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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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7 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

I just finished seeing episode 41 with subs & I can see how GTY can become insecure. She told him that if in the future he takes in concubines she will live with them in harmony as long as they are good people. You can see the disappointment on his face. In the TV version episode 44 he overheard her telling her maids that she won’t expect any more from him & his facial expression then was the same. I don’t blame ML for saying this & for guarding herself but all of this is going to make him more insecure

 

The honeymoon episodes are kinda bittersweet. He is so into her, like a puppy bouncing with affection, protection and possessiveness and she is like this passive recepient giving only mild reciprocation. He is so desperate for some real emotion from her - jealousy, possessiveness, spontaneity etc and so joyful to just gets glimpses of it.

 

They have talked about all issues - financial, career, children but didn't talk about concubines? Given her dissapointment with her father, QH and Dr He, I can totally understand why she is so cynical even if GTY does make promises.

 

What do you guys think about Grandma's advice? I thought ML was beginning to melt to GTY and then her father and Grandma hardened her again on that trip home. 

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3 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

In episode 42, Minglan & her maids ruled

@darkphoenix123  Yes they did. Even the head maid after taking orders from Evil Step mom was brought down to her knees.. ML showed they house maids that she can't have any dummies in the main court yard.. Had her maids taking resumes on all of them to check they family background.. She crack me up when she told them I don't know if you were sent here to helpo me or become one of my ancestors.. 

She was telling those old witches that sending your trollups here won't work here.. 

 

Maybe she should have send that Hong Girl to Molans husband he likes having a lot of concubines.. 

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10 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

The honeymoon episodes are kinda bittersweet. He is so into her, like a puppy bouncing with affection, protection and possessiveness and she is like this passive recepient giving only mild reciprocation. He is so desperate for some real emotion from her - jealousy, possessiveness, spontaneity etc and so joyful to just gets glimpses of it.

 

They have talked about all issues - financial, career, children but didn't talk about concubines? Given her dissapointment with her father, QH and Dr He, I can totally understand why she is so cynical even if GTY does make promises.

 

What do you guys think about Grandma's advice? I thought ML was beginning to melt to GTY and then her father and Grandma hardened her again on that trip home. 

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Grandma's advise us based on her experience and she didn't know the real gty (he might be the one and only male in bianjing refused to take concubine and love to petting his wife). Thus, it was appropriate. Ml can take the advise, judge the husband base on her real experience with him. They were married for 3 days at that time.. It's reasonable for her to be cautious and careful in her dealing with gty. 

 

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I'm with @ForgottenSoulx and @sava2sava on SH. 

I don't necessarily think he's a bad person. He's probably a good official, and a good "ambassador" of Sheng, taking care of the family honor and all. 

But he was never a good father. 

 

When ML's mom passed, he didn't do anything. 

We can put that to no evidence. But clearly he would know that it is at those times ML is most vulnerable and needed her dad the most? He was never there..

 

During the first incident where the girls crashed into the outer courtyard, he chose to punish RL and ML, favouring Molan although ML also spoke and said it was MoLan's fault - favouritism. Unjust. 

 

During both the incident with MoLan's scandal and Rulan's scandal, he had no issues sacrificing ML. 

 

He only commented that ML is a good child because she has never given him trouble, and has helped him avoid MoLan's trouble early on. Molan gotaway pretty easy for hurting ML. 

 

And I'm not sure if that's what ML wanted. You can see there were occasions what she showed disappointment with the dad. 

She even told GTY if only her dad was like him, then perhaps she wouldn't be suffering in silence all these years. 

Had the dad dotes on her, perhaps she didn't need to live as the "flawless" sixth miss of sheng, playing dumb and always in daze. Because if she gets into trouble, the dad would help. But she had to because she knows the dad would not take her side when things go wrong. 

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Omg that fish scene was so damn cute either they go eat or GTY has some fun with ML so she decides to go eat fish instead. I love how she handled the servants sent by the others such a clever way to deal with them, if they make one mistake they are basically gone. 

 

Also i love that ML has like two trusted maids by her side who are both bad richard simmons especially the elder one doing all the talking today.

