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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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23 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

 

it’s near the last episode, I’ll just stay away from this thread until the last ep finish getting subbed :P 

Haha goodluck to you:grin: I mange to stay away from this thread for 5 days..and now here I am again:lol:whatta curse:tounge_xd:

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41 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

Ha ha.. Can you??? :joy:

 

29 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Idk.. look at me still commenting :skull:

 

21 minutes ago, heatherbee said:

Haha goodluck to you:grin: I mange to stay away from this thread for 5 days..and now here I am again:lol:whatta curse:tounge_xd:

 

I'm super mad at the writers. So upset that after doing almost everything right...this drama started to falter at the end.

Still, I can't stay away....reading every post and watching previews.....waiting here with you all, for the finish. :D

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It does look like the emperor's side took advantage of all the bad guys ganging up on GTY and used the situation to bring down the ED.

So it may not have been planned from the start but when they got served with a good opportunity to take down ED,  the Emperor, GTY and Huan wang grabbed it with both hands.

I still think it'd have been much simpler to go with what the book had...instead of all these worms crawling out of the woodwork to create havoc.

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2 hours ago, sava2sava said:

 

I was wondering how could they take GTY marquis title from him.. He inherited his own title but also inherited the marquis title from his brother which generations of Gu's has died defending the country just like him.. This title is past down from generation to generation.. So GTY son his he next in line to inhherit the title not 3rd brother..  the Gus was part of founding the dynasty i wonder.. To strip him of his tile is a slap in the ancestors faces and a mark on the emperor himself.. Who would want to fight a war for him only to be treated like this. 

 

 

Technically the Emperor can rip someone off their title and give it to his relative if the one holding the title proves undeserving of it. The title was bestowed on GTY's ancestors and is inherited by their descendants, it doesn't have to be GTY, he is just someone in line, it can be passed to the next person in line, which is his brother, or even his cousins. And by the law if GTY has been ripped off his title, his son is no longer eligible to inherit it.

 

1 hour ago, dito said:

 

This whole downfall story track has been very poorly incorporated. First of all, the stepmom going all out to bring down GTY does not make any sense, as she'll be getting the brunt of GTY's downfall too. If the charges are proven, not only GTY, the stepmom will loose everything too. She's living in the Gu house, living on GTY's properties, his money, his title. All of that would be taken away once he's found guilty. Stepmom, her son, the Gu uncles and cousins....there are all living on GTY's status. Taking his title away will also mean taking away everything that comes with it. That means every one of them including ML will become homeless.

If his crime had affected the state and the country, GTY's whole family could be sold as slaves. The two momo's who took Kang aunt away and tied her up in the Sheng house were actually from the house of the prince who rebelled before the new emperor came. In the book they were thankful that ML and GTY didn't hold that against them and were fair to them as masters.

 

Now if they had incorporated this storyline after the Gu house is divided and the family living separately....then I could understand stepmom's actions. Then GTY and the other Gu's would be separate families and will not be that affected by each other's actions.

 

Using the salt mines mismanagement would have been so much simpler and sensible .....if they did want to go over dramatic for the finale week.

And I was horrified at GTY showing his glee and happiness on hearing of ML's desperate begging in front of the empress.

Writers, do you even understand your drama's characters? 

 

This story didn't need to be this dramatic at this juncture, the finale was going to have more than enough drama. We had just finished a very emotional story track of the poisoning. Then the child birth surrounded by fire and the knife attack. At this time, the story needed to take a deep breathe and calm the f**k down to start the final rebellion track which had plenty of excitement. And if they wanted more excitement just make that part super dramatic. No need to add unnecessary stuff that don't even make sense. 

 

Theres a saying....Don't fix it, if its not broken. Screen writers need to understand that.

 

I think in the book it was a jade bangle instead of pearl necklace that QH's mom gifted to ML and the other girls. Did the writers forget what they wrote in the previous episodes? Or did they hire new writers for the last 10-12 episodes. 

