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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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8 minutes ago, Golden Flower said:

 

I think Maniang (MN) requested to become concubine and spend one night with GTY to get pregnant again...haha :P

 

That's the first thing I thought of as well.  If she does get pregnant, she'll have one more irrefutable claim on him and the entire length of the pregnancy to try and get back on his good side.  GTY won't fall for her charms again. 

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3 hours ago, m0us3y said:
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I loved her insight on that too. 

But it's also quite sad because we could see GTY was also quite sad. 

But it seemed the show indicated that she is the way she is because of the dad, as the maid pointed out that she seems to be talking about the dad instead. 

Good point about GTY should take note tho. Don't expect too much in return...

I do think you're right. They are both misunderstood, misaligned slightly. 

But it's still early days for them. They have a solid foundation to build on, so with time, trials and tribulations, they will get there...

 

Yes, because she grew up to see SH with a change of heart. Every man has their own predicament. Who knew that SH would fall in love with CL. Who knew that Big Madam will buy CW to try to balance SH love for CL. She saw how the days are like for Big Madam and she doesn’t want to live like her. 

Pretry much every man is like that in their time. They must share their love towards different woman. GTY, QH, And Rl’s Wen husband are one of the rare that only love their main wife... 

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On the scene where Gu Ting Ye beg leniency for his brother and cousins that he will also accept the same punishment in the share of whipping and even exile, did you see the worry look in Qi Heng's face?

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3 hours ago, bulubulu said:

What GTY and that girl MN doing for their night???? 

What else, must you ask? LOL

 

MN is very sleazy.. glad it ws only a plot by GTY, then again who knows what may happen behind closed curtain.

 

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45th episode:

The bath scene, ml found traces of blood on gty's shirt. Really worried and speedily check her hubb's body for wounds.Then stopped the husband from taking bath bcoz of the house was not perfectly seal, afraid gty will catch cold.. This little scene concerned are the evidence that she has soften towards him a lot.. Gty just have to be patience, cultivate the relationship. Love will not be far in the future. 

The same episode, he was teasing her about a story of a man who has an illicit affairs. The wife found out and plot a revenge vs the hubby and put a little herbs in the hubby's foods called "spring grass". Gty said that if i do the same, you can use the same on me. My life in your hands.. The jokes is, the spring grass herbs actually is an approdiasic (ha ha.. The woman's hubby maybe died because overexertion, not becoz of poison):D

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Sometimes Even the best noblest men are weak when a beautiful insistent crafty woman they have history with is trying to seduce them. And he is used to having an active sex life. Just saying.

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On 1/23/2019 at 2:11 AM, dito said:

I guess he was upset because it started raining and ML didn't think about sending a servant with umbrella for GTY. To a husband that'd feel like the wife doesn't care about him. 

She did send him an umbrella with a servant.  It is just that he cannot use umbrella while riding on horse.

 

@m0us3y @fra8

For those wandering the answer GTY wanted from ML after he caught rain, I think it might just be an oversight/ mistake on dialogues between GTY and ML. In the book, the answer GTY wanted ML to say was "I will come to pick you up at the palace gate in horse carriage". Since ML already told him she would pick him up in carriage next time it rains, I'm not sure what else GTY could be expecting. Then, he let her hug him by lying down on her thighs and kiss her. So, it might be a script error :D or writers just wanna create little lover spat between them. :D :P 

 

11 hours ago, Jackie1048 said:

On the scene where Gu Ting Ye beg leniency for his brother and cousins that he will also accept thecsame punishment in the share of whipping and even exile, did you see the worry look in Qi Heng's face. 

 

I think it was more like "can't believe" look, not with bad intentions. In the preview, when his wife asked him about GTY's leniency request, he explained to his wife the emperor was trying to punish Gu brothers just an example for others involve in rebellion. QH doesn't seem to be ill-intended. He just seems to be analyzing from a middle person point of view. After his explanation, he then told his wife not to involve in political discussion as it is not women's place to involve in politics. 

I don't know he will be on empress dowager's side in the future as ML mentioned in today's episode that her father told her Qi family is on empress dowager's side as ED gives favor to Yong Wang's sons and grandchildren, QH was married to YW's daughter before and QH's father used to work with ED's older brother. However, so far, QH seems to be just doing his job.  

Also, in today's episode, it was shown that QH's wife didn't go to Gu's house to telltale on ML. It was 5th aunt going to Qi house to bribe the wife for her son. QH's wife then conveniently told the aunt about ML's former association with He family. That was before she found the clay dolls pair. I hope like in the book,she won't do anything more drastic.