 

25 minutes ago, sava2sava said:

@darkphoenix123  Yes they did. Even the head maid after taking orders from Evil Step mom was brought down to her knees.. ML showed they house maids that she can't have any dummies in the main court yard.. Had her maids taking resumes on all of them to check they family background.. She crack me up when she told them I don't know if you were sent here to helpo me or become one of my ancestors.. 

She was telling those old witches that sending your trollups here won't work here.. 

 

Maybe she should have send that Hong Girl to Molans husband he likes having a lot of concubines.. 


For some reason even though Molan's husband is a guy who just sleep's with anyone i still somewhat like him lmfao.

 

26 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

The honeymoon episodes are kinda bittersweet. He is so into her, like a puppy bouncing with affection, protection and possessiveness and she is like this passive recepient giving only mild reciprocation. He is so desperate for some real emotion from her - jealousy, possessiveness, spontaneity etc and so joyful to just gets glimpses of it.

 

They have talked about all issues - financial, career, children but didn't talk about concubines? Given her dissapointment with her father, QH and Dr He, I can totally understand why she is so cynical even if GTY does make promises.

 

What do you guys think about Grandma's advice? I thought ML was beginning to melt to GTY and then her father and Grandma hardened her again on that trip home. 

 

I thought what the grandma and SH both said did make some sense , first time i agreed with SH somewhat i do think that they were a bit to grand and showy and was not really needed. The grandma also knows from experience and knowledge and did not know GTY's true character so i think what she said was wise. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

QH was saying he wants to save ML to someone, in one of the trailer? He mentioned something along the line of "when I should have explained, I didn't. When I should have ....(I didn't understand), I also didn't. So can't I save her for once?" 

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If that’s the case, I hope it brings some closure for QH. Because I think that fire is set when ML’s vulnerable after giving birth. I don’t know if QH was there for that part in the novel unless the spoilers just left him out. 

 

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38 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

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Nah i think they regain it and then that happens at the very end, most likely GTY was sent to defend the border.. not exactly a punishment or anything and is a big task and would take years so he brings ML along with him? that is what i guess. 

 

 

 Even though that is a little weird its quite nice as well its hard to explain.. 

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The marriage surprised many people in CB's household. Only a few, QH, CB and CB's wife knew what it was all about. When QH saw the little girl for the first time, he decided to marry her to his grandson, but CB didn't agree then for fear of ruining the life of old friend's descendant. Only when he made sure the girl was of simple and kind nature did he say yes to the marriage. 

 

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3 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

 SH is selfish to a point. He of course acts for the family's benefit, but he also did things that would harm the family's reputation on his own interest. For example he favored Lin and let her take control, overpowering Daniang, which is a very disgrace thing in a family with status. Reason was he felt threatened by Daniang, who was from a higher status than himself, and she was stubborn and did not know how to pamper him.

 

Just wondering if it revealed why he let Lin take over the household initially? 

 

I agree SH is a deliciously flawed man of his time. To let Lin take over the house and give her properties so she can have some independent wealth was not without reason. My guess is he was worried if anything happened to him and Da Niang wanted to separate, his shu son would be heavily disadvantaged.  He knew this from experience where he would have got little to nothing in the separation if Grandma hadn't adopted him and fought for his share.

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5 minutes ago, hello210 said:
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If that’s the case, I hope it brings some closer for him. Because I think that fire is set when she’s vulnerable after giving birth. 

 

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Sh maybe right it was showy but he could have said it more delicately abd nit harshly. Beside, he sh have told that to general gu, and not to ml

 

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10 minutes ago, matrim said:
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The marriage surprised many people in CB's household. Only a few, QH, CB and CB's wife knew what it was all about. When QH saw the little girl for the first time, he decided to marry her to his grandson, but CB didn't agree then for fear of ruining the life of old friend's descendant. Only when he made sure the girl was of simple and kind nature did he say yes to the marriage. 

 

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About this part what do you mean im confused? whose life would be ruined. It is a little weird but still somewhat cute its hard to explain. It would be hard for me to see CB thinking that way at-least the show version of CB. I wont mind if they cut all this out though. 