 

I agree, there is so much scheming going on at the same time and some doesn't even make sense. It's dragging the drama too long and it feels tiresome to watch recent episodes.

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So who was the assassin who want to kill GTY's son? Her fighting skill is on par with Shitou, was she send by the palace, since she was kneeling outside the gate when ML beating the drum?

 

Also, Molan was laughing at ML only to find out her own marriage is falling apart. 

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2 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

So who was the assassin who want to kill GTY's son? Her fighting skill is on par with Shitou, was she send by the palace, since she was kneeling outside the gate when ML beating the drum?

 

Also, Molan was laughing at ML only to find out her own marriage is falling apart. 

That was FengXian right?

The concubine that Stepmom gifted GTY via the Gu aunt.

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4 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

So who was the assassin who want to kill GTY's son? Her fighting skill is on par with Shitou, was she send by the palace, since she was kneeling outside the gate when ML beating the drum?

 

Also, Molan was laughing at ML only to find out her own marriage is falling apart. 

She is concubine Feng...Who became a martial arts expert while wearing the costume resembling the dark lord from star wars.

I believe empress was forced to reveal the plot to ML's continued advocating for her husband.Don't see why she would laugh like that and throw the headgear..

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@shenmiao98 ah ok, didn't realise that she is the concubine because her fighting skill is really good. 

 

Also, is stepmom trying to kill GTW in the next episode?? :o and what is with MN coming back to kill the son again. I thought she is done for good after testifying at the court.

 

I really hope the writer shows a happy ending for Shitou x Xiaotao as well. I don't want only 5 minutes of happiness, I need like a whole episode of just pure happiness :phew:

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@minglan1 I thought ML was just frustrated because the empress refused the help her out. That's why she threw the headgear (just my speculation). But on that note, what is the significance of that headgear, is that her symbol of title as Marchioness? Because when she threw it out, everyone was calling her crazy?

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1 hour ago, shihuangdi said:

@shenmiao98 ah ok, didn't realise that she is the concubine because her fighting skill is really good. 

 

Also, is stepmom trying to kill GTW in the next episode?? :o and what is with MN coming back to kill the son again. I thought she is done for good after testifying at the court.

 

I really hope the writer shows a happy ending for Shitou x Xiaotao as well. I don't want only 5 minutes of happiness, I need like a whole episode of just pure happiness :phew:

Stepmom was just trying to punish GTW by placing him in the empty well. I'm guessing he saved ML's son from being stabbed by MN or helped attack masked assassins which his mom brought into Chen garden along with MN by opening the gate that divided the two compounds. 

MN killing ML's newborn son doesn't make sense at all since her son is no longer living and she cannot get GTY's properties without her son. ML was not involved or married to GTY when he banished MN from his house for her to take grudge at ML.  

The headgear was for third grade noble woman title. Everyone was thinking has she gone crazy because she was crying, then laughing, throwing away the headgear and saying idioms which are similar to saying "emperor discarded GTY after being used" in the middle of the street which most noble women won't do. 

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18 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

@minglan1 I thought ML was just frustrated because the empress refused the help her out. That's why she threw the headgear (just my speculation). But on that note, what is the significance of that headgear, is that her symbol of title as Marchioness? Because when she threw it out, everyone was calling her crazy?

What you mentioned can also be the reason for her hysterical laughter.Not sure on symbolism.Madam Wang also wore a headgear while petitioning as well as Madam Qin.Though the latter's one was different.