 

 

Translation (A few scenes are overlapped between previews).

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GTY:  emperor, please forgive me (Huan wang standing on the side). I needed to help protect Gu's brothers in order to erase bad names created for my biological mother Bai shi by Gu family, to get her praised in Gu family ancestor's records as well as to get her noble women title. 

Xiang Mama: Thank you.

Guard: We wish we do not need to see Gu brother again.(wishing for him not getting arrested again)

Xmm:Thanks for your kind words. Hope so too.

step-mom: Ting wei: got beaten?

QH: A couple of days before, GTY requested leniency for Gu brothers at the imperial court (in an elaborate manner, not in private). Emperor was trying to punish Gu brothers just as an example for others who involved in rebellion (idiom used here: killing chickens to show to monkey). However, since GTY asking for leniency like this, emperor has to give face to GTY who has been helping him/ great relationship with him even before becoming emperor. 

[continuation of this conversation below is in different preview:

QH: Giving this favor by granting GTY's request cause potential harm to the emperor, giving a strike (negative) for him in empress dowager's book being able to catch as one of his wrong doing. 

QH's wife: No wonder we didn't see GTY couple at his oldest brother funeral parlor (I guess oldest brother already passed away). I'm afraid they're hiding inside the house being afraid and pissed.

QH: This is imperial political discussion. It is not women's place to involve in politics.

QH wife: Looking at him, I guess my lord husband is still not being able to forget Sheng daniang zi (ML).]

GTY: We aren't related, why're you calling me second uncle like Ranluo (as we know, QH's mother and GTY are distant cousins, so GTY is QH's distant uncle). WHy aren't you follow CB and call me second lan (brother) 

MN: Gu Lan, don't you no longer want our children.

GTY: Where is my son Chan'er?

MN: If Gu Lan accepts me as concubine and my name is recorded in ancestry book, you will eventually see Chan'er. 

 

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45 minutes ago, RobinM said:

Sometimes Even the best noblest men are weak when a beautiful insistent crafty woman they have history with is trying to seduce them. And he is used to having an active sex life. Just saying.

*Ahem* I thought he still is enjoying a pretty healthy one with his lil fox ML? 

With all the mattress and blanket cleaning shown. :lol:

Also during those days, the man of his status normally has his own bedroom? Just wondering, cuz clearly he's in her bedroom every night, and we see ML helping him get ready in the morning. :lol::rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, RobinM said:

Sometimes Even the best noblest men are weak when a beautiful insistent crafty woman they have history with is trying to seduce them. And he is used to having an active sex life. Just saying.

I dunno, seems he just resumes his active sex life with ml.. No need mn:lol:

@m0us3y u beat me.. Ha ha

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33 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Also during those days, the man of his status normally has his own bedroom? Just wondering, cuz clearly he's in her bedroom every night, and we see ML helping him get ready in the morning. :lol::rolleyes:

In ancient China, male head of household shared the bedroom with big madam. He didn't have his own bedroom. If he had a row with his wife and concubines and didn't want to see them, he could retreat to his study and slept there. That's what GTY did in the novel.

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9 hours ago, bulubulu said:

What i didnt like is when ML says something like that she must treat GTY like he's him ( her dad ). GTY and her dad are completely different person. Not all men are the same but yea i understand why ML is like this but its still upsetting.

Anyone can correct me here but. What if Ming Lan treats him like this because she already cares for him. I can’t remember who said that Ming Lan doesn’t hate her father ( At the time i felt that she does hate him but this comment made some good point on why she think ML loves her dad). So if she choose to treat him that way must be because she does care and is just too afraid of giving her heart completely from fear of being disappointing because it can break her. Yes GTY and Sheng Hong are completely different but For ML emotionally they are the same betof her feeling for them. Does this make sense??

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Ming Lan had said several times that she wished that her father was more like Gu Ting Ye who obvious love for his children is displayed on his sleeves. She even said in the next life she wished to be Gu Ting Ye's child.

 

In the Old Maquis letter, he wrote that Lady Bai's dowry which is what the whole Gu Family is living on must be return to Gu Ting Ye. That will mean the Gu family will  be an empty shell.

 

That is why Older Brother aligned himself with Gu Ting Ye giving both money and title to ensure his wife and daughter's future as he knew that Gu Ting Ye will take care of his family.

 

It was worth watching that fake mask of the Stepmother coming undone.