 

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Episode 41.

The dynamics between GTY and ML as a married couple had me grinning to the back of my head, I fear my my face would fall off. :D  They are beyond cute and it is refreshing to see ML act a bit spoiled in front of GTY and GTY spoiling his wife. And his laugh when he teases her. 

When ML said that she didn’t mind GTY to have a concubine as long as she is a good person and can live harmoniously, his reaction wasn’t that of disappointment imo. It is the same as when ML told granny that she fears she can’t bare or don’t know how to repay the goodness GTY would give/be for her. I believe GTY holds the same sentiment. 

 

Episode 42.

That auntie Kang looks like a real richard simmons. Too bad for Big Madam that she will meet her demise because of her elder sister.

Granny wise teaching to ML is basically telling ML to build trust with her husband but not always depend on him. For her to live a happy life she must not put all her happiness and livelihood on a man. And she should hold her authority in the household... Being the kind of woman who is capable of surviving on her own and finding happiness within herself, in turn if the husband was ever in a bad circumstances she would be able to lend a helping hand to her husband and keep the household strong. Rather then fall along with him. Or if the husband and in-laws mistreats her, she would be able to defend herself on her own.

 

When SH came to lecture ML about showing off she understood well where her father was coming from and didn’t begrudge him. That shows her maturity level. If it were Molan she would be cursing how inconsiderate her father is, since she sooo pissed at her husband and was adamant in showing off how well she is to the Sheng household... She would be crying waah waah father doesn’t love me, father is a bad dad, waah waah and acting like a ungrateful spoiled brat like how she was with her husband throwing tantrum in front of everyone. :joy:

 

When GTY screamed inside the carriage I laughed and wonder if that was an ad lib as well as when ML forgot to put her shoes on in episode 41. Lol 

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Just now, ForgottenSoulx said:
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About this part what do you mean im confused? whose life would be ruined. It is a little weird but still somewhat cute its hard to explain. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, hello210 said:
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If that’s the case, I hope it brings some closure for QH. Because I think that fire is set when ML’s vulnerable after giving birth. I don’t know if QH was there for that part in the novel unless the spoilers just left him out. 

 

sorry for confusion, I edited the comment with QH & ML so it made more sense in response to QH wanting to save ML from the fire comment.

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2 minutes ago, hello210 said:

 

sorry for confusion, I edited the comment with QH & ML so it made more sense in response to QH wanting to save ML from the fire comment.

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Yeah i understood your original comment it wouldn't bother me either way if QH help's her or not. If it was not in the book then its a fine added scene as long as its just that scene and no other drama surround's him doing that.

 

 

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1 minute ago, ForgottenSoulx said:
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About this part what do you mean im confused? whose life would be ruined. It is a little weird but still somewhat cute its hard to explain. 

 

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CB feared that if his granddaughter was not a nice girl, then their marriage might be miserable, thus ruining QH's grandson's life. He had to make sure. After several years observation, he finally agreed.

 

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2 minutes ago, matrim said:
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CB feared that if his granddaughter was not a nice girl, then their marriage might be miserable, thus ruining QH's grandson's life. He had to make sure. After several years observation, he finally agreed.

 

 

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Ah i see that make's sense i wonder if they add that scene will the young ML play this girls actress? 

 

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11 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

Episode 41.

The dynamics between GTY and ML as a married couple had me grinning to the back of my head, I fear my my face would fall off. :D  They are beyond cute and it is refreshing to see ML act a bit spoiled in front of GTY and GTY spoiling his wife. And his laugh when he teases her. 

When ML said that she didn’t mind GTY to have a concubine as long as she is a good person and can live harmoniously, his reaction wasn’t that of disappointment imo. It is the same as when ML told granny that she fears she can’t bare or don’t know how to repay the goodness GTY would give/be for her. I believe GTY holds the same sentiment. 

 

Episode 42.

That auntie Kang looks like a real richard simmons. Too bad for Big Madam that she will meet her demise because of her elder sister.