 

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4 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

GTY actually lost the Marquess title and thus ML also lost her noble title. She still wore her noble woman attire and went to struck the drum. The emperor ignored ML's request to have audience by beating the drum. He didn't give a darn even when QH, Huan Wang, General Shen, Duan and Geng petitioned. He drove QH out of the throne hall. I got that it is because of the plan emperor is not hearing her case to make ED believe. If that is the case and ML not being able to help GTY, what's the point of making GTY kill Aunty Kang, Wang family making a huge ruckus, bringing up old things like MN and Bai uncle (then Bai uncle getting killed), being imprisoned when he already has other serious crimes for being demoted and taken away his Marquess title like leaving his post (to help ML with grandma's poisoning) and defying imperial decree to come into the palace and not returning the military tiger token as soon as he came back. I understand they're trying to make everything more dramatic and want to kill off villains like Aunty Kang, Bai uncle, MN instead of them just being imprisoned and banished to the village. The writers probably also want to make stepmom having more attributed crimes. They could have just caught Aunty Kang trying to stab ML and her crime will be made known that Wang family has nothing to say about since Daniang wasn't involved like in grandma poisoning case. Stepmom accusing GTY of trying to kill his own brother by burning down his house wasn't important and included in GTY's sentencing decree anyways. Stepmom will be involved with letting bandits into the house and this crime will be more serious than housing Aunty Kang. However, all the ruckus of suing GTY is unnecessary and made the drama longer by nearly three episodes. By having those arguments and ruckus, I just want to laugh at flimsiness of the writing instead of feeling sympathy towards OTP 

 

Exactly. They had everything all ready to make the final track dramatic and exciting. GTY being demoted was also very easily possible without the ruckus, as the emperor, who had been playing stupid to lure in ED, could have made a big deal out of GTY leaving his post and defying the emperor's summons. It would have been completely logical as Emperor's favor is a very fickle thing. One misstep and you're out.

Catching Kang Aunt in the act would have been so much better. She probably would not have even denied it with how crazy she was.

Stepmom was about to step up her game with letting in the rebels and all...I see no need for her to create all that circus at the court.

All this nonsense of Bai family and Manniang.....I just want to erase those episodes.....most likely I won't ever watch them....or if I did watch...it'd be on mute and with lots of fast forwarding. :lol:

Even the whole ML begging the empress looked so unreal to me....I couldn't take it seriously at all. It looked like they were playing to the audience.

All of a sudden, I'm really appreciating the author of the book. She has a tendency to make me doze off sometimes but I'm going to be reading the book again with new eyes.:lol:

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Ming Lan, dressed in her full title attire as the wife of Marquis Gu, went to strike the drum requesting the audience with the emperor.

I like her hair piece and clothes. They made her look powerful. Too bad, her effort went in vain...
 

 

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So I was thinking about why GTY wants ML to lose her temper or show negative emotions to him and, while we see the benefit of her showing her less than perfect side, I can see a good reason for him to want to see it.  Both his Stepmonster and his evil ex showed him sweet faces for years.  His Momo, who has always been there for him tells him like it is.  ML also freely argued with him and gave him a talking to when he deserved it before they got married. As they have gotten closer, and ML is so supportive & sweet, I wonder whether part of him has been waiting for the shoe to drop. And what a relief when it does!

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25 minutes ago, pixiemouse said:

So I was thinking about why GTY wants ML to lose her temper or show negative emotions to him and, while we see the benefit of her showing her less than perfect side, I can see a good reason for him to want to see it.  Both his Stepmonster and his evil ex showed him sweet faces for years.  His Momo, who has always been there for him tells him like it is.  ML also freely argued with him and gave him a talking to when he deserved it before they got married. As they have gotten closer, and ML is so supportive & sweet, I wonder whether part of him has been waiting for the shoe to drop. And what a relief when it does!

True, it was such a relief for him when she eventually became the ML he saw before marriage who reprimanded his ego... 

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15 hours ago, minglan1 said:

We are splitting hairs trying to crack the plot :lol:.Gran and granddaughter are a lovely duo.I love their banter about love sickness when they miss each other.

Kitchen politics has moved to palace politicking.We should have a poll on  eve of ending- Who plots better the women or men?:P

 

A little a bit of both, although the women are well written/multifaceted much moreso than the men in TSoML. The writing for the men has been either alright or somewhat underwhelming, but I do very much love TY as a character.  The great thing about TSoML is that it puts women at the forefront in storytelling/narrative & continues to keep the show engaging. Even the most prickly characters are quite enjoyable to watch.

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