 

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34 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

Anyone can correct me here but. What if Ming Lan treats him like this because she already cares for him. I can’t remember who said that Ming Lan doesn’t hate her father ( At rhe time i felt that she does hate him but this comment made some good point on why she think ML loves her dad). So if she choose to treat him that way must because she does care and is just too afraid of him really disappointing her because it can break her. Yes GTY and Sheng Hong are completely different but For ML emotionally they are the sane6. Does this make sense??

I believe she do care for him... 

She just treats him the way she does because it is the way she knows how to. She is clear minded and have her own values... Not every couple hold the same beliefs so they will need to work on understanding each other deeper. And GTY to not play mind games and tell her straight what he wants/needs. Learn to compromise along the way. Give and take.

 

 

57 minutes ago, matrim said:

In ancient China, male head of household shared the bedroom with big madam. He didn't have his own bedroom. If he had a row with his wife and concubines and didn't want to see them, he could retreat to his study and slept there. That's what GTY did in the novel.

So is it just the emperor that have his own room? 

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2 hours ago, Golden Flower said:

 

I don't know he will be on empress dowager's side in the future as ML mentioned in today's episode that her father told her Qi family is on empress dowager's side as ED gives favor to Yong Wang sons and grandchildren, QH was married to YW's daughter before and QH's father used to work with ED's older brother. However, so far, QH seems to be just doing his job.  

 

Er..Yong Wang who who tried to kill the former Emperor (her husband )? I guess in politics its true, there are no permanent enemies, only permanent interests. 

 

That Qi family seems to schmooze up to anyone in power. No wonder it has lost prestige over the years.

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4 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

So is it just the emperor that have his own room? 

Yes, emperor has his own living quarter where the audience hall and his office is located. In forbidden city (imperial palace for Ming and Qing dynasties), emperor's living quarter is in Palace of Heavenly Purity () which is located at the very front of (southernmost part of) the back palace. He not only has one room but there are 9 rooms on two levels with 27 beds which emperor can choose randomly for security purpose. Starting from YongZheng emperor, Palace of Heavenly Purity was only used as Emperor's audience hall, where he held court, received ministers and emissaries, and held banquets. Yongzheng and emperors after him lived in Yan Xing Tian (Hall of Mental Cultivation), located in west of Palace of Heavenly Purity. His office/ study is in front and he slept in the back hall of Hall of Mental Cultivation. I guess it is similar to male head of household sleeping in study but for emperors, the study hall is larger and can be divided into many rooms (front, back, east and west).  

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1 hour ago, UnniSarah said:

Anyone can correct me here but. What if Ming Lan treats him like this because she already cares for him. I can’t remember who said that Ming Lan doesn’t hate her father ( At rhe time i felt that she does hate him but this comment made some good point on why she think ML loves her dad). So if she choose to treat him that way must because she does care and is just too afraid of him really disappointing her because it can break her. Yes GTY and Sheng Hong are completely different but For ML emotionally they are the sane6. Does this make sense??

 

I have to agree with what you mentioned above ^ I think she has been burned and disappointed by the ones she placed hope into so many times. This is in relation to SH failing to bring justice to her mother's death, QH's failed promises with marriage and even a bit of the doctor's situation. I think the first two were the massive influences on her mindset now since, in an earlier episode, grandma reprimanded ML for continuing to place hopes in QH but ML was resolute in saying that she would fight for QH because he was doing all he can do be with her (though we know that failed...:sweatingbullets:). That was the second time she opened up her barrier (?) and she just got burned. Even though many of the characters have been betrayed/disappointed e.g. GTY with his step-mother and MN., everyone reacts differently to their circumstances and this happens to be the way ML wants to protect herself emotionally with a barrier. She does care for him but it's still withdrawn. Thus, she has become quite resigned, pragmatic and unwilling to put her entire faith in GTY which kind of prevents her from living the happiest she could be. GTY even mentions to himself after eavesdropping to ML's conversation with her maids, what can he do for her to trust him... And I think these actions are going to be the foundation to the fight she and GTY will have in the future as mentioned in the book. However, I think this particular fight will be good as it will better develop ML's character in my opinion. Anyways, I have to catch up on a lot of the posts here :w00t:

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1 minute ago, lilkat75 said:

 

