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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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33 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

 

@matrim  With SH character you need to read between the lines.. Outside the hime and to the public he's a good person inside the home he's the worst person ever.. If you think about it he's no different then GTY evil step mom both always trying tio save there faces and that they do no wrong..

I don't think it's fair to compare SH with GTY's stepmother. Both had a good public image, but the similarity stops there. The basic difference between them is SH cared for the family honor and GTY's stepmother cared for her son's prospects. As long as her son got the marquis title, she wouldn't hesitate to kill anyone, or to use any devious means to achieve this. 

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56 minutes ago, matrim said:

I think subconsciously, ML might still resent GTY's trickery in getting her. That's maybe part of the reason she didn't trust him completely. As a Shu daughter she experienced all those adversities which taught her to be cautious and not expect too much. She loved GTY with her mind, not her whole heart. It's neither her fault nor his, as they spent too short a time together to really know each other. They needed to face hardships together to deepen their mutual understanding and overcome the emotional barrier.      

I do wonder. 

I actually felt she does love him with her heart.

We see her concern for him. See how happy she is with him. 

We see how she's actually capable of acting like a child, being petulant and all with him...

But her mind wouldn't trust him fully knowing full well that she has everything to lose...

 

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3 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

I do wonder. 

I actually felt she does love him with her heart.

We see her concern for him. See how happy she is with him. 

We see how she's actually capable of acting like a child, being petulant and all with him...

But her mind wouldn't trust him fully knowing full well that she has everything to lose...

 

That's why I use "subconsciously". ML felt she loved GTY as you said, but deep down she held something back, as was felt by GTY. She was still guarded somewhat, the proof that she didn't trust GTY 100%.  

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I haven't watched the episodes but from reading the comments and watching the previews it seems GTYs brother is tired of all the stress and fighting. He knows how the stepmom operates. He can't trust her. 

He also knows GTY most likely doesn't care for the title and only wants it to pissoff the step mom. Maybe he thought his wife and daughter may have a better future if he willingly gives up the title and GTY inherits.

And about asking GTY to divorce ML... I'm just guessing but maybe GTYs brother is telling him to divorce ML because otherwise she will face non stop attacks from stepmom all her life. And GTY won't always be there to protect her. 

GTYs brother really has no idea that ML is no ordinary woman and what kind of efforts GTY has taken to marry her.

 

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I did not know pissoff is a swear word:lol:

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6 hours ago, doubleicon said:

This is why I can't like Qh he is always directly or indirectly causing harm to Minglan. Instead of throwing away the dolls like he should, he kept them. Now his wife has found them and she tried to make trouble for Minglan. Jeez dude. I really wish his role was like that in the books. I have grown very tired of QH.

The most worst characters are those that blame others for their actions... I believe everyone has a past and QH keeping those dolls for memories shouldn’t be his fault why the wife decides to be evil. He treats his wife well yet she can’t even give him that little doll just for keepsake. She should cherish and live for the present. But no she becomes a crazy obsessed jealous person. Unless QH keeps whispering ML name at night or keep thinking of her and what not or staring at ML in front of his wife. She shouldn’t be jealous over those dolls... 

 

@matrim Did SH really wanted to kill RL for reals? After the double shock of Molan and RL with their lovers. Lol I feel like they all spout stuff like I’m going to kill beat you to death as an exaggeration that they are super pissed but they don’t actually kill them. Lol he said it so many times even Big Madam but they don’t kill it. The only one killed aside from the maids was CL but of course she died because of no medical treatment. 

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She is pretty damaged and jaded  plus has significant trust issues from her childhood and having to hide her true nature, feelings, wants  Etc. to survive for 20(?) years.  To be honest GTY and maybe granny are the only not in need of heavy therapy ( and possibly Prozac)in the drama LOL

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2 minutes ago, matrim said:

That's why I use "subconsciously". ML felt she loved GTY as you said, but deep down she held something back, as was felt by GTY. She was still guarded somewhat, the proof that she didn't trust GTY 100%.  

Given ML's track record with the others who have tried to win her heart and her feelings towards her own father... the accumulated pain and disappointment has taken a toll on her fragile being. For the first time, she sees things in GTY that she had so desperately wanted to see in the men that were in her life before marriage. Now that "it's" in her hands and staring her right in the face... it's a miracle she hasn't run away already. 

12 minutes ago, dito said:

I haven't watched the episodes but from reading the comments and watching the previews it seems GTYs brother is tired of all the stress and fighting. He knows how the stepmom operates. He can't trust her. 

He also knows GTY most likely doesn't care for the title and only wants it to richard simmons off the step mom. Maybe he thought his wife and daughter may have a better future if he willingly gives up the title and GTY inherits.

