well as his family and relatives by kinapping county princess even if GTY helped him if Yong Wang became crown prince and later emperor. GTY never gave a damn about any of his family member and used to doing whatever except he was really in shock during the time when his dad was dying and right after his death. Plus, he did not see and face through Yong Wang Fei’s manipulations with QH’s dad and did not see cruelty of Yong Wang Fei with Long second miss LFY. QH was forced to sign marriage agreement to county princess but he could not let anyone know of the actual reason of giving up on ML even to ML. I'm not certain this can be considered his character development as he did not give up on ML due to differences in their status or his fear of ML being in difficult situation after marriage due to his powerful mom. However, it shows that he protected ML in his own way and no longer naive of his and his family standing and circumstances in this dynasty. He was willing to end his life in exchange for his father's release by threatening to kill himself in front of Yong Wang Fei but he gave up on the idea when Wang Fei said that ML will die too after he dies. 

In some people’s opinion, QH's character might seem weaker and weaker compared to GTY by taking this route of being threatened by Yong Wang family. In the book, he married Yong Wang’s daughter being pressured by his mom instead and ML not having any interest in him. 

 

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I think he shouldn't have tricked her but I wouldnt be bothered if they keep the SL. GTY was a good husband but he was a man of his time. He knew ML wouldn't have picked the husband, he knew he wasn't even a choice. He tricked them to get what he wanted.  Today we see this as a bad thing and it was (not saying he was right, he was selfish), but he was putting himself in the place of a man chosen not by her but her family. She was satisfied with He, but after the cousin's thing, she was clearly not happy.

During the marriage he does things I wouldn't do. But then he let her be more free that she could have, he backed her, he didnt' pressure her to have children ...Also ML wasn't Always fair to him. They were flawed characters but they grew as a great couple by the end.

About QH, in the book he was less important. Here I think he had to mature and find his strenght. But I can't see him as a good choice. I dont even think he understands her and he put her in a bad situation. Of course it is because this is the SL they are telling. If QH had been the main lead, we would have seen him fighting his family, winning and giving her the life she wanted.

 

I haven't watched ep 28, but I would say it's a growth from what  I read above. 

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I felt so bad for QH's servant. That should have shown hin how little power he has to protect someone and that he should stop playkbg with Minglans future.

 

That moment at the end bw GTY and ML was the preview that I saw and I think he is looking at her like he admires her and is ready to try and win her.

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I don't think QH was given a choice. It was choose this or watch everyone die. Its more like he no longer had the freedom to choose. Just accept what they've decided. Though he did grow up through all this. Watching his loyal servant die for him should have been an enough of a wakeup call.

One thing I don't understand ...how did this wangfei know about ML? To use her a threat....

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16 minutes ago, dito said:

I don't think QH was given a choice. It was choose this or watch everyone die. Its more like he no longer had the freedom to choose. Just accept what they've decided. Though he did grow up through all this. Watching his loyal servant die for him should have been an enough of a wakeup call.

One thing I don't understand ...how did this wangfei know about ML? To use her a threat....

 

It's the polo match, it's a public event, everyone knows. Maybe not everyone knows that QH loves ML, but the inner circle can definitely connect the dots. That Wang Fei only needs to investigate a little to figure it out. 

 

QH should have never played that match with ML. Jia Cheng princess would probably never have liked him and his love to ML would have still been some sort of a secret.

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On 1/9/2019 at 3:10 AM, tomo74 said:

I'll ship ML with the person ML loves, so as up to the current episodes, I'll ship her with QH, please don't hate me GTY/ML shipper, I haven't reach that far yet :cry:

We are all free to ship dear I am sure no one will hate you :D  I was unsure of GTY in earlier episodes and now I kind of warm up to him.  I like QH too but he seems overpowered by his tiger (dragon) mum.  I really do not want Minglan to suffer like her sister or cousin.  If ML marry into his household, I am not sure she will be entirely free.  

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1 hour ago, mrsyooknit said:

I felt so bad for QH's servant. That should have shown hin how little power he has to protect someone and that he should stop playkbg with Minglans future.

 

That moment at the end bw GTY and ML was the preview that I saw and I think he is looking at her like he admires her and is ready to try and win her.

 

He's also ready to fight for her. He told her if someone gives her trouble over this...when he comes back he'll teach them a lesson for her.