I have to agree with what you mentioned above ^ I think she has been burned and disappointed by the ones she placed hope into so many times. This is in relation to SH failing to bring justice to her mother's death, QH's failed promises with marriage and even a bit of the doctor's situation. I think the first two were the massive influences on her mindset now since, in an earlier episode, grandma reprimanded ML for continuing to place hopes in QH but ML was resolute in saying that she would fight for QH because he was doing all he can do be with her (though we know that failed...:sweatingbullets:). That was the second time she opened up her barrier (?) and she just got burned. Even though many of the characters have been betrayed/disappointed e.g. GTY with his step-mother and MN., everyone reacts differently to their circumstances and this happens to be the way ML wants to protect herself emotionally with a barrier. She does care for him but it's still withdrawn. Thus, she has become quite resigned, pragmatic and unwilling to put her entire faith in GTY which kind of prevents her from living the happiest she could be. GTY even mentions to himself after eavesdropping to ML's conversation with her maids, what can he do for her to trust him... And I think these actions are going to be the foundation to the fight she and GTY will have in the future as mentioned in the book. However, I think this particular fight will be good as it will better develop ML's character in my opinion. Anyways, I have to catch up on a lot of the posts here :w00t:

Sh watch ep 45. How ml worried about gty getting hurt and catch cold. 

 

3 hours ago, leeza77 said:

45th episode:

The bath scene, ml found traces of blood on gty's shirt. Really worried and speedily check her hubb's body for wounds.Then stopped the husband from taking bath bcoz of the house was not perfectly seal, afraid gty will catch cold.. This little scene concerned are the evidence that she has soften towards him a lot.. Gty just have to be patience, cultivate the relationship. Love will not be far in the future. 

The same episode, he was teasing her about a story of a man who has an illicit affairs. The wife found out and plot a revenge vs the hubby and put a little herbs in the hubby's foods called "spring grass". Gty said that if i do the same, you can use the same on me. My life in your hands.. The jokes is, the spring grass herbs actually is an approdiasic (ha ha.. The woman's hubby maybe died because overexertion, not becoz of poison):D

 

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@bulubulu@UnniSarah @m0us3y @leeza77 @lilkat75 @cherubstomato

I was confused on why you guys were comparing GTY and SH. I couldn't recall that they were compared in any of ML's conversation with her maids. I then remembered there is one conversation GTY overheard and I just check viki's sub for epi 44. Now, I know where you guys get it from. Viki's translators translate东家 here as Mr. Sheng.  I'm not sure whether Dong Jia (东家) referred by Suiwei here means ML's father SH. I need to wait and compare with the subs from youtube when it comes out (Note: I didn't mean to criticize translators. They have been doing a tremendous job for us international viewers, almost catching up to today's episodes). When I watched that conversation, I just took it as Suiwei was saying ML seemed to be talking about her boss (someone who gives her money) rather than her husband. ML then responded saying yes, we need to treat him like the boss respectfully and cautiously. Thus, I don't see any reason for ML to be comparing GTY with her father in that conversation. She did compare GTY with SH when she was talking about his children. 

I might be wrong and the writers are really referring to SH... :D :D :D 

 

9 hours ago, mooose said:

Er..Yong Wang who who tried to kill the former Emperor (her husband )? I guess in politics its true, there are no permanent enemies, only permanent interests. 

 

That Qi family seems to schmooze up to anyone in power. No wonder it has lost prestige over the years.

No. The one that tried to kill the former old emperor was Yan Wang. Yan Wang was the one supported by Rong Fei.  Yong Wang was the one designated as crown prince by former emperor. He is QH's father-in-law. Since Yong Wang was designated as crown prince (not clear whether the announcement has been made but it was expected he will be designated as emperor gave him the task to worship the ancestors on behalf of him which is usually the job for heir), QH's gave up ML and married his daughter, Jiacheng princess, as he was sure that Yong Wang can harm ML and her family now or in the future when he became emperor. Yan Wang then usurped the throne with the help of Rong Fei when he realized he wouldn't become heir to the throne. Yan Wang killed Yong Wang, his wife, some of his sons and daughter in front of QH's mom princess. 

QH's mother is like empress dowager's adopted daughter. She lived at the empress' palace after she was given princess title. It was the empress (empress dowager now) whom she begged to help for her husband's release when he didn't come home after visiting Yong Wang's house. So, Qi family has connection to Empress dowager through QH's mom, QH's ex-wife and QH's dad (via ED's older brother).

 

 

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@leeza77 I know ML deeply cares about GTY :wub: and they have plenty of cute and deep moments with each other. Just like how ML looks up to GTY and had wished SH has been more like him. However, I still think ML keeps a barrier to protect herself. 

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