And about asking GTY to divorce ML... I'm just guessing but maybe GTYs brother is telling him to divorce ML because otherwise she will face non stop attacks from stepmom all her life. And GTY won't always be there to protect her. 

GTYs brother really has no idea that ML is no ordinary woman and what kind of efforts GTY has taken to marry her.

What episode is this please?

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1 hour ago, leeza77 said:
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Protect his wife from what or whom? 

 

@leeza77  It would be from Evil Big Mdm.. Brothers wife holds the position to name the next marquis not big Mdm, Being tghat her husband holds the currebnt title.. Evil Mdm need both sons dead or big brother past the title over to lil brother..    

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4 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

 

@matrim Did SH really wanted to kill RL for reals? After the double shock of Molan and RL with their lovers. Lol I feel like they all spout stuff like I’m going to kill beat you to death as an exaggeration that they are super pissed but they don’t actually kill them. Lol he said it so many times even Big Madam but they don’t kill it. The only one killed aside from the maids was CL but of course she died because of no medical treatment. 

I think for a moment of madness SH really wanted to kill RL. Otherwise he wouldn't hold the white cloth, it's not just an act to scare RL. He knew very well the serious implication of this, causing GTY, a new elite favored by the emperor to lose face, and to make things worse, slapping the emperor's face indirectly as the proposal was approved by the emperor. This could mean the ruin of whole household, a life and death matter. In the novel SH really attempted to kill RL, and later when ML went to see her, she could spot the red mark on RL's neck.

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3 minutes ago, shem1 said:

Given ML's track record with the others who have tried to win her heart and her feelings towards her own father... the accumulated pain and disappointment has taken a toll on her fragile being. For the first time, she sees things in GTY that she had so desperately wanted to see in the men that were in her life before marriage. Now that "it's" in her hands and staring her right in the face... it's a miracle she hasn't run away already. 

What episode is this please?

That`s right.But why can`t she fully trust him.I think she cant compare GTY with her father.they`re totally different!!!.but also in her head she didn`t know any men expect her father so she is like that with GTY.she like that he cares for his children that`s why she said i hoped my father with like you!!

I think that she is afraid that one day GTY will have a concubine and that`s why she can`t fully give her heart and open her heart to him yet.right? she`s afraid of being disappointment and having pain when that day come..right?

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2 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

@leeza77  It would be from Evil Big Mdm.. Brothers wife holds the position to name the next marquis not big Mdm, Being tghat her husband holds the currebnt title.. Evil Mdm need both sons dead or big brother past the title over to lil brother..    

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But why he suggested gty to divorce ml? And how come the wife of the brother has the right to pass the title. The title supposed to go to the closest male descendent upon the death of  the brother, which is gty. 

 

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3 minutes ago, matrim said:

I think for a moment of madness SH really wanted to kill RL. Otherwise he wouldn't hold the white cloth, it's not just an act to scare RL. He knew very well the serious implication of this, causing GTY, a new elite favored by the emperor to lose face, and to make things worse, slapping the emperor's face indirectly as the proposal was approved by the emperor. This could mean the ruin of whole household, a life and death matter. In the novel SH really attempted to kill RL, and later when ML went to see her, she could spot the red mark on RL's neck.

Yes, you’re right. I’ve read too many Chinese manhua and watch historical drama haha to know this is true. It’s a serious matter. They would slay the whole entire Sheng clan for not following emperors orders/edict of marriage. GTY really evil. Lol 

 

@shem1 I don’t think ML is fragile. 

@danatepe Relax.... ML and GTY just got married. It takes time to build trust. As long as they both not keep anything from each other and have good communication. She will trust him. Even GTY can’t trust anybody. He even told ML the few people he can only trust in the manor. 

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2 minutes ago, danatepe said:

That`s right.But why can`t she fully trust him.I think she cant compare GTY with her father.they`re totally different!!!.but also in her head she didn`t know any men expect her father so she is like that with GTY.she like that he cares for his children that`s why she said i hoped my father with like you!!

I think that she is afraid that one day GTY will have a concubine and that`s why she can`t fully give her heart and open her heart to him yet.right? she`s afraid of being disappointment and having pain when that day come..right?

When the concubine issue started to come up (like a day after their wedding) you could sense that ML was VERY uncomfortable. I understand that it was a "common" thing back then to have the main wife and all others, but a woman in "those days" is the same as the woman "today"... one man- one woman...I mean like it would take some EXTREME self-control to not be hurt or jealous that there is another woman who is waiting for your man in another room (and that it's OKAY).....as the topic of concubine became like an ongoing thing for her "elders" to try and force her to accept--- I can't help but feel that although she is all smiling and happy and saying things like " as long as it is someone I can get along with- I'll accept her" ---- that deep down ML is about to explode with jealousy and she has all the right to feel that way. She hasn't even had her General to herself and here people were trying to make her share =D

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15 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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But why he suggested gty to divorce ml? And how come the wife of the brother has the right to pass the title. The title supposed to go to the closest male descendent upon the death of  the brother, which is gty. 