The way he looks at her changed when he talked to her after saving her life. When she was telling him to think about his daughters future.... I think thats when the admiration began.

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20 minutes ago, dito said:

 

He's also ready to fight for her. He told her if someone gives her trouble over this...when he comes back he'll teach them a lesson for her.

The way he looks at her changed when he talked to her after saving her life. When she was telling him to think about his daughters future.... I think thats when the admiration began.

 

I agree. I also think it was the fact that she didnt belittle his daughter due to her mother. He is looking for someone who wont look down on his kids and I think that made him look at her twice. 

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3 hours ago, dito said:

And for GTY, I think he's making sure there's no accusations on him from QH later on of moving in on his girl in his absence. Had he accepted GTY's offer.....I'm sure GTY would've helped them. But QH has too much on his plate right now.....and so couldn't decide.

I was just very surprised that the princess had to explain to QH the trouble their family was in.... 

I think QH did not realize the fact that he playing Polo with ML was obvious to people that he wants to marry ML as his main wife since he was very discrete in meeting her and sending gifts to her that even big Madam, Molan and Rulan did not know his intention to marry ML as main wife. He was very amazed to hear that Yong Wang family will be that low behaving like lawless being emperor’s nephew/ close relative by threatening the safety of his father and the lives of the girl he likes and her family (even if they find out he likes her) as she is only concubine-born of 5th level official, who most people would think, will just become a concubine of his and county princess should not feel threatened for principal wife position. ML's status was different from LFY who was contending for main wife position. Even when Yu Yanran's half-sister (former potential wife of GTY, 3rd daughter of Yu family who lost to ML @Polo and was jealous at ML) was snipping at ML with words, she was indicating ML was overeaching herself to become concubine of QH. Plus, in his mind, he was planning to kill himself if he is forced to marry JC county princess. He was in awe when Wang Fei told him ML would be dead too after he died. He laughed and told Wang Fei that he was in disbelief of how stupid she is for having little foresight for her daughter’s future by just making sure the princess gets what she wants currently instead of thinking about her future marriage life. 

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In the book, both princess and QH had unhappy marriage, fighting all the time and QH slept separately most of the time during their short marriage (before princess died during rebellion). In the drama, I'm not sure QH will get married as I'm seeing comments on YouTube saying QH never got married his entire life and just loved ML. Since the drama writers seem to put importance of their male lead being pure enough to be suitable for ML (GTY not having dead legal wife before ML) as most of you fans wanted, they might do the same for QH's fans :D 

 

I think GTY is offering his help to kidnap the princess on behalf of QH because he was unconsciously started to care so much about ML being sad and ML’s reputation being ruined as he knows that ML was very cautious and reserved in her behavior for her family’s name and honor.  

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Imo, I think he was being reckless and did not think through properly on behalf of lives of family members of QH and ML if Yong Wang becomes emperor one day. He was just thinking present time that YW and his wife can’t do anything to QH and ML if he kidnaps the princess and hides her as long as they can’t connect him to QH. It is very naive and reckless of someone with great military strategy and intuition to think like that since YW and his wife will connect the disapperance of their daughter to QH and ML eventually and will have grudge on them even if they do not have physical evidence linking to QH at present. According to QH’s mom, Long family already having grudge on Qi family even though they have no physical evidence of LFY being kidnapped, raped, beaten by YW Fei’s people. If QH and ML got married after princess disappearance, YW will revenge them when he became emperor even if no direct physical evidences. Of course, in favor of GTY’s sugggestion, YW would not become emperor and his whole family died. 

 

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I am onto episode 27 now and Qiheng will have a big shock that will change him......So sad.  His mum is just so evil.

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Someone want to kindly explain the significance behind the dolls that QH gave ML? Did GTY plan to give the other doll to ML but ML refuses and give back the one that QH gave? I'm currently assuming that these dolls are love tokens but is it? 

 

I wonder what Changbei felt when GTY proposed marriage to his household... I'm assuming it's probably a good thing and he might actually be happy? 

 

Anyone want to explain how BY just automatically left the army and not return? Like.. don't you need to have an order to leave ..??? 

 

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I also noticed in the MV that it looks like GTY gets into trouble? In Prison? Exiled to war? Any explanations here? 

 

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