Granny wise teaching to ML is basically telling ML to build trust with her husband but not always depend on him. For her to live a happy life she must not put all her happiness and livelihood on a man. And she should hold her authority in the household... Being the kind of woman who is capable of surviving on her own and finding happiness within herself, in turn if the husband was ever in a bad circumstances she would be able to lend a helping hand to her husband and keep the household strong. Rather then fall along with him. Or if the husband and in-laws mistreats her, she would be able to defend herself on her own.

 

When SH came to lecture ML about showing off she understood well where her father was coming from and didn’t begrudge him. That shows her maturity level. If it were Molan she would be cursing how inconsiderate her father is, since she sooo pissed at her husband and was adamant in showing off how well she is to the Sheng household... She would be crying waah waah father doesn’t love me, father is a bad dad, waah waah and acting like a ungrateful spoiled brat like how she was with her husband throwing tantrum in front of everyone. :joy:

 

When GTY screamed inside the carriage I laughed and wonder if that was an ad lib as well as when ML forgot to put her shoes on in episode 41. Lol 

Ha ha.. Some of the scene, they did not adhered strictly to the script. Let the conversation and scene flow naturally. Say maybe you are right about the ad lib.. The Director also praise zly that her acting is natural.. Acting that didn't seem like acting. Lines that didn't feel like line but a natural dialogues. 

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Ah i see that make's sense i wonder if they add that scene will the young ML play this girls actress? 

 

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And qh as the grandson.. :glasses:

 

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2 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

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Ah i see that make's sense i wonder if they add that scene will the young ML play this girls actress? 

 

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I doubt the drama will add this part as it's the bittersweet ending of QH and a remembrance for first love. It would feel quite strange. I think the drama will end at the point when GTY disclosed the info to ML that he would be sent to guard Sichuan as it ends in the novel, or a bit further, when they arrived at Sichuan, enjoying the beautiful scenery.

 

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1 minute ago, matrim said:
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I doubt the drama will add this part as it's the bittersweet ending of QH and a remembrance for first love. It would feel quite strange. I think the drama will end at the point when GTY disclosed the info to ML that he would be sent to guard Sichuan as it ends in the novel, or a bit further, when they arrived at Sichuan, enjoying the beautiful scenery.

 

 

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Yeah i want them to end it there with a nice scene of them with their family in a shot.

 

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

QH was saying he wants to save ML to someone, in one of the trailer? He mentioned something along the line of "when I should have explained, I didn't. When I should have ....(I didn't understand), I also didn't. So can't I save her for once?" 

Which trailer is that?

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

I'm with @ForgottenSoulx and @sava2sava on SH. 

I don't necessarily think he's a bad person. He's probably a good official, and a good "ambassador" of Sheng, taking care of the family honor and all. 

But he was never a good father. 

 

When ML's mom passed, he didn't do anything. 

We can put that to no evidence. But clearly he would know that it is at those times ML is most vulnerable and needed her dad the most? He was never there..

 

During the first incident where the girls crashed into the outer courtyard, he chose to punish RL and ML, favouring Molan although ML also spoke and said it was MoLan's fault - favouritism. Unjust. 

 

During both the incident with MoLan's scandal and Rulan's scandal, he had no issues sacrificing ML. 

 

He only commented that ML is a good child because she has never given him trouble, and has helped him avoid MoLan's trouble early on. Molan gotaway pretty easy for hurting ML. 

 

And I'm not sure if that's what ML wanted. You can see there were occasions what she showed disappointment with the dad. 

She even told GTY if only her dad was like him, then perhaps she wouldn't be suffering in silence all these years. 

Had the dad dotes on her, perhaps she didn't need to live as the "flawless" sixth miss of sheng, playing dumb and always in daze. Because if she gets into trouble, the dad would help. But she had to because she knows the dad would not take her side when things go wrong. 

Nice analysis of SH. Judging from the standard at that time, SH was a reasonably good father. Sure, he didn't treat his children equally and fairly, but he provided for them, got them a good education, and made sure they would marry well. In the matter of marriage, he didn't only care about the wealth and status of the families, but the characters of potential son-in-laws and daughter-in-laws. from this one can say he was a responsible father, better than many fathers then.  

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