 

Elder brother might be using it as a  negotiating tactic with GTY.He knows step mom and GTY both want the title.He thinks his family's  future will be more secure with GTY, so he is dangling the carrot (Marquis title) in exchange for marriage.

 

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There is alot to cover in the drama, so i hope her pregnancy will happen soon.

 

 

 

@RobinM I think ML is supposed to be around 16 years old.

 

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She knows all to well the Drama and shame and chaos an unruly concubine can Bring to a house, especially if they have children.  

 

@LunkeraI think a few years have passed in the show. After the time skip She was 15. 

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9 hours ago, sava2sava said:

@leeza77 My guess he wants his wife a child protected and wife still to carry the title of his,, He got a lot of nerve. Why should he become Father to his niece.. I'm sure GTY and ML would see to it that she marries well.. Some widows were sent back to there family homes back then so she could re-marry out and yet she's trying to cling on to her title.. I don't know who is the worst her or evil Mdm.. She was so worried about GTY taking her husbands title when it was his to begin with.. Now to marry the same brother she help plot against not thinking ahead when her husband past what kind of safety net she or her husband has in plan for them.. GTY should them both to kick cans.. How dare they suggest to divorce his wife unbelievable.. It's sounds to me that his wife is and opportunist use the title to force him to divorce and she gets to keep her position.. Why even stay with the GU's when she don't have a son any way.. This is the time to run to the border away from all this crazy mess but yet she wants to stay because of a title get real will ya.. I wouldn't be suprised if step mom had those servants feeding her something that may have caused her not to get pregnant ever again.. 

@ForgottenSoulx  She found those dolls that QH had for him and ML.. Both initials or nanes were on the very bottom of the porcelin dolls which he had pck away very nicely..

 

She tattled about Dr.He though so how does that have to do with the doll's, i meant how did she find out about Dr.He.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

Elder brother might be using it as a  negotiating tactic with GTY.He knows step mom and GTY both want the title.He thinks his family's  future will be more secure with GTY, so he is dangling the carrot (Marquis title) in exchange for marriage.

 

Do you mean in exchange of divorcing ml..? 

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23 minutes ago, shem1 said:

When the concubine issue started to come up (like a day after their wedding) you could sense that ML was VERY uncomfortable. I understand that it was a "common" thing back then to have the main wife and all others, but a woman in "those days" is the same as the woman "today"... one man- one woman...I mean like it would take some EXTREME self-control to not be hurt or jealous that there is another woman who is waiting for your man in another room (and that it's OKAY).....as the topic of concubine became like an ongoing thing for her "elders" to try and force her to accept--- I can't help but feel that although she is all smiling and happy and saying things like " as long as it is someone I can get along with- I'll accept her" ---- that deep down ML is about to explode with jealousy and she has all the right to feel that way. She hasn't even had her General to herself and here people were trying to make her share =D

I feel that too. she always try to hide her true feeling.her really honest feeling that she want to tell to GTY.that`s why she always agree to a lot of things that goes around him.don`t want to make things more complicated.that`s shown exactly is her conversations.it made him doubt that she can`t trust him.

well.to think about it.it makes right that GTY will be mad and fight with her about that as it shown in the trailers.

Can`t wait till when she totally open her heart to him.Feel like GTY what he needs more is real love not care.he deserve some.

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39 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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But why he suggested gty to divorce ml? And how come the wife of the brother has the right to pass the title. The title supposed to go to the closest male descendent upon the death of  the brother, which is gty. 

 

She doesn’t have the right to pass the title. If he wants GTY to marry his wife after he passes, it would be to maintain her and daughter’s status as wife/daughter of Marquis  That would be a way to protect her and probably assuage his guilt that she’ll be widowed young with no son. It would also kind of serve as revenge/reparation for his mom being divorced from his dad so that his dad can marry GTY’s mom for the money.  Maybe when episode airs, it will show that the teaser is just giving us the wrong context and that there is something else behind it like relieving ML of the craziness of their stepmom since he knew Stepmom has been after ML and it will be worse once GTY is Marquis. ML and any wife or future heir will be targets. Those are the only reasons I can see why he would even attempt to ask GTY to separate from ML. The craziness of their stepmom makes me wonder if she hasn’t been aiding in speeding up the brother’s illness and death